#spn spec

[wigglebox]

BENLUND I'M SUSPICIOUS

[go answer him!]

not to fully go all tinhat CONTINUATION on main [even tho i don't think it qualifies as tinhatting since literally the whole cast is basically shouting in our faces that it's happening at some point]

if anyone in this fandom has more experience as a screenwriter pls weigh in because i haven't needed to care about it in about a decade BUT i remember when i took a spec writing class [scripts you write to basically audition to be on a writing staff] i remember being told to watch episodes of said show that you think "set the mood, tone, and depth of the show" like literally my teacher told me that.

idk why he's so adamant on only SIX and ideally, any spec writer should watch as many as they can so idk if he's really asking "for a friend" or if he's asking for a studio exec or if he's asking for writers he's interested in to watch these episodes and then write a spec script but --

i don't think this is just... "oh my friend wants to watch SPN" because why is the number so specific and usually you just show your friend the series from the beginning, not jump around, you know?

Anyway.

What are you cooking, benlund?

[postmodernmulticoloredcloak]

Anyway my old theory/speculation that Mary will have John's memories of hunting removed in order for them to live as normal civilians, as she wants to leave hunting but he gets too much into it to willingly follow her out... I had speculated that Tony might do it, now Lata has learnt the technique from Tony, so it's even easier.

On the other hand, Dean's domino pieces falling... where are they headed? Are they going to actually end up in the place the original narrative started, or not?

[thetiredstuff]

I would bet money on it that if we do see Cas in any future The Winchesters episodes, Dean won't be anywhere near him. From the way Jensen talked about it at Jib, to doing justice to the story and the characters, knowing who is involved with this story now, I'm betting they're saving an on-screen reunion between Dean and Cas until the Supernatural mini-series kicks off so that it can be given the time and space it needs.

The confession was such an important part of Cas, Dean, and Supernatural's storyline that there is no way they wouldn't address it on screen.

[winchester27]

Season 8 911 feels like season 15 supernatural all over again because you knew Destiel was coming but you didn’t know when and then Cas drops the L word and gets sucked away in black goo and Dean just gets left behind but in this instance Eddie gets with his dead wife’s doppleganger and Chris moves away and he grows a pornstache and Bucks on the sidelines pining and concerned

[deadnatura11]

Tim: "... so yeah I drew a lot of inspiration [for Canon Buddie] from Supernatural. Specifically season 15, episode 18."

Interviewer: Can you provide some examples?

Tim: "2 days after election."

[letmetellyouaboutmyfeels]

"if Buck or Eddie is going to be revealed as queer, it means Buddie will be happening." I actually completely agree with this but can I ask you why you think this? I also want to say that I don't think Eddie needs this kind of experiment arc or self discovery arc Buck is going to get. Eddie is just going to simply be in love with his best friend, and that will be it. Buck will be the experienced one.

I think that if they're giving Buck a self-discovery/experimentation arc they won't give one to Eddie because that would be redundant.

I wondered in season five if Eddie would come out - it was very heavily coded that way in my opinion - which would've meant that Buck then wouldn't get a self-discovery/experimentation arc. Again in my opinion. It would just be redundant to have both of them do that.

So yes, I agree with you, I think Eddie is just simply going to be in love with his best friend. Which I think suits him best. I personally don't think Eddie would bother to label himself or care about that kind of thing and would say "well I'm not straight" if asked and leave it at that.

The reason I think that if one or both of them is coming out as queer it means Buddie will be happening is that if the writers are cognizant enough to realize the audience sees queerness in one or both of them, they are also cognizant enough of the fact that making one or both of them queer and not getting them together is a) ridiculous and b) unkindly teasing the audience.

Looking at the situation as a writer, the simplest, easiest, obvious solution is to have Buck and Eddie date each other. If I'm going to make them queer, why would I reinvent the wheel by introducing a love interest the audience may not like, that I'll have to do extra work to get the audience to like, when I can just get them with each other?

Additionally, if I have noticed "hey we kinda made 'em queer and people have noticed," then I have also noticed the audience wants them together. To make Buck queer and give him a coming out episode/arc but then not get him with Eddie is rather like Lucy yanking the football away from Charlie Brown. While it's fun to bait and switch your audience in some ways (like who will have their life in danger in an episode, etc), you don't want to alienate your audience or make them feel played or cheated.

To make Buck queer and then not get him with Eddie would be like a middle-finger consolation prize. "Here FINE Buck's into men are you HAPPY?" And while there are definitely showrunners and writers out there who are that level of petty, most are not. Most care about their characters, story, and audience, and frankly most don't want to risk alienating their audience that much.

I think by now, showrunners and other head creatives are aware that "well we won't get the two together but we'll make one of them bi" isn't going to be treated as the well-intentioned consolation prize they think it is.

Additionally while I have a lot I'd like to yell at Tim about, he did say forever ago (back in season three I believe) that he never wants to make writing decisions based on pettiness or spite, and I choose to believe he stands by that.

Of course nothing is set in stone and if they do make Buck queer they might not make Buddie canon. But to me it simply makes the most sense. It's the easiest route and the most likely explanation for why Buck is coming out, and to not do it would be yanking the rug out from under your audience a bit, and I don't think any sensible writing team or showrunner would do that.

[lawboymagicshow]

s4 will really create a situation where it's like society has transformed a person into a monster it is not inherent to them... but then will be like we have to still kill them in an incredibly dehumanizing way where we can still feel morally in the clear

[m1zumono]

100% fr think dean was aspec

[curioussubjects]

Ok so I have some spnwin-spn connection spec I wanna share with y'all from back when @alwaysanoriginal were spiraling over some interview about The Winchesters (as we do). The second to last question is about John's journal being created, which of course made me think of plot hole vampmimes. Of course.

Or maybe not so plothole-y?

That was mostly a joke, though I did hope tonight was going to maybe for the lolz address that. Well, little did I know because that old convo continued with this:

DOES THIS REMIND YOU OF ANYTHING YOU WATCHED TONIGHT

DOES IT

Char, then, decided to come for me in the night and point out that the Running on Empty montage in 19 has some pretty choice scenes featuring Changing Channels, Wayward Sisters and the AU rift, Dean time traveling, and The Heroes' Journey (which I always argued was essentially the intended finale metaphorically).

Side note: sorry to expose y'all to my private ravings lol

A lot of this actually comes back to a point Billie made in s15 about Chuck building reality with himself at the center to keep it ticking. So how can you possibly beat him? By letting him think he won. I can't help but remember that delightful line from Dean in s12: "‘Cause we’re not trapped out here with you. You’re trapped out here with us." You know, that one time Dean and Sam pulled a death gambit to escape a black ops site.

But back to The Winchesters: last week we had Carlos refusing to play Loki's game (a god who can affect reality, or one's perception thereof) and winning. But to do so, he had to put his life on the line. He had to be willing to lose everything. By the way, I am once again feeling very emotional about Carlos saying he sacrificed everything for hunting, but he gained so much more because that's it! That's the thing! So yeah...cue Carlos singing Hard Times Come Again No More to his family.

This week John is the one with the seemingly inescapable fate of death (courtesy of vampires because of course), and while he doesn't tap out of the game, he realizes he knows nothing about the context of what he saw. He only got half the story, and the rest was up to him. It's appropriate, too, that this week we get another Supernatural classic with Mary reassuring John that they will find another way. And yeah, John does and wins.

And, I mean, if we're talking fate and god and gambles, why not remember a nifty piece of advice Sam and Dean received from Fortuna in The Gamblers: “Don’t play his game. Make him play yours.”

My point is if we look at 19 and 20 much like we would a vision from an amulet, none of the plot of Supernatural needs to change. It's fated. But as Millie says, and John says, and Dean say: fate is what you make it. And if The Winchesters is about how Sam and Dean became the Winchesters, then what else is this show but the context we've been missing all along.

(send this man to stan jail tbh)

[also what is more Winchester stupid than the cosmic consequences of saving your family...like...say...releasing the Darkness or...causing an Akrida infestation...though who knows that could've been on purpose for reasons. I'm putting nothing past spnwin.]

Don't ask me how Dean goes from pulling a death gambit to get into heaven to time travelling to tweak with his parents' past. We're through the looking glass here people and we'll simply have to wait and see -- but the puzzle is for sure getting less mysterious. Something free will, knowledge, family, and Growth, something. Therapy. You know, The Winchesters.

Or I'm totally off the mark and I'll have egg for face who's to say, but for now, as a treat, I'm feeling very

[flyingfish1]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but -- I don’t think we ever saw Rowena with violet eyes until 13x12, when she undid the spell that had been placed on her to bind some of her magic.

13x12:

and again in 13x19:

etc. etc.

Before that, if I’m remembering rightly, her eyes never glow purple with her magic.

But we DO see her eyes glow purple in The Winchesters. 

So?????

Some options?

(a) I’m wrong (b) I’m right, but the show is wrong -- continuity error (c) in 1972, the Grand Coven hadn’t bound Rowena’s powers yet. (d) This is an AU in which the Grand Coven never put the binding spell on her, or in which she undid the binding spell decades earlier (e) Time travel for everyone! Time traveler convention!

[wigglebox]

this is another reason why i don’t think Jack is Jack TM and that i am still on my Chuck Won bullshit 

This lovely gifset. 

another major part of the Chuck Won theory for me is that Cas specifically was used as a barometer of truth in season 15. 

Because he’s the only one who can really exist outside of the narrative, and virtually untouchable in that case, when he was around it was easier to discern the truth about things and served as what was “Real.” Remember the line from 15x02 in that room where he’s trying to talk Dean out of that existential crisis he’s having, about what’s real, and that they are. 

In one of those ‘real’ instances, is when Cas can tell that Jack is Jack. 

There were three times in season 15 where Cas was needed to confirm if Jack was Jack. 

15x01, he confirmed it was not Jack but in fact a Demon possessing Jack’s body. 

15x11, he confirmed it was Jack after he came back from The Empty. 

15x19.... he wasn’t there to determine that Jack was still Jack after he absorbed Chuck’s powers. 

And I found that significant. 

In my head there is a conspiracy that Chuck and The Empty were working together at this. And part of that is this game of chess that Chuck set up where he wipes out the pieces on the board that pose a threat to him:

Dean, Sam, Billie, Jack, Amara, and Cas. 

Have The Empty make a deal with Billie, a fake deal, to get Jack ready to contain Chuck when in actuality it was to make it so Jack could become a vessel for Chuck bc he’s the only one who could do that. 

Billie and Dean already had an antagonistic relationship so it wouldn’t take much poking and prodding to get Billie to go after Dean in her attempt to stablize things, losing herself a little bit in the process. 

By having her go after Dean, Chuck can trigger Cas’ deal with The Empty. 

And if Cas is off the board, then so is the ONLY litmus test to truly know if Jack is Jack or not. 

And so by also not having Cas in 1x13 of The Winchesters, you can’t tell if that Jack is really OUR Jack or if it’s... Chuck. 

And given the reference to that Kansas song, and these looks, idk — feels like it really isn’t OUR Jack and is in fact a continuation of ‘Is Chuck possessing Jack?’ 

[postmodernmulticoloredcloak]

No but. What if Rowena is our Rowena, recruited by Dean to help him with his mission in the past, because they both have the same goal, i.e. getting someone they love from the Empty, and the Akrida mission in 1972 is the key to finding a way to get to the Empty.

After all, the demon inside the plant was just an excuse to get in touch with Ada and give her the crystal (c’mon, for a powerful witch there’s plenty of ways to get your hands on a demon to torture for information).

What I’m saying is, bring back my besties 2k23

[thigholstercas]

woke up thinking what if Chuck aka God is hiding in the past somehow (I haven't figured out the how yet) but we saw him there playing the piano, so what if it's not a sure! rob could wear a wig so he can be in the episode I mean louden swain didn't promote themselves in spnwin with rob so it has to be something different. anyway, what if Dean is chasing him because he knows it's not over yet...

[magdaclaire]

besties... interact with this post if you’d like to be on my tag list?

[thetiredstuff]

I thought I was maybe idk putting destiel somewhat behind me but now with the rumors swirling around that misha might not show up in spnwin as cas, I’m honestly crying at it

I realized that the thought of just never seeing cas and dean together on my screen distresses me so much and I’m legit crying now because I’m thinking about never seeing them on my screen again

All this time I’ve just kinda kept my head down and focused on the near future with the ngl kinda suspected hope we’d be seeing them again together on spnwin but now I’m feeling anxious and I’m crying cuz I miss them so much and I hated that fucking finale and they deserve their happy ending and we deserve it and goddamn it I hate the cw and whoever else got in the way of destiel and killed my babies

[theclaravoyant]

omg what if it’s the french mistake