#spn spec

[wigglebox]

BENLUND I'M SUSPICIOUS

[go answer him!]

not to fully go all tinhat CONTINUATION on main [even tho i don't think it qualifies as tinhatting since literally the whole cast is basically shouting in our faces that it's happening at some point]

if anyone in this fandom has more experience as a screenwriter pls weigh in because i haven't needed to care about it in about a decade BUT i remember when i took a spec writing class [scripts you write to basically audition to be on a writing staff] i remember being told to watch episodes of said show that you think "set the mood, tone, and depth of the show" like literally my teacher told me that.

idk why he's so adamant on only SIX and ideally, any spec writer should watch as many as they can so idk if he's really asking "for a friend" or if he's asking for a studio exec or if he's asking for writers he's interested in to watch these episodes and then write a spec script but --

i don't think this is just... "oh my friend wants to watch SPN" because why is the number so specific and usually you just show your friend the series from the beginning, not jump around, you know?

Anyway.

What are you cooking, benlund?

[thetiredstuff]

I would bet money on it that if we do see Cas in any future The Winchesters episodes, Dean won't be anywhere near him. From the way Jensen talked about it at Jib, to doing justice to the story and the characters, knowing who is involved with this story now, I'm betting they're saving an on-screen reunion between Dean and Cas until the Supernatural mini-series kicks off so that it can be given the time and space it needs.

The confession was such an important part of Cas, Dean, and Supernatural's storyline that there is no way they wouldn't address it on screen.

[postmodernmulticoloredcloak]

No but. What if Rowena is our Rowena, recruited by Dean to help him with his mission in the past, because they both have the same goal, i.e. getting someone they love from the Empty, and the Akrida mission in 1972 is the key to finding a way to get to the Empty.

After all, the demon inside the plant was just an excuse to get in touch with Ada and give her the crystal (c’mon, for a powerful witch there’s plenty of ways to get your hands on a demon to torture for information).

What I’m saying is, bring back my besties 2k23

[winchester27]

Season 8 911 feels like season 15 supernatural all over again because you knew Destiel was coming but you didn’t know when and then Cas drops the L word and gets sucked away in black goo and Dean just gets left behind but in this instance Eddie gets with his dead wife’s doppleganger and Chris moves away and he grows a pornstache and Bucks on the sidelines pining and concerned

[deadnatura11]

Tim: "... so yeah I drew a lot of inspiration [for Canon Buddie] from Supernatural. Specifically season 15, episode 18."

Interviewer: Can you provide some examples?

Tim: "2 days after election."

[fiona-fififi]

...

[lawboymagicshow]

s4 will really create a situation where it's like society has transformed a person into a monster it is not inherent to them... but then will be like we have to still kill them in an incredibly dehumanizing way where we can still feel morally in the clear

[m1zumono]

100% fr think dean was aspec

[flyingfish1]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but -- I don’t think we ever saw Rowena with violet eyes until 13x12, when she undid the spell that had been placed on her to bind some of her magic.

13x12:

and again in 13x19:

etc. etc.

Before that, if I’m remembering rightly, her eyes never glow purple with her magic.

But we DO see her eyes glow purple in The Winchesters. 

So?????

Some options?

(a) I’m wrong (b) I’m right, but the show is wrong -- continuity error (c) in 1972, the Grand Coven hadn’t bound Rowena’s powers yet. (d) This is an AU in which the Grand Coven never put the binding spell on her, or in which she undid the binding spell decades earlier (e) Time travel for everyone! Time traveler convention!

[theclaravoyant]

omg what if it’s the french mistake

[wigglebox]

this is another reason why i don’t think Jack is Jack TM and that i am still on my Chuck Won bullshit 

This lovely gifset. 

another major part of the Chuck Won theory for me is that Cas specifically was used as a barometer of truth in season 15. 

Because he’s the only one who can really exist outside of the narrative, and virtually untouchable in that case, when he was around it was easier to discern the truth about things and served as what was “Real.” Remember the line from 15x02 in that room where he’s trying to talk Dean out of that existential crisis he’s having, about what’s real, and that they are. 

In one of those ‘real’ instances, is when Cas can tell that Jack is Jack. 

There were three times in season 15 where Cas was needed to confirm if Jack was Jack. 

15x01, he confirmed it was not Jack but in fact a Demon possessing Jack’s body. 

15x11, he confirmed it was Jack after he came back from The Empty. 

15x19.... he wasn’t there to determine that Jack was still Jack after he absorbed Chuck’s powers. 

And I found that significant. 

In my head there is a conspiracy that Chuck and The Empty were working together at this. And part of that is this game of chess that Chuck set up where he wipes out the pieces on the board that pose a threat to him:

Dean, Sam, Billie, Jack, Amara, and Cas. 

Have The Empty make a deal with Billie, a fake deal, to get Jack ready to contain Chuck when in actuality it was to make it so Jack could become a vessel for Chuck bc he’s the only one who could do that. 

Billie and Dean already had an antagonistic relationship so it wouldn’t take much poking and prodding to get Billie to go after Dean in her attempt to stablize things, losing herself a little bit in the process. 

By having her go after Dean, Chuck can trigger Cas’ deal with The Empty. 

And if Cas is off the board, then so is the ONLY litmus test to truly know if Jack is Jack or not. 

And so by also not having Cas in 1x13 of The Winchesters, you can’t tell if that Jack is really OUR Jack or if it’s... Chuck. 

And given the reference to that Kansas song, and these looks, idk — feels like it really isn’t OUR Jack and is in fact a continuation of ‘Is Chuck possessing Jack?’ 

[claudiatherelentless]

Now, correct me if I'm wrong but, The Osseum is now rigged to send things to Deans world of Origin? Right

You cant tell me that's not a setup for some or all of our beloved Monster Club accidentally getting sucked through in season 2.... if they get one

The question is would that take them to Heaven or to SPNs Flagship Universe?

And would they be in the 1970s or the 2k20s?

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[phrysic]

happy pride month but im ace so everyone in spn is on the ace/aro spec now

[flyingfish1]

Purple magic, yes, but purple EYES, though -- I’m pretty sure that’s new.

I’m pretty sure that’s only 13x12 and onward, after she unlocks her full powers. And her eyes DO flash purple in spnwin.

the purple rowena magic is back HUGE WIN

[dotthings]

Legit reasons why people expected a more satisfying conclusion to spn:

Dean’s long arc telegraphing a movement toward hope. He went from fatalistically believing the only happy ending he could ever get was Sam living a long life while Dean was doomed to die bloody and too soon to believing he could have his own happy ending too with toes in the sand and his closest people there (not just Sam).

Previous experience with spn’s powerful and effective and fuller storytelling

The fact that Dean deserved better than that rebar death at the hand of low budget vampmimes. Dean is the character most short-changed by the ending. People who care are not the ones out of line who don’t comprehend spn.

The fact that Sam deserved better than having every single arc he ever had dropped like a hot potato and all he got was a bad party city wig

The fact that Cas deseved better than to be shut out of the series finale after 12 seasons of being key to all the major mytharc plots and a crucial found family character close to Sam and Dean, especially dear to Dean.

The fact that spn wrote, right into the story, Chuck smirking and pleased about his unsatisfying, miserable, bleak ending while Becky denounced and analyzed why that wouldn’t work narratively and why fans would find it unsatisfying

The found family theme on spn which has been there the entire time and deserved better than to be vanished.

The fact of a global pandemic that screwed up filming of the series finale until all that was left was scraps of the full intention. We’re trying to grade an incomplete. People’s feelings about the finale are valid but otoh, it’s also trying to analyze it is like trying to infer from scraps of parchment what the whole text was about. Personally, I’ve come around to writing it off as an abberation and not forgetting all the good spn gave me along the way. spn deserves a second chance to tell a better ending.

The fact that stories do, in fact, have an obligation to create fulfilling, satisfying endings and people are in their right to object when this obligation fails. This doesn’t mean endings must be free of tragedy or bittersweet notes.

Actually, no, this is not about Sam and Dean and Cas move to the burbs, spec about endings that fall outside of likelihood and spn’s purview and that disregard the actual metaphysical systems the canon always had in place are a distraction. Unfortunately some people weaponized that and used it to start another war, full of their own low media literacy takes and arrogance, shaming others for a legitimate yearning for a more satisfying ending.

This is about spn fulfilling its story promises in a more satisfying way than the aired finale, within the genre and framework spn occupied.

spn was never the style of narrative that was about hopelessness, it was about hope.

It was Campbellian and heroic. spn being about monster hunting doesn’t mean it has no obligations to a fulfilling, satisfying ending that offers some comfort. Stories inspire people.

You can’t have it both ways. When fans keep talking about how spn helps give them hope and inspires them, you don’t turn around and start playing “it’s just fiction so it’s okay if the ending was unsatisfying to most of the fanbase.” You either respect the meaning the story has to people personally or you don’t. Make up your mind if you think the story matters or it doesn’t.

A majority of the fandom was left screwed over, and the people who keep insisting it’s perfect and that anyone who finds it unsatisfying is a Bad Fan keep on demonstrating their disdain for Dean, their ignorance and disregard for spn’s great overall themes, and their narrow-mindedness about spn. I’m not here to be the joy police, I could care less if they enjoyed the series finale, but the actual problem here is the continued aggression, shaming, attempts to stifle all dissent, and demanding universal acceptance of the series finale as “satisfying” via utterly fallacious arguments. They love to troll about it and crave drama because the unhappiness of other lanes pleases this minority who keeps banging on to claim they’re Everyone and all “Normal” fans.

Imagine being that far gone that you think anyone who craves a satisfying ending for a series so many fans are so deeply emotionally attached to after 15 seasons is a freak.

*raises glass* Onward to the future. Here’s to a more satisfying conclusion having its chance to get told in the revival.