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[quantumleper]

25th World Martial Arts Tournament | Dragon Ball Z | World Tournament Saga

[fanfic-lover-girl]

Most Horrible DBZ Fight?

Whenever I watch the Videl vs Spopovich fight, I see all these comments about how it is the most brutal fight in DBZ. I think people only say that because Videl is a girl. Because this fight

Can't be compared to this fight

As much as I feel sorry for Videl and as much as Vegeta was still a selfish jerk in the namek/frieza saga, the comparison is not even close.

Let me explain!

History between combatants

Videl has no history with Spopovich. He is almost a nobody to her. The dude hates her dad because Mr. Satan beat him in a fight. He hurt her to get sick revenge on her dad. Nothing deeper than that.

Frieza and Vegeta have a rich and terrible history. Frieza is the monster who destroyed Vegeta's planet when he was 5. Still a kid. He worked in Frieza's planet trade organization, believing the lie that his home was destroyed by a meteor or asteroid or something like that. While Frieza humiliated him, he also had a kind of sick fondness for Vegeta. You can interpret this fight as Vegeta's attempt to overcome his abuser, in addition to proving himself as the super saiyan of legend. This gives the fight way more emotion and meaning compared to the Videl fight which basically just had shock value going for it.

Power Imbalance

Vegeta was doomed from the start, even with his Zenkai boost. Frieza toyed with him from beginning to end. Towards the end of the fight, Frieza drops all pretence of a battle and just wails on Vegeta like a punching bag.

With Videl, Spopovich was the underdog in the fight at the start. She was holding her own and she even landed a killing blow. She began to lose due to stamina. If Videl had fought smarter and tried to end the fight with a ring out, she would have won. If it was not for his Majin powers, he would be dead. But as the fight continued, she lost steam and Spopvich gained the upper hand and began pummelling her.

Stakes

Pretty obvious. The fight with Frieza had galactic consequences. Kami, King Kai and Guru were involved. Planet Namek was destroyed. The fight with Frieza was life and death. Most people in the battle died or nearly died.

Videl's fight was an inconsequential tournament fight. Not even the semi-finals or finals. You can say that's why Spopovich's brutality is so horrible because the context has lower stakes. Which leads me to my final and most important point!

Escaping the Fight

There was no escaping Frieza unless you died or he died. Once Vegeta confronted Frieza, he had no avenue of escape. You can't simply tap out of this fight. Even if he ran away using a space pod before the enraged Frieza showed up, he would be on the run for the rest of his life. Piccolo, Gohan and Krillin literally watched Frieza play with Vegeta because they were totally powerless. All they could do was watch Vegeta's humiliation.

Ultimately, it is Videl's fault that she was beaten so badly. Yeah, I said it! All she had to do was say "I give up" and the fight would be over! But because of her stubbornness and pride, she willingly stayed in a losing fight. Even when Spopovich is literally crushing her skull, she won't give up.

I can admire her resolve but this reason alone is enough for me to say that Videl should not be pitied. And why this fight is NOT the most brutal DBZ fight. It only feels that way because Videl is a human girl and people naturally hate seeing men abuse women. But there are DBZ fights that outclass this one in brutality any day of the week (most Kid Gohan fights should top Videl vs Spopovich just on the basis that Gohan is a literal child!).

The Vegeta vs Frieza fight played a major role in Vegeta's arc. It helped Vegeta respect Goku and motivated him to achieve super saiyan. It also gave Vegeta emotional depth.

Can't say the same for Videl. Her personality did a total 180 after her fight. Almost like Spopovich beat the tomboy out of her. We also never see her confront her dad about all his lies, which partly influenced her somewhat unmerited pride as a fighter which led to her attitude in her fight. What a total waste of potential character development.

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7 Worst Dragon Ball Characters (objective)

Honorable mention, Master Roshi. So here's the deal, I actually like Roshi. I actually like Roshi A LOT when he's being the offbeat martial arts master, but for the most part he's a serial sex offender, and the anime adds even more sexual assault for lulz.

Like a bad relationship, I try to remember the good times

Oolong

So y'know how I basically said there were aspects to Roshi's personality I really enjoyed, which is why he's not on the list proper? That's not the case with Oolong. There are definitely aspects to Oolong I like -- I like Piggy from Journey to the West and I think it's hilarious that Toriyama dressed him (and Mai, for some reason) like Chairman Mao. I also have to credit him with saving the world, although idk how Pilaf would have actually held onto his world empire with people like Goku around. Regardless, his character is another vehicle for sexual assault humor.

And yes, the English dub fucked up and made him sound like an adult. The joke is that he's a child that acts like a perverted adult, but because he's a child, he's just kidnapping girls to clean his house and be his mom, basically (Bulma pretty much even adopts him). Sexual assault humor is still sexual assault humor, though, so Oolong sucks

Bacterian

He's just gross. I really hate this dude

Garlic Jr.

Who stans a poser? In DBZ Abridged, they rip on Lord Slug for being EXACTLY King Piccolo, but the only difference between Slug and Garlic Jr. is that Lord Slug knew his place well enough to stay out of the anime.

Lemme start tho with the things I actually like about this guy. 1) he's a demon, I think. Toriyama introduced the concept with King Piccolo, backtracked, then reintroduced it with Dabura. Dragon Ball Xeno Heroes or w/e later realized this was free real estate and expanded on the idea to the point of nausea, but until then, Garlic and his henchmen and Dabura were your only demons, if that's something you found dope.

Other than this, Garlic Jr. steals Pilaf's design, but instead of remaining a lil' gremlin, he goes the filler route and beefs up like a Broly. He has a past connection with Kami like King Piccolo and successfully uses the Dragon Balls like King Piccolo. He then uses the Jr. like Piccolo. Get your own fucking thing. ALL YOU HAVE IS BEING THE SON OF KAMI'S RIVAL

And what really gets me is that he would be an okay filler villain if he wasn't just a chimera of better, actually canon characters, but as he is, the only things I like about his movie and arc have nothing to do with him.

Fwiw this is the only character on this list that's filler/not a part of Toriyama's original run. If this included GT, then there would be nothing but GT. As far as Super goes, I like the characters or at least their concepts (looking at you Zamasu), and the shit part is in the execution.

Spopovich

He and Yamu serve to showcase Babidi's power of mind control, but in doing so we're forced to witness the most pointlessly brutal, one-sided beatdown in all of Dragon Ball. I think the anime even devoted an entire episode to this ffs

We later learn that you have to already be a prat to fall under Babidi's powers, so there's nothing even tragic about his brainwashing and ultimate demise. He sucked before, he sucks now, he's a bad character.

Idasam

First off, it really doesn't make sense that a kid's division was introduced, does it? Most of the top fighters in the World Martial Arts Tournament were underage

Second, look how cute that girl in the top right is

Ok ok. As I made this list I began to realize there weren't a lot of characters in Dragon Ball that I actually hated. Some I definitely liked less than others, but few were so bad that I would remove them if I could. This chick is definitely one of them tho.

The Anti-Chi-Chi, Idasam raised two little brats that ig she loves and supports, which is the only thing she has that going for her. Besides that, she's mean to Bulma and even tried to physically assault her until the Mother of our Saviour Chi-Chi stepped in

Pirate Robot

Admit it, you thought he was filler. He looks like Third Form Frieza fucked some Saiyan armor. I've seen people try to salvage pirate robot by saying he's Android 2, but no, he's not, General Blue had no idea about this underwater pirate cave, and it doesn't make sense for Dr. Gero to squirrel away a dragon ball down here. Sometimes the things you love just disappoint you

Super Buu

I'm not sure this if this is a controversial opinion, but Super Buu is trash, his arc is trash, and everything he does will be done better later by Janemba in a fucking filler movie.

Before his introduction, Gohan failed, Vegeta failed and failed and failed, Gotenks fucked around and found out, and Goku wasted his time on a useless transformation like Future Trunks did in the Cell Saga (if he had been alive, Gohan would be trained and he would have realized SSJ3 wasn't a real transformation). Then Hercule came along and WON. The champ did it, he beat Majin Buu (with kindness). And that's great. If the Buu arc ended there, it would've still had several loose ends, but Z has loose ends as it is (imo another saga was needed to complete Gohan's character arc).

But then Toriyama (I'd rather blame his editors, but I've never seen anyone credit Super and Kid Buu to editorial interference) Ctrl-Z's Hercule's victory and we get Super Buu, a Perfect Cell wannabe that does nothing but crack his neck and murder Marin and everyone else too ig with his admittedly dope human extinction wave.

I have nothing but issues with this guy. His arc is way too long, his design is generically cool like a filler character, he steals Cell's powerset, he steals everybody's clothes, and he murders most of the cast while having little to no personality, so I can't even hate him for it

Go crack your neck more, you're the worst character in Dragon Ball

[painted-soldier]

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Also Toei: *allows Videl being battered by Spopovich in Dragon Ball Z* , Meme by Weeblmao.com

[sulan1809]

SPOPOVICH - UM COVARDE QUE TENTOU ASSASSINAR VIDEL

Dragon Ball "Z" teve muitos momentos mirabolantes e esplêndidos, como por exemplo, a derrota de Cell pelas mãos de Gohan, no entanto, houve momentos revoltantes na obra de Akira Toriyama, como por exemplo, a luta entre Videl e Spopovich. Estaria ele tentando matar a filha de Hercule Satan por vingança? Não se sabe ao certo, mas a covardia que ele fez contra Videl é imperdoável e inadmissível. A luta entre Spopovich e Videl foi a mais injusta de todas, pois ele estava massacrando a garota sem piedade. Son Gohan tentou intervir por ela, mas foi impedido por Son Goku. Sim, Goku, pagando de falso moralista, aconselhava o filho dele a não se intrometer. Videl apenas escapou da morte porque o filho de Goku deu a ela um senzu para que ela se recuperasse rapidamente. Então, mesmo sendo um antagonista menor, Spopovich entrou para a lista dos vilões mais desprezíveis e desonrosos de Dragon Ball.

Depois de assistir aquele brutamontes covarde machucar uma garota sem poderes especiais como ele, você provavelmente pensaria que Spopovich iria se safar dessa, certo?! ERRADO. Babidi, o manda-chuva e mandante de todos os esquemas relacionados ao Majin Buu, embora desintencionalmente, assassinou Spopovich, enquanto que Yamu foi exterminado por Pui Pui. Não houve melhor satisfação do que ver esses dois facínoras recebendo o que eles merecem, levando em consideração que eles atacaram Gohan para absorver um pouco da energia dele para dar a Majin Buu, que ainda estava encapsulado, então, tudo o que podemos dizer é: GOOD RIDDANCE...

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Dragon Ball Z: Buu's Fury Pt. 3 [Just I-Majin It]

Shoutout to Yajirobe: The Bean Daddy!

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I hate it so much when a shounen manga author has one burst of really fleshing out his female character and writing her amazingly and then immediately goes back to making her insignificant and putting her in the background cuz it just proves that yeah u CAN write women well u just choose not to

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Made crews of villains that feel vaguely around the same power level to me (canon not in game lol) because I am high

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DBZ Thoughts: Gohan saving Videl from Spopovich is not as romantic as it seems

So I made this post a while back comparing the Videl v Spopovich fight with the Vegeta v Frieza fight. In the blog, I indicated along the lines that Videl's fight marked the end of her status as a fighter. After this fight, Videl was reduced to a love interest and any development her character could have had as a next-gen human fighter was dropped.

I would argue that Gohan's attempted intervention in the Videl v Spopovich fight put the nail in the coffin for respecting Videl as a fighter.

Why do I say this? Let's establish the facts:

Videl up till this point is a very capable and proud fighter, IMO more than her dad Mr Satan. She uses her skills to help people and she shows curiosity for new techniques as demonstrated by her desire to learn to fly. Sure, Gohan has saved her as the Great Saiyaman but she has so much courage to risk her life every day.

Videl is such a proud fighter that she CHOSE to remain in the fight. Remember this is a tournament fight with rules and exits. With two words, Videl can walk away from this fight without any consequences besides maybe a bruised ego. However, even when her head is being squashed, she refuses to concede. I think it's Vegeta's level of stupidity, but I respect her for it.

So what is the impact of Gohan trying to save Videl?

If Gohan interrupted the fight before Yamu, he would have been disqualified from the tournament. Videl wanted Gohan to be in the tournament so I don't think Pre-fight Videl would have appreciated Gohan being disqualified.

Gohan is basically disrespecting Videl as a fighter. By intervening, Gohan is unintentionally demonstrating his need to save Videl from her own decisions. Videl is too dumb to save herself due to her pride so Gohan has to step in as her knight in shining armor. Remember, Videl does not need saving! This is not a life-or-death battle like with the Frieza forces, just a very violent tournament match. That Videl can walk away from HERSELF.

The audience is being told that Videl can no longer depend on her own skills and needs to rely on the big (Saiyan) boys to protect her. Videl does not get a chance to swear vengeance against Spopovich or to use that moment to motivate herself to become better. Instead, what we have is Gohan stepping in and swearing vengeance on Videl's behalf and Videl asking Gohan to get back at Spopovich for her. Nothing is wrong with a male loved one protecting you and I find it sweet of Gohan. But this just further robs Videl of whatever agency she had left as a promising female fighter.

Gohan is unfortunately the worst thing to happen to Videl's character as a fighter.

[pulpfanfiction]

spopovich has gotta be the funniest addition to this team. who the fuck is expecting to fight spopovich like, literally ever

sparking zero is really really good. i just rolled some guy playing an actually decent team with these guys becauise i wanted to play a Bald Squad

[deusvervewrites]

Power Levels are only a measure of raw ki

Not even that, they're a measure of raw ki OUTPUT. Transforming species like the Saiyan, the Frost Demons and whatever Zarbon's species is can suddenly increase their power levels to overcome a stronger enemy, and with the right training one can learn moves that temporarily increase the power level (such as the Kamehameha or the Garlic Cannon), or to suppress it to conserve one's strenght, better control one's power, sneak around, and utterly make a fool of someone who is ignorant of such ability (see Goku vs the Ginyu Force, with Recoome and Burter being crushed because the scouters said Goku's power level was 5000 and he increased his output at the moment of the attack too fast for the scouters to pick it up).

Quirks just add another layer of uselessness by being biological and not ki based abilities, thus leaving scouter users completely unprepared when the big guy with a power level of six suddenly shoots fire hot enough to melt through their armor, or the weirdo with a power level of three hits as hard as a Frieza soldier and then does something weird.

Only guy they'd have a correct guess on is Spopovich, and that's because his lack of skill in basic fighting is a glaring red flag that something weird is going on as nobody that unskilled can possibly acquire ki powers without magic help.

I know Freeza won't appear but he'd get bullied so hard

[tobiasdrake]

A small headcannon:

Hercule Satan is the absolute best Dad anyone could ever ask for. He may lie through his teeth about being the world's strongest and the best at Martial Arts, but he can't lie about being a genuinely good father.

I don't think Videl would agree with that. He's far from the worst - He's certainly never angrily punched his child in the gut, so he's got that over Vegeta - but their relationship has some noticeable bumps.

This is the big one, of course; Satan stopped teaching Videl martial arts, while overprotectively demanding that she can only date someone who can take him - the world champion who killed Cell - in a fight. It's the "Dad sternly cleaning his shotgun when Daughter's beau comes over" bit x1000.

Satan himself, however, has been aggressively womanizing in front of his daughter enough to create some serious resentment.

Not exactly World's Best Dad material. But what really gets me is this moment, following her disastrous match with Spopovich.

The way he reacts to her being brutalized shows he does care about her. He's not a malicious father.

But he is a neglectful one. Yo, why are you hearing about this from an attendant? Your daughter just stepped up to fight in the championship semifinals of the Strongest Under the Heavens Martial Arts Tournament, one of three most prestigious athletic competitions in the world for martial arts.

And. You don't even want to watch her fight? You seriously have better things to do than to go down there and watch your daughter's match?

Goku isn't exactly World's Best Dad either but he would never be chilling in a luxurious back room while Gohan was in the ring.

Hell, even after Gohan gives Videl a Senzu to heal all her injuries, Satan's main concern is whether or not this boy is muscling in on his kid.

His inability to see past his own ego is his primary character flaw. Unfortunately, both the way Dragon Ball peters out and ends in a hurry and the way Videl gets written off means we never get to see anything come of this; Satan and Videl go their separate ways here, and the narrative chooses to keep Satan around.

So... maybe his development in this arc affected his relationship with her, or maybe it didn't. Maybe something finally happened offscreen. We'll never know. But for what we do get, I would describe Satan's relationship with Videl as a possessive love. For him, she is the shiniest trophy in his trophy case.