#spanish orthography

[drlinguo]

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[asterlae]

The tragic lovers are back :D

I have a lot of lore for them, specially for Wolfwood uwu

[anyonghalimaw]

so weird seeing chinese ppl who have basically the same family name as me but without being ran thru a spanish orthography filter

[panvani]

Or well ig I'm better at non English orthography (to the extent that English has a meaningful orthographic system) when I actually have some systemic knowledge of the language

[mornyavie]

I love the whole "English orthography doesn't make sense" thing where we've all just agreed to pretend that other languages don't have dialects ever.

[broke-on-books]

Okay I'm fixed now (loves languages again)

Anyways schedule of day

10am: necesito que suicidarme; soy grug con rock fuck lenguaje y este examen

11am: vigorously attempting to master grammar + vocab concepts through osmosis and prayer

12: oh actually words are made up and absurd anyways we did this to ourselves

1: temporary reprieve from language classes 🙏😇🌄 oh lol #quirkofcoactivation #languageinhibitionFAIL #linguisticcoactivationbasedorthographyerror in my europol notes teehee. Ok but now lock tf in

2: ok fine I GUESS me voy a clase y levantaré mi mano y todo eso... or whateverrr final clase del día sure

3: said "participatorio" en lugar de "participativa" 3648283 injured 2648273 dead -- but also : )))) right answer to the question ig

4: (haciendo code-switch en una conversación imaginaria mientras regreso a casa) - y hizo algo súper dad-coded, que es-

[businesstiramisu]

#why on earth would i interpret that to be specifically about vowel length

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[neil-gaiman]

Good morning, afternoon or night depending on the time you read this.

First at all, apologize about my grammar and orthography. I'm a Spanish native speaker and google translate is doing most of the work for me.

Now I have clarified some important points, let me tell you how excited I'm about the second season of Good Omens. I discovered the show in 2022 on my first high school year, and I really enjoyed watching every episode. I absolutely fell in love with Crowley and Aziraphale and their dynamic.  Currently is one of my favourite shows and I’m trying to find the book (It’s a little hard to find in my country, but I still looking), so I want to thank you for the happiness you and Terry gave me.

To be honest the show helped me in more than one way, at the time I found Good Omens I was at the end of a crisis. My family is very, very catholic, I was raised into the religion, and that was a little problematic to me because I am a extremely curious person, so It didn't take long for me to question everything I was taught. I know my family don’t want to hurt me, on the contrary, they want to help or "save" me in the way they know but they ended up drowning me in guilt for being the way I was. When I was younger, I used to cry every night praying to God for change and stop questioning the church. Over time I stopped doing it but the guilt persisted.  So I watched the show and I saw Crowley and I thought to myself maybe it wouldn't be so bad saunter vaguely downwards.

And a fun fact: I found it’s that the premiere is going to be on July 28th. Exactly in my birthday! My parents even gave me permission to skip school and watch Good Omens all day! I’m counting the days :D

(I know that there’re almost one month left, but it’s better to prepare the ground)

P.D

I noticed this is too long, sorry. The point is, thank you.

You are welcome.

[linguisticdiscovery]

What’s the difference between a writing system and an orthography?

A writing system is a set of symbols (called signs) that are conventionally grouped together into a script and used to represent language.

An orthography is a set of rules/conventions for using a specific writing system to write a particular language.

For example, the Latin alphabet is a writing system that’s used to write many different languages. Each language has a different orthography: English orthography is different from Spanish orthography, because the Latin script is used differently in English and Spanish.

There are thousands and thousands of orthographies (because there are thousands of written languages), but just a few hundred writing systems. Here’s a fairly comprehensive list of the world’s writing systems:

And another from Wikipedia:

Want to learn more about the world’s writing systems and their histories? Check out my curated list of book recommendations on Writing & Writing Systems:

[hadesisqueer]

Hot take but a lot of times you learn more and become generally more cultured by reading a lot than going to school. Also, in my experience, my friends who are great at Math or just leant towards Science always thought they were smarter than everyone else but got ridiculed later over lack of general culture. "I'm great at Math" okay David but you think Caesar was an emperor, you don't know when the Spanish Civil War started and ended (and bro you're Spanish), you think the Sistine Chapel was painted by Da Vinci and you don't even know how many autonomous communities your own country has. Also your orthography sucks and you think Spain only has a population of seven million?

[krakenartificer]

This is... okay this is an insane message for me to send so I do apologize, but! The 'd' in 'djbouti' is so that readers don't try to make the 'j' into a 'zh', which is extremely common as a mispronunciation in English and French. The 'd' is "silent" but it gives readers an idea of where to place their tongue when starting the 'j', since English uses 'j' to represent multiple sounds. In this way it is similar to 'h' in Spanish! Okay, sorry for thebither. Have a lovely day!

No no, tasty knowledge nuggets are always appreciated, especially linguistic ones!

Yeah, I was thinking about this the other day while I was looking at lists of words with silent letters. Like, English orthography is a mess -- no one can dispute that -- but it's not as much of a mess as some of these lists are implying. Yes, there are exceptions to every rule, and some things you just straight-up have to memorize (sugar, my darling, what are you doing??), but actually most of the weird exceptions are things you've learned by the time you're 12, and all the harder words are pretty straightforward (if you know phonics).

Like, yes, the e in cane is silent in the sense that it's not pronounced ca-nee, but it definitely affects pronunciation (as explained most entertainingly by our good friend Tom Lehrer [x]). And once you know how to pronounce ph, tion, and how e affects the vowels ahead of it (and why you therefore need two fs in affect to stop the e from doing that) ... you can go a long ways on sight-reading English, even when -- as you say -- we're using d to harden a j even though that's not a "real rule".

One thing I wish I'd learned way earlier is that some of our "silent letters" are there to help you understand how words are related -- like the c in muscle, which isn't really doing anything, is there so you know it's related to muscular, where the c is very relevant. I can spell bureaucracy correctly on the first try every time now, now that I realize it's spelled that way because it's related to bureau. And even pterodactyl makes some amount of sense when you realize that the spelling wants you to know that it's related to orthopter, lepidopter, and helicopter.

Anyway, thanks for helping me pronounce Djbouti correctly!

[martinshep]

Intro post!!

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Autistic with ADHD, huge nerd. Agender anthro dog therian!

I make art on @martinshepart

Make sure to check out my alterhuman dictionary project here!

All my posts or reblogs where I say something are tagged #martin originals

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Martin Schäfer

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★☆☆☆☆ would not shut up about languages

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Slightly damaged, still working

I'm autistic and ADHD and still struggling with executive dysfunction. Still learning how to recover from being a former gifted kid and never learning how to socialise. If I'm being annoying or obnoxious please tell me!

Agender because I do not understand gender, although unsure if it's just the human concept of gender I don't understand. However I actively encourage gendering me for the bit!

Therian and transpecies! Specifically an anthro german shepherd mix border collie, possibly with some other herding dogs in there. I also identify a lot with becoming a virtual/uploaded consciousness? Not sure what to call that. Also I'm thesean. If you don't know what that is here's my post about it.

Demisexual and platoniromantic/flectic. Not exact labels but the closest I can get without using an encyclopaedia worth of text to describe myself.

I'm an artist and I'm open for commissions! Check out the pinned post on @martinshepart for details!

Tags

#martin originals - all my posts where I say/ask a thing #poked beast - asks answered by me #martinshep's art - my visual art #martinshep's music - my auditory art #martinshep's languages - my languages related art

Other blogs

@martinshepart - my art blog, I put all my art there @martin-schaefer - my alt nsfw blog that I'll probably rarely use

Current special interests and hobbies:

(Note my knowledge of any of these is not as exhaustive as most people's)

Illustrated art

Cartography

History (esp cultural and economic)

Linguistics (esp lexicography and orthography)

Semiotics

Cosmology

Quantum mechanics and general relativity

The most horrid music you can imagine (breakcore, mashcore, dariacore, dancecore)

3D modelling

Fursuit making

Kandi bracelets

Game design/dev (once I get my shit together and learn C#)

Music making

Furgonomics

4D games

Languages I know, am learning, or am planning to learn:

If you speak one of the languages I'm learning and are willing to help me out please let me know :D

English - I'm a native speaker and specifically speak australian english

Auslan - Taking classes on it and soon will be taking a tafe course on it.

Toki pona - mi kama sona, kepeken tenpo suli. mi pilin e ni: sona toki pona mi lon meso. (I'm learning, slowly. I think I'm at an intermediate level.)

Hindi/हिंदी - मैं बुनियादी हिंदी वाकयों बोला सका। मैं कोश में शब्द मिलना बहुत अक्सर। (I can say simple sentences. I have to look up words in the dictionary very often.)

German/Deutch - Ich kennen en bisschen deutch, aber jetzt ich lernen nicht. (I know some german, but I'm no longer learning it.)

Dutch/Nederlands - Ik spreek een beetje nederlands. Dezelfde als duits echter. (I speak some dutch. Same as german though.)

Spanish/Español - Estudiaba español. Sé mucho poco. (I'm learning spanish. I know very little.)

Croatian/Hrvatska - Still getting around to learning the basics.

I also want to learn arabic and mandarin at some point but I'm waiting until I'm learning fewer languages.

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Me↑ (art by snowflake-sage)

Feel free to message me if you want to hang out in vrchat, infodump to me, get help with art or 3d modelling, lust over my fursona, or just chat! I'm an attention whore so don't think you're bothering me!

I also have a discord server:

I like to listen to fucked up horrible awful music

Here's a google doc (currently under renovation) with a bunch of recommendations that's still a work in progress, I plan to add more to it as time goes on too

I'm like a year late to make this but whatever

[prommethium]

Nothing more humbling than uploading my last fic in Spanish to a Google orthography check... 17k words and 28 mistakes...

28

[languageswithhomer]

❀𝒽𝑒𝓁𝓅 𝓂𝑒 𝒸𝒽𝑜𝑜𝓈𝑒 𝒶 𝓁𝒶𝓃𝑔𝓊𝒶𝑔𝑒 𝒻𝑜𝓇 𝒾𝓃𝒹𝑒𝓅𝑒𝓃𝒹𝑒𝓃𝓉 𝓈𝓉𝓊𝒹𝓎❀

Hi! I want to start independently learning a new language (alongside Castilian Spanish and German - which I study for my degree) but every day I change my mind on which one. So, I’ve decided to leave it up to the good people of tumblr.com. Find my propaganda for each language below the poll. Alternatively, recommend me a completely different language in the notes and make my decision even harder.

Propaganda for Scottish Gaelic:

♡ I have Scottish ancestry and family and friends who live in Scotland (some in Gàidhlig-speaking areas).

♡ I hope to study my master’s degree in Scotland.

♡ I have always wanted to learn a Celtic language and understand more about what came before English colonisation.

♡ The grammar and orthography look complex and fun.

♡ I care deeply about language conservation and this language is listed as “definitely endangered” by UNESCO.

Propaganda for Greek:

♡ I studied Classics for two years in college and believe it’s very important to have a working understanding of the modern culture when learning about a country’s history - as a matter of respect.

♡ I go Greece semi-regularly (maybe every four years or so) and it’s my favourite country to visit.

♡ I already know some of the basics.

♡ It’s an opportunity to learn a new writing system - and it doesn’t seem too difficult when compared with other writing systems like Cyrillic or Kanji.

♡ There are definitely the most resources available for this out of the three.

Propaganda for Hawaiian:

♡ (Note: I cannot find anything which lists the Hawaiian language as a closed practice but if it is, please let me know!)

♡ This is a “critically endangered” language - even more vulnerable than Scottish Gaelic.

♡ I’m very intrigued by its use of apostrophes and accents.

♡ I watched a documentary during a linguistics class on Hawaiian Pidgin and found myself captivated by the words which originated in Hawaiian.

♡ I would love to visit Hawai’i one day and want to show more respect to the people and their culture than many tourists seem to do.

♡ I have already found several resources to start my hypothetical Hawaiian learning journey (beyond Duolingo - which I refuse to use until it starts recognising the value of human translators).

☆ Note: this is my “fun” language, I do not care about “practicality” or number of speakers. I believe that all languages are incredible and should be learned. ☆

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[leolingo]

(rant about linguistics, aphasia and q!quackity’s impairments post-memory loss!!! to anyone who knows more about any of this, PLEASE add on or dm me id love to learn if anyones into neurolinguistics or anything of the sort)

ive been digging deeper into q!quackity’s condition (because I quite literally CAN’T stop thinking abou it) + taking note of his symptoms/behavior and it seems like what he’s dealing with could be called alexia (acquired inability to read) with agraphia (acquired inability to write), which are types of general aphasia, except i still need to know MORE about his production and comprehension i need to get in there!!!!!

it seems like he could be experiencing literal/verbal alexia with agraphia, which would mean he can’t recognize written letters or symbols at all and that is why he’s unable to read (this is all very tentative… all i have to go off of is my psycholinguistics class and as many academic articles as i can read). from what ive seen, q!q hasn’t actually tried to read any signs out loud, there’s no verbal attempt or production of speech which would make sense if he really can’t recognize the alphabet. BUT. what bothers me is that he can speak spanish with no issues. since spanish has a high proximity between phonology and orthography, theory says people who are able to speak it should be able to read and write the phonemes. and he can’t — or hasn’t tried. THAT makes me think he Can recognize the letters themselves

to confirm this i would really like to see him try to spell…. Or just name a letter! if its confirmed he CAN recognize individual letters, then id say what we’re looking at is more like pure alexia (without agraphia) — only a reading impairment, which would cause him to be unable to Arrange the letters in a sensical order. Its tough to check any of this w minecraft as a medium…. with a keyboard (or, in rp, on a communicator/in chat) it’s kind of impossible to know if he’s clicking at random or actually Trying to seek specific letters. but ill say that the way he sometimes dictates what he’s intending to write makes me think he DOES have the visual of each letter in his mind, and just struggles to order them or accurately transpose them

its also interesting to me how theres no sign of a speech impediment. q!q could speak fine from the very first moment we saw him. all hesitation was modal/owed to circumstance and not actually tied to his production of speech. i think that has more to do with the memory part of things! it could be that the extend of his memory alteration only goes as far as his writing and reading do. speech and comprehension come first in regular human development, and those are the faculties he has kept mostly unaltered. there could also be an argument to make about this pointing spanish as his first language (like cc!quackity) and english as his second, which would explain the dissonance between his production in one language and the other — but given that last stream he did express knowledge of english, idk if its relevant

i dont know much about the actual anatomy of things but i think it’s interesting that most aphasia cases are caused by lesions on the left temporal-parietal lobe. AND that its also possible for aphasia to be caused by head trauma like a hard hit to the head or deprival of oxygen (due to drowning? food for thought).

psa i know the situation in canon could be a lot less deep than im trying to make it. i get that. i dont expect the writers team to have researched the symptoms to this extent, but i enjoy discussing it. this is part of my major and a big area of interest for me so i find it really fun :) ill keep reading on this topic as much as i can and reblog w more of my musings if i find more relevant info. baseline qsmp team please let me in i need to study q!q under a microscope (lovingly)

[skaruresonic]

It’s Learn a Foreign Language Month; can you tell us more about Skaru:re other than what you’ve shared so far?

Dialects

Skaruręʔkyéha·ʔ has different dialects that vary by region and even by family. The dialect from our neck of the woods uses a lot of theta (letter θ), or "th-" sounds, as in "the" or "that."

Six Nations in Canada, however, replaces theta with S:

θaʔneθwé·kih = you want it saʔneswé·kih = you want it

Another dialect thing is sometimes folks will swap out N for words with TH in them (in the orthography, TH is pronounced like a T; very confusing, I know).

kę́·theʔ = I am alive kę́nheʔ = I am alive

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Comparison to other Haudenosaunee languages

Skaruręʔkyéha·ʔ can be compared to other Haudenosaunee languages the way Spanish, French, and Italian are all grouped under Romance languages despite being distinct languages. Although we are closest linguistically to Mohawk, we also bear several differences.

Our inflection differs from the kind of inflection deemed appropriate for other Haudenosaunee languages. Mohawk wants people to speed through their sentences - maintain a "flow" of speech - with a special emphasis on the second-to-last syllable.

While we don't know for sure whether the "proper" way to speak Skaruręʔkyéha·ʔ is fast, slow, or a matter of speaker preference, our words are structured so that it's difficult, if not impossible, for us to copy Kanyęʔkyéha·ʔ (Mohawk) inflection. We speak more slowly than they do, for one thing, and our accents are more pronounced, to the point where a change in accent or timing may change the meaning of a sentence.

We are also the only Haudenosaunee language that doesn't use the letter O; we use nasal Ę, pronounced "ih," instead. For example, the Skarù·ręʔ version of the name "Jason" might be something like "Čéysę" (JAY-sih).

I personally suspect a lot of this stuff may have come about from our time living in North Carolina. Maybe our language was a lot more like Mohawk in the beginning and it slowed down as we developed a southern drawl or something xP

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Object-Subject-Verb order

Unlike English, which abides by a very strict subject-verb-object order, Skaruręʔkyéha·ʔ offers more leeway.

"I threw the ball." (SVO order, English) I = subject threw = verb the ball = object

"The ball I threw." (OSV order, Skarù·ręʔ) The ball = object I = subject threw = verb

Sometimes, in fact, it is more appropriate to use OSV instead of SVO, such as when you answer questions, since you respond with the most important information first. The latter form isn't wrong, but it tends to sound... English-y.

To an English ear, this sounds like Yoda-speak (mostly because Yoda actually does use object-subject-verb order). It takes restructuring of your thinking to get right.

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Aspirated H and the importance of stresses and punctuation

The following words all sound the same the first time you hear them, when in actuality they carry subtle differences which I've noted below. You can hear me say them here:

1.) uhčíhręʔ = bear (aspirated H, ends in glottal stop) 2.) učíʔreh = lamp, light (no aspirated H; glottal stop in middle) 3.) učì·reh = bee stinger (downstress, lengthener, no aspirated H) 4.) učirę́hreh = the color brown (no aspirated H, no lengthener or glottal stop)

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Incorporation

Skaruręʔkyéha·ʔ is a polysynthetic language, meaning it takes smaller parts to create a more holistic meaning. That is to say, you can create entire sentences in just one word. For instance:

1.) waʔakyaʔnętahčratyaʔnáhteʔ "someone and I went grocery shopping"

waʔ = punctual past (one time, one instance) akya = someone and I, A-stem ʔnętahčr = noun root of uʔnętáhčreh, groceries; the fact that this noun root is an A-stem means the preceding pronoun is also conjugated as an A-stem, but this will change if we remove this morpheme (see example 2) a = joiner syllable tyaʔn = -tyaʔT, to buy. The T becomes an N here because it abides by the "Big T rule" (Ts in extended conjugations become Ns unless preceded by H) -ahteʔ = purposive, "going to"

A less incorporated form of the same sentence is:

2.) waʔaktityaʔnáhteʔ haʔ uʔnętáhčreh [someone and I went shopping] [the] [groceries]

Students will notice the pronoun before -tyaʔT-, to buy, changes from -akya because we have removed noun root -(a)ʔnętahčr-, which is an A-stem. The pronoun becomes "akti-" instead because the verb root -tyaʔT now takes precedence, which is a C-stem. Therefore we use the C-stem conjugation of "someone and I."

Incorporation is sort of the second rung of the language ladder; when you're first learning, your English brain is used to sentences made up of lots of smaller words, so your sentences will also turn out much the same way. Incorporation, however, takes the word root and folds it into a larger whole.

It's a difficult process, though, because you have to perform mental calculus before conjugating. When you're engaged in everyday conversation, you may not always have the bandwidth to spare for that.

The upshot of incorporation is that it sounds more natural and elegant when done correctly. The downside is that it is mentally taxing to do in real-time, and there's always a risk the listener may get stuck trying to untangle your meaning.