#spn con 2015

[warpedwings]

Misha Collins - 2015 Con Highlights

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[lol-jackles]

I was pursuing your “Destiel” tag (thank you for posting it for that anon, btw, and bringing it back to my attention), and came across this statement from you:

“As a result, douchy Jensen + going off script = other actors trying to cope. My favorite was 2016 because that was when my girlfriend leaned close to the screen and said, "Jared, blink twice if you're being held against your will". Since then Jared had figured out how to handle these ~unscripted~ moments, but Misha hasn't.”

What was the moment in particular at 2016 JIB that made your girlfriend say that? Or what was Jensen going at that one? Wasn’t Gen at that one, too?

Also, what would you say Jared’s strategy has been in dealing with Jensen (when drunk) on stage at JIB? And why does Jensen seem “meaner” to Jared at JIB than at CE or AHBL cons? Which is closer to thier actual dynamic, do you think?

And I just have to add, it was pretty amusing seeing Misha momentarily (sadly not longer) regret his life choices at, was it 2019 JIB, where he pointed out the Destiel shirt and Jensen yelled about “where is it real?” Do you think Jensen was actually annoyed in this panel? I say yes, but my brother says no.

Jensen seems to keep it together more at JIBs post pandemic, but I was at JIB 13, and he gave off a huge air of just being over the whole thing by his solo Sunday panel. And he and Rich were essentially running out the clock by being loud idiots (my ears still hurt from being near a speaker).

They all claim to love JIB, but they also all seem pretty over it come Sunday.

Sorry that got long. Would love to see your response to any parts.

This was the first time I briefly talked about the infamous Jib con. Back in 2016 I used to think their co/dependent friendship was doomed at the 10-year mark because when one isn’t adjusting to the changing time, then the idolatries friendship can’t last more than 10 years at best.  I listed a few examples (X) from a feminist blog about women ending their female friendships, a woman ending her friendship with a male friend (X) Oliver Broudy’s story of ending his 10-year friendship with a college friend (X).  These friendships ended because one of them was stuck and making more and more demands on the unstuck friend.  We know happened after season 10 wrapped up (X) (X).

Anyways, what got my girlfriend's attention was Jared looking like a tug of war rope between Gen and Jensen and the boys. Regular corporate SPN cons in the U.S are already a male-dominated atmosphere bordering on frat boy shenanigans. At least there are corporate handlers and security to help keep the actors in line, plus alcohol are banned for actors. Jib cons are fan-run with no handlers and alcohol are allowed, and usually there are no actresses because the cost of the extra Jensen/Misha and Jared/Misha panels means some actors are going to get cut out and it’s usually the actresses. Without female colleagues around, the men really rile each other up at Jib cons, it’s part of their bonding and one-upmanship rituals. I think why Gen rarely participated in SPN cons is because she didn't want to be around all that dude energy. But 2016 was different because I think she blamed herself for leaving the 2015 British con early and is still traumatize that she nearly lost Jared few days later, so Gen agreed to let Jared drag bring her to Jib con. Men don’t like wives/girlfriends homing in on their bro times and Jensen was noticeable irritated that Jared’s wife was there and during the closing ceremony Jensen used air quotations marks while talking about Gen’s marriage to Jared who had his arms wrapped around her. He looked peeved at Jensen and then then laughed it off because what else could he do on stage?

(Side note: it’s not easy for men to find male friends and keeping them.  I hated the movie I love you, man because it was too familiar, and Paterson made me uneasy because Adam Driver's character has no male friends and he's more than okay with that because he has a wife.)

Jensen seems "meaner" not just to Jared but to every actor there, especially Misha. At these fan-run conventions, there are no "scripts" (guidelines actually) to follow. Most actors were still going by the guidelines from corporate-run conventions when they're on stage, but not Jensen because it's part of his upmanship as a way to both bond and dominate others. It's a Ryan Seacrest and Brian Dunkleman type situation. Maybe Jensen learned this trick from Ryan who used to be his roommate. Misha is not a natural improviser, his guest appearance on Whose Line Is it Anyways shows that, so he's the least apt at handling Jensen's off script moments. Half the time Jensen wasn't actually drunk but acts like it to avoid the inevitable asinine Destiel-loaded questions from the hellers in the audience.

Jared's strategy was about the same at pre-2016 JIB cons and CE cons because he's pretty apt at smoothing things over between Jensen and the fans. At the infamous 2013 New Jersey con a self-claiming bisexual girl tried to ask Jensen a loaded Destiel question and he snapped at her with, “don’t ruin it for everybody” and Jared immediately calmed Jensen down and salvaged the rest of the experience for sane fans.

Stuff like this is closer to their real life dynamic as the Giver and the Taker. If you read the "codependency tag", Jared the Giver cleans up the messes the Taker make. Givers think they're helping but they're actually enabling and don't improve things. Jensen's reputation took a slight hit, and it took a few years for the New Jersey con to be memory-holed. Apparently Jensen didn't learn from this and 3 years later mocked a girl wearing a "Destiel is real" shirt at the 2019 JIB. Misha told Jensen to not “fight with fans” and Jared was gesturing to a fan in the front row as if saying don’t look at me look at him. That may answer your question, Jared stopped trying to calm Jensen down and instead focus on heading off fans who gets too snippy at Jensen, like at a DC con few years back where a girl was trying to look cool but came off sounding hostile towards Jensen, so Jared left the stage and hugged the stuffings out of the girl, deflating her hostile-sounding voice.

I don't think I've seen Jensen's solo panel at JIB13, but he's usually looks like he's watching the clock during his Jared-less panels so that's nothing new. It's been the case for many years and a common complaint by fans, it's why CE stopped having solo J panels early on because Jensen needs a scene partner. It goes back to why Jensen works better as a scene-stealing supporting actor instead of a leading man. How Jensen made Dean Winchester have memorable moments was by putting his focus on the other person.  By using this method, Jensen can stop worrying about how he’s going to say his lines and speak intuitively, this helps make Dean appear truthful to the audience.  It may be why Jensen doesn’t read scripts ahead of time.   Jensen doesn’t go into a scene looking to do a scene, instead he goes in looking to be open and give over to how the other person (in this case, Jared playing Sam) makes him feel.  This method worked great for Jensen when his character has Sam to focus on, and Jensen has Jared to react to.  It’s why Dean’s dying moments with Sam in the barn works so well in the series’ finale.

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You probably heard of the saying, “acting is reacting”.

A demon’s acting philosophy in The Good Place: “Demons have to learn that Acting Is Reacting.  And Reacting Is Pre-acting. But Pre-acting? Well, that’s just being.”  

While “acting is reacting” gets mocked in the acting community because it’s a trap alot of actors fall into by adjusting their truthful inner life to their assumptions about the text.  Good acting is adjusting the text to your authentic emotion which is the result of the other person.  This where Jensen’s good acting comes from and it’s become his comfort zone and made him a multimillionaire by his mid 30s.  He’s in what my acting coach calls “the truthful contact”, it’s where actors are taught the first stage of authentic acting.  The next stage is “crafting”.  When you’re working solo without a screen partner, your skill at crafting becomes vital.  Crafting means anywhere from ability to endow meaning to objects so they have emotional meaning is important, or effectively get across justifications and point of views.  

[j2spntranscripts]

Welcome!👋

Transcripts aren't always readily available for Supernatural cons and interviews, especially for the older ones.

So I've been slowly but surely, off and on, making J2 SPN transcripts and I wanted to share the ones I've finished transcribing and the sources I've found with those who might be interested.

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•Con Question Index

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[imthedr3amer]

📖 Fic rec: SPN, Wincest, Explicit 🔨

Rating: Explicit

Archive Warning: Graphic Depictions Of Violence

Category: M/M

Fandom: Supernatural

Relationship: Dean Winchester/Sam Winchester

Characters: Dean Winchester, Sam Winchester

Additional Tags: Horror, Hurt/Comfort, Mentions of Necrophilia, Implied/Referenced Rape/Non-con, Mark of Cain (Supernatural), Wall Sex, Established Relationship, Top Dean Winchester, Bottom Sam Winchester [Extra tags by @imthedr3amer: Season/Series 10 (Demon Dean Aftermath), Happy Ending, Anal Sex, Eating Disorder Not Otherwise Specified, Violent Thoughts, Trauma, References to Addiction (Demon Blood), Past Demon Dean Winchester/Original Female Characters]

Language: English

Stats: Published: 2015-06-28 Words: 10,913

Let Me Take You Far Away

(orphaned fic)

Summary: Season 10. It's exactly what they need. A vacation. That's how Dean can make everything else go away. Cas was right. That's all they need. A nice, little vacation.

[This fic may be orphaned, but I believe all effort deserves kudos and a comment. 🫶]

[chiisana-sukima]

ive actually been thinking about it a lot since i posted that and i agree with you that general rape culture is part of the reason people don't notice that sam gets sexually assaulted

like the scenes that are cut and dry sexual assault scenes (no magic. no hell. no magic potion shit) usually portray the woman like a black widow/femme fatale type i.e meg in nightmare and we're so used to seeing those scenes that they don't even register because its the idea that women get their power from sex and being attractive ya know?

so i do think it's less that male victims are played as jokes since most of the time i think the scenes are played pretty straight (for the most part, they guy in tall tales is a big exception and there are sooooo many rape jokes but actual scenes, we usually see sam and dean as not enjoying these things and the audience are meant to root for them to get away so) and more that we're just used to the idea that this is the way women *can* intimidate men ya know?

(also feel free not to answer if you dont feel comfortable <3)

Yup, I think everything you said here is 100% true, and that there are other factors at play too that fit under the "rape culture" umbrella.

You absolutely will not believe some of the insane, hardcore rape apology shit people will say to me in defense of pretend SA in a silly TV show, even after they know I'm a survivor. Because of the demographic of spn Tumblr fandom, most of these conversation partners are liberal women or AFAB nbs. And apparently honestly unaware what they're saying is deeply offensive and horrifying. Some of them are legitimately Sam fans. And to make matters even more tragic, often they are survivors themselves.

Mostly I think we are all--all genders included--afraid. Afraid we could lose control of our bodies, our relationships, our home inside the vessel where we store our Self. It makes us so defensive that to have someone talk about it without subterfuge is seen as a threat rather than an act of human fellowship.

And then as one big part of the defense against that fear, we often emotionally accept--even if intellectually we know it's not true--the pervasive lie that strong, upstanding people can't be raped, and especially that men can't be raped unless there is something so fundamentally wrong with them that they no longer count as part of the social category "men". And we accept the converse lie too; that good people can't rape, and therefore if someone isn't 100% irredeemable the sexual assault alleged by their victim can't really have happened. I see this in fandom with both on-screen and off-screen SA, with SA jokes, and across male and female perpetrators.

A couple examples under the cut. The cut is there in case you aren't a masochist and don't like the feeling of needing eyeball bleach.

SA happens because you're a bad person:

Tbf to OP, post one is liveblogging 12x02, where we don't know immediately that it's SA. Otoh they felt no need to liveblog the reveal that Sam wasn't in fact a dirty whore who was fucking his torturer because he's just that slutty. And the later post on why Sam gets sexually assaulted so often, is not substantially different reasoning

Or maybe it's not SA at all. Because you're a bad person and also crazy (italics at the beginning are a quote from me):

It's not rape if I like the rapist, plus bonus you made me do it because you're a bad person:

And the all time, best ever, gold metal winners, from Mark P and Sebastian Roche:

Video of the panel is gone, but there is contemporaneous liveblogging:

This is from a con in January 2015. Sooooo right after O Brother Where Art Thou when Lucifer made the rape joke/threat while Sam cried. Could totally have been consensual though, because Lucifer isn't as bad as people make him out to be, dontchaknow. And Mark P is a nice guy who respects women (lol), so obviously it wasn't a rape joke. He would never. (┛`д´)┛彡┻━┻

[laf-outloud]

I just want to applaud your answer. Well said

https://www.tumblr.com/laf-outloud/732027138506735616/okay-actions-too-then-you-go-and-ask-jared-all

And to add, there is nothing to let go. Jensen showed us who he was, repeatedly, not just prequel gate, and we believe him. He’s a narcissist that only cares about himself. Some people are fine with that. Others are not.

And honestly, I look through a jaded eye now at all the “help” Jensen gave Jared through the years, and wonder if it was Jensen being a good friend, or if it was to help Jensen. Like telling Jared not to quit in S3. Sure, it helped Jared not get blacklisted, but it also kept Jensen employed.

And when Jared is front of the SPN crowd, he lauds, or Jensen lauds, how Jensen helped Jared. But when Jared doesn’t have that SPN fan pressure, he gives that praise to Gen and how she saved his life. That makes me wonder, honestly.

Thank you! I sometimes wonder if I can get my point across clearly.

There's also a very conspicuous absence of Jensen from Jared's retelling of his breakdown in 2015. No one's been able to really explain that. (Not that they have to, this is just an example.)

I love that Jared and Gen are hitting the con circuit together and having seen them in person, can tell that they are comfortable with each other, they love each other, and they respect each other.

[luvrodite]

tag game!

Rules: list eight shows for your followers to get to know you better.

I was tagged by @st-eve-barnes thank u lovely!!! these are not in any particular order, just what came to mind!

gilmore girls: i watched this for the first time during my last year of high school and it's become one of my comfort shows. definitely my go to when i want to watch something but i'm not in the mood to start something new

teen wolf: shaped the better part of my teenage years, and recently (a year or so ago) rewatched it with my sibling. i miss that era of my life so much lmfao 2015/2016 and comic con interviews etc (for all the big shows at the time, honestly, it was so good)

supernatural: oh my god. watched the bugs and bloody mary episodes in like ?? 2010 when i was eight or something and it was a core memory. properly started watching it when i was 15 i think and i was literally such a die-hard fan of the show. one of my og tumblr blogs was literally just me rb-ing spn self inserts. such a fun time on the internet. bit of a cult tbh but fun times, even though i never finished it.

derry girls: another comfort show!!!! never ever fails to make me giggle and i always return to it every few months. so so so dear to my heart <3333

anne with an e: SO dear to me oh my god. the whimsy! the romanticism! one of the few shows i consistently stuck with through to the end, from release to cancellation. shaped my young adulthood, from i think 15 to 18. came at the perfect time of my life. so so dear to me.

normal people: i think about marianne and connell almost always. came at the perfect time of my life, too. i watched it just before lockdown in 2020, but only the portions set in highschool, i think and then finished it a year later, after so much in my life had happened. i have complex feelings about sally rooney and the book but it never fails to make me feel something, watching paul mescal and daisy edgar jones. the high school portion is what stands out to me most i think, because it was what i remembered so much when lockdown and all that came with it happened.

marianne: i watched this with one of my best friends, and i really really liked the cinematography, and the storytelling. loved the production, and the subtext, all the messy feelings between the protagonists and the themes of friendship and family and love. really creepy and scary, but also felt so human.

the sex lives of college girls: so funny! did not like the ending to the last season, but i liked the characters a lot prior to that. also love ensemble cast shows <3 loved the development of their friendships and their character arcs (leighton!!!!!) watched this during the summer hols this year and stayed up all night watching it hehe

no pressure tagging some of my lovely moots: @theold-ultraviolence @flowerpotmage @oldtowrs

[clarrisani]

The crazy J1 stan blocked me, so here's my reply to their post.

"mememe12345mememeio

Rewatch the panel... you spread a lot of lias like a typical collins stan... jensen and misha literally are not in contant since spn ended based on their own words beside work... they never had mutual friends, hobbies etc. And ever pics of them are either from cons pkus that pr yana stand in 2015... The hug in this jib you write about was from collins to ackles and right after it ackles said that he did not said those words because he did not...that panel is on youtube my god !!! I ever saw death threats just from collins stans and aa for jared for literally breathing. But sent me what yoi saw in last 4 years...thank you

I have watched the panel. They are mutual friends. Jensen and Misha are close. Jensen has said that he'd call Misha in a pinch. They have been in contact since the show ended. Why do you hate Misha so much that you have to project your hatred onto Jensen?

Are there some crazy Cockles fans out there? Yes, there are. But there are more crazy J2 stans who are very loud, especially about their hatred for Misha. It appears that you are one of them, giving all J2 shippers a bad name.

I have watched the panel in question, and nowhere does Jensen say he hate Misha. The gifs you have shown are just Jensen joking around. That's his sort of humour. He doesn't mean it. He is friends with both Misha and Jared. Can you not comprehend that it's possible to be friends with more than one person?

Stop spreading hate in this fandom. Your blog seems to be centred on hating on Misha and anything related to him. Stop giving J2 fans a bad name. We don't appreciate it. Again - spread love, not hate.

[warpedwings]

Misha Collins and Ruth Connell Friendship • Con Moments

Cas & Rowena More Friendship

[lol-jackles]

Idle curiousity: Is it negotiations that determine who gets a picture featured where in convention promotions? Because in Burbank, for example, Mark Sheppard has been in much more SPN and I've met him frequently at cons. He was frequently featured in the show's promotions. Yet I see that JDM is in the banner in a more prominent spot than everyone, plus Mark is not given a picture at all. To SPN outsiders, JDM might be more widely known (based on imdb stats) but Mark also brings multi franchises.

My experience is the promotional pictures are entirely up to the convention owners/organizers based on what they think will bring them money.

Remember the Jensen & Misha banner debacle for the upcoming Chicago con in 2015? Let me remind you....

05/15/2015 - Jared breaks down and goes social media dark. Six weeks later....

06/29/2015 - Misha and Creation Entertainment registers Stands LLC .

08/16/2015 - Jensen and Misha “wins” TCA for best chemistry and tweet their first and only boat ride.

10/16/2015 - Creation Entertainment advertises the upcoming Chicago con with Jensen and Misha and the AKF tagline in their main banner.  Fandom’s outrage forced them to take down the Jensen/Misha banner three days later and replaced it with a Jared/Jensen banner.

02/11/2016 - Jensen and Misha launch the YANA campaign with series of videos filmed on SPN set and lines written by SPN writers.

Conclusion: YANA was a bust and memory holed.

[laf-outloud]

To clarify, when I said Jensen is not a producer, I didn't mean he didn't hold the title or the job. He was given the title and the job, sure. But he has absolutely zero idea how to do it and (going by what I've seen) very little interest, humility, curiosity, or care to actually learn. Never mind the backstabbing part, keeping the idea from Jared was INSANELY stupid from a business perspective. Jared would've helped because he's incredibly generous. Of the two, it's Jared who is the producer. I remember at 2015 Comic Con when Jared was asked if he'd like to direct besides acting he said no, if he was going to do sth else it would be producing. All the way back in 2015 and he already knew what he could do. He's smart & self-aware enough to know his strengths and put effort into cultivating them. Jensen is a passable director who is better than passable when the camera is on Jared, maybe due to what seems like his own weird proprietary-ish obsessive love-hate, admiration-jealousy mess when it comes to Jared. He really should stick to acting & directing. He can make money and minions out of those. Friends, however? Not so much, but he doesn't seem interested in the ONE real friendship we've watched him benefit from over the years, so I'm guessing he's not worried abt friends. He's happy to play up for hellers then sulk when they fall for what is clearly an act, and he's never spoken up abt the hate Jared gets from vocal fans of Jensen. And how many vocal Jared haters has Jensen employed so far? Even creativity isn't his forte: Unlike Jared, Jensen never reads scripts in advance despite complaining (read: throwing ppl under the bus) later and for YEARS abt SPN plots & dialogue. He needs to shut up, stop thinking, accept directing and acting jobs that pay, and bask in the gross horny lies, er, "flattery" from his loon fans. As for Jared, I hope his sympathy, generosity, and kindness don't mean he ends up giving Jensen work on Walker or any other project Jared helms, and I hope Jared never feels he owes it to Jensen to help out by appearing on any fiasco Jensen decides to make. I'm so grateful Jared was never on The Boys or TW. He has ample sense not to, but we've seen how his kindness makes him continue to support Stands to help out. Jared's caption on the latest Instagram post was poignant. Slide through life with people who love you. Not "with good buddies" or "good friends" or even any indication to the bond he and Anson have after surviving that horrible crash. No. He chose to say "people who love you". It's sad that he now knows that there are others who don't and were only ever using him. Remember the cryptic Instagram post a few years ago on his birthday, when he said (paraphrasing here) that it was awful and some people were working against him? I thought it about someone behind the scenes. Now I think it must've been about Jensen. He wouldn't have sounded so hurt if it had been anyone else. Imagine rooming with your costar, discovering you have so much in common, building a beautiful cult show together, starting families and doting on each other's kids, all of it for FIFTEEN years, only to discover the dude you had to create boundaries with wasn't simply too controlling or obsessive because you were his most precious best friend, oh no. It was because he never had any friendship or love for you in the first place. God. I'm so glad he has his family and Gen and his kids and people like Anson. Thank you for allowing me to send you all this. You're a wonderful blogger with a good head on your shoulders and a heart in the right place. I respect you a lot because you keep your criticism where it counts. You don't make fun of people's looks (ppl we hate, like Dmitri, Danneel, etc), for instance. I love your blog. Have a good day or evening, laf-outloud.

Thanks for clarifying the producer part! I totally agree. Obviously, there were issues from even before the announcement, but the fact that Jensen admitted to sitting in his car while everything supposedly ran smoothly on set (and later finding out they had to do a bunch of reshoots), told me all I needed to know about his producing 'skills' early on. And if Jensen decides to continue directing, I hope he takes advantage of some of the directing programs studios offer so he can improve his skills.

I'm truly grateful that Jared's been able to experience a much healthier and loving environment around his family, his true friends, and his coworkers. Every time I see photos of him, he just looks healthier and happier than he seemed to be on the SPN set.

Thank you for sharing everything else, I really have nothing to add because you've said it so much better than I ever could, and especially, thank you for your very kind words! I may get salty sometimes, and don't always get things right, but I do try and stay fair, and I'm glad that you, and hopefully others, see that. Sending love back to you and best wishes for a wonderful weekend!

[zepdeans]

bob singer filming charlie’s gruesome death scene: 😐🥱

bob singer making sure to put extra emphasis on the Windows Surface™ tablet she used to crack the codex: 🤑😎

[sidecarghost]

Felicia Day (Charlie Bradbury) and Misha Collins (Castiel) dancing at JIB Con 6 5/2015✨

Gif source: here

Photo source: Monica D Photography

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[sgt-celestial]

if that poster i just reblogged is legit then. Well shit. im currently re-making my old mechanical wings from a few years ago for a Castiel cosplay (I used them for GOmens Crowley back in 2018) And i was literally about to make them in black again but like. Hmmmmm. Maybe i will continue to ignore canon and make them in black anyway <3

[warpedwings]

I wonder if Misha and Emily were dating before Misha and Vicki divorced? Misha has certainly known Emily for a decade or longer (she was executive director of Lydia Place in Bellingham from 2012 to 2023 and Misha's been involved with Lydia Place since at least 2015, I think.) I know Misha and Vicki had an open marriage and dated other people when they were married. I wonder if Emily was one of them? It's interesting that Emily still lives in Bellingham and Misha still owns a house there (even though he no longer has to be up there for filming in Vancouver and Vicki and the kids live in Southern California now.) I wonder if Emily is the reason Misha wanted to stay up in Washington state after SPN ended? (and/or perhaps she's the reason Vicki wanted to leave?) Misha is still registered to vote in WA, I think, not in SoCal. And I think he still owns a property out on the islands.

Or maybe Misha and Emily got together after Misha and Vicki separated? Who knows, I guess. 2020-2021 was a shitshow all over. A lot of relationships broke down or changed shape. I HOPE it wasn't a nasty break up, though. Misha and Vicki seemed very much still together and on good terms right up until the end of 2019 (with the promotion of the family cookbook and all. Doing their first ever book signings together and such.) But I guess unless Misha chooses to talk about it more or Vicki writes a divorce memoir (ngl, I would so read that!) we'll probably never know.

But anyway. Emily seems like a great person. She did a lot of great work for people in her community with Lydia Place. I wonder what she's up to now, job-wise? I hope it's something equally as fulfilling. (I'm resisting the urge to snoop on her LinkedIn.)

Hey anon. I really hate to speculate about anything related to those aspects of their relationships. What I know is that Misha and Vicki divorced, and Emily and her husband divorced. All the other details about it, about what happened before, during, or after? You could come up with 100 different scenarios, and still not be close to correct, and everyone involved has their own feelings about how and why things happened. Misha seemed to become active with Lydia Place in 2017, and I know there were events and community projects in 2017 where Misha, Vicki, and Emily were together, and then they were all together at a fundraiser in early 2020. So it's apparent they all knew each other for some time through Lydia Place. I know in late 2021 Misha said at a con that he was seeing someone, saying it was 'not exclusive', but I don't know if he was referring to Emily or someone else at the time. I do hope whatever happened that the ending of their marriages were amicable, or at least has come back to a friendly scenario, especially with all the children involved.

From what Misha has said recently, he is still registered to vote in Whatcom County. He does have homes in both places, and he seems to enjoy time with his kids in both states. There are other ties he has to Washington, related to community outreach and programs he's been involved in. Emily has a position in another organization now, and has been active in further community outreach, so it does look like she's continuing to make a difference.

[lol-jackles]

Hello! I've been scrolling your codependency tag and I saw a mention of Jared 'dragging' Gen to jib and something about her being shaken by almost losing him, and I was wondering what that was in reference to? I'm not as up-to-date with wife/marriage gossip, though I've heard bits and pieces about Gen's family being weird

Gen's family being weird? Gen and her siblings are trust fund babies so they may not act quite like the rest of us due to severe lack of fiscal insecurities.

Anyhoo, here is the short timeline:

March 3, 2015 - Jared outed himself for having clinical depression.

May 10, 2015 - Gen and Jeffry Dean Morgan left a British con early. Reasons unknown but fans overheard arguments.

May 15, 2015 - Jared has a breakdown in Geneva, returns to the U.S for treatment, and cancels his Jib con appearance.

One year-ish later, Jared admitted in a private panel and in a book on the SPN fandom that he was suicidal in Geneva.

May 26, 2016 - Jared returns to Jib con, bringing Gen with him.

While the wives sometimes accompany their husbands to Jib con, it's pretty rare so it raises attention when they are there, especially on stage with "the boys". It's my speculation that Gen would rather not attend Jib cons due to the frat boy atmosphere, complete with drinking and lack of handlers. But nearly losing Jared in Geneva may have compelled Gen to agree to make a rare appearance.