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skipppppy Ā· 2 months ago
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Same rules as before. Canā€™t say both. No trying to look at things analytically. If you think one is objectively better looking but you want the other more, vote THAT one. Reblog for sample size and explain in the tags. NOW FIGHT
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luffyvace Ā· 10 months ago
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Tanjiro x male reader<3
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Tanjiro x male reader won second place in the poll!! :) enjoy tanjiro stans<3
Starting back at the final selection letā€™s say thatā€™s when you met
just to clear things up
and you two started dating some time after that
of course eventually making it official
tanjiro was quite flustered when he realized his sexuality might be different from tradition
but he wasnā€™t afraid to be bi/gay/pan or anything
he just thought- ..! Actually he never really thought of that type of thing..
I mean he was kinda too young
but now that your together!
he has time to figure it all out :)
tanjiro is such a sweet lover!
and helpful!
and caring!
(Really heā€™s a ball of love)
if you feel tired he carries you
(Even if your both beat up after a mission)
if you need water heā€™ll spare you some of his or go fetch some
And heā€™s always down to spar at any type of day!
I will say heā€™s not thinking about you in that way when you take your shirt off
but when you do he definitely admires you!
you might have abs seeing as though the demon slayer corps hasā€¦ā€¦ā€¦...harsh (brutal) training šŸ˜…
if you do then he sees it as a result of your hard work!
same with scars!
especially with scars<3
he can 100% relate and you two share stories about each one
if you have anyā€”you probably trauma bond
you guys just end up talking all night long about your past, everything that happened, your pain, whether you want revenge or not and so on!
It strengthens your trust and relationship with each other
btw if anyone asks why your together as two males or how you know you actually like men..
tanjiro will humbly and politely educate (lecture) them on how important you are to each other, how you met, why/when you started dating and even if they donā€™t like it, itā€™s simple to walk away instead of disrespecting your relationship!
I hope yā€™all donā€™t run into uzui..
(yā€™all do)
that man has THREE wives why wouldnā€™t he question when he sees you two?? šŸ˜¬šŸ§ā€ā™€ļø
tanjiro had to hit em with the quick fix cuz when I tell you he did not let that slide šŸ˜‚
especially with how slick uzui mouth be gettin..šŸ˜’
Tanjiro also has learned to adjust to scavenging for food (he grew crops with his mom)
as well as inosuke (he grew up in the wild) and zenitsu (he used to have crops with his sensei)
so if you can too, great!
if not the 3 of them work together to make the 4 of you meals
and after they learn how to stop burning them
theyre pretty tasty too!!
donā€™t expect inosuke to share.
do expect inosuke to take
-note to self, m/n.
zenitsu doesnā€™t see the attraction to males instead of females
he wonā€™t judge but will ask you two if your sure your into males
and after tanjiro gives him that lecture about being respectful-
he doesnā€™t question it again
LOL
inosuke straight up donā€™t care
he doesnā€™t really view relationships in a romantic way
its more so between ā€œtheyā€™re beneath meā€ , ā€œtheyā€™re above me, I must beat themā€
so no worries about him judging either šŸ˜‹
if nezuko doesnā€™t like you
itā€™s not to say tanjiro wonā€™t date you because of it
but Iā€™ll honestly say it plays a factor
If sweet nezuko doesnā€™t like you it prob means something..šŸ¤Ø
she has good instincts so tanjiro might start to assume you have ill intent or smth šŸ˜¬
heā€™ll try to get her to like you and if she warms up to you he assumes it mightā€™ve been personal šŸ˜‚šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø
but if she doesnā€™t..
he finds you like 30% less attractivešŸ§ā€ā™€ļø
if she does like you from jump, she starts to protect you as well
and loves to spend time with you when sheā€™s outside her box
tanjiro adores this and you three cuddle or play in each otherā€™s hair whenever you have the time
It also makes him happy if you accept nezuko as a demon quickly
after missions tanjiro finds you, nezuko, zenitsu and inosuke
then cries
like your all just a crying mess tbh
i mean unless your like emotionally unavailable..
BC I DONā€™T SEE HOW YOU COULD NOT CRY AS A MINOR WHO HAS TO KILL LITERAL HORRIFYING BEASTS FOR A LIVING?!?!?!?
Tanjiro will help you achieve your goals as you likely help him achieve his
even more so after that night you had where you opened up to each other about your past
(again, only if you have truama)
tanjiro is really grateful for you
before all he had was nezuko
and aside from zenitsu and inosuke
now he has you!! šŸ’—
tanjiroā€™s love languages are acts of service, quality time, words of affirmation and (shy) physical touch
actually maybe some gift giving when he can too!!
so all?!
such a green flag šŸ’–
for acts of service as I said heā€™ll genuinely do any sane thing you ask of him
he cares about you that much
he wonā€™t bother to complain about being tired either
he automatically assumes your either doing worse or heā€™s fine
as for quality time he gets really relieved when he gets sent on missions with you
at least he can be there to see and protect you
(or maybe vice versa šŸ˜‚)
heā€™d beat himself up about not being able to protect you more if you get serious injures
tends to your wounds everyday then trains vigorously
to get stronger and protect you as you fight along side him when he fights muzan
if your gonna fight along side him in that battle? Heā€™s gonna need to be strong enough to protect you.
he doesnā€™t want to loose you.
especially not to that man.
he lost everything to him.
he wonā€™t let it happen again.
šŸ’—šŸ’•šŸ’–šŸ”ā™„ļøŽ
for quality time outside of missions āœŒļøŽ('Ļ‰')āœŒļøŽ
tanjiro likes to train, cuddle, go on walks, go shopping, chit chat :)
All that good stuff <3
with words of affirmation he really just praises you all the time
ā€you did your best today in training! I could tell! :Dā€
ā€œYou look great today m/n!! Iā€™m glad your wearing the (favorite menā€™s jewelry piece) I got you!ā€
ā€I can definitely tell your getting stronger, m/n!!!ā€
c:
it can also be
ā€œget a good nights sleep, m/n! I love you!ā€
ā€be careful on your mission okay? I love you, m/n!ā€
ā€œthank goodness we surviveeeeed!!! I love you m/n!! I love you so much!!ā€
now lastly for (shy) physical touch
he is nervous to touch you
he doesnā€™t wanna make you uncomfortable, yes thatā€™s the last thing he wants
he doesnā€™t know how to execute it so he ends up either asking or making it very obvious of what heā€™s trying to do
that way you can shut him down early on just in case
and you wonā€™t feel pressured to let him if you dislike affection
which mind you he does asks if your okay with it first
so thatā€™s likely not the case
if you did mention your distaste for physical affection, however, itā€™s duly noted in his mind and will keep it to a minimum
your gonna have to discuss boundaries or else heā€™s gonna act like you have the plague trying not to upset you šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļøšŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø
Tanjiro doesnā€™t dislike pda or anything
heā€™s just a bit embarrassed about it
maybe if itā€™s more subtle like resting your head on his shoulder, then yeah thatā€™s okay!
hugging too!!
but direct kissing or hand holding?
his face is a cherry and heā€™s apologizing to the passerbyers for disturbing them
even if they donā€™t mind
heā€™s self aware when it comes to not disturbing others
tanjiro can be a little flustered/shy about things but heā€™s certainly isnā€™t embarrassed about your relationship!
heā€™s quite proud, actually!
will happily tell/correct anyone that asks or misjudgesā™”ā™”ā™”
Itā€™ll make me happy if you enjoyed this, so hopes to you did!
(apologies for the procrastination, and thank you for your patience lovelies!)
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joyswonderland1108 Ā· 1 year ago
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This is for so-called OT7 Army
A gentle reminder that if you preach about being OT7 but refuse to vote for or support a member simply because of their solos, then kindly remove that lil 7 you dickhead.
Your hatred to solos should not be the decision maker for you because at the end of the day it is hurting the artist that you apparently love too.
You are free to root for whoever you want simply because they are your bias, you prefer them, you love them more, but using a lame ass excuse such as "I can't give akgaes the satisfaction of their fav reaching the top so i'll stay stubborn and support my fav or anyone that isn't their fav really"
Now please tell me how are those cunts who think like this even considered OT7?
Did i know beforehand that the same energy won't be returned if Jimin was to move to second place? YES VERY. I did mention it in a comment that if Jimin was to ever be in second place they would say "A lot of people didn't like the previous decision therefore vote for whoever you want". Also, If Jimin or JK were already in second place to begin with, tweets asking to focus on either one of them from supposed OT7 accounts wouldn't even exist.
When i tell you that my boys only have their solos and their OT7 stans to back them up and stand up for them, i'm not even joking.
I did see some other members stans who spoke up about this whole bullshit too so i would really like to thank them for reasoning with logic.
Some people wanted to get smart and qt or comment with SS from polls where "Army" voted the most for the option where they should just vote for the member who is leading in a category, but let me tell you why this is stupid.
First of all, you are dealing with a toxic ass fandom this should've already been the first red flag.
Second of all, this is just Twitter we are talking about, just a stan account(s), not some official page, not some official announcement that made it to the news. Many people don't follow everyone, many people are not as active on Twitter as other people, many people were just not on Twitter for some days, many people aren't even on Twitter, many people simply didn't vote.
Third of all, how do you even know if the votes are legit or not? Just because you seem like a nice person online how would i know if you didn't encourage your friends to vote for a certain category? How do i know if some people don't have 10 Twitter accounts they vote from for the same category.
Which leads me to the conclusion that making a decision based off of a fuckass poll in a social media platform is the most unreliable, most drama started shit ever. This is a HUGE fandom, but i'll take the numbers i used as an example with my friends: Let's take a group of 100 000 people, you made a poll for them, only 1000 of them got to vote on that poll before the timer comes to an end and the result of that poll is out. Tell me how on earth is 1000 people voting a reliable way to make a decision for the other 99 000 people?
Seriously, i hate how after all that these accounts start a victim fest the whole "I'm trying my best" and all the cries. Trying your best and avoiding tricky situations are two different things. Starting something knowing damn well whatever the result of it is will create drama later is absolutely unwise, don't just dive into doing something that you can't manage, if you can't manage a fandom with millions of people in it then please stop jumping on shit thinking you're doing a favor for everyone, you're just creating even more division and getting members even more hate.
For fuck's sake is it that hard for people to sit down and think carefully about shit before starting fires? Literally a whole useless ass drama when they could've just shut the fuck up.
Don't even tell me to vote for Jimin or for JK if they were the ones leading if you are NOT a Jimin or JK focused account because then even if one or the other is leading, saying it like that is still unfair to other members, unfair to other member's stans, unfair to people who never even agreed to a stupid poll or those who never even knew it existed.
Again. we are not blind, we see how shit unfolds and we (when i see we i don't mean solos) adapt to the situation, you don't need to fucking mention it, just stop creating chaos, stop creating division. We need a fandom cleanse, not more drama and more wars ffs.
Salutation.
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euroquision Ā· 6 months ago
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"The Fairest of Them All" A EuroQuision Article
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Hello everyone! I hope you're ready for the first official EuroQuision article release! This one is a mathematical doozy, but trust me when I say this is worth the read. If you wanna download a PDF of the article, you can do so here!
And if you don't feel like downloading the whole thing, I'll be copying the entire article into this post after the section break so you can read it here! Thanks so much to the Patrons and other supporters that make this work possible!
The Fairest of Them All
By Beatrice Quinn
Quickly: what is the most overrated song of Eurovision 2024?
ā€¦got an answer? Ok, now: Prove it.
Today weā€™re talking about one of the most ambiguous, aimless, misunderstood metrics we use to say whether a song is overrated or not, and that is: Ratings. Literally! Now, weā€™re familiar with ā€œrankingā€ Eurovision songs ā€“ dragging and re-dragging ā€œHaloā€ up and down your 2022 scoreboard depending on whether or not you think Pia Maria is a real person or not ā€“ and other such activities! Ranking is crucial and emblematic to the existence of Eurovision and its fans, it hardly needs to be said. Developing babies watch the dancing fruits of Cocomelon, we watch a series of rectangles and numbers combine to shift and jump around aimlessly until they eventually settle in place. And once theyā€™ve settled in place, forever to remain unmoving from those results, fans all across the world will continue to exist in a frenzy about how they should have landed instead.
But whatā€™s the difference between ranking and rating? And by extension, why are the phrases ā€œoverratedā€ and ā€œunderratedā€ thrown around so frequently? Well, ranking songs is an action that always exists in and around the context of all competing songs that year. Thatā€™s why when the first Eurovision song of the season rolls around ā€“ usually courtesy of our lovely Albanians ā€“ itā€™s ridiculous and repeatedly unfunny to see YouTubers upload their ā€œEurovision 2021: Top 1 Rankingā€ videos. Rating a song is something you can do whether youā€™re talking about one song, or 42 songs. You donā€™t have to judge the songs ranked against each other. You can judge it based on its own merits or whatever frame of reference you have. Iā€™m not here to write an article trying to tell people how they can or canā€™t rate songs ā€“ I would only ever tell that to the WiwiJury. And I would tell them politely, yet firmly, to stop.
No, Iā€™m writing all this to do one thing: To give you a quick math lesson! And by quick, I really mean it, I promise. I swear Iā€™m not a nerd! Well, thatā€™s a lie. Iā€™m a huge nerd. But Iā€™m not a math nerd. It would be more accurate to say Iā€™m a numbers nerd ā€“ specifically, Eurovision numbers. Thatā€™s the kind of numbers we like! Weā€™ve seen our share of Twitter polls, asking us to choose between anything from Biggest National Final Robberies to ā€œdo you think Joker Out read the fanfic?ā€ We just love stats and percentages! So Iā€™m here to put those to the test in the most straight-forward, least-opinionated way possible. And let me be so clear about this: This article is not going to try and definitely prove anyoneā€™s personal tastes right or wrong. This is about the mathematical results of how we rate Eurovision songs and whether or not this provides any accuracy.
Before we get into all the numbers: Letā€™s say youā€™re an Albania stan ā€“ a type of stan Iā€™m familiar with, fond of, and am deeply frightened by ā€“ and you go to EurovisionWorld.com to excitedly check the results of the star ratings left by online visitors from every end of the earth, all coming to rate a song youā€™re excited to rate and enjoy yourself. You get there and you see: 2 stars ā€“ 2,815 ratings. Your heart sinks. ā€œOnly two stars? Is this actually a bad song? Do people hate the song? Am I dumb for liking it?ā€ These are all things weā€™ve all felt about certain songs we hold dear to our heart, but it really doesnā€™t make sense, right? Why should a number generated by the preferences of 2,815 people sway your feelings towards a song you like? Then, as the season goes on, more songs pop up and get rated as well. As your Albanian gem middles out around 2.3 stars after 5,000 or so people decided to rate it, you see a grinning Dutch lad beating out the majority of the competition in terms of stars. ā€œWait, that just has so many views and over ten thousand more ratings than Albania has, what gives?ā€ Then: the accusations start. ā€œJoost is overrated!!ā€ ā€œBaby Lasagnaā€™s hype wonā€™t last forever.ā€ ā€œVidbir said theyā€™ll announce the results after six business days, not counting shipping and handling, but when they do, theyā€™re gonna be so overrated.ā€ And on the flip side: ā€œEveryone is sleeping on Dons.ā€ ā€œHera shock Q in May.ā€ Various statements that however passionate are sadly not actually provable ā€“ at least, not in the moment.
It goes without saying that a Eurovision songā€™s rating out of 5 stars on EurovisionWorld does not, in any way, affect the results and winners of Eurovision. Instead, these ratings exist as a rare form of communal discussion. While the subjectivity of musical taste varies, we all get to share our opinions. And this process is what leaves us with two sides of the same undefinable coin: Over or Under Rated.Ā 
We all have experiences with people or conversations where a fun song may be chastised for being overrated, or overly praised for being underrated. The attitude for or against a song doesnā€™t always exist like this ā€“ you can love an overrated song and hate an underrated one, I donā€™t care. But the point here is: these terms are something we relate to being an idea or descriptor, rather than something that can be mathematically determined. In fact, by treating the Eurovision ā€œratingā€ system in its current state as purely a matter of statistics, we can then use that information to reference other claims against it. Itā€™s quite scientific, if I do say so myself. Now, are both my college degrees in film, music, and writing? Yes. Did I ever get anything higher than a B in any math class Iā€™ve ever taken? No. But allowĀ  me to explain!
If someone were to say ā€œSweden is overrated,ā€ what if there were a way to actually find out if thatā€™s accurate or not? And once you find that out with some quick math, you can use that as evidence as to why or why not Sweden is overrated. My hope is that once we find out whether a song is mathematically overrated or underrated, we can then discuss possible reasons why or why not. Of course, this kind of question is going to be answered by collecting a LOT of numbers and doing a LOT of organization. Luckily I know someone who personally is sick enough in the head to sit down and pour through all the numbers, make the spreadsheets, make the graph, explain the equation, and write the article about it.
ā€¦itā€™s me. I think the ā€œwrite the articleā€ part was a giveaway, but here we are! So enough fluff, letā€™s get rating!
CHAPTER 1: The EuroQuision Equation!
Say that five times fast. And if you choose not to say that five times fast: I respect your decision, but I am disappointed in you.
So, weā€™re working with numbers. That means I am now tasked with figuring out the best way to observe the information Iā€™m given, find out how it all balances out, and how do we compare all of that together? For context, there are two key components to finding out how over or underrated a Eurovision song is. As youā€™ll see while scrolling down the songs of any Eurovision year, youā€™ll see the stars beside them which are a result of ratings given by any IP address that rates the song. So not only do you get to see a songā€™s star rating, you can also see how many people contributed to that average rating. For anyone who doesnā€™t know, averages are a mathematical result of adding up the values of a set of inputs, then dividing that total by the amount of inputs. Itā€™s hard to explain averages in a proper sentence, so hereā€™s an example. If you are given the numbers 4, 8, and 3, you would first add up the numbers. 4+8+3 equals 15. Then, you take the sum (15) and divide it by how many numbers you added together. You added 3 numbers, so you divide (15 / 3) and find the average of 4, 8, and 3 is 5.
This is how those star ratings show up the way they do. If a song is rated by 10,000 people, you would add up the total stars given by each person, then divide that by 10,000. However, thereā€™s another statistic we can find out by collecting all of this information. Like I said before in the Albania example, there are songs that only get 10,000 ratings by April, and others have hit over 40,000. You would think itā€™s as simple as saying ā€œThe songs with the most ratings are overrated, case closed.ā€ But Iā€™m here to say: not quite! If you were to rank the songs by most to least amount of ratings, thatā€™s one result to find, sure. But Iā€™m choosing to ask: whatā€™s the average amount of ratings themselves? Itā€™s something we can actually find out, since we have all the information!
Needing only the numbers provided by EurovisionWorld.com, we can find out what the average number of ratings is, and what the average number of stars is. We canā€™t really say who is over or underrated until we have an idea of how many people have contributed to these ratings. After finding these averages, the next step would be to compare and contrast how close or far each country deviates from those averages. Letā€™s say, if I were to add up all the star scores and find their average, I get an average of 3 stars. Therefore, any song that scores fewer stars than that is under average, and those scoring higher are above average. The same goes for ratings. After adding up EVERY number of ratings from each country and dividing by 37, weā€™ll know the average number of times a Eurovision 2024 song is rated. This will matter greatly in comparison to other years because the global attention to Eurovision grows every year. A year like 2014 is going to have a significantly lower average number of ratings simply because not as many people rated the songs in comparison to 2024. Sounds easy enough, right?
Ok, even if itā€™s not ā€œeasyā€ to understand now, it will be very soon! To help guide us into the numbers of it all, I made some visual aids! Letā€™s stop talking about the numbers and actually start crunching them!
CHAPTER 2: Playing With Numbers
Before we find out if any country is over or underrated, we gotta find our global averages first! Letā€™s look at the stars first. As you know, a song can achieve anywhere from 1 to 5 stars on EurovisionWorld.com ā€“ a very standard format! While we the voters/raters can only select a whole number of stars (one star, four stars, etc.), the website takes all those scores and calculates the average for us and displays that as a more accurate number often with a decimal point. Another important note is that I know this information doesnā€™t exist in stasis: songs can continue to be rated long after the contest is over. So for accuracyā€™s sake, I gathered ALL numerical information for this essay on one day: April 25th! This is to account for a few factors. Like I said, the amount of ratings grows over time and has a recency bias, so I didnā€™t want to get the ratings in late March. I also didnā€™t want to wait after the contest, just in case any results of the contest cause a shift in mass ratings from the rest of the world. I chose April 25th to write down every songā€™s current amount of ratings and current star score so that it reflected nothing but expectation and audience reaction, and without any influence from rehearsals or live shows.
Now, a songā€™s release day does play a part in how many ratings and stars it getsā€¦most times. Weā€™ll discuss that in the analysis chapter AFTER we go over all the numbers. So, this is all you need to know right now: I collected these numbers on April 25th, 2024. Additionally, thereā€™s something else I did for making the math easier and more score-like, which is that I convert a songā€™s total amount of ratings into a whole number with one decimal point so that Iā€™m operating with two factors closer to each other in size. For example, if a song has 18,311 ratings, Iā€™m converting that to 18.3 so that Iā€™m working with a star score of, for example, 3.6 and a rating total of 18.3, which are easier to put into the equation and find a Deviation Score that is represented by a small, whole number. The last important detail is that there WILL be more visual aids, and if any of this is still confusing by the end, let me know and Iā€™ll figure out how to make this easier for everyone!
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Lastly, you might wonder why Iā€™m looking at both stars and ratings in this big equation. If this is about who is or isnā€™t fairly rated, why do the star scores matter? Well, Iā€™m factoring both ratings and stars in a songā€™s Deviation Score because these numbers donā€™t exist separately from each other. A song only gets a star score after thousands of people leave their opinions, and people share those opinions in this medium by clicking somewhere between one and five stars. Therefore, it isnā€™t fair to say a song is ā€œoverratedā€ simply because more people have rated that song compared to others. Spam rating exists (as EurovisionWorld has learned the hard way), and there are songs every year that are perceivably more ā€œpopularā€ based on things like YouTube video views or Spotify streams. Those things donā€™t factor into this because simply watching the video or streaming the song isnā€™t the same thing as ā€œratingā€ it. Spotify only has stream counts, and YouTube has a like or dislike button. EurovisionWorld has a conventional 5-star rating system that is determined by people from all around the world and is mathematically calculated. So by giving a song a Deviation Score thatā€™s based on how close/far from average a song is in stars and ratings, weā€™re acknowledging all the factors that go into this question.
Now onto the numbers! Do you wanna take a guess as to how many ratings were left on EurovisionWorld.com from the start of the season through Apr. 25th? There was a staggering total of 689,968 ratings across 37 songs! Over half a million ratings is a lot of opinions, right? And still thatā€™s barely a fraction of the total people who watch the show itself. Regardless, thatā€™s the information we have to work with! So, if thereā€™s a total of 689,986 ratings given out to 37 different songs, that means our avg. # of ratings is: 689,968 / 37 = 18,647.7838. Obviously, 18,647.7838 is an awfully long, complicated number to use. Therefore, Iā€™m simplifying it to just 18.6 (approx. 18,600 ratings). So, 18.6 is our avg. # of ratings. As for avg. # of stars, there is a grand total of 130.1 stars totalled up between all the songs. This is a really good number, when you consider the math. For example, if every song of 2024 only got on average one (1) star, then weā€™d have a total of just 37 stars. So with this info, it means our avg. # of stars is: 130.1 / 37 = 3.51621622ā€¦ā€¦ and many more numbers after that. Therefore, Iā€™ll state our avg. # of stars is 3.5. Once again, this is a good number! On a scale of only one to five stars, the average of that would just be 2.5 stars, right in the middle. That means the public thinks that overall, Eurovision 2024 is a bit above an average level of quality. And I would agree! Anyway, just to sum up all the numbers we just found out, Iā€™ll list them here:
Total amount of ratings from all songs: 689,968
Avg. amount of ratings per song: 18.6 (simplified from 18,647)
Total amount of stars from all songs: 130.1
Avg. amount of stars per song: 3.5 (simplified from 3.5162ā€¦)
For me, the easy part is over and the hard part begins. Now is when we begin to document every songā€™s amount of ratings, their star scores, and running the math to see how far above or below the averages they are. For the super hot and cool nerds that like excel sheets, Iā€™ll link the viewable sheet of all the info at the end of the article! For the sake of this article, Iā€™m going to choose a couple key examples, and those are: Sweden, the Netherlands, Iceland, andā€¦sadly, ā€œIsrael.ā€
CHAPTER 3: Do We Have a Valid Result?
Letā€™s actually see this equation in action and find out what we can learn from all of this. The reason weā€™re going to be looking at these select countries is that each of them exists at a very specific point on the spectrum of overrated or underrated. Weā€™ll begin with the country that receives arguably the most ā€œoverratedā€ accusations thrown at them in a given Eurovision season, and that is: Sweden! Did you find the twinsā€™ song unforgettable? Regardless, letā€™s run their numbers through our equation and figure out just how ā€œratedā€ they are.
As you remember from our graphic, the equation we use is shown as (a - x) + (b - y) = z. Letā€™s take a look at Swedenā€™s stats, which are documented altogether in the same list as all 37 songs. ā€œaā€ is Swedenā€™s star score. Sweden, as of April 25th, has a score of 3.4 stars. ā€œxā€ is the total average of stars across all songs, which is 3.5. (3.4 - 3.5) = -0.1. This -0.1 means that Sweden is just ever so slightly below the average score, which is something I would agree with (but that partā€™s just my opinion). The second half of our equation is about ratings. Sweden was rated on EurovisionWorld a total of 18,259 times. We simplify that big number just to 18.2, and we subtract the average number of ratings from that number. (18.2 - 18.6) = -0.4. Now, we can also observe that in its total number of ratings, Sweden is actually still below average, even though not by a whole lot. Now that we have -0.1 and -0.4 reflecting Swedenā€™s relationship to the global average of stars and ratings respectively, we combine those! (-0.1) + (-0.4) = -0.5. There you go! Sweden got a score of, overall, slightly underrated. Shocking, right? Thatā€™s right, in numbers and stats alone, Sweden is very close to the global averages. However, the claim that theyā€™re ā€œunderratedā€ isnā€™t as true as it sounds once we look at another country through this equation.
Next, letā€™s take a look at a country that was 1st in the oddsā€¦only to fall from those heights down to a last place finish in their semi-final. Icelandā€™s song ā€œScared of Heightsā€ is an interesting case. I wonā€™t try and pretend that these ratings exist separately from a songā€™s public perception ā€“ or at times, their public drama. So donā€™t worry, weā€™ll address that and much more after we do more fun math activities. Not many people were running around saying ā€œHusavik 2025!ā€ when this got selected, but how was it rated? Iceland has the literal lowest star score out of all 37 songs this year, sitting at 2 whole stars. Since we know the global average is 3.5, that means Iceland is -1.5 stars from the average. However, this is where we can see the ways ratings and stars can differ. When it comes to stars, a song scores anywhere from 1 to 5; itā€™s not a very wide range. But for ratings, Iceland only has 10,951 ratings (shown as 10.9). Even compared to Sweden, thatā€™s eight thousand fewer ratings, meaning: people either chose not to go out of their way to leave a rating, or it's just not as popular. From the average of 18.6, Icelandā€™s 10.9 ratings is a whole -7.7 away from the average. Letā€™s combine those two differences: (-1.5) + (-7.7) = -9.2. In comparison to Sweden, Iceland is actually ā€œunderratedā€ when we look at the numbers. That final score of -9.2 is a culmination of the song not only getting a lower score, but it comes from fewer people deciding to rate it. Would ā€œScared of Heightsā€ be closer to the average amount of stars if more people had chosen to give it a rating? Or would more ratings just reflect the same sad score of 2 stars? This is something to consider when we have more context about who/which countries have more ratings than our first two examples.
They may have been disqualified for total BS reasons, but theyā€™ll never be disqualified from my heart! The Netherlandsā€™ ā€œEuropapaā€ is a song that has a lot to give it a leg up over a country like Iceland when it comes to public perception: Joost Klein is a moreĀ  ā€œestablishedā€ artist in comparison to most Eurovision competition. ā€œEuropapaā€ contains satirical-yet-universal lyrics that touch on personal and international topics at the same time, and the whole thing is a lot of good fun, even with a touching ending. However, this can all add up to what no sounds like a very reasonable claim of ā€œoverratedā€-ness. Do the numbers reflect that? Unsurprisingly: yes, yes they do. The Netherlands has a star score of 4.1, which is the average score from a total of 35,557 ratings. Again, we see how the number of ratings can vary much wider than just star scores on their own ā€“ I can only imagine how it feels to see someone elseā€™s song get 20,000 more ratings than yours. Letā€™s run the equation!. (4.1 - 3.5) + (35.5 - 18.6) => (0.6) + (16.9) = 17.5. As you can see, now that we move to the opposite end of the spectrum, the difference in influence is more observable. That score of 17.5 now properly reflects how a star score of 4.1 comes from a severe increase in number of ratings, and Joostā€™s popularity can very well be a factor in that, all regardless if the song is ā€œgoodā€ or ā€œbad.ā€. Like I promised, weā€™ll talk about the implications and conclusions these numbers can represent in a moment. We have one more ā€œcountryā€ to look at.
ā€œIsrael,ā€ as Iā€™m sure you need no reminding, is the reason all of Eurovision 2024 was a complex, un-fun, total mess of a season. All the reasons supporting this can fill up their own article, so weā€™re going to be focusing on how 2024ā€™s hottest potato fares in terms of stars and ratings. ā€œIsraelā€ and their song ā€œOctoā€“ā€ sorry, ā€œHurricaneā€ has the same star score as the Netherlands, which is 4.1 stars out of 5. However, ā€œHurricaneā€ has almost ten thousand more ratings than ā€œEuropapa,ā€ at 45,255 ratings. (4.1 - 3.5) + (45.2 - 18.6) => (0.6) + (26.6) = 27.2. Just for another moment, letā€™s disregard the implications of this number and just compare it to the 3 other examples weā€™ve done. At one end of the spectrum, Iceland is underrated with a Deviation Score of -9.2, and Sweden has a Dev. Score of -0.5. As a reminder, if a country is completely and perfectly ā€œaverage,ā€ they would receive a score of 0; as in, itā€™s not overrated nor is it underrated. However, the score for songs being underrated are a lot less severe than the others. The Netherlandsā€™ Dev. Score of 17.5 and ā€œIsraelā€™sā€ 27.2 are up in the double digits, but why?
Well, the first explanation is very easily observable: ā€œIsrael,ā€ the Netherlands, and several other countries are simply rated more than other countries are. Therefore, this is evidence to support the claim that more people overrate songs than people who underrate other songs. For context, the country with the lowest number of ratings is Albania, with only 9,094 ratings and a star score of 3.1 stars. The country with the highest number of ratings is actually Croatia, with 47,315 ratings as of April 25th and has the highest ā€œoverratedā€ Dev. Score with 29.5. And now that we have our equation and can actually tell who is statistically over or underrated, letā€™s actually ask what that ā€œmeans.ā€
CHAPTER 4: Take (It) Away
At ten pages (and two visual aids) in, we finally have some concrete numbers to look at and discuss, leading with the question: What are we meant to take away? If being over/underrated is now mathematically observable, what does it all mean? To answer that question, we need to look at the entirety of our data table and apply real-world context to the numbers weā€™re looking at. As I mentioned near the beginning of this article, this is not about simple labels. Letā€™s start with the observation I made right before this chapter, ā€œMore people are more likely to overrate songs than people are to underrate them.ā€ This is visible in multiple ways. First, as we discovered when we found the global average of each songā€™s star score, we got a score of 3.5/5 ā€“ above average! But itā€™s not just about the stars; thereā€™s another noticeable trend between the highest star-scoring songs and how many people have rated them. Ten songs from 2024 have a star score of 4 stars or higher ā€“ Croatia, Greece, and Serbia were all tied at 4.3 stars. Between all ten songs, they have a total of 292,504 ratings. Now at the other end of the star spectrum, how do the lowest scorers look?
Well, no song this year got less than 2 stars, now matter how much I dislike ā€œScared of Heights.ā€ However, there are eight songs that scored below 3 stars, in comparison to the ten higher scoring songs. Fun fact: Finlandā€™s ā€œNo Rules!ā€ is the lowest-ranking song that qualified for the final (as of April 25th), whereas the highest ranked NQ was Belgium. Anyway, between those eight songs underneath 3 stars, thereā€™s only 129,063 ratings, which is approx. 170 thousand fewer ratings. The numbers donā€™t lie: if anyone ever claims ā€œEurofans just like to hate things,ā€ statistically thatā€™s wrong! Itā€™s not impossible, either. On that note, though, one would be allowed to ask ā€œBut doesnā€™t that mean there are songs that are overrated?ā€ And if youā€™re talking about the literal, specific definition of songs having a greater number of ratings than others, then yes youā€™re right. But I have a feeling that most people say the word ā€œoverratedā€ more emotionally than logically. Remember how I introduced Sweden as one of the most frequently overrated countries? My guess is that you didnā€™t disagree with that claim. And Iā€™m not just guessing: Iā€™ve seen every upset Kaarija stan, Mans-hater, and person with ears that dislikes ā€œIf I Were Sorry.ā€ Swedenā€™s no stranger to the overrated accusation, but we just saw how this year thatā€™s statistically untrue. The most perfectly middle-rated song this year is Luxembourgā€™s ā€œFighterā€ with a Deviation Score of -0.4. Sweden, Slovenia, Austria, and Czechia round out the Top 5 Most-Midrated Songs of 2024. And like the title of this article says, these five songs are by all definition ā€œthe fairestā€ of them all. Czechia is actually closest to the average number of ratings (that 18.6 weā€™ve been using in the equation) with 18,614 ratings. But hey, I like to indulge my own curiosity, so I wondered if these numbers are connected at all to who did or didnā€™t qualify. In Eurovision 2024, 11 songs did not qualify to the Grand Final. So, letā€™s look at the 11 most statistically-underrated songs!
They are from lowest to highest (of the low): Albania, Iceland, Azerbaijan, Moldova, Australia, San Marino, Armenia, Portugal, Malta, Latvia, and Cyprus. Now, Denmark and Poland arenā€™t that much higher than these 11, but they managed to not be in the bottom 11. And of these lowest 11 Dev. Scores, 7 ended up being NQā€™s. In fact, itā€™s more understandable why the few Qā€™s of the bottom 11 are here. Armenia was the last-revealed song of 2024, and Portugal had the very last National Final of the season. They didnā€™t have as much time between their selection and April 25th when I collected the numbers like other songs had. And yet, Albania was one of the earliest selections and sits at the very bottom of the list ā€“ time may not heal all wounds.Ā 
Cyprus and Latvia are the other two songs from the Bottom 11 of the Underratedā€™s that qualified, and I genuinely think this is where the legitimate factor of chance plays a part. Cyprus came 6th in its semi, so we can state that the live performance and competition of the semi elevated Cyprus to a better position in the televotersā€™ preference, despite the odds! Latvia could be a similar case, as it finished 7th in the second semi-final. Then come Saturday, the two songs ended up right next to each other on the scoreboard with Cyprus at 15th and Latvia at 16th. As we keep moving up the list of Deviation Scores, we can spot the four songs that did qualify in the eyes of the raters, but not in the show itself. Denmark is just above Cyprus, and two more spots up is Poland. Four more spots up is Czechia among the most midrated songs of the year, so they were a true ā€œCould go either wayā€ case. Then in the biggest jump to our final non-qualifier, Belgium is 11 spots higher than Czechia and sits at being the 9th Most Overrated of 2024. Here and now, we have finally arrived at the fabled: Shock NQ. Now, a non-qualifier being a ā€œshockā€ is up to your own opinion. If youā€™re me, youā€™re sitting here writing this article knowing damn well you knew Belgiumā€™s Q-streak was over before Mustii hit the stage. This is the honest truth, and only Silia Kapsis has the right to try and say otherwise. But it also can be said that itā€™s not about asking ā€œWho was the Shock NQ?ā€ and more about asking ā€œWho had the most attention before they NQā€™d?ā€ And the answer would be Belgium! Anyway, at this point Iā€™m starting to think to myself ā€œHuh, can using this over/underrated equation be a method to possibly predict a countryā€™s qualification?ā€
ā€¦and then I remembered: Qualifiers are chosen entirely by televote. Therefore, if the Deviation Scores can predict the qualifiers with about 64% accuracy, can it predict the televoting Top Ten?...Letā€™s find out!
When looking at the Top Ten Most Overrated Songs of 2024, we have:
1st. Croatia
2nd. Israel
3rd. Netherlands
4th. Switzerland
5th. Italy
6th. France
7th. Ukraine
8th. Greece
9th. Belgium
10th. Ireland
(11th: Lithuania)
And for comparison, letā€™s look at the Top Ten of the 2024 Televote:
1st. Croatia
2nd. Israel
3rd. Ukraine
4th. France
5th. Switzerland
6th. Ireland
7th. Italy
8th. Greece
9th. Armenia
10th. Lithuania
To begin, youā€™ll notice I included the 11th Most Overrated song in parenthesis, which is Lithuania. I did this to reflect that even though the Netherlands is 3rd Most Overrated, they sadly werenā€™t able to receive the televotes they deserved the night of the Final. Using the data from this table alone, my conclusion on the Netherlands is that they were easily going to place Top Ten in the Televote, which would then leave who in 11th? Lithuania. All thatā€™s left is to replace Belgium ā€“ a poorly-staged pop ballad with a party-harshing climax ā€“ with Armenia, which is a song bursting with fun, flawless vocals, and something so Armenian it caused Azerbaijan to get sent to the Doom Dimension. Additionally, mostly out of curiosity, I checked how many more reviews ā€œJakoā€ has on EurovisionWorld as of May 22nd, and theyā€™re up from ~12,000 ratings to ~18,000 while maintaining their 3.7 star score both times ā€“ thatā€™s a show of quality and enjoyment from audiences over time. So other than those casesā€¦I think I just mathematically figured out how to predict the televote? And, I donā€™t even mean the Top Ten ā€“ I mean the whole competition.
So I ask you this: What do we do when we are suddenly given information about the ways the results of Eurovision can be reflected in data before the fact? The answer is not ā€œtry and make a profit.ā€ No, thatā€™s not how EuroQuision works. Instead: we use it as mathematical evidence that propaganda fucking works.
CHAPTER 5: Couldnā€™t See It Cominā€™
Except: now we know we did see it coming.
Before we dive into the serious stuff, you might be thinking that what Iā€™ve presented is an attempt or desire to ā€œbreak Eurovisionā€ or take advantage of this information for personal gain. I wonā€™t deny that bets play a huge role in Eurovision ā€“ itā€™s how we get the odds in the first place. But if you know me, you know Iā€™m not in this for the money, even though that may differ from the EBUā€™s intentions. The truth is that I donā€™t have any practical means to try and ā€œprofitā€ from any way this information could be used. Part of journalism and sharing of information is the inability I have to control how itā€™s used despite my best intention.
My intention with this article is to provide evidence that ā€œIsraelā€™sā€ attempts at utilizing Eurovision to get a good result and repaint their global image was nearly perfect, and the numbers said it was going to happen the whole time. Even without the numbers from EurovisionWorld, we knew how desperate ā€œIsraelā€™sā€ pleas for votes from the world were. From Duolingoā€™ing her way across the internet to coordinated efforts to vote en masse in various countries, Eden Golan was gunning for a televote win that she nearly reached, and thatā€™s assuming every single one of those votes were completely legitimate. This is not said to try and accuse anyone of fraudulent voting when I donā€™t have evidence to support that. I mention it because vote buying is a practice that has been done in the past and actual delegations received punishment for doing so. Given the context of every other effort ā€œIsraelā€ put into their campaign for votes ā€“ and I mean everything: begging other artists/teams for positive press and harassing them to the point of retaliation ā€“ doesnā€™t make fraudulent voting seem out of the question.Ā 
Unfortunately, I am no expert on voter fraud ā€“ ironic, me being an American and all, but I digress. This is something that, if proven true, will be revealed in the time post-Eurovision 2024. And if itā€™s true, I will happily discuss it! But for now, I can onlyĀ  talk about what we do know, which is the newfound connection between EurovisionWorldā€™s sample of public ratings indicating a songā€™s predicted success or failure in the contest. This connection is reflective of the greatest tool a Eurovision song has: public perception. Or as some countries treat it: propaganda. Even though ā€œIsraelā€ is a country being sued by the ICJ for genocide, actively commit acts of violence to Palestinians as well as fellow-EBU member countries Lebanon, Jordan, and Egpyt, and were told multiple times by the EBU reference group to rewrite their political song lyrics, they still performed and qualified and finished Top Ten. Truly, did we even need my equation to prove ā€œHurricaneā€ was overrated? Not really. Instead, ā€œHurricaneā€ being so statistically overrated was a symptom of the larger effect of a successful PR campaign. When you consider that ā€œIsraelā€™sā€ mere existence inside of Eurovision is in itself a PR campaign, none of this is surprising. ā€œIsraeliā€ media took every possible moment to try and tell the world that their Eurovision participation was a good thing and truly represented being ā€œunited by music.ā€ They did this in commercials and even in what ā€œIsraelā€ calls a sketch comedy show.Ā 
All of these factors had me worried that despite my best hopes and efforts, somehow ā€œIsraelā€ would pull off a good result when they should have been removed months ago. However, the numbers were there the whole time. As we can see, the numbers donā€™t only apply to solely to ā€œIsrael.ā€ Just as they came 2nd in my list and 2nd in the televote, Croatia was 1st in both, and the accuracy of the Top Ten as well as the bottom eleven/NQā€™s canā€™t be ignored either. Truly think about that for a moment: on April 25th ā€“ several days before we saw any rehearsal footage or official performance ā€“ we knew with 80-90% accuracy the Grand Final televote results and who wasnā€™t going to qualify with 64% accuracy. And before you suggest that this was a Eurovision 2024-exclusive phenomenon, I thought of that too! So as a surprise fun addition, I ran my equation with the 2023 songs as well!
Since I canā€™t travel back in time to April 25th 2023, thereā€™s no way I could collect all the ratings and stars with the same accuracy as I did for 2024, Thankfully, using the Wayback Machine Internet Archive. I managed to ā€œgo back in timeā€ to a window of time spanning from mid-April to early-May and collect all the numbers. Even with a wider window of information, the 2023 Deviation Scores proved to be almost identical in accuracy ā€“ even more accurate in some cases. Starting with the Bottom 11 Most Underrated according to my equation, 9 of those countries turned out to be NQā€™s. At the other end with the Top 10 Most Overrated, 7 out of those 10 did in fact finish in the Televote Top 10. And who was the most ā€œoverratedā€ of 2023? Not Finland, not Sweden, but ā€œIsraelā€ and ā€œUnicorn.ā€ This shows that for two years in a row, despite the drastic shift in public opinion and discussion concerning Israelā€™s participation, their songs that directly correlate to geopolitical aggression and self-victimization proved effective in the realm of Eurovision. So once again, I ask you, the reader: What do we do? CONCLUSION
Since Iā€™m aware that a 20-page article is a bit long, I will go ahead and just list out the most important bits of information I covered and discussed:
Using the information from EurovisionWorld.com, we created an equation that figures out how close or far a song is from the global average of both stars and number of ratings.
Comparing these Deviation Scores reflects a somewhat-accurate correlation between how much the public ā€œratesā€ a song and whether that song qualifies or potentially comes Top Ten in the Televote
Once these connections can be observed, we can discuss what factors or influences play a part in these connections (Is a song more popular? Is it less popular? Is it representing a country committing war crimes and hopes no one notices? Etc etc.)
Finally, here in the conclusion of all of this, we can answer that third point. As I mentioned, cases like Joost and ā€œEuropapaā€ being overrated are fairly easy to explain; well-known artist, extremely radio-friendly banger song, the list goes on. It also reflects why Iceland and ā€œScared of Heightsā€ is near the bottom; a more ā€œgenericā€ paint-by-numbers pop song with simple English lyrics, a very unambitious composition, etc etc. However, thereā€™s a difference between a song being over/underrated based on merit, and those with scores based on skewed public opinion one way or another.
I wonā€™t pretend for a moment that spam-liking or spam-disliking doesnā€™t exist. For example, Iā€™m aware of how Bashar Murad was the clear favorite to win over Hera Bjork, but sadly finished 2nd in what felt like a very devastating blow to the potential of Palestinian representation at Eurovision when itā€™s needed most. Anyone who rated Iceland poorly because of this is able to do so just as fairly as those who rate it low based on song quality alone. I cannot control the reasons as to why people choose to rate a song high vs. low.
Conversely, you might reasonably be saying ā€œIf ā€˜Israelā€™ is continuing to treat this as one big PR stunt, wouldnā€™t that mean all those positive ratings and their televote score are a result of artificially inflating the numbers and/or buying votes?ā€ And as much as thatā€™s one possible explanation, Iā€™ll remind you that there are people who genuinely just enjoy ā€œHurricaneā€ and dislike having to engage in contextualizing ā€œIsraelā€™sā€ Eurovision participation. For example, Worldvishawn is a Eurovision TikTok creator with over 300,000 followers, and on multiple occasions has published videos voicing his enjoyment and support of ā€œHurricaneā€ this year. In a video discussing ā€œHurricaneā€™sā€ rehearsals, he notes that the song is a ā€œ9/10ā€ and is a case where ā€œthe live vocals are better than the studio version.ā€ The issue here is not the fact that a fan of Eurovision has a positive opinion of a song that a lot of people dislike, thatā€™s never a problem with me. The issue is that people with large platforms are able to give their opinions to hundreds of thousands of people with the click of a button and provides a space where people can attempt to remove any context of ā€œHurricaneā€ and ā€œIsraelā€ whatsoever and just say the song is good. This is what indicates to me that all the positive numbers surrounding this song arenā€™t all completely fabricated and this should not conclude in a baseless accusation of buying or faking votes.
Eurovision 2024 was a year where at every level of control, nearly everyone chose to do nothing rather than doing something. At the tippy top of the ranks, it was up to the EBU to remove ā€œIsraelā€ because of their own previously-established actions and morals concerning geopolitical violence during Eurovision, specifically in the case of Russia. After they refused to do that, it was the responsibility of participating broadcasters to withdraw and refuse to participate. After all 37 broadcasters refused to actually do anything, it was up to the artists to put their career aside and take a stand in the public eye. And then, none of the artists did that! Some showed and voiced their advocacy, but none of them showed solidarity. If you arenā€™t familiar with the difference between advocacy and solidarity, advocacy is when you ā€œadvocateā€ your morals and beliefs in your words and attitude. Solidarity is when you put those words to action and actually do something actionable to disrupt the status quo to be in solidarity with those who are suffering and against a system of power that is ignoring them. And since none of the artistsā€™ advocacy led to solidarity, there we were with a Grand Final with ā€œIsraelā€ coming 2nd in the televote and no one doing anything about it.
Now, I could go down the entire chain of responsibility of ā€œWho needs to do something about this?ā€ and eventually land where I and many others have been for months, which is the fun destination of Boycottville, but a lot of people hear the B-word and think its an invitation to start arguing and calling me a hypocrite. What I will state is this: boycotting is not something asked of us to try and simply prove our morals for show or optics, and it is not something we ask people do to in order to shame them should they choose not to. Boycotting is what we do when every level of command above us refuses to do anything about a system that is completely broken and exploitable. The numbers were there from the beginning and even I can admit I was foolish when I stated in my own video essay that ā€œā€˜Israelā€™ isnā€™t going to get an enormous televote score.ā€ That is something I said based on optimism and my own reasoning, before I actually came up with this equation and ran all the numbers. I was proven very wrong and I think Iā€™m not the only one.
In the end, I need to remind us all that this was never about the results, it was never about ā€œmaking sure ā€˜Israelā€™ doesnā€™t win.ā€ If this were truly about making sure ā€œIsraelā€ didnā€™t win, then we would all have had to agree on one (1) artist to mass-vote for AND hope the juries liked as well, but that would be literally impossible. Whereas Eurofans could argue ā€œLetā€™s mass-vote Croatia!ā€ or ā€œMass-vote Ukraine again,ā€ that is nowhere as easily and streamlined as it is for Zionists, ā€œfakeā€ votes, and ā€œIsraeliā€ fans to just spend all their money on voting for ā€œHurricane.ā€ So once again: THIS IS NOT ABOUT RESULTS. The numbers sadly reflected ā€œIsraelā€ succeeding in their campaign nearly the entire way, and because they know that Eurovision is a system where everyone from the broadcasters to the fans donā€™t actually want to do anything that poses a threat to this silly contest, theyā€™ll get the numbers they want. Trying to beat ā€œIsraelā€ at the game of Eurovision is a mathematical impossibility as things currently stand, and if EVERYONE continues to not want to change their behavior (the EBU, the broadcasters, the artists, the news websites, even the fans themselves), then ā€œIsraelā€ will keep playing this game successfully for years to come.
ā€œThe Fairest of Them Allā€
Researched and Written by Beatrice Quinn
Research Data Links:
Eurovision 2024: Deviation Scores
Eurovision 2023: Deviation Scores
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THERE IS A KPOP CONVENTION AT THE ANIME EXPO PLACE?
HEELLLLLP
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*record scratch*
*Freeze frame*
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Yep, thatā€™s me. (Not really.) Freaking out over boys a million miles away. I bet youā€™re wondering how I got here.
Hi Iā€™m Journey, nice to meet you!
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So hereā€™s the thing: Iā€™m brand new to K-Pop fandom.
Iā€™m not new to fandom (anime, books, etc.) and Iā€™m not new to K-Pop (in that Iā€™ve always been aware of it; listen to some of the music; I have friends w/in the fandom, etc.) But I have never been in the K-Pop fandomā€”that all changed w/ Cha Woongki.Ā 
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One day, I'm scrolling through Tiktok and see this:
and Iā€™m like itā€™s giving
queer~,
itā€™s giving
Reality TV~.
Already my two favorite things. So, I search up the source material, and boom: Boys Planet pops up.Ā 
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I jumped right in, wondering if Iā€™d even be into it (Because I have a short attention span when it comes to tv sometimes)ā€”
I got hooked.
Cute, talented guys around my age?
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Also some very much giving girlypop?
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ALSO competing?
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(The survival aspect killed me sometimes as an empath. Stop emotionally destroying those boys please.)
I canā€™t remember when I started watching the show...maybe half way through the season airing? But I immediately jumped into live voting.
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I was super excited, and even thought, "if some of my Top Picks make it into this little group...
...will I be stanning a K-Pop group?"
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Then it happened. I went from juggling a few Top Picks, to finding the one.
My BIAS* (which I did not know at the time, because what is K-POP?):
Seok Matthew.
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I was like... "him. Iā€™m rooting for that one. I love his talent, he's super freaking cute, and Iā€™m sad when he gets sad on the show."
...and right on time. Because, now, instead of having the option to vote for three Top Picks on the app...we could only vote for one.Ā 
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And I was finding that a lot of fans on social media werenā€™t struggling to select one. It seemed like every fan had one person they really were devoted to /excited about / cheering on. And I was like... "Well, thatā€™s how I feel about Seok Matthew."
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I mean, this happens all the time with Reality TV shows, right? We have a fave and we root for them with fellow fans. And maybe even vote.
But the energy of thisā€”felt different.
Only 9 out of 18 guys were going to make it into that debut group**. It all was riding on the votes.
We, as fans, literally had their dreams in our hands.
There were Twitter polls where fans were exchanging and buying votes. Or working with fans of already debuted groups.
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There will billboard ads across bus stations and on the sides of buildings advertising top picks.Ā 
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There was even this crazy moment where the fans decided who got the best part in the finale performance...all through YouTube streams?! As in, all the competing boys performed the part, and the video with the most views + likes would be awarded the part.
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(It was CRAZY. Seok Matthew has just gone through a sad moment on the show and had been dealing with a lot of negative rumors. So, Seokryudans*** were PISSED. All that stress/defensiveness blew up, and w/in a day, the fandom got his views super high.
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But get this? One of the most popular boys on the show [rightfully so, we love him] has a HUGE fandom, so they started competing with us Seokryudans.
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Like, it was meant to be an 8 person battle, but the competition was ONLY between Zhang Hao and Matthew.
We were in the trenches. Streaming in the millions. SCREAM TYPING on social media.
Hao won.
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(Iā€™m almost over it.)
Anyway, so that crazy streaming war? Think of that vibe, but times it by 100000000ā€”because this time we werenā€™t voting on a part.
We were voting on who debuted.**
We were voting on who got to follow their dreams versus who would literally have go back to their daily lives and struggles / head home / leave the country.Ā 
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It was intense.
...
Matthew debuted in the group!
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Ā And two other Top Picks of mine: Gunwook and Hanbin debuted, too.
(*Moment of silence for some of my other faves that didn't survive this time around...
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...including the icon, the legend, the one that started it all for me:
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)
So, many talented boys didn't make it. But Gunwook, Hanbin, and the LOML Seok Matthew did!
And, throughout the transition from Boys Planet to the new group preparing to debut (through a lot of Tiktoks, birthday lives, and magazine covers, Iā€™ve gotten to really fall for the charms of all the boys in the groupā€”and now I really do love ZEROABASEONE.
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And thatā€™s when it hit me:
Ā Iā€¦
...really love a K-Pop group?
As in the background on my phone? As in my previous hyper fixation (*cough* My Hero Academia *cough*) almost replaced??
WHAT???
At least with previous hyper fixations, I had something to jump off of. MHA? Great, I know anime and cosplay.
Thai Drama? Yeah, you know, Iā€™ve watched foreign TV shows before. I can read captions, I get it.
UlTING**** a K-Pop group? Whaā€”what is a lightstick? PC? What isā€”why would we collect plastic? Birthday? In a cafe??? Free..bie?
THERE IS A KPOP CONVENTION AT THE ANIME EXPO PLACE?
HEELLLLLP
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*record scratch*
*freeze frame*
(Yep, thatā€™s me. Newly formed K-Pop girlie, with only one K-Pop group...thatā€™s she's obsessed with.
ZEROBASEONE is debuting as a new group, and Iā€™m debuting as a new K-Pop fan.
This is Journeyā€™s Debut.
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...Letā€™s see how this goes. <3 0_1
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BONUS: I will be keeping K-Pop Logs for new vocabulary I learn / pickup / discover within the fandom, and end up using on the blog.
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K-POP B/LOG:
*BIAS - A favorite member within a group.
**DEBUT - Though ā€œdebutā€ is a word used for music genres other than K-pop, it's often used in K-pop to refer toĀ a trainee who has transitioned to an idol by releasing their first official single (either as a soloist or in a group) or performing in public for the first time.
***Seokryudans - Name of Seok Matthew fandom; a play on the Korean word for pomegranate (seongnyu) and Seok.
****ULT - A bias refers to your favorite member, but it can change through time. Meanwhile, an ULT, short for "Ultimate," is that group or member who's your top favorite no matter how many idols and groups you like in the future.
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More ways to follow the Journey!
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bisexuallsokka Ā· 2 years ago
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would you be willing to summarize the poll drama for us that doesn't use twitter? :>
GLADLY
okay okay so someone started a best atla ship tournament poll on twitter and in the first round zukka was losing to ty.zula but members of zukka nation started hearing about it and posting the link to vote so it started spreading pretty fast and zukka slowly started to bridge the gap and then the final result was that zukka won and because they got so many votes people were implying that zukka stans were paying bots for more votes when really. i was keeping a close eye on it all day and i never noticed it have a big enough jump for bots to make sense. we simply just awoke zukka nation for more reinforcements. but i digress.
anyway, the rounds continued and zukka kept winning (and not by like a HUGE margin but always by enough to come out on top) and each round kept putting them against a wlw ship (rip iā€™m sorry mailee) but anyway all the zukka antis were FURIOUS and saying that if you voted for zukka you are misogynistic and lesbophobic which was just so funny to me considering the insane number of sapphics in zukka nation but whatever.
anyway these antis were begging people to vote against zukka but it simply did not work (especially when the poll had them go against two wlw ships and so they split the vote) and they were also saying how people who vote for zukka are just fetishizing mlm ships and all this insane stuff
so so so many of them are zootaras so two days ago one of the rounds was z.tara against kataang and it was insane because all the other polls were getting like 2,000 votes and the final number of votes for this one was over 8,000 so CLEARLY both sides were using votes to get more votes for their side and eventually kataang won and then a lot of people were acting like kataang nation was the only one using bots
and then kataang went against sukka yesterday and and all the people who are anti zukka and pro ztara were all rooting for sukka because they thought they could defeat zukka but kataang ended up winning
anyway now itā€™s between kataang and zukka and everyone who doesnā€™t like those ships are acting like zukka/kataang nation spent hundreds of dollars on votes, hate women, and are actively committing hate crimes against lesbians
and ITS SOOO FUNNY. iā€™ve been having the time of my life itā€™s so entertaining theyā€™re getting so invested in a fucking. twitter poll. and theyā€™re just making it toooo fucking easy to mess with them. low hanging fruit and all that.
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jungshookz Ā· 4 years ago
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Imagine jimin dancing without shirt because it's to hot and the whole class sees himšŸ˜³
no need to imagine baby i gotchuĀ 
this was supposed to be super short but i said that to myself like two hours ago and it turned into,.,.., thIS..,,. so if balletteacher!jimin doesnā€™t win the poll at least the ballet!couple stans have,.,.,. WHATEVER THIS ISĀ 
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āžŗ pairing; balletteacher!jimin x ballerina!y/n
āžŗ genre; i literally cannot focus because i keep staring at this gif so just assume this drabble is as hot as jimin i,.,.,. i am about to go into my jimin phase again,.,.Ā 
āžŗ wordcount; i donā€™t know i am so out of it right now (1.7k)Ā 
(unfortunately i wasnā€™t able to track down the original maker of this gif but this is where i sourced it from! all credits go to the original creator of course :-))
Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā Ā»Ā»ā€”ā€”ā€”ā€”-怀šŸ”„怀ā€”ā€”ā€”ā€”-Ā«Ā«
ā€œsorry i couldnā€™t make it to brunch last week and... the week before thatā€¦ but i can definitely join you guys this week!ā€ you chirp, pausing for a second so you can quickly pull your hair into a flimsy low bun, ā€œthereā€™s this place that has these massive waffles and you can pour as much syrup on it as you want on them-ā€ you take your duffle bag out before slamming your locker shut and turning around, ā€œplus-ā€
you immediately stop talking when you realize that youā€™re all alone in the changing room
you blink twice before reaching up to scratch your head
what the heck
ā€¦how long have you been talking to yourself for??
there are still bags and shoes and loose articles of clothing sitting on benches and hanging out of lockers but itā€™s just that their owners have completely disappeared
ā€œguys?ā€ you frown, zipping your hoodie up as you step over items littering the ground to make your way to the door, ā€œi know iā€™ve been really flaky with our dates and stuff but you donā€™t have to abandon me mid-conversation to prove a point-ā€ you poke your head out of the changing room, holding your breath for a second to see if you can hear anything
ā€œ-is someone filming this or what??ā€
ā€œshh!!ā€
ā€œmove over, let me look too-ā€
thatā€™s odd
ā€œguysā€¦?ā€ you lower your voice as you approach the girls cautiously, raising a brow at the sight of them crowding around the door of the classroom, ā€œis there, like- some kind of hip-hop class or something-ā€
you can practically feel the vibrations of the bass pumping through the floorboards as you get closer and closer, the sound of muffled thumping leaking out through the crack in the door
ā€œy/n!ā€ lisa turns her head when she hears you, slipping out of the group with a giggle and gesturing for you to hurry and come over, ā€œthere you are, silly- i thought you followed us-ā€
ā€œfollow- well, class is over and weā€™re all changing out of our unitards so i didnā€™t know i had to follow you guys anywhere-ā€ you snort, leaning over a little to look at the group of giddy girls again, ā€œlet me guess - those boys from that other dance academy came to use our rooms again-ā€
ā€œguys, move out of the way so y/n can take a look-ā€ lisa swats at jisooā€™s back gently, the girls whispering to each other excitedly as they step aside to let you through
ā€œno way!ā€ seulgi chirps, popping her head up at the front of the group, ā€œyou snooze, you lose, y/l/n-ā€
ā€œcā€™mon, seulgi, donā€™t be like that-ā€ lisa tuts, shoving at your back to force you through the tightly packed group, ā€œeveryone should get a chance to see this-ā€
ā€œsee what?! what is going on-ā€
ā€œfine, but iā€™m only giving you one minute-ā€ seulgi wags a finger at you before stepping down from the ledge, wrapping her hand around your elbow and yanking you up, ā€œsixty seconds.ā€
ā€œcan i just say that you guys get so weird whenever those boys come to-ā€ your mouth immediately goes dry the second you turn your head and peer through the crack, all the blood in your body rushing up to congregate in your face, ā€œoh, dear god-ā€
you were certainly right about all this commotion being caused because of men
except, in this case, itā€™s just because of one man
you watch in shock as a very shirtless jimin slams his arms down mid-air against the beat, twirling around in the spot with his head tilted back
he slides a hand down his chest until he reaches the waistband of his sweatpants, lifting a leg and thrusting his hips forward with a grunt
his tongue pokes out in between his lips before it curls upwards and you swallow dryly when you feel your stomach flutter
out of all the things you were expecting to see when you looked into the classroom, it definitely wasnā€™t this
youā€™ve never seen jimin dance outside of a classical setting so this is veryā€¦ veryā€¦
wow
this is very wow
ā€œgod, i wanna fuck him.ā€ seulgi sighs dreamily, twirling a strand of hair around her finger, ā€œi love men. donā€™t you love men?ā€ Ā 
ā€œmen- i-ā€ you force yourself to snap out of your daze, letting out a nervous chuckle as you turn to look at seulgi, ā€œthis- to be honest, this feels like a private moment, you know? i-i feel like we should probably leave now before he catches us-ā€
ā€œoh my god, you always get so weird around mr. park!ā€ seulgi scoffs, rolling her eyes before pursing her lips, ā€œyou can appreciate his beauty without feeling bad, y/n. relax a little!ā€
you press your lips together as you take a second to think through her response
ā€¦
what are you even thinking about?
of course you know you can appreciate his beauty!
you have personally appreciated his beauty in private many, many times but of course no one knows that
but maybe if you quit acting so weird and twitchy, seulgi will finally give you a break and will stop giving you crap about how nervous you get around mr. park
for the record, the only reason why you get so sweaty and weird whenever the conversation shifts to how attractive mr. park is is because youā€™re scared youā€™ll accidentally let something slip one day and screw everything up
the other day lisa was wondering out loud if mr. park had a six-pack or an eight-pack and you were about to respond with a ā€˜itā€™s a six-pack but heā€™s getting to an eight-pack if iā€™m being honest-ā€˜ but LUCKILY you stopped yourself before all of that word vomit spewed out of your mouth
obviously she got her answer today after spying on him dancing half-naked
ā€œin fact, i think itā€™d be good for you to appreciate his beauty up close so you can finally join in on our conversationsā€¦ā€ seulgi clears her throat, pushing herself up from the wall as she zeroes in on youĀ 
ā€œyeah, well, i think my sixty seconds is up, so maybe- oh!ā€ you gasp when you feel two hands shove at your back and you donā€™t get a chance to even process the fact that youā€™re being pushed before-
the door ricochets against the wall with a smack! after you get pushed into the room, your palms slapping against the wooden floor immediately to keep yourself from knocking a tooth out
ā€œy/n!ā€ jimin snaps out of his intense concentration when he sees you stumble into the room behind him in the mirror, turning to look at you with wide eyes before hurrying over to the stereo to turn the music off, ā€œare you alright??ā€
ā€œfine! i-iā€™m fine- iā€™m good-ā€ you sneakers squeak against the ground as you scramble to your feet, glancing back to glare at a very smug-looking seulgi Ā 
why is she always getting you into these situations?!
ā€¦how do you always let her get you into these situations?!
ā€œiā€™m so sorry forā€¦ iā€¦ umā€¦ā€Ā 
you know this isnā€™t the first time youā€™ve seen his skin glisten with sweat but something about the way the light is hitting jimin is making you feel a little lightheaded
the corner of jiminā€™s mouth curls into a knowing smirk when he notices the way your eyes lower from his face to his body, ā€œi wasā€¦ you see, i-ā€
ā€œyou wereā€¦ā€ he coos mockingly, tilting his head as he makes his way back over to you, ā€œyou were what, bab-ā€
ā€œthe girls!ā€ you interrupt frantically, stepping aside to gesture towards the large group of girls still crowded by the door, ā€œthe- the girls wanted me to- uh, they wanted me to ask you a question so i- thatā€™s why iā€™m in here.ā€
jiminā€™s face pales slightly when he notices the girls standing by the door
oh
whoops
ā€œoh, of course!ā€ he clears his throat loudly before taking a step back from you, the two of you exchanging panicked glances before he bends down to pick his shirt up, ā€œwhat was the question?ā€ he slides his shirt back on
ā€œthereā€™s no question, sir-ā€ seulgi chimes in before pausing for a second, ā€œhowever, as the obvious group leader here, iā€™d like to say on behalf of everyone that you are very welcome to demonstrate this dance in class if youā€™d like-ā€
the girls immediately burst into laughter and jimin snorts before reaching up to scratch the back of his neck bashfully
ā€œvery funny, ladies-ā€ jimin shakes his head before gesturing for everyone to go, ā€œgo and get out of here! iā€™ll see all of you next week-ā€
ā€œhave a good weekend, mr. park!ā€
ā€œgoodbye, mr. park!ā€
ā€œbye, mr. park!!ā€
you wait until you hear everyoneā€™s voices drift further and further away before scurrying over to the door and peering around it to make sure no oneā€™s around
ā€œcoast is clear.ā€ you let out a breath of relief to see that the hallway is empty before turning around to- ā€œoh!ā€ you jump when you end up bumping right into jimin, stumbling back a little before reaching out to press your hand flat against his chest so you can shove him back into the room, ā€œwhat is the matter with you?? you already know all the people here drool over you on a daily basis and you still go around half-naked and- and thrust your hips like that-ā€
ā€œwhat, you didnā€™t like it?ā€ jimin teases, wrapping his fingers around your wrist so he can pull your hand down and slide it underneath his shirt
ā€œhey-ā€Ā you feel your entire face flush the moment your hand comes into contact with the ridges of his firm abdomen and you slip your hand out quickly, jimin laughing at your reaction before reaching up to pinch your cheek
ā€œall iā€™m saying is that you werenā€™t exactly against my thrusting last night, miss y/l/n-ā€
ā€œjimin!ā€
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everyneji Ā· 2 years ago
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I hear people say no one cared about Neji before his death. Is/was Neji popular? I don't think many people dislike him, but he doesn't seem to be many people's most favorite character. I'm new to the fandom (I know I'm late) so it's just my first impression
Well, as ever, it depends where you're engaging with fandom, but Neji has always held a decent level of popularity for a character who only got plot for two early arcs and proceeded to do nothing for the next ten years. Shonen Jump only conducted character popularity polls up to 2011, but from those we gather: POLL #1: 12th place (288 votes) POLL #2: 13th place (396 votes) POLL #3: 10th place (1,174 votes) POLL #4: 6th place (3,222 votes) POLL #5: 7th place (2,497 votes) POLL #6: 8th place (1,785 votes) DATABOOK 3 COMPILATION POLL: 7th place (9,362 votes) 10th EN ANNIVERSARY POLL: 4th place with 8% of the vote POLL #7: 15th place (1,794)
So you know, shoutout to the ~2000 Japanese Shounen Jump subscribers who were dedicated Neji stans through it all.
I think to understand Neji's popularity level you need to consider why he was such an effective choice as a Konoha 11 character to kill off to show the Violence of War. Yes he died to play cupid, but he was also a character that was liked and had a decent overall story, without being essential to the plot. Like, maybe Kiba or Shino could have gone out encouraging Naruto to make a move on their teammate, but, well.
It was a running joke on the Naruto Forums back in the day that Neji was death flagged, and that Kishimoto wasn't going to let him do anything until he died, so we had some idea this was coming. If Neji did marginally anything in the manga, it would get a decent response as demonstrated by this excerpt of a classic parody page:
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Overall, I'd say that Neji is a mid tier character popularity wise (top tier in our hearts, of course.) People did 'care' more after he died, but this is more because they want to either use his death as a reason to criticize Naruto/Hinata or to critique Kishimoto's writing overall. I don't think he really gained many new fans after his death so much as he became a battering ram for these kinds of discussions.
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scoobydoodean Ā· 3 years ago
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i don't like to see anti-dean content either but it's hilarious to me that so many dean stans whose content i enjoy have this weird persecution complex about dean getting SO MUCH hate online. like i'm sorry, you guys have to know that's not true. dean is BY FAR the most popular character. are there specific dean anti blogs, yes. is spn fandom at large so accepting of anti-sam sentiment that it doesn't even get labeled as such? also yes. i dare you to say one anti-dean thing on twitter and not get ratioed. call sam a twat and say he should have been killed in the crib, 876 likes.
From one of my polls.
There was that poll I did a while back (on request) ofĀ ā€œwho do you think receives the most hate/who is most liked online among TFWā€ and people chose Sam as the most hated and Dean as the most liked. I never weighed in with my own perception so this is a decent springboard.Ā 
So I likeā€”both agree with this take and donā€™t, and I think I can lend some insights about the sensitivity of some Dean fans.Ā SPN Twitter seems like a complete and total cesspool of disease and I avoid it at all costs. So I canā€™t speak for Twitter fans and will not. If Sam hate isĀ what theyā€™re up to all of the time,Ā god bless get better soon Twitter SPN (you wonā€™t but oh well). Iā€™ll make this one about my personal observations on Tumblr and Reddit.Ā 
I absolutely 100% agree Dean is the most liked by and large. Heā€™s the most popular of TFW in every poll Iā€™ve ever seen on Tumblr and Reddit, even despite season 13-15 where Dean hate was fucking everywhere. Like, not ā€œDean is lame/boringā€ shitposts but like short essays amounting to ā€œDean is a misogynist microaggressor abusing Sam and Casā€ that were getting hundreds of notes (sometimes over 1000) especially on episode airing days and were every other post at one point in the Dean tag. Reddit was no better in any episode discussion thread. This is, in my mind, where the really bitter and protective mindset of a lot of Dean fans came from and the perception that Dean gets the most hate.Ā There were definitely some bitter Dean posters out there before then who always thought like this, but they were a smaller circle of like two dozen people on Tumblr. The Dean hate was super wild during 13-15 and embittered a lot of Dean fans. Personally... this site was fucking miserable to be on as a Dean fan during 13-15 and I was actively being recommended Dean anti posts as ā€œin your orbitā€ all of the time, saying the stupidest bullshit (imo) but getting hundreds of notes.Ā 
Since the finale, however, Dean hate has practically dropped off the face of the planet again. People who always loved Dean reclaimed him out of love and grief and started shitposting about how heā€™s never done anything wrong in his entire life. However, you can still surfĀ ā€œanti Deanā€,Ā ā€œanti Samā€, andĀ ā€œanti Casā€ on Tumblr and find out what 3 people (last I looked) post anti Sam materials versus what kind of hate Dean and Cas get. (Or the variety of other random Dean hate tags likeĀ ā€œDean h8ā€³). You can still find on AO3 the fics written about Sam and Cas escaping evil abusive Dean. I do think thereā€™s possibly been a slight jump in Sam crit stuff, not even because of anything Sam did, but because of Jared. SoĀ ā€œwhoā€™s the most hatedā€ is also a question ofĀ ā€œwhen?ā€.
The Dean hate Dean fans got mad about wasnā€™t one sentence shitposts that saidĀ ā€œI hope Dean diesā€ orĀ ā€œI would sell Dean for one corn chipā€. What Dean fans got mad about for the most part were posts that basically amounted to,Ā ā€œDean has no right to grieve his dead mother or have even a moment of realistic rage or grief over thatā€Ā and ā€œthe fact that Sam flinches when he hears loud noises is proof that Dean has been abusing himā€ andĀ ā€œDean is obligated to love and parent Jackā€ andĀ ā€œDean isnā€™t allowed to cut people out of his life even temporarily but theyā€™re allowed to cut him out of theirs and in fact should be applauded for doing soā€. These were not unpopular posts during Dabbā€™s run. They werenā€™t piddly little posts getting 5 notes or upvotes. They were popular sentiments on Tumblr and Reddit in terms of silent voting (likes/upvotes).ļæ½ļæ½I think one reason Deanfans can be super protective over Dean getting hate for things they donā€™t think are fair/his fault/show glaring double standards is specifically becauseĀ a big part of Deanā€™s story is his childhood parentification, and the impact that had on his sense of self-worth and his tendency to heap guilt on himself for things that werenā€™t his fault or his responsibility. This is a life long struggle for Dean and one that is never resolved in the series. Even in the showā€™s finale he is putting himself down. Even in season 14 he is talking about how heā€™d be sent away if he stepped out of line and the next episode has his dad there in his presence and thereā€™s no confrontation or catharsis or conversation about the impact of that. ParentificationĀ is directly connected to being held to different standards than ones peers, having higher expectations of your behavior, being expected to parent and take care of others despite how itā€™s affecting your mental health, and being ridiculed and demanded to accept blame for things that arenā€™t your responsibility. The type of hate Dean was getting, sometimes in essay length posts with hundreds or thousands of notes, often perpetuated these themes as legitimate instead of distancing from them. Some Deanfans also idenitify with these experiences on a personal level because of their own childhood experiences, so reading these things said about Dean didnā€™t just feel like an attack on a fictional character, but an attack on them and their perceptions of their own childhood experiences.Ā Stans of everyone in TFW sometimes feel this type of thing as a personal attack because of identifying with Sam or Cas or Deanā€”that isnā€™t limited to Dean fans, but I think the nature of the types of hate comments and hate essays Dean was facing are important. It wasnā€™t justĀ ā€œDean is a boring characterā€. It wasĀ ā€œDean is an abusive monsterā€. It was the nature of the comments.Ā 
Now... I do think there is a good argument to say Sam is the leastĀ liked, but I donā€™t tend to think heā€™s the most hatedā€”the distinction being the severity of the feeling, I suppose.Ā I... simply donā€™t think people who popularly donā€™tĀ like SamĀ care enough about Sam to hate him. o_O The most frequent complaint about him I see in posts with lots of notes (and againā€”this is limited to Tumblr and Reddit because Twitter can die) is that heā€™s boring and undeserving of attention for that reason. The last time I saw this, it was also directly in the context of someone making a meme to claim Sam was interesting and Dean was not, and people dogpiling it to thousands of notes to say that Sam is boring and Dean is a more interesting character essentially (and most of the hate was actually about Jared rather than Sam, blaming him for making Sam boring... which is a whole other issue, and you wonā€™t catch me fighting the claim that Jared is the most hated actor among the cast at any point). Low-key Sam hate is widespread. I agree with that. If you want to find Sam hate essays, where Sam is called a classist, a narcissist, a manipulator and emotionally abusive,Ā you typically have to go back to likeā€”season 9.Ā Sam simply doesnā€™t seem to inspire obsessive hate essays in the last 5-6 seasons. That said, Dean stans are like... totally blind sometimes to how many people simply donā€™t like Sam or Cas... And a lot of hardcore Dean stans gatekeep liking Dean to the point that they donā€™t see a lot of people who consider Dean as their favorite asĀ ā€œrealā€ Dean fans, and thus perceive Deanā€™sĀ ā€œactualā€ fanbase as small because interpretations of Dean and reasons for loving him can vary a lot at times.
Even some people who like Dean though, do shit post about him being stupid, homophobic, sexist, and otherwise at times, and get 1000s of notes on it because people think itā€™s funny. So. I guess what Iā€™m saying is that I have this weird inner distinction betweenĀ ā€œhateā€ andĀ ā€œdislikeā€ and donā€™t think being the most liked and the most hated are mutually exclusive, and I think sometimes people think lowkey hate is funny, even about their faves. Maybe itā€™s a zoomer thing? Idk.Ā 
But what Iā€™ve also said before standsā€”that people will notice hate about their fave more, and thus tend to see them as getting the most hate.Ā Not just because theyā€™re more sensitive about comments, but also because they see content about their favorite character more and seek it out, and among that content, they will find hate/crit posts, and that can skew ones perception of how many there are for ones favorite versus other characters. Iā€™ll be the first to say though, that I have struggled to find Dean fans to follow who arenā€™t at least kind of Sam crit, and Iā€™ve struggled to find Sam fans who arenā€™t at least kind of Dean crit. I donā€™t think most destiel shippers care about Sam. I think wincest and bibro fans like him a lotā€”often the most. Dean, being one side of the two most popular ships, is hated more for seeming to favor one over the other or not being loving enough or having boundaries, but heā€™s needed on both sides, and very popular.Ā In the end, I donā€™t think it really matters who gets the most hate and I donā€™t think the fixation on one-upping each other in terms of who is the most hated is productive or even remotely enjoyable as a passtime. Iā€™d rather focus on enjoying the characters instead of being upset about what other people think, at least now that the show is over and hate as faded down a ton... itā€™s just not mentally healthy to wring ones hands over it all of the timeĀ (and this is why, even when it was popular, I always tried to handle things with humor). Anyway, fuck the haters.
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evesbeve Ā· 4 years ago
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Hey there, you said your ask box was open for Justin Min's whole thing? I guess I just slept through the whole thing, honestly - could you just go over a gist of everything that happened? I get that it seems like a PR team didn't know how to use twitter (which, mood) and f-ed things up for him, but what were they "cleaning up" in the first place, who's Anna what did they do that warranted such a bizarre thread from the PR team, etc...? šŸ˜³
Hey! Okay so this is going to be a lot, so buckle up.
Right off the bat, I just want to say that Justin isnā€™t cancelled. The situation has been mostly resolved right now (more on that later).
So around a week ago, Justin Min started deleting his replies to fans. Depending on whether youā€™re on Twitter or not, you might know that Justin is one of the most interactive people of the cast. He knows a lot of fans by name, he has inside jokes with us, and he just interacts a lot with his fanbase. So you can imagine why him suddenly starting to delete his replies was a bit upsetting. There was nothing we could do about it though.
And suddenly, two days ago, Justin deactivated his account out of nowhere, which caused all kinds of drama to go down.
People started pointing the finger at specific accounts saying it was their fault that Justin deactivated (donā€™t even get me started on that logic; why a grown-ass adult deactivate because of a few teenagers is above me, it literally made no sense), even sending death threats. Others suspected that he got suspended because Twitterā€™s algorithm saw all these tweets get deleted and was likeĀ ā€œwelp, bot time.ā€ Long story short, lots of misinformation was going around.
And then out of the blue, Justinā€™s account was reactivated, and he made a thread directed at Anna.
Now, who is Anna? Anna is a stan on twitter, whose @ I wonā€™t be sharing for privacy, but hereā€™s how theyā€™re relevant in this:
Remember when I mentioned the inside jokes? Well, one of them was between a fan called Matt and Justin. Matt kept commenting on Justinā€™s tweets asking him to say trans rights. On the one year anniversary of Matt asking Justin to say trans rights, Justin finally said it. Then, Matt made a poll asking other stans what he should have Justin say next, and lesbian rights won.
Around a month ago, Matt replied to one of Justinā€™s tweets, and Justin responded with something along the lines ofĀ ā€œhaha, i know this is just an attempt to get me to say lesbian rights,ā€ referencing the inside joke. People started commenting that the way he phrased it was a bit :/ so then he replied to his own tweet with something likeĀ ā€œwell, iā€™ll delete this before i get cancelled,ā€ and thatā€™s when things spiraled.
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[id: Justin Minā€™s tweet #1: i see that you are trying to butter me up to say lesbian rights, nice try, matt. nice try.
Justin Minā€™s tweet #2: oh, here we go. this is an inside joke between myself and matt, if youā€™ve been a part o fthis fandom for more than a few weeks. but alas, i will have to delete this now before iā€™m cancelled by the end of the day. keep loving, everyone.]
Lesbians get spoken over and looked down upon not only by straight people, but also the LGBT community. So when Justin tweeted that, lesbians were likeĀ ā€œthis sounds as if you care more about your own self image rather than our community.ā€ Then, non-lesbians got involved and started either a) calling Justin lesbophobic (which lesbians never did) or b) blindly defending Justin and saying he did nothing wrong.
(Side note: I am not a lesbian, and Iā€™m not trying to speak over lesbians in this situation. But I did talk about this to some of my friends who areĀ lesbians, and they told me that what Justin did wasnā€™t as big of a deal as Twitter made it out to be. These are their words, not mine. All I know is that it was definitely not bad-intentioned, just a huge misunderstanding.)
Anyway, Anna made a thread explaining to Justin why him defending himself came out as harmful towards the lesbian community, and then Justin apologised and that was it.
Which brings us back to yesterday (26/9/2020).
Everyone is freaking out, posting misinformation, panicking. I donā€™t exactly,,, know how, but the #justinminisoverparty hashtag started being used for actual hate towards Justin for deactivating, and some people (including Anna, though I think their tweet was in the context of a joke? please take this with a grain of salt though. update: it was in the context of a joke) mentioned that Justin is a lesbophobe.
A few hours later, Justin reactivated his account, tagged Anna, and said this (though it was actually his PR team, more on that later):
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[id: Justinā€™s Tweet: @ [redacted] quickly jumping back on here from my twt break because iā€™m receiving messages that youā€™re continuing to spread misinformation, so i want to clarify.]
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[id: Justinā€™s Tweets: 1. all of my interactions with you were deleted because of the need to set clear boundaries due to the fact that your incessant messages and replies from multiple accounts over the last several months were veering into stalking/harassment.
2. for someone who appears to pride themselves on reminding their friends/followers on a daily basis to be careful of the language they use on this app, you seem to be fine with flippantly labeling someone as homophobic/lesbophobic as if theyā€™re cute little adjectives to give to someone, not realizing that such labels have real-life consequences.]
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[id: Justinā€™s Tweets: 3. also noting here than in your original thread, you stated that you neither considered me nor my words to actually be lesbophobic, so a bit confused as to why your story has suddenly changed.
4. i realize youā€™re young, so iā€™m genuinely hoping you use this opportunity to learn and grow andbe a little more mindful the next time you decide to tweet.]
The next twenty minutes were pure chaos. Justin deactivated again, everyone started freaking out because that was very out of character for him. People were cancelling him because this could have easily been resolved in DMs, or tweeted without the mention of Anna (a minor) from a mainstream Twitter account.
And then, Justin Min DMed another fan on Instagram (her name is Em) about the situation.
Who is Em? For starters, Iā€™d like to say that I personally know Em and that sheā€™s one of my best friends. Iā€™ve known her for more than a year now, and I can personally vouch for her. Everything that she posted is 100% true (if you want the thread where she posts proof of the DMs, please send me a different ask because Iā€™m scared tumblr will not post this in the tag if I include it here).
The reason Justin DMed her out of all people is because he also kinda knows her? As I mentioned, Justin interacts with us on Twitter a lot, and Em is the one person heā€™s responded to the most, so he knows who she is. (Heā€™s tagged her more times than other cast members, at least before all his tweets were deleted by his PR team.)
Anyway, this is what Em tweeted:
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[id: Emā€™s tweets: please read this !!!
justin dmed me on instagram and basically the gist of it is that he hired a pr team and they tweeted the thread at anna without knowing everyone could see it. all of the tweets being deleted/ him deactivating was also them.]
Below is the image Em attached to the tweet:
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[id: Justinā€™s DM to Em: hey. this is justin. iā€™m just hearing about whatā€™s happening on twitter right now. for context, i was asked to work with a team of people toĀ ā€œclean upā€ my twitter in the past few weeks. theyā€™ve taken the liberty of deleting a bunch of my responses and posts in order to safeguard me (whatever that means) as well as deactivating my account to comb through other things.i believe they accidentally sent anna a message and mistakenly believed the function for her to comment only would mean that she would be the only one to see it as well. needless to say, iā€™m no longer working with this team and want to personally apologize to her. do you know any way i can get into contact with her?]
And then, in a follow-up tweet:
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[id: Emā€™s text at Justin: sorry for dming you again. is there any other way i can help? i just feel really bad about this whole thing and i know how quickly this stuff can spread if itā€™s not taken care of
Justinā€™s text: i mean, i guess you can share the information iā€™ve given you? itā€™ll take a bit of time for me to take back ownership on everything as i sever ties with that team, so maybe the sooner the better people know.
Emā€™s text: okay ! is it okay if i tweet a screenshot
Justinā€™s text: sure.]
Then Justinā€™s account got reactivated an hour ago (almost 24hs after Emā€™s tweets), and he tweeted this:
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[id: Justinā€™s tweet: hi. itā€™s me. thank you for all your messages. this has been an incredibly tough week for me on multiple fronts. some things you might already be aware of; many other things you donā€™t know about.asking for a bit of privacy as i take sometime to unplug. hoping to be back soon.]
And thatā€™s all, I think? Thereā€™s lots we donā€™t know about what happened yet, so please please please try not to spread misinformation. This is a stressful situation for us on Twitter, and especially for Justin, and misinformation going around is the last thing we need right now.
tl;dr: Justin Min hired a PR Team that started deleting all of his tweets and deactivated his account. Misinformation started spreading, people started cancelling Justin for no reason. The PR Team decided to respond to Anna, made the response public, deactivated again. Justin DMed Em and explained the situation, and an hour ago, he reactivated and said heā€™s taking a small break to sort things out.
If anyone has any other questions/clarifications, my askbox is open! Hope this shed some light on the situation <3
UPDATE 28/9/2020: Justin has DMed and apologised to Anna for the situation, and Anna has accepted the apology. Anna posted all of it on their account, but again, if you want a link, send me an ask!
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douwatahima Ā· 3 years ago
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Turns out I have some more feelings about the manga I finished yesterday. Not naming it so this doesnā€™t end up in the tags. Please donā€™t read this, lol. The fourteen year old version of me jumped out.
I think the thing that bugged me most about this last stretch of DN Angel is how much it felt like Yukiru Sugisaki was just...done with the whole thing. Like everything felt very rushed towards a specific, easy conclusion that didn't address a lot of the interesting pieces she had previously laid down.
Like, I remember reading those last few chapters before the eight year long hiatus and HOLY SHIT there was so much! The Dark/Risa relationship all of a sudden becomes an actual threat, not just to Daisuke/Riku, but to Daisuke himself! Satoshi completely lets his guard down around Daisuke, trusting that the person he loves will make this huge sacrifice for him, and when Daisuke refuses he POINTS A GUN TO HIS OWN HEAD. AND THEN WHEN HE GETS CAUGHT HE GOES OFF INTO THE FOREST WITH. THE. GUN!!! AND THEN!!!! RIKU FINDS OUT DAISUKE IS DARK!!!!!!!! IT'S WILD AS FUCK!!!!!!!!
And then we come back and a lot of this is immediately dealt with in a comedic fashion and we just move on. Dark and Daisuke don't talk about that Risa interaction. No one goes after Satoshi. Daisuke comes up with some excuse and Riku is satiated for now.
Then we got the whole dream circus arc. Which was honestly alright. I enjoyed Daisuke coming to terms with the fact that he cannot separate himself from Dark. They are one and the same, for better or worse. And honestly, at first I thought this arc was going to lead us somewhere interesting. Because if Daisuke and Dark now understand that they are a package deal, how do they deal with the whole Riku and Risa thing???? (The answer is they basically don't but I'll get there). I was 100% ready to love this arc and then they did...the thing and I...
Okay, look. Full disclosure, I've been a DN Angel fan since I was like, fourteen. It is linked to me in a way that can only happen when you're obsessed with something at the height of your awkward teen years. And the thing that continues to be my favourite part of the whole story is the relationship between Satoshi and Daisuke. They were my number one ship, not just at fourteen, but...honestly probably through all of my teen years. Like, remember when people used to make jokes on this website about someone asking about your otp and you pull out your binder of reasons? I literally made a Satodai binder. That's not a joke. They were it for me.
And, don't get me wrong, there was never a point where I honestly thought the manga was gonna have Daisuke leave Riku and end up with Satoshi. I dreamed about it, but didn't honestly expect it. BUT I loved the way the manga addressed Satoshi's feelings for Daisuke. This is someone who Satoshi treasures above all others. The person who makes him believe the world can be better. The person he would do ANYTHING for. Like, Satoshi LOVES him.
Which is why it's so frustrating to me that Yukiru Sugisaki decided it would be better for Satoshi to have a two second dream about Risa that changes all of his feelings instantaneously. Like, I'm not here to shit on Satoshi/Risa fans, and I'm happy y'all got your ship. Honestly. But, the two of them have barely spoken before this and then Satoshi has a dream and literally says, "oh I guess my feelings have changed now" like...two volumes before the end! AND THEN THEY DON'T EVEN TALK UNTIL THE VERY END OF THE SERIES. FOR WHAT????
It honestly just read to me as, the mangaka wanted to end the series and Satoshi continuing to be into Daisuke was too emotionally complicated to quickly wrap up so he loves Risa now. And hey, that clears up the whole Dark/Risa thing, right? I'll get to that.
ANYWAY, so then we jump into an elongated story about some past Niwa/Hikari drama which would've been fun if I hadn't been growing more and more confused as I noticed how few chapters were left and we were STILL ON THIS. Like, I love when DN Angel gives us fun new characters to talk about. Hell, the Freedert arc and the Argentine arc are two of my favourites. But, when you only have a limited amount of time...It just felt like this was something Yukiru Sugisaki was maybe sitting on for awhile so she didn't want to skip it, but she also wanted to finish the story as soon as possible so the ending comes IMMEDIATELY after which makes this whole arc feel...weird. Like...we could've spent our last few chapters on the characters we know and love but...instead...
Then we get to the endgame. So, quick poll, do we think the mangaka already had this ending in mind before the anime came out or do we think she decided to do the anime ending because she had no idea how to finish the story. I'm really not sure, but either way it felt soooo anticlimactic given that we've had the anime ending for almost 20 years. Like...what was I waiting around for if you were just gonna do the same thing????? And look, I honestly never finished the anime because I couldn't stand the way they chose to characterize some of my favourite characters (most notably Satoshi and Risa) and I'd read what the ending was and hated it lol. But I digress.
The thing about the ending that gets me most is that it all comes on so fast. Like, you wanna do the anime ending? Okay. Don't love the idea, but okay. BUT it all happens in like... 2-3 chapters. Like, all of a sudden the Black Wings is sucking up power from the artwork and, oh no, here comes Krad ready wreck shop. And then we, randomly at THE END OF THE MANGA find out Satoshi's adopted Dad is actually his real Dad and also he's a piece of artwork which makes Satoshi half a piece of artwork???? Why are you telling us this now???? Then Satoshi and Daisuke seal Dark and Krad into the Black Wings the end. Like...????? That's it?????
OH ALSO I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE HARADA TWINS ARE MOVING TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. HONESTLY PROBABLY BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE YUKIRU SUGISAKI FORGOT TOO SINCE THERE'S NO CLOSURE ON THAT?????? (Honestly, I'm laughing because I literally forgot about this fact until just now. AGAIN WHAT WAS THE REASON LMAO!!!)
Okay, so the story's done but where does it leave our favourite characters???
Daisuke and Riku have figured their shit out and are...presumably going to do long distance??? Idk, they never really address whether they're staying together or not as far as I can remember???? Like, this is the relationship I thought we would get the most closure on but ?????????
Risa just gets to be sad for awhile I guess. It's honestly so infuriating to me that we got this awesome moment before the hiatus where Dark asked Risa if she would love him no matter what and she says yes with her WHOLE CHEST and that's enough for Dark to almost, like, take over Daisuke's body permanently. Like, her love for Dark is as real as Riku's love for Daisuke but she's not allowed to have a happy ending like her sister. She gets to see Dark one last time where he kisses her and hopes she'll always be his best girl and then he flies off into the night while she begs him not to leave. Then, she gets to cry in the street, trying to remember him while everyone else is forgetting. Well, at least she has Satoshi, right????
But like, we don't even know if she likes Satoshi that way. There's been...no indication that she does as far as I know. And as he's hugging her, Satoshi is having these thoughts hoping she'll be able to remember Dark because he knows how meaningful he is to her. So their ending is LITERALLY Risa gets to be horribly heartbroken and Satoshi gets to pine for someone else who, at this point, doesn't love him back.
Like, once again not to shit on Satoshi/Risa fans but...is this the ending y'all wanted????? Because as someone who stans them both this just felt horrible. It reads as a feeble attempt to "pair the spares" (since in the story the mangaka wanted to tell, neither of them could be with who they originally loved) but, like, even then this is the saddest way to do that. OH! And once again, if Risa is moving, ARE THEY EVEN GOING TO BE TOGETHER????? Like, what are we supposed to get from this what is the REASON??????
And then there's Dark and Krad being stuck in the Black Wings for eternity. The biggest reason I didn't like this ending in the anime. Like, look. I get that you have to end your manga somehow. BUT if your plan was to reunite Dark and Krad in this way I don't understand why you would write a whole interaction, mere chapters before, having Dark say that that's the LAST thing he wants to do. HE SAYS THAT THEY AREN'T THE SAME ANYMORE AND THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO RETURN TO HIM. AND THEN HE'S FORCED TO DO JUST THAT. FOR. WHAT?????
Like, Dark isn't a villain. He's one of our main protagonists and has been this whole time. I get that in stories sometimes characters have sad endings. (I've already argued that I think both Satoshi and Risa's endings were bittersweet at best). But to have Dark say mere chapters before it happens that he categorically DOES NOT want to rejoin Krad and then force him to do just that feels like such a needlessly cruel thing to do to this character we're meant to love.
Once again, it just felt so much like Yukiru Sugisaki wanted to end the series as quickly as possible. I get her wanting to come back to it; she's kinda notorious for not finishing things so I get the impulse to just drive through and get at least one story done. But, it felt like so many things were skipped over or changed just because it made getting to the end goal easier and less complicated. Not addressing some of the cool shit she laid down before the hiatus, completely morphing Satoshi's feelings in a dream, writing off Risa's feelings for Dark, telling us all of the Satoshi backstory stuff at the last goddamn minute, giving Dark his worst nightmare as an ending, so many of these things done just to move things along towards a specific end goal as fast as possible.
Honestly, there's a part of me that wishes she hadn't come back and finished it at all. I was happy enough with the ending I had written in my head and would've preferred it to what we ended up getting ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ. Anyway, to anyone who actually read this (and a part of me hopes no one does lmao) thanks for listening to me ramble. And if you're a Satoshi/Risa fan, uh, sorry I hated on your ship lol. You're cool.
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luffyvace Ā· 10 months ago
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Obanai x chubby gn reader!!
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This won third place in the poll so here you go<3 enjoy kny/obanai stans!! I actually like obanai very much heā€™s one of my favs from kny i just donā€™t talk abt him often
also just for the record letā€™s say this is a au where obanai and mitsuri are close friends :)
In this youā€™ll be a hashira as well
I donā€™t think Obanai is one to judge
especially when he wears bandages since people do
if anything heā€™s worrying about his looks
so in this case itā€™s not that he dislikes it, itā€™s just that he saw through your physical appearance and went for personality
and if you have a crappy one?
well then he doesnā€™t know what draws him to you but somethinā€™ does!
he tolerates no disrespect from anyone.
like we all know how sharp tongued he is- šŸ˜œ
and just because heā€™s one of the ā€œweakerā€ hashiraā€™s doesnā€™t mean heā€™s not one!
he is DEFINITELY above average and CAN do damage
so somebody would be a FOOL to see you with him and decide to screw around and find out
as well as you!!
your strong too!
and theyā€™d better have respect for you!
getting one tapped by two hashiras donā€™t sound very fun to me..
šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø
but yeah if someone is like drunk off theyā€™re end and tries to insult or harass you?!
obanai steps in before you can even do something yourself
depending on the level of what they said or did,
he either flames them so bad they canā€™t recover
or straight up punches them
maybe even beating them up
whoā€™s going to stop him? The police? šŸ˜‚
he calls it self defense
tbh it was like, that person was harassing you????
šŸ¤Ø
bro thought he was gon let that slide
this why you canā€™t pull up on everybody šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø
anyway if your feeling sad bc of what someone says
obanai gets you a gift to make you feel better
Heā€™s really thoughtful and pays attention/remembers everything you tell him you like
which makes perfect gifts for situations like these
ngl this is like idk the year 1500?? IDK BUT ITS THE TAISHO ERA SO THIS WAS A WHILE AGO
which means beauty standards were šŸ“ˆšŸ“ˆ
but for obanai? You ARE his beauty standard šŸ˜šŸ˜
everyone should strive to look like our majestic (name)!!
as far as the hashiraā€™s opinionsā˜ļø
they donā€™t mind at all and are completely nonjudgmental
gyomei canā€™t see so when yā€™all described how you look it doesnā€™t necessarily make a difference šŸ˜… although, again he doesnā€™t mind :)
mitsuri is literally the love hashira she adores you just as much as obanai does <3
shinobu is more mature than to make fun of someone over theyā€™re appearance
now tokito will either
1) be rude at first (the hashiraā€™s have to set him straight)
2) wonā€™t care
3) likes you from jump so he doesnā€™t mind
sanemi would never judge a women like that (if you know what he did for mitsuri and shinobu and theyā€™re uniforms yk what I mean)
Giyuu is completely unfazed
Rengoku loves you all the same
now uzuiā€¦ā€¦.bc of his standards and 3 wivesā€¦.it can either go one of two ways
1) him and obanai are now mortal enemies and he keeps you away from him
2) he thinks your THICC and FINE šŸ’– (dis one better fr)
Ngl itā€™s even worse if a demon insults you
bc now he gets to KILL them
He goin all out too
who are they to talk anyway demons be the most horrendous looking BEASTS-
fluff time~ šŸ’•šŸ’—šŸ’–ā™„ļøŽā™”
obanai loves to cuddle!
heā€™s shy but once you get sometime into the relationship he likes gentle and intimate affections such as cuddling, hugging & hand holding
he holds you in his arms before falling asleep
and he makes sure you sleep first
If you have a nightmare heā€™s on it!
heā€™s got water, blankets, comfort foodā€¦what else you need??
on it! šŸƒšŸ’Ø
Thatā€™s literally him
heā€™s always prioritizing your comfort and happiness in your relationship ā˜…
Get this to the obanai stans, tumblr!! Go go go!!
;3 - Brook
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makeste Ā· 5 years ago
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BnHA Chapter 256: Fucking Superb You Funky Little Hero Eggs
Previously on BnHA: Aizawa and Micā€™s frankensteined best friend Shirakumo, better known to us as Kurogiri, had his memories briefly restored through the Power of Friendship, and was all ā€œYO Yā€™ALLS BETTER GO CHECK OUT THOSE HOSPITALSā€ before his head started steaming like a tea kettle and he randomly fell asleep. Aizawa and Mic were all ā€œ!!ā€ and Aizawa was all ā€œ(ą²” ļ¹ ą²”)ā€ and Mic was all ā€œAizawa are you cryingā€ and Aizawa was like ā€œNO!!!ā€ and then they left the prison and Nao called HPSC Lady who called Hawks and was all ā€œeck-chay ethay ospitals-hayā€ because Hawks, as you recall, is still a secret agent and all that. Anyway so Hawks was all ā€œEUREKA!!ā€ in his head which doesnā€™t really add up but hey, and then the chapter ended with Dr. Ujiko dancing in sadistic glee as he watched Tomura get all mad scienced. It was pretty freaky. I could use some wholesomeness right about now so letā€™s see if this chapter will deliver.
Today on BnHA: Class 1-A shows off the fresh skills they learned during their assorted internships, such as ā€œdeterminationā€, ā€œenhanced search techniquesā€, and ā€œbecoming a literal blob of acid.ā€ The Wonder Trio is a particular highlight, and All Might is all ā€œmy little baby off to destroy people :ā€™)ā€ as he watches Deku shred a robot to pieces using Blackwhip. We then cut to Aizawa and Mic, who may or may not be planning some rogue vigilante style investigations of the whole Noumu thing, or maybe theyā€™re just brooding, but either way theyā€™re interrupted by Mirio and Tamaki who come running in to get them to stop Eriā€™s quirk from going haywire, which, yikes. The chapter then ends with All Might handing Deku a notebook full of DETAILED, CATALOGED INFO ABOUT THE PAST SUCCESSORS AND THE FUCKING SIXQUIRKS. We just have to wait two more weeks to find out what thatā€™s all about. 2020ā€™s got some fucking zip to it so far huh.
so itā€™s about a quarter past 7 right now and itā€™ll be a miracle if I can have this recap up by 10pm tonight. surprisingly the wait for this chapter didnā€™t really bother me, but this Sunday/Monday release schedule is really doing a number on my punctuality. but anyways weā€™ll figure it out eventually. if memory serves, thereā€™s about a 90% chance that this weekā€™s jump will also be a double issue, so that gives me another extra week to get my shit together lol
(ETA: so that wasnā€™t too far off actually! I think a three-hour turnaround time isnā€™t bad for 3000 words lol. and actually it was more like two hours of reading/blogging and one hour of editing/photo cropping. anyway so in all likelihood either Sunday or Monday night releases will become the norm, depending entirely on how busy that particular Sunday is. not quite the same as getting the chapter on Friday and having the whole weekend to ruminate over it but we will adjust!)
anyway, so Iā€™m somehow remarkably unspoiled for this chapter despite it having been out for nearly a week and a half at this point. so thatā€™s something! letā€™s see what weā€™ve got here
yaaaay my babies
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All Might was offering free cotton candy, yes? I didnā€™t expect weā€™d cut right back to this lol, but you sure wonā€™t see me complaining. I want to see what everyone else learned during their internships, and also what with the break and the last couple chapters being Tartarus-focused, itā€™s been about a month since I last saw my little hero eggs, and of course I missed them Iā€™m only human
omg
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did the original dialogue really reference Skynet. Horikoshi truly gives no fucks about copyright. like one or two episodes ago the anime made some copyrighted reference which you could clearly hear in the Japanese but which the English subs hilariously glossed right over. Iā€™m trying to remember what it was now. damn. anyways we millennials can never resist a good pop culture reference, facts
OH MY GOD AOYAMA
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THEYā€™RE EATING THE COTTON CANDY
TOKOYAMI EATING COTTON CANDY IS THE GREATEST THING TO HAPPEN IN 2020 THUS FAR. LET ME TELL YOU, WE REALLY NEEDED THIS
SHOUTO EATING COTTON CANDY IS THE SECOND BEST THING TO HAPPEN IN 2020. IT WAS VERY CLOSE
I STALLED FOR TIME SO MUCH AND I STILL DONā€™T KNOW WTF TO SAY ABOUT AOYAMAā€™S NEW ATTACK OH MY GOD. JUST. I DONā€™T KNOW YOU GUYS. THIS BOY IS REALLY OUT HERE SLICING ROBOTS IN HALF WITH HIS BRAND NEW LASER PENIS. THE AMOUNT OF FUCKS THAT HORIKOSHI GIVES IS IN THE NEGATIVES I DONā€™T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY
OH ARE YOU STILL GOING
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is... whatā€™s... ldkfj okay nothing to see here guys just the naked invisible chick getting all friendly with Aoyamaā€™s beam boner. just manhandling his sparkle shaft. there are children reading this manga. I mean, theyā€™re already mentally scarred from all the dead dogs and child quirk wine and whatnot, but still at what point do we put our goddamn foot down
anyway so somehow sheā€™s redirecting his laser beam?? I guess with her light refracting quirk skills?? great job Hagakure with your help Aoyama can finally shoot lasers at stuff thatā€™s behind him. youā€™ve mastered the power of making it so that he doesnā€™t have to turn around great job truly an internship well spent
ā€œnow I can yank light and warp it!ā€ you go girl now you can whip that thing around like itā€™s a fucking fire hose I guess
YOOOOO MINA!!
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THIS GIRL LITERALLY COATED HERSELF IN ACID AND DID A FUCKING BARREL ROLL AHHHHHHHHH. NOW THATā€™S MORE LIKE IT, NO OFFENSE TO CAPTAIN DISCO DONG AND COMMODORE ā€œI CAN DO EVERYTHING A MIRROR CAN DOā€ BUT THERE ARE UPGRADES AND THERE ARE UPGRADES, AND LETā€™S FACE IT, THIS IS THE REAL DEAL HERE
AHAHAHA I LOVE ITTTTT
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is it too late for Mina to actually change her name to Acidman. what is she calling herself now again?? Pinky?? come on Mina strike some fear into the hearts of your enemies
and now All Might and the others are applauding. I donā€™t see Shoutoā€™s cotton candy anymore. boy fucking inhaled that shit
oh wow, they interned under Yoroi Musha? if memory serves me, and Iā€™m honestly not going to bother to check right now, isnā€™t that the samurai dude who somehow beat Ryuukyuu in the billboard charts? not that Iā€™m still salty about that, oh wait I absolutely am but anyways
OH MY
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IS THAT SOME KIRIMINA CONTENT UP IN MY PANELS. hot damn that is some cute fucking shit. Mina better not get any undue hate for this. everyone please remain calm this cute interaction does not threaten your ship in any way (unless you want it to in which case have at!!) and we can all have fun if we just play nice you guys
lmao All Might
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ā€œWEā€™RE ALREADY ON PAGE FOUR AND THERE ARE TWENTY OF YOU, WE DONā€™T HAVE ALL FUCKING DAY CHILDRENā€
so Satou and Ojiro learned how to punch harder and stuff. again, itā€™s fine, we canā€™t all be Acid Men. but meanwhile they interned with some lion guy named Shishido whom I INSTANTLY LOVE so thatā€™s badass. only one character away from Shishida though, but thatā€™s Horikoshi for you
OH MY GOD
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BLAH BLAH YES ENHANCED SEARCH TECHNIQUES ZZZZZ BUT FUCKING LOOK THOUGH AT THE FLASHBACK OF HIM YEETING THEM, YESSSSSS. THE OLD WAYS HAVE NOT YET BEEN FORGOTTEN, GANG ORCA YOU ARE THE HERO WE DESERVE
meanwhile Sero, Kami, and Mineta learned how to literally kill people with their quirks flkdjsflk
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(ETA: btw I really love that Mt. Ladyā€™s internship emphasized teamwork. now thereā€™s someone whoā€™s come a really long way her own self. anyway I stan and she had better join the other two in the the top 10 real soon. come on BnHA society get with it.)
damn Mt. Lady what the fuck. ā€œif you guys work together you can suffocate and electrocute villains to death with ease!ā€ the governmentā€™s plan really is working huh; these children have become bloodthirsty, ruthless killers in a shockingly short period of time
anyways so Iida as we all recall learned how to be more footloose and fancy free, and meanwhile Kouda learned ā€œsmooth communicationā€ from Wash, the literal washing machine man whom I also donā€™t still harbor a grudge against for inexplicably beating my dragon queen in the hero polls, and once again that is a lie because fuck you Wash! youā€™re adorable but fuck you!!
man this is taking forever why are there so many kids in this class. for anyone wondering why Horikoshi doesnā€™t focus on class 1-A as a whole more often and leaves them as supporting characters, this right here is why. I love these children to death but we would still be stuck in the basement arc. oh my god I just shuddered
Tokoyami mastered ā€œimprovement on all frontsā€ because I guess he kind of peaked at flying when it came to new moves huh. thatā€™s fine for now
and Kiri mastered ā€œmaking baddies lose the will to fight real quickā€ which sounds like some bullshit youā€™d write while desperately trying to pad your hero resume, except that itā€™s accompanied by this convincing panel of him chomping a steel bar in two or some shit which YIKES
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can confirm, if some demonic rock man came trotting up to me and snapped off some railing from some stairs and fucking snapped it like a twig with his GIANT FOSSILIZED DINOSAUR TEETH, Iā€™d lose my will to fight pretty quickly too
and Ochako and Tsuyu learned ā€œdeterminationā€ smdh. Horikoshi did you fucking fall asleep towards the end of this segment or what
WHO IS MAJESTIC OMG
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excuse me did she just create a bunch of fucking dynamites. is that what those are. is my girl encroaching on my young sonā€™s turf. because if she is, ENCROACH, MOMO, ENCROACH! FEEL FREE TO FUCKING IMPINGE, EVEN!! god, and I know I was bitching just a moment ago about these ā€œlessonsā€ becoming increasingly vague and intangible and motivational poster-y, but I read Momo and ā€œpredicting and acting efficientlyā€, and my thoughts immediately ran to Nighteye and Mirioā€™s fighting styles, and I was like ā€œYESSSSSSSSSā€ because, I mean. YES, though
meanwhile Kacchan has learned...
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this fucking -- I swear -- YOU LEARNED WHAT YOUR FUCKING HERO NAME IS GOING TO BEĀ YOU TROLLING PIECE OF SHIT. oh my god. Katsuki I swear to god I will take your internet privileges. NO SRIRACHA FOR A WEEK UNLESS YOU TELL ME WHAT IT IS
oh for fuckā€™s sakes
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donā€™t mind him he learned boom with five bā€™s and three ooā€™s what did you all do this week. and somehow Todoroki learned how to be even more fabulous
so All Mightā€™s looking on in pride and giving Endeavor some mental props, and waiting for Deku to go do his thing too
sdfkj heā€™s thinking about the day he gave Deku THE HAIR and that ā€œ[it] feels like ancient history now.ā€ DOESNā€™T IT THOUGH?
OH MY FEELS
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ā€œyou donā€™t look back at me anymore... and you donā€™t need to.ā€ oh Aizawaā€™s dry eye has spread to me now huh. must be those January allergies. and thatā€™s some nice bloop there kid. great jorb
someone tell All Might heā€™s not allowed to look on at Deku with this much fatherly love without giving me at least a weekā€™s notice in advance
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sigh. now youā€™ve done it you two Iā€™m going to become a big cat blob of feels right here and itā€™s all on you. you did this
oh my god a whole big panel of reactions from the other kids and Iā€™mĀ ( ĖŠįµ•Ė‹ )
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lol Kacchan canā€™t agree with anything even if itā€™s a compliment. and lmao, who the fuck was that who was all ā€œTODOROKI FINALLY YOUā€™RE A FAST FUCKING HIMBO HUH!ā€ like they really went and put that ā€œfinallyā€ in there, like they were so fucking tired of Todoroki Shouto and his LANGUID FUCKING PACE all the fucking time, GOD, FINALLY SOME SPEED BOY WE WERE DYING OUT HERE
Mineta being happy for Deku also warms my heart, ngl. weā€™ve gone almost an entire chapter with Mineta not doing anything even remotely perverted, can it be, has Horikoshi finally chilled the fuck out. or did I just jinx it we shall see
also love how Deku is just reduced to an inkblot here and it still is him beyond any shadow of a doubt. and poor Sero, you are also being impinged on huh
lmao Minetaā€™s just socking Deku in the solar plexus out of comradery and Dekuā€™s fucking vomiting on reflex and not even paying the slightest attention wtf
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I love this panel there I said it
so heā€™s going over and thanking Ochako for ā€œthat timeā€ and says heā€™s using Blackwhip a lot better now. I assume heā€™s referring to when he first unlocked it and went hog wild and she was all ā€œsmhā€ and went and hugged him to put an end to that nonsense
oh, right!!!!
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I forgot about those!! looool Horikoshiā€™s 2020 resolution is to make everyone Spider-Man now huh. hey everyone guess what I LOVE THIS
oh my god this wholesomeness
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I fucking canā€™t?? yo Iā€™m seriously living for this? I donā€™t get why some people think Deku inhibits Ochakoā€™s character growth tbh. or that her story is becoming all about him. if it is, then itā€™s in the same way that Bakugouā€™s is. Deku keeps inspiring her to be better, ainā€™t nothing wrong with that. yes she has the crush, and sheā€™s honest with herself and in tune with her emotions enough to be aware of it and to acknowledge it, but she refuses to be distracted by it. I actually really like that, because it shows that romantic feelings can actually exist and not be the central focus of a characterā€™s story or their development. and I think the fear is that it somehow will become the focus, but so far I havenā€™t seen that happening, so it seems unwarranted to me
anyway
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shitā€™s cute
oh no Minetaā€™s doing something weird I fucking did jinx it Iā€™m sorry guys. itā€™s a fucking fistbump dude relax
so All Might seems to be dismissing them now, and heā€™s saying something about how he reordered (?? rescheduled, maybe??) class so that Aizawa can watch later. thatā€™s nice. heā€™ll need something to cheer him up, and if Acidman canā€™t do the trick I donā€™t know what can
and now weā€™re cutting back to the dorms!! dorm shenanigans yessssss
oh no shit wait
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these are not playful dorm shenanigans these are depressed Miczawa shenanigans to bring me down. nnnn
but Aizawa fucking knows something is up now, shit. thatā€™s right son your babies are in danger
KLJKLGLKSH
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okay (1) HOW HOT IS AIZAWA THOUGH HOW DOES HE ALWAYS DO THIS
and (2) is ā€œhave a karaoke contestā€ code for ā€œfuck shit upā€ or what. son of a bitch, having these two so personally invested in the Noumu arc now is such an unexpected and wonderful gift
MIRIO NO
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(ETA: but you all know Aizawa was about to sayĀ ā€œIā€™d go and fuck shit upā€ though.)
I LOVE YOU BOTH BUT THEY WERE HAVING A SEXY ANGSTING MOMENT, MIRIO CAN YOU NOT READ THE ROOM!! DO YOU NOT SEE THEM BEING ALL ANGSTY AND DARKLY CONTEMPLATIVE!! YOU TWO OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW WHEN LOVERS ARE BONDING OVER THEIR ANGST WHICH ONLY THE TWO OF THEM UNDERSTAND! FUCKING GODDAMN
NO!!!!!
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[SLAMS HANDS ON TABLE] HORIKOSHI I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU LAY ONE FINGER ON HER PRECIOUS HEAD
NOOOO MY SWEET BABY GIRL
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oh my fuck that sweater is the cutest fucking thing and this girl has had no shortage of cute outfits let me tell you. BUT ANYWAY SHEā€™S SCARED AND CRYING NOOOO. holy shit her horn is fucking huge now I donā€™t feel comfortable with this at all, and Nejire is Best Mom for not giving a single fuck and holding and comforting her regardless of the risk, I love her so much
OH THANK GOD
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PALPABLE RELIEF. boys Iā€™m sorry it was wrong of me to yell, you did the right thing interrupting their sexy brooding
BREAK ROOM AHHHHH THE SCOOBY SQUAD LIVES AGAINNNN
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it means you constantly amaze him!! you have so much potential he doesnā€™t even know what the limit might possibly be! donā€™t act like you donā€™t love it. or stop being so suspicious and trying to look for the hidden meaning and just accept the praise for what it is. you did good. now ask him if heā€™s heard any news about Best Jeanist :/
!!
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thatā€™s right, he was researching and making faces a while back, are we finally gonna find out what all that was about??
DSLFKAJSLDKFH
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HE MADE A NOTEBOOK FOR HIM AHHHHHHHH HE KNOWS WHAT HE LIKES THIS IS AMAZING
DOES HIM GIVING HIM THE INFO IN NOTEBOOK FORM MEAN ITā€™S UP TO DEKU WHETHER OR NOT HE WANTS TO SHARE THIS INFO WITH KACCHAN. HMMM. OBVIOUSLY HE WILL, BUT THATā€™S A REAL POWER MOVE THOUGH, DAMN
ā€œPAST SUCCESSORS / QUIRKSā€ EVERYONE, THIS BOOK CONTAINS THE SECRETS OF THE SIXQUIRKS. AND THE PREVIOUS OFA AVATARS. THATā€™S FINE Iā€™M JUST GONNA. ...Iā€™LL BE FINE. FOR TWO WEEKS. FUCK
shit. well I know it was coming, thatā€™s another reason why I didnā€™t feel particularly rushed to read this chapter lol. I kinda wish Iā€™d had the foresight to save the Korean scanlation though, just to compare. ah well itā€™s probably still lying around somewhere
and lol and hereā€™s the bonus page, and this one I did see floating around tumblr haha
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Iā€™m not sure how the three smartest kids in class are all present and yet not one of them had the foresight to consider that maybe, just maybe, this could be a bad idea. letā€™s let the kid with the combustible sweat handle the mochi Iā€™m sure itā€™ll be -- [everyone immediately dies]. anyway so thatā€™s some good friendly advice from Horikoshi there. happy new year friends!
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Another Set of Updates
Okay, gonna try to keep this as brief as possible!
My poll regarding which Kidge-a-Palooza AU I should turn into a story proper is still available: [here]. Iā€™m gonna leave it up for another week or so, so please give it a vote if you havenā€™t already!
Chapter 4 of Here (In Your Arms) is up and available: [here].
Chapter 2 of Paint me in Trust is up and available: [here].
Chapter 2(6) of Time, Space and Everything Between is up and available: [here].
Since the update for Time, Space and Everything Between is up, I wanted to clarify a few things about where itā€™ll be going from hence forth. That information (spoiler free) can be found below for those that are interested.
Okay, so, confession time! This fic wasnā€™t supposed to become what it is now. Originally, I planned for this fic to be about six/ seven chapters and go in a somewhat different direction than it has. There was going to be an entire chapter dedicated just to the Kogane and Holt families bonding. The rescue of Shiro was going to go almost the same as it did in the series canon, with Keith being kept on Earth with his father using his camouflage device and entering the Garrison in hopes of snuffing out who the Blue Paladin was. The only big changes to it that I intended to make was Keith and Pidge knowing each other prior, Keith actually being a Galra, and when they head back to the shack, theyā€™re greeted by Papa Kogane. From there, I was planning to end the fic with them going through the wormhole and implying events played out mostly the same as canon. But, then I decided I didnā€™t really like that idea either, so then I thought Iā€™d go the route of letting Keith grow up with the Holtā€™s. Like, Ethan moving out there and Krolia leaving Keith on Earth to have a tradional human childhood.
As you can see, I didnā€™t end up doing any of that. And you may be wondering why.
Because the last season of Voltron left me that disappointed but I will admit I had issues with the show even before that Spit-in-the-Face ending but weā€™ll get there and I was raised by parents who said ā€œIf you donā€™t know how youā€™d improve something, you shouldnā€™t be the one to complain about it.ā€
Well, fine then. Iā€™m gonna do just that.
ALSO I WANT TO CLARIFY that I am NOT saying I could have written the show better than the show runners themselves! Iā€™ve never been in the position(s) they were in. I do, however, have the benefit of hindsight, which allows me to look at where the show succeeded and failed respectively, and take steps that I think would offer a more cohesive, enjoyable story-telling experience as a whole. I am taking the things that I, personally, took issue with, as well as some of the bigger things Iā€™ve seen the fandom at large take issue with. At the end of the day, though, most of these decisions will be made from my own personal desires/ whims (since, you know, ship-feels and all that jazz). I will, however, be open to criticism from any and all who read my fics, so please feel free to tell me what you think does or doesnā€™t work as we go along.
Iā€™m gonna break this down into four main categories down below; Things Iā€™m Adding, Things Iā€™m Cutting, Things Iā€™m Adjusting, and Cut Fic Content. All but one of these is pretty self-explanatory, I think, but I promise to explain that little oddity when we get there. Iā€™ll also touch on what and why I chose to approach certain things the way that I did.
Things Iā€™m Adding
Melenor and Garett
Queen Melenor is kind of an anomaly in the series, donā€™t you think? It was kind of implied throughout most of the series proper that she died while Allura was still pretty young, which would have made a lot more sense for both Alluraā€™s relationship with Alfor, as well as why Alfor was so distant from Zarkon when Daibazaal began tattering at the seams. But then Season 8 happened and threw all that out the window! All of a sudden, Melenorā€™s death suddenly carries this great significance for Allura, to the point she has a hallucination about her. Plus, it also kinda throws a wrench into scenes from the earlier seasons. Allura specifically says ā€œZarkon killed my Father and my Mother!ā€ butā€¦ If Melenor was killed by Zarkon, where was she during the fall of Altea? Why wasnā€™t she with her daughter and husband in the final moments? And it makes even less sense when you look at that first scene where Allura and Coran were introduced. There were eight pods there. You mean to tell me Alfor didnā€™t think it might be a good idea to save an extra body or two to help guide Allura as she steps into the role she will have to take once heā€™s gone? Or even to help with maintaining/ rebuilding the Castle of Lions?
So, Iā€™ve decided to add Melenor as a way to give some more characterization to not only she herself as a character, but also Alfor. Plus, I decided to make use of Garett (whose name I spell differently for reasons), Coranā€™s son from the original series, too. I think itā€™d be more fun to have an extra set of hands on board to help maintain the Castle of Lions and teach the Paladins, but maybe closer to their age range. So, weā€™ll see how things go with adding him to the roster. :3
Backstory for the Blades
This was something that we should have gotten a little bit of exposition on, considering how inflated their importance got. Like, the Blade became instrumental to the functionality of both Voltron and the Rebels due to their intelligence gathering. I think itā€™d have been kind of cool to see where it all started and what events in specific triggered it into becoming.
More Focus on Team Relationships
I didnā€™t really feel like the big victory against Zarkon was earned at the end of Season 2. I also didnā€™t think the team really earned any of their bigger victories, such as against Lotor and Honerva. They never felt like a real team that meshed because they just kinda stuck the same pairs/ clicks together. This was my biggest issue throughout most of the show and I really want to explore the dynamics we never really got to see. There are a few standout relationships that definitely needed some retooling, but Iā€™ll mention those farther down.Ā 
More Alien Worlds
Sci-fi and Fantasy are my big genres because I. Fudgin. Love seeing the designs for different technology, worlds and races. And while we did get some interesting ones with the series proper - which Iā€™ll be mostly still including - I wish weā€™d gotten to see more. So, because I have no self-control, Iā€™ll be planning to do that here!
Shiroā€™s Love Life
Shiro deserved better. I feel like thatā€™s kind of something that most of the fandom can agree on. I donā€™t say this from a place of hate for Curtis, though, becauseā€¦ Well, what is there to hate? He was a literal background character who did nothing, said maybe two lines of dialogue, and that was it. Considering how much they pushed Shiro being the rep for the LGBT+ crowd, they did literally nothing with his love life. Hell, Adam was only revealed as his fiance because Bex fought tooth and nail for them to say it! If they hadnā€™t pushed the way they did, it would have all been subtext.
So, Shiro is going to have a romantic side plot in this fic, where weā€™ll focus on him and the character Iā€™ve picked to be his partner.
Minor Side Romances
Some other little side pairings are gonna get a bit of love, here, too, since Voltron really only did the romance side of things well with, like, two couples. All the main couples are also gonna get plenty of spotlight, but I also think it would be fun to do some smaller side ships every now and then, too.
Things Iā€™m Cutting
Villain Roulette
There was way too much jumping back and forth between who our main villain to focus on was. Bam, itā€™s Zarkon! No, wait, now itā€™s Lotor! Just kidding, here comes Zarkon again! Except that it was actually Lotor! Or so you thought; itā€™s actually Honerva haha great prank amiright? It was exhausting and I think itā€™d be a lot simpler to justā€¦ Stick with one villain who controls the smaller monster-of-the-day bad guys for an extended period of time and, once theyā€™re for reals defeated, then move on to the next. Iā€™ll be taking this approach for the sake of not only having a more focused story, but also my own sanity. Iā€™ve never been good at gambling so trying the same thing as the show would probably turn out even worse for me.
Keithā€™s Excellent Blade Adventure with His Mommy
This is all unnecessary in this story, so we wonā€™t be doing it at all. Keithā€™s sorry purple tail is staying with Team Voltron; no buts, no fuss, no coconuts.
Shiroā€™s Illness and Adamā€™s Death
Adamā€™s death is something I could go on about for hours specifically because it seemed unfair and kinda petty. Like, I feel they killed him specifically because they couldnā€™t kill Shiro, and they wanted to amp up the Tragic Backstory for our prior leader. So, instead, thatā€™s getting the boot, as well as Shiroā€™s illness, since itā€™s also unneeded for plot convenience. Plus, it could have been nice to have a character that was willing to call Shiro out on the Atlus. Shiro always got treated like some kind of flawless entity, and I think itā€™d been nice to have someone call that Nice Guy Schtick out.
Allura and the Entity Plotline
This whole thing made no sense, got no proper development because of how late into the game they introduced it, and ended up being nothing more than a tool for them to kill Allura off. So, that can GTFO of my house post haste.
The Ending as a Whole
Some parts of the ending worked, but most of it just sucked. When the ending is so bad that it makes me feel obligated to stan characters I was ambivalent/ outright disliked? Yeah, gonna need to walk that back a bit.
Most of Seasons 3-6
The pacing in these seasons really was terrible. We derailed working on the team dynamic, building up the Coalition and Rebel forces, and developing the Paladinsā€™ characters to instead focus on all that shit with Lotor. Thatā€¦ Was infuriating. Especially considering it was all basically a waste.
Additionally, we had Keith sidelined and his arc - which was clearly going to be center around him learning how to be a leader - completely pushed aside and then treated as if it did happened when he showed up late with Starbucks at the end of Season 6. That felt really unbelievable to me.
Time Skips
There were way too many time skips, for serious. Especially when those time skips didnā€™t include any kind of change in development/ character for the team. Thereā€™ll be smaller time skips, but nothing as egregious as what we got in seasons 6 and 7.
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Lion Swap
Thisā€™ll still be happening, but the circumstances that trigger it will be different. I may also shift around who gets to take which Lion when we get to that point. I havenā€™t decided just yet, but Iā€™ll have it figured out before we reach that point. Most of this fic is already planned out and, honestly, the Lion Swap will be finalized once I figure out what Iā€™m doing with a few of the other characters.
Shiro and Keithā€™s Relationship
This, right here? This was one of my biggest issues with Voltron. Keith was completely codependent on Shiro, while Shiro clearly cared about Keithā€™s well-being but it always felt like heā€™d have been just fine if something similar to what happened to him happened to Keith. Itā€™s justā€¦ Really gross to me. It doesnā€™t help that I also find the whole ā€œDying for Your Loverā€ Trope ā€“ which Iā€™ve seen a lot of people praise The Black Paladins for implying - to be incredibly disgusting and unhealthy. Also Keithā€™s flagrant hypocrisy never getting called out bothers me a lot since I actually like when a character behaves in a hypocritical manner, since it feels organic, but it has to be called out because hypocrisy can lead to double-standards and create harmful environments and I need to stop for now
So, Keith and Shiro are still going to be close, but they arenā€™t going to be that close.
Keith and Alluraā€™s Relationship
Oh, look! Another potentially interesting aspect of the show that they kinda dropped the ball on! I really hated Alluraā€™s heel-turn on Keith when itā€™s revealed that heā€™s Galra in S2 because a) Itā€™s not like Keith himself knew this and was actively hiding it, and b) It felt out of character for the way Allura had been presented thus far. Her lashing out at Zarkon when she was captured made sense since he directly killed her father, her people and her planet. And I could understand being wary of the Blades ā€“ to the extent that she was in the first half ā€“ but after Keithā€™s heritage is revealed, sheā€™s completely cold to him and only seems to decide heā€™s a good guy when heā€™s willing to take on a potential suicide mission! They either needed to drag the animosity out and show it effecting Alluraā€™s ability to work with the team as a whole and also show the team sticking up for Keith because the fact that Hunk was the only one that said anything is kinda messed up like where tf was Shiro if he and Keith are oh so close? or they needed to tone Alluraā€™s attitude towards him back a bit more, have her approach him in a manner similar to how she addressed the Blade members; acknowledging he is there and contributing, but not praising or thanking him outright.
And since Keith presents and knows heā€™s part Galra from the start in this fic? Well, weā€™ll actually get to play around with that dynamic a little more. And while Iā€™m on the subject of our favorite Altean princessā€¦
Alluraā€™s Character Inconsistencies
Alluraā€™s character jumped around a lot in some of the earlier seasons and Iā€™d be willing to wager that this is because the writers never settled on an age for her. And I donā€™t mean during the big changes like her becoming a Paladin or Lotorā€™s betrayal, since itā€™d make sense she be shaken by situations that drastic. One minute, sheā€™s this composed, confident and well-spoken young leader doing the best she can. The next, sheā€™s a more temperamental sort who has low self-esteem/ confidence in her own abilities to even successfully contribute to a team. Now, I think I kniw what they were trying to do; they were trying to show that the more impulsive side of her is more genuine while the composed side is her trying to be the leader she is expected to be. I get it. They fixed this and improved on it later down the line, but they could have done better by maybe addressing it and using it as a chance to develop her relationship with another member or two of Team Voltron.
Season 2ā€™s Ending
The defeat of Zarkon happened way too soon. Especially since then, because they wanted to play around with Lotorā€™s intentions, they had to bring him back as a cyborg-zombie fueled by quintessence. Zarkon should have only been defeated once and then we should have been allowed to move on to the next main villain. As such, Iā€™m moving Zarkonā€™s defeat further down the line and will be modifying some of the consequences there in.
P Much Everything About Lotorā€™s Acr/ Motives
Lotorā€¦ Man, Lotor was confusing and a lot of wasted potential. They painted him as if they wanted him to be a morally grey villain, where he does terrible things for what he considers the betterment of others, but then, once itā€™s revealed that he was keeping secrets, he justā€¦ Goes full ham. He becomes Evil McAwful incarnate and it felt unrealistic. There were about 20 different directions they could have taken Lotor ā€“ before and after the reveal ā€“ and I just didnā€™t care for the approach they took. So, Iā€™ll be doing things a little different and seeing how that goes.
What Iā€™m Keeping from Seasons 3-6
Very, very little things are going to be kept from each of the aforementioned seasons and implemented in the fic. Iā€™m not planning to keep too many of the big plot moments because they all bled into the issues I had with the story as it stood on its own. I will, however, take some of the small things from those three seasons and include them here. This also applies to certain elements from the other seasons as well, but weā€™ll get there when we get there.
Adopting Kosmo
Kosmo will be in this fic, come Hell or high water. He is the Best Boi and deserves to be here.
Cut Fic Content
Okay, so hereā€™s the weird one in this line up! As the title implies, thereā€™s some content that I have cut from the fic, even this early on. I actually have some of the Kogane-Holt bonding scenes still drafted up somewhere in my files. I removed them because I was worried that theyā€™d feel too much like filler. Thereā€™s also some scenes I started to work out from when I planned to have Keith grow up with Pidge and Matt; specifically including a scene where Krolia and Ethan talk about the idea and decide to commit.
Some of these ideas wonā€™t work in the fic as it stands now, though. I also, however, like the idea of putting it out for everyone to read. So, Iā€™m debating on making a separate one-shot collection of things that could have happened, or just adding them as the occasional buffer between the arcs of the story. Iā€™ll make a poll when I get closer to the point of deciding how to proceed, so keep an eye out for that. :3
Thatā€™s all for now! I hope you all enjoy the updates and Iā€™ll hopefully be updating again sooner than this time!
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safflowerseason Ā· 5 years ago
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veep rewatch - 2.05
Season Two, Episode Five - Helsinki
aka - The One Where Selina SmokesĀ 
ā€œLook at you in your jammies!ā€
Mike: Itā€™s like a math prison. They rape you with numbers. Mikeā€™s colleague: Whatā€™s your voter registration ETA?ā€ Mike: Imminent..al.
ā€œIf Mike were here he would have spent the entire flight scratching Lotto tickets and going Oh, so closeā€¦ā€ A glimpse of Reid Scottā€™s truly psychopathic imitation skills.
ā€œThis isnā€™t a choice like my diet, itā€™s a necessity like my drinking.ā€Ā 
ā€œDonā€™t make any jokes, okay, Dan, because with your face and your attempt to be charming, it really does come off asā€¦as evil.ā€ Maybe this is why Dan never runs for office.Ā 
ā€œHel-synchronized.ā€Ā 
Kent: Your idea of crisis management is to scream Weā€™re fucked, bury me! Ben: Weā€™re fucked! Bury me!
I should probably out myself as a Minna-stan. I love Minna. Iā€™m also a giant international politics nerd, so I love whenever she makes an appearance and I love whenever Veep ventures out of the domestic and onto the global stage. Sally Phillips is divinely hilarious and I could watch her and JLD play off each other for days. And I love how they satirize Finland and its in-between place between Scandinavia and Russia (speaking as someone with dual citizenship with the US and a Scandinavian country.) This is a Minna fan-blog now. Nothing but love for Minna here.Ā 
Selina: We hope that when you come to our country, you will go fishing.Ā  Minna: ā€¦because no one will feed me?Ā 
Why is everyone pronouncing Sauron incorrectly? Soor-on? Are they Canadian?Ā 
ā€œChrist, I hate knowledge.ā€Ā 
ā€œHow lovely. That hasnā€™t happened in Washington since 1835.ā€ Selina, in response to Osmo kissing her hand.
Selina: So that song, unlike your career as Communications Director, will not die. So now you must go apologize for the apology. Dan: Yes, maā€™am. Selina: Why are you still standing right here?
ā€œWe should keep this causing offense and then apology cycle goingā€¦.You could step on my dress, I could sneeze in your drinkā€¦itā€™s funny.ā€ Sally Phillips is a treasure.Ā 
Danteeksi.
Kent to Sue: ā€œPlease accept the necessity of this as brute fact.ā€
Dan whining to Amy about his ill-fated career as Communications Director. Itā€™s almost not quite believable how terrible he is at it, but fundamentally, I think it highlights his professional ā€œboredomā€ that Amy mentioned in the previous episodeā€¦Danā€™s slowly checking out of Selinaā€™s office. He doesnā€™t really try to get back on the offensive with the multiple apologies thing, which seems singularly out of character. He doesnā€™t try to permanently become Selinaā€™s new Mike. Heā€™s a lot more concerned about how he looks this episode than how Selina looks, an indication that he no longer sees her image as VP and his professional reputation as intertwined, the way he used to. Heā€™s getting ready to jump ship.Ā 
Iā€™m sure itā€™s been said on Tumblr before, but Selinaā€™s horrified reaction to Osmo groping her totally belies her completely blasĆ© attitude to sexual harassment and assault in S7. I understand what they were trying to do with the concept of Selina-the-ultimate-misogynist more broadly, but...I think this approach so much more compelling. JLD absolutely slays with her performance. Itā€™s not that sheā€™s unaware or dismissive of sexual assault in politicsā€¦itā€™s that she thought she was safe from that kind of violence now as VP of the United States. She thought that bullshit was behind her.Ā 
Garyā€™s reaction to the grope is hilariously touching. ā€œOkayā€¦Iā€™m going to go mess him up!ā€
Dan: Jesus, Gary, you look leukemic. Gary: I always do, thatā€™s my look.Ā 
Dan: POTUS groped you?! Selina: No, POTUS wouldnā€™t have the balls to grope me.Ā  FWIW, Dan also grasps immediately the awful significance of Selina getting groped by the husband of the Finnish Prime Minister. Both thingsā€”POTUS lying about the spy and Selina getting gropedā€”provoke equally dismayed reactions.
The scene of everyone talking over each other in the kitchen is really well done. I wonder how long they rehearsed it.
Gary: We need to rain down the full might of our nuclear arsenal on Finland. Selina: Oh yeah, thatā€™s the other thing I forgot to tell you, Amyā€¦weā€™re going to blow up Finland.
Doyle: Iā€™m telling you, this is not just a crisis, this isā€¦like ten years worth of Oliver Stone movies.Ā  Furlong: Yeah, and not the good ones, not Platoon.Ā 
Love that little beat of JLD taking a second glance at the giant blue painting of a female torso.
Amy: Itā€™s not like we can go public about the grope, I mean, it would define you. Your tit being fondled by a Finnā€¦itā€™d be all youā€™re remembered for! You canā€™t build a statue on that. Selina: Yeah, nobody can know about this. Especially Kent, and why is that? Because heā€™s going to use it against me. Grope matrix. *pause* Because heā€™s a man. Because, this is a manā€™s world that we live in. Because of the axis of dick.
This is an iconic speech. I quote it all the time.
Itā€™s so significant that of the four people in the room, Amy and Selina immediately understand why they can never tell anyone what happened to her. As a woman, their conversation just resonates. In rewatching, I was thinking about of all the indignities women can never share with their male colleagues, for precisely the reasons Amy alludesā€¦this episode really gets at the nuances of the issue, in a way that Selina gloating over how she used to be groped all the time does not.Ā 
Anna Chlumskyā€™s formal styling is just A+ hereā€¦the dress, the hair, the makeupā€¦everything. I wish they put her hair up more, but obviously her signature straight hair is a central part of Amyā€™s iconography.Ā 
ā€œIt is a containerā€¦a testicle container?ā€
Amy leaning right into Dan to tell him about Kentā€™s polling data going viral. Like obviously she has to keep her voice down and make sure he hears herā€¦but her cheek is practically touching his shoulder. I am just pointing out the visual facts, yā€™all.
Dan being all cute with his international fan club.Ā 
Look how sweet Selina is with Gary in the credits scene! Of course, when she puts a hand on Garyā€™s shoulder, it immediately prompts Amy to ask if sheā€™s okay.Ā 
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eddiespagheds Ā· 6 years ago
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reddie youtuber au!
okay i know its been forever since ive posted my writing but i have a lot instore including a little prequal too this oneshot! i wrote this based off of a headcanon by @billdenbroughsponytail !! you should go check it out and show jenn lots of love!! i really hope yall like this!!
word count: 1348 Ā Ā 
ships: reddie
fluff cause im a sucker for it
Richie Tozier and Eddie Kaspbrak were both well known internet sensations, and have been for about 6 years now. Surprisingly enough their strong relationship of of 5 years began because of it. They now live together with their teams in a huge house where they film their Youtube videos.
Richie has a reaction channel that he uploads to every Monday and Wednesday while Eddie is an MUA that uploads every Tuesday and Thursday, and they upload daily vlogs everyday except for Sunday on a conjoined vlog channel they have. The happy couple wouldnā€™t be able to do any of this without their amazing crew that just so happens to be their best friends. Richieā€™s crew consists of Stan his editor, and Ben his writer while Eddieā€™s crew consists of Mike his editor, and Bill his writer, and Beverly films for both of them.
One day, all seven of them sat in their large office discussing video ideas for this week.
ā€œI donā€™t know of a look I havenā€™t done yet Ben, itā€™s easy to run out of ideas rather quickly after doing this for six fucking years.ā€
Everyone just sat there staring at Eddie because it wasnā€™t like him to snap at someone like that, especially not Ben.
ā€œEds, maybe we should take a break for a bit, youā€™re starting to get really stressedā€ Richie began massaging Eddieā€™s shoulders almost instantly calming him down.
Eddie apologized to Ben before leading everyone to the living room where they ordered take out, and watched an old Friends rerun while simultaneously being on their phones.
ā€œHave you guys seen Jamesā€™ Twitter poll about shaving his eyebrows?ā€ Bev laughed not even looking up from her phone.
ā€œThatā€™s it! I could tweet out asking what I should do for my next video!ā€ Eddie practically jumped from his spot on the couch to go get his laptop, and he opened up Twitter when he returned.
ā€œOkay, how does this sound? ā€˜Hey guys, tweet me some ideas for things you want to see in my video for Thursday!ā€™ā€ Eddie looked around the room, and saw approving faces reassuring him that his tweet was good.
About two hours later Bev grabbed the camera and began filming Eddie and Richie for the end of their vlog of the day.
ā€œSo, Eds here is about to reveal what you guys want his video to be about.ā€ Richie said doing finger guns to the camera. ā€œOkay drumroll pleaseā€ He continued, switching to an impression of Ā a ring leader. Bev turned the camera around, catching everyone stomping their feet and patting their laps.
ā€œWell the majority of the people that responded are saying that they want to see the ā€˜Boyfriend does my voiceover challenge!ā€™ā€ Eddie said letting out a small giggle.
ā€œCute, cute, cute!ā€ Richie was pinching Eddieā€™s checks as he spoke. ā€œHope you guys are ready to see the best damn voiceover in Youtube historyā€ Richie sloppily kissed Eddie;s cheek, both of them laughing the whole time.
ā€œOkay, thatā€™s a wrap from us! See you guys tomorrow, please like and subscribe down below. Weā€™re Reddieā€™s vlogs and weā€™re out!ā€The two said at exactly the same time since they had memorized their outro ages ago.
The following day they began to film Eddieā€™s video that was featuring Richie. The two sat in Eddieā€™s office that he always filmed his videos in. It had a pastel pink background, and a bright white table with a few mirrors on it. On both sides there were shelves filled with wigs, brushes, palettes, and so much more. There wasnā€™t a script for the video because Eddie could handle his intro, and the rest was going to be Richie saying whatever dumb shit came out of his mouth. Since Richie was going to be doing his voiceover Eddie just had fun doing his makeup while talking to Richie and Bev as she filmed the whole thing. It took Eddie about an hour to complete the look, and then he filmed his intro afterwards.
ā€œWanna film my intro with me?ā€ Obviously Richie said yes because he was practically incapable of saying no to Eddie.
ā€œHello everyone, it is me Eddie K your favorite MUA, and with me I have Richie the trashmouth Tozierā€ Eddie spoke at a rather fast pace that made Richie let out a small laugh which only made Eddie laugh.
ā€œI asked you guys on Twitter what you wanted to see for this weekā€™s video, and surprisingly enough, you all wanted to see this idiot do my voiceover.ā€
Richie smirked to the camera before speaking.ā€And who am I to disappoint?ā€ Richie winked to the camera, and Eddie only laughed the whole time.
ā€œSo, without further ado, letā€™s get into the video!ā€ Eddie smiled as he watched Bev turn the camera off. Richie and Bev then made their way to Richieā€™s office where they would film the actual voice over portion of the video while Eddie waited in the living room.
* * * * * * * * * *
ā€œLook at my Eds waving at the camera, looking all cute and shit. So, first heā€™s putting on lotion to keep his skin nice and soft and all that shit. Wait a minute...thatā€™s my lotion! I used it with his mom last night.ā€ Richie paused the video to wink at the camera before continuing the video. ā€œHeā€™s pouring some tan shit on the back of his hand, uhh i think itā€™s foundation or something like that. Now heā€™s fucking pounding it into his face with this marshmallow looking thing.ā€ He stopped the video again and turned to the camera putting on his best Australian accent. ā€œAye, here we have one of the rarest of makeup marshmallows, completely edible, but hard to swallow.ā€ Both him and Bev started laughing before Richie played the video and continued. ā€œNow heā€™s putting some lighter tan shit under his eyes, probably to cover up the eye bags he gets from fucking me all night long. Now heā€™s putting on dome powder thatā€™s whiter than Stan the man! I bet you could snort that shit. Holy shit look at my boy kill the game! Look at that contour. Yā€™all bitches canā€™t even spell contour. Is he putting shimmery eyeshadow on his cheeks??? What the fuck Eds.ā€ He put on a bad British accent before speaking again. ā€œLook at the lad, bringinā€™ out his eyes!ā€ He chuckled a bit before averting his attention back to Eddie. ā€œOh my God, my Eds looks so fucking good with shimmery eyeshadow, it brings out his beautiful chestnut eyes quite nicely. Now heā€™s putting some black shit on his eyes. Ooh, look at the flicka da wrist, aye, look at the flicka da wrist. Yes look at my spaghetti man! Ohh I know what this is, itā€™s mascara. W-what is that orange thing? Why is he putting it up to his eye? Eds onā€™t do it, itā€™s an orange clockwork torture device! Oh, wait...nevermind, he just made his eyelashes look better. Look at all of those lipsticks he has. Ahh yes, he is choosing the red lipstick to symbolize spaghetti sauce because he is my Eddie spaghetti...I love him so much. And now he is spraying some shit that looks like water on his face. Wow he is gorgeous, look at his cute smile while heā€™s waving with his little hands aww.ā€ Richie finished gushing over Eddie, and turned off all of the equipment before exiting the room, and Bev followed him out.
ā€œThanks again for doing this Rich.ā€ Eddie said from where he sat on the sofa when he saw Richie appear in the living room.
Richie walked up to where Eddie was, placing a soft kiss on his lips before speaking. ā€œAnything for you spaghetti.ā€
That Thursday the video was released, and it was a huge success. People have always loved seeing Eddie and Richie together, and that was very obvious based on the amount of likes, view, and positive comments that the video got. Bev and Bill had been telling them to do more videos together for months now, and maybe theyā€™ll do just that.
let me know if you wanna be added to my tag list!
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