#star wank

[antianakin]

Honestly, some of the worst Star Wars takes are the ones that end up crossing my dash from people I follow who never post Star Wars at all and so all they know is popular fanon mentality.

Coming to you today from a take saying that the Prequels would've been better if Dooku had been around in TPM to stand up to the Council and be the only one "speaking the truth" among them so that it hurts more when he leaves and becomes a Sith in the next film.

[howdidthisevenhappenanyway]

guys you gotta stop going into the comments of fics where obi-wan isn’t and go on about obi-wan. it’s so. fucking. rude.

there are so many fics with him in them! so many!

this just in. there are other characters in star wars. and some of us like to write about them!

authors have my full permission to use this to reply to comments doing this. not that such nonsense really deserves a reply, but…

[mirrorofliterature]

I genuinely don't understand how anyone can look at the Council Scene in the Phantom Menace and think the Council were in the right

Jedi are supposed to be compassionate, right?

so where is there compassion for a recently freed former slave child, who has been separated from everything he ever knew, including his mum who is still in great danger as a slave, after risking his life for people he just met?

like. the council scene is supposed to show how set in their ways the jedi council has become in the prequel trilogy.

they look at a scared child and reject him for being scared because they judge him by the standards of a child raised in the temple.

it is callous, unempathetic and apathetic.

do you know how tiny and vulnerable nine year olds are?

they rejected a nine year old for factors completely out of his control and shunted him off to a war zone because he didn't have enough trauma already.

this is what I mean when I say the PT Jedi order is flawed

I want the Jedi Order to do better! I wish they had learned from their mistakes and treated Anakin with compassion instead of callousness, but canonically that's what they did.

now, if the 'jedi never did anything wrong' can excuse the council's treatment of a child in phantom menace, they are viewing the movie through a heavily biased lens and are blatantly ignoring blaring red flags

a jedi should be compassionate.

they were inflexible and rigid, adhered to conventions that where nowhere in their actual code.

not one of them asked why anakin was scared, or why he came to coruscant, or why his parents had given him up, or even bothered to learn about the huge sacrifice he made.

anakin is at his best self in PM.

it's a tragedy for a reason.

[sayingyournames]

okay so in the last few days i’ve seen at least a dozen tik toks from various hp fic writers (mostly dramione) who are taking down their work from ao3/tumblr because it’s being bound and sold on etsy without their permission.

and i’ve seen even more videos from the people who read these fics, talking about how they can’t believe people would go so far against someone’s wishes and be so disrespectful.

but then the caption says “I have the pdf, I can send it to you!"

and there are hundreds of comments asking for it.

the lack of self-awareness is insane. y’all are so unwilling to believe that you’re part of the problem.

some of these fics have been online for over 15 years and are well-known and loved by entire communities online, and they’ve been able to stay up for that long without any major issues up until the last few years when people who have no understanding of how this shit works have come out of the woodworks.

idek what to say about it anymore other than i’ve been in fandom longer than some of y’all have been alive and i have never seen anyone act this entitled. never seen anyone have less respect for the people who put this work online for free. it’s exhausting. and it’s an issue in every corner of the hp fandom bc i see it here in marauders every gd damn day.

if a fic writer takes their work down, it’s because they don’t want any more people to read it. it’s bc they don’t trust their community to respect their work. and it’s really fucking sad that this is what it’s come to.

[ankahikoibaat]

I'm always so wary and skeptical when I see people put 'Star Wars fan' 'I love Star Wars' or variations thereof in their bio, or say they like the series (especially if there's something about the Jedi mentioned) because then I'm like -

do you think the Jedi did their best and were obviously the good guys and did not need to "reform" and deserve their genocide in any way or are you wrong? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[chocmarss]

Tales of the Empire has little effect on me, considering the bad way they treated Barriss. And I think we have enough storylines about the Empire, WHERE is my promised tales of the Jedi where I can watch padawan shenanigans and the deep dive into Jedi teachings. Filoni’s view of them is so skewed, he needs to amend this by actually learning about the Jedi and how they work lmao

[lexidius]

dear percy jackson fandom

you can crosstag every post about a character with every unrelated character and ship name under the sun even if it doesn't have a single microscopic trace of that character in the post, but you can't warn for character death mentions, spoilers or whump? really??? or are you still too stuck on lolsorandomXDDD style humour about the fucking brick???

learn to tag your posts correctly. i shouldn't have to blacklist my favourite character's name tag - the actual tag with just their name - purely to avoid seeing jokes about their death.

i've been seeing the fandom do this shit for eight fucking years now.

eight. years. that's way too long.

[antianakin]

You know, if you watched Star Wars and claim to be a fan of it, but your takeaway of it is "this specific small group of people deserves to be murdered down to the last child" then I'm fairly certain the only thing you have ever enjoyed about Star Wars is the pew pew aesthetics of it because the overarching message seems to have completely blown right over your head. I can't imagine watching Star Wars, with its very very obvious symbolism and messages, and then coming onto someone else's post to advocate for the genocide of a minority cultural group. I'd be embarrassed. I'm embarrassed FOR YOU.

[bosooka]

i've become immune to the SW fandom's pathological tendency to mischaracterize the kryze sisters based on their personal agenda through the simple process of closing tumblr and rewatching star wars

[shu-of-the-wind]

i want one thing in this life and it is for star wars writers to treat the sentience of droids consistently

[eelfuneral]

Edit: For the love of God guys, please don’t come onto this post to complain about how badly you want Tech to be dead. This compulsive need to post variations on “he’s dead, and should stay dead” on posts like this is getting really old.

Before I sign off, I just want to state that a big reason for me wanting to limit social media time is the harassment of anyone who puts forth a theory about Tech being alive (as CX-2 or by some other means). People have gotten a great deal more vitriolic since last episode, and this is only a handful of screenshots of people leaving nasty replies on “Tech lives” posts on Twitter. Fandom, do better!

[jebiknights]

I would be a lot more sympathetic to people disliking Anakin if almost every single one of the haters weren't: 1) pro him going to jail or getting some absolutely awful punishment - which is not how the Jedi typically handle internal affairs, 2) him getting thrown out of the order against his will, instead of working with him and his issues - once again not how the Jedi Order typically works, 3) seems to think he doesn't suffer any consequences at all (narratively he's punished for most things he does by way of bodily injuries but that's a different post), 4) ignored the fact he was groomed - like yes he made his own choices but people act like its HIS fault for not being a better Jedi when he canonically was being set up to fail constantly by Palpatine, and 5) they always have a hard on for some other villain that's done shit just as bad, had just as much reason to be a bad guy as Anakin, but for some reason they give the other character grace when they dont give Anakin any.

[catsnkooks]

happy star wars day

a little psa while we're in the spirit and in light of recent events

if you have ever, ever ever, sent anyone hate about anything they've created, you don't belong in the star wars fandom

this applies to:

leaving hate comments on fics

"critiquing" artwork

sending hateful anons about anything (especially ships)

just in general telling people how your version of x character is better and that people should write/draw them exactly that way

i am tired of seeing my favorite creators pushed out of the fandom bc y'all can't enjoy shit and simply back away if you don't like something

grow up. find your niche. don't send hate

[antianakin]

Me: Ahsoka got brought in so late to Anakin's story that she ends up pretty irrelevant to his development because it was already written in its entirety without her inclusion. Anakin's motivations for falling and for coming back can't have anything to do with Ahsoka because they were never about her to begin with. She got shoehorned into Anakin's story without any real consideration for what this might mean for her character in the long term.

Ahsoka fans: HOW DARE YOU SAY FANS CAN'T LIKE AHSOKA

Me: I literally never said that.

Ahsoka fans: AHSOKA IS THE MOST MEANINGFUL CHARACTER IN ALL OF STAR WARS, SHE SAVED MY LIFE WHEN I WAS A CHILD

Me: Okay? Glad she means a lot to you, but that has nothing to do with my analysis of Ahsoka's place within the overall narrative and Anakin's story specifically.

Ahsoka fans: SO YOU JUST DON'T RESPECT ARTISTS AT ALL AND THINK THEY SHOULD ALL DIE EVEN THO THEY ARE BEING SO GENEROUS BY GIVING YOU MORE CONTENT TO CONSUME

Me: I respect artists just fine, but I reserve the right to have an opinion on the art even if it's negative or critical, as well as the right to express that opinion.

Ahsoka fans: I GUESS YOU'RE INCAPABLE OF HAVING A MATURE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS THEN

[qprstobin]

Man it's bad enough the Duffers have clearly forgotten that Dustin and Steve are close/basically brothers, but it's really disheartening that the fanbase also seems to have completely forgotten that literally a season ago Dustin and Steve were best friends.

[jedi-enthusiast]

@confusledqueer apologizes for not responding sooner, it’s been a busy couple days and—honestly—I forgot for a bit.

Moving on-

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Me equating some of the things that anti-Jedi people say to antisemitism and, sometimes, outright Nazi-esque rhetoric is not “wild” or “a stretch,” as you’re implying.

Justification of their genocide, denial that it actually was a genocide, a belief that the genocided party “caused” their own genocide, and a belief that they genocided party were wrong or “led astray” while one person was sent to make things right- (via either making them change their ways or outright destroying them/their culture) -are all things I’ve seen people say about the Jedi…

…but they’re also things that people have actually said about Jews.

Take the example I put in the post of someone denying that the Jedi Purge was actually a genocide, and how���by changing “Jedi” to “Judaism” and “Force-religions” to “Abrahamic Faiths”—it sounds verbatim to Holocaust denial.

Or, as another example, people claiming that the Jedi “kidnapped kids to brainwash them”…don’t you see how that sounds like Blood Libel?

So me pointing out that a lot of stuff anti-Jedi people say sounds like antisemitic rhetoric isn’t a stretch, not when a lot of it sounds verbatim to what people are saying with the rise of antisemitism and stuff they have said in the past.

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Now, I’m not Jewish, but it’s not just me, your neighborhood White Girl™️, who’s pointing this stuff out.

Actual Jewish people have pointed out the alarming similarities between anti-Jedi rhetoric and straight up antisemitism. So, if you wanna argue about- “you shouldn’t compare real world discrimination to fictional stuff” -then you should probably take that into account.

Go ahead and try telling Jewish Star Wars fans to stop calling out antisemitic rhetoric in the fandom, I’m sure that’ll go down real well.

I also find it hilarious that you’re telling me to be careful about the rhetoric I use in a thread about how I shouldn’t point out that some of the rhetoric other people spout is basically antisemitism rebranded.

And my point in that post wasn’t- “since this is based off of a real world culture/religion, you can’t criticize it.”

My point was- “since this is based off of a real world culture/religion then you need to be careful about how you criticize it, otherwise you might unconsciously be spouting bigoted beliefs and antisemitic rhetoric because you don’t recognize that that’s what it is because you’re saying it about a fictional culture.”

By all means, I get that some people just don’t like the Jedi, that’s their prerogative and we all have our own tastes.

Criticize them, if you feel like it, but don’t go around spouting rebranded antisemitism to do it. I’m sure you can come up with plenty of things to complain about them for without doing so.

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Now, I can understand why you might be worried about the slippery slope from this to shit like actual censorship—which, I think we can all agree, is a bad thing. Or how you might think criticizing this could lead to the whole “fandom purity” debate.

My thing is, it all comes down to does it actually harm people?

Perpetuating harmful stereotypes via saying stuff like the Jewish based characters “steal children,” or “lost their way,” or “they caused/deserved their genocide”—that does cause actual harm.

Think about why the “angry black man” stereotype or the “cheating bisexual” stereotype are bad and people- (rightly) -push back against them. It’s the same thing here.

Shipping a problematic ship, calling a fictional serial killer “babygirl,” writing about dark topics*, headcanoning characters as gay or trans…none of that is actively harming people.

(*obviously when writing about dark topics you should tag appropriately so people can avoid triggers, but that’s another topic for another day)

That’s the difference.

And, for the record, I think letting people spout bigotry just because they’re saying it about something fictional is the more dangerous mindset than calling it out.