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dootznbootz · 5 months ago
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Odysseus always trusted Penelope. He was ordered to lie to her and it hurt him to do so. Penelope was distrustful of this stranger until she had absolute solid proof.
There are way too many people talking about how "Odysseus lies to Penelope. What a prick!" and it makes me sad/mad as that's not the case at all
The whole "Odysseus usually always has a reason to lie" maybe upcoming essay aside, He was literally commanded by Athena to not tell anyone. And it was with Penelope that he had the hardest time keeping up the act with. Not only because she's smart af and figured him out almost immediately (that essay coming soon too) but because he was trying to keep himself from crying with her.
I think people forget that he is disguised to look like someone else completely. If a random man claimed to be your missing husband, wouldn't you be scared/freaked out?
Anyways, the 3 most important people in his life are Penelope, Telemachus, and Laertes. He lies to all three.
Telemachus: Lied by letting Eumaeus answer him and still under the orders from Athena, did not cry or reveal himself until Athena allowed him to. (I read it as him being in shock. Last time he saw him, Telemachus' hand could only wrap around one finger and now he's as big as him. a bit shocking to say the least)
Laertes: He teared up seeing him but still decided to question and test his father, not by the order from Athena.
Penelope: He was trying so hard to keep from crying, tried to noodle his way out of lying to her, Under Athena's orders. still couldn't help but basically flirt with her.
Also to get this outta the way: No, it wasn't a matter of trust. He is shown to trust her right away. As this happens even before he gets the chance to speak with Penelope.
Staunch Odysseus glowed with joy to hear all this— his wife's trickery luring gifts from her suitors now, enchanting their hearts with suave seductive words but all the while with something else in mind.
(Book 18, Fagles)
If Odysseus does not trust her, why is he so happy to see her "flirt" with the suitors? It's because he KNOWS what she's doing and knows she doesn't actually want them. If he didn't trust her, he would be upset by this.
Now for the "it hurt to lie to her" bit.
Athena's command:
"Tell not a single person in the palace, man or woman, that you are back from your wanderings; but endure all vexations in silence and submit yourself to the indignities that will be put upon you.'
(Book 13, Rieu)
If you are my son—truly of our blood—                                            let no one hear Odysseus is back home. Don’t let Laertes know or the swineherd, or the slaves, or Penelope herself.
(Book 16, Johnston)
And the people he did reveal himself to, he only did so after being given permission by Athena.
Athene spoke to him. 'The time has come,' she said, 'royal son of Laertes, Odysseus of the nimble wits, to let Telemachus into your secret, so that the pair of you may plot the downfall and death of the Suitors and then make your way to the famous city. [...]
(Book 15, Rieu)
He talks to Telemachus before talking to Penelope.
I’ll stay here, so I can stir the servants even more— and your mother. As she laments, she’ll ask for each and every detail.”
(Book 19, Johnston)
Odysseus is already sweating about having to lie to her
The next part would honestly be me just inserting almost ALL the text for this so I'll go into a summary. It's all in Book 19.
Penelope asks him where he's from. And instead of answering, it's a tsunami of compliments. Calling her flawless. Comparing her to a king. etc, etc,
Probably because he couldn't help himself and had to babble about how wonderful she is Who wouldn't? before finally ending with "Please don't ask me where I'm from. It makes me sad."
Penelope, probably overwhelmed by his praise, immediately goes into how "her beauty left with her husband. It did not. And where did you say you were from again?"
"Fine! I'm from Crete..."
And we all know that as soon as she starts crying, after a lovely description of how her tears "melted", he talks about how hard it was for Odysseus to hold in his OWN tears. Lying to her and being unable to comfort her was painful for him!!!
But though Odysseus' heart was wrung by his wife's distress, his eyes, hard as horn or iron, never wavered between their lids, so craftily did he repress his tears.
(Book 19, Rieu)
I love Robert Fitzgerald's translation so as a treat:
[...] so her white cheeks were wetted by these tears shed for her lord--and he close by her side. Imagine how his heart ached for his lady, his wife in tears; and yet he never blinked; his eyes might have been made of horn or iron for all that she could see. He had this trick-- wept, if he willed to, inwardly.
(Book 19, Fitzgerald)
Even with him revealing himself to Euryclea, when she cried out to Penelope, Athena made sure she didn't hear! It's most likely that he wouldn't be able to tell her even if he wanted. Athena was planning something, just as Penelope was.
She spoke, and her eyes glanced over at Penelope, anxious to tell her that her husband had come home. But Penelope could not see her face or notice, for Athena had diverted her attention.
(Book 19, Johnston)
He desperately wanted to be with her again. Literally daydreaming about it!
At those words Dawn rose on her golden throne in a sudden gleam of light. And great Odysseus caught the sound of his wife’s cry and began to daydream—deep in his heart it seemed she stood beside him, knew him, now, at last …
(book 20, Fagles)
Clearly doesn't trust her. /sarcasm
It's PENELOPE that has trouble trusting him. And rightfully so! While she was very certain that was her husband, there was so much going on and of course, she's cautious! He looked like an elderly stranger at first, why is he hiding from her? He somehow took out all those men with only a little help, Athena isn't telling her anything, Helen was kidnapped and she did not want that to possibly happen to her too, etc.
He even understands her cautiousness to be reasonable.
As she spoke, lord Odysseus, who had borne so much, smiled and immediately spoke to Telemachus— his words had wings:   “Telemachus, let your mother test me in these halls. She will soon possess more certain knowledge. Right now I’m filthy, with disgusting clothing on my body. That’s why she rejects me and will not say I am Odysseus. [...]
(Book 23, Johnston)
He even trusted her completely to take care of everything while he was gone before. And he does again when he wakes up and goes to see his father. Telling her about how she too wise to need instruction
Odysseus (and Penelope as well) is well-known for his cunning tricks and how his loyalties are often blurred but one thing that is for sure about him is that he trusts and is loyal to Penelope full-heartedly. He spent every day missing her and their son and wanting to go home to her. The only moment we see his trust in her waver is during the Treebed scene, (which is what she wanted to test).
They are "like-minded". 😭
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slavicafire · 2 months ago
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"I see you wore black to a village wedding," I laugh. "I see you wore a suit to a village wedding," she retorts, sharp smile and curious eyes. "and I would have worn a suit, too, actually, but changed my mind at the last minute."
and oh thank the gods that she did - she looked absolutely stunning in that dress. a bit too revealing, a bit too tight, a bit too black - and shimmering, silver, glittering, swirling in the night as she danced and as she swayed, and even as she put out cigarette after cigarette against the stone fence she sat on.
"I know you judge that I smoke," she says "but forget about it for a second." another smile, she looks up at me through ridiculous lashes. I don't say anything. she hands me her lighter, and I take a bit too long to reach for it:
"I think it broke, I can't get it to work," she sighs, "but you're a witch, no? so I'm sure you can get it to work"
and the night is eerily quiet around us, the sounds of the wedding behind us drowned out by her voice entirely.
"so light me up"
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usahanna · 1 year ago
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THAT'S MY DESTINY! WHAT MORE COULD I DO?
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irlplasticlamb · 3 months ago
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could you show us some afro hairstyles that you have drawn?
hi :) english is not my first language so i wasn’t sure you meant afro hairstyle as in:
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or black folk hairstyles in general! i’m terribly sorry if i misunderstood your message! here’s some examples of my work including afro textured hair:
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fortwan · 2 days ago
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lazzarella · 3 months ago
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via Boom’s twitter (21st of August)
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jouyato · 1 year ago
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practice piece w/ the boys (reference+frameless below)
refed Christ Embracing St. Bernard by Francesco Ribalta but i dont have the cunty baroque colouring style. thats also where the inscription below the frame comes from.
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If Cater speaks in insta, snap and Twitter lingo then Idia speaks in Twitch, Tumblr, Discord mod jargon.
But some of you aren't ready for that conversation yet...
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pinksilvace · 1 year ago
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The dialogue in the most recent chapter (ch13) of At the Dawn of the Light by @lasymit is giving me about 10000 different emotions
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04tenno · 1 year ago
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Kazuhiro Nakaya (Ichiban Kasuga/Akira Nishikiyama) on auditioning for the role of Ichiban!
Full video in source!
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emig22 · 2 months ago
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do you wanna yap about engineering? 👀
- hero-of-the-wolf
I mean that's almost always a yes but it's harder to yap about when I'm not physically talking to the other person.
That being said I have a fun story to share from earlier this week!
So this semester I'm taking engineering and design for one of my electives. Our first project was building a balsa wood tower as a team. One of my team members was decidedly unhelpful (but that is both a story for another time and an example of why being a teacher's pet can pay off) so I ended up doing most of the work because my other teammate was gone one day on a class trip. I had built two panels of the tower and the other two had been built by my teammates and had issues. Not too big of a deal since we're not getting graded on the structural integrity of these things. But once it's all finally done everyone has to test the strength of their towers. We do this by hanging a bucket from the tower and filling the bucket with sand. Very early on I start hearing a creaking, breaking noise coming from our tower (I'm one filling the tower). But I keep filling it. And eventually the bucket is all full and we have to start adding weights. Keep in mind the whole time the tower has been creaking and we can see it peeling apart. We get to the very last weights and as I turn around to grab the final ones the whole thing explodes! Very dramatic, especially since we we're the last ones testing. Someone did manage to get a slow mo of the tower exploding though which is fun!
Hope this is coherent!
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gougarfem · 1 year ago
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fake roma are so fucking funny like... you don't want to be in the romani community. i've been friends with fauxmani and they talk so much shit about "gatekeepers" and real roma. you literally want an ethnicity that is easy to fake and you want a space full of other fauxmani who will endlessly validate you. you don't actually want to be romani, you don't want to learn our language or customs beyond the ones that make you feel special (like wearing the dikhlo, tied wrongly, as an unmarried woman). you want there to be "romani names" you can call yourself and "romani recipes" you can make and you get soooo disappointed when you're told our cuisine is mostly family variations on balkan and turkish dishes. you don't get to cherrypick our culture, you're not reconnecting, you're a white gadjo who wants to claim an ethnicity other white americans know nothing about. real roma will always be able to tell you're a liar and that's why you avoid us like the plague. sorry to burst your bubble but you'll never fit in <3
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rotisseries · 2 years ago
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I've said this before but modern au where the party's collective special interest is warrior cats instead of dnd so they call themselves the clan
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wavetapper · 4 months ago
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the problem with dhmis is that all of its tumblr sexyman shit is completely 100% separate from the show itself but thats the only thing a lot of people on here know it for. which is a shame because unfortunately the undeniable truth is that don't hug me im scared, both the websites and the tv series, absolutely fucking slays
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naruto-ol-protags · 6 months ago
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What are each of the Naruto Online Protagonists backstories?? I wasn’t aware they had any, or if they had a lot of profiles with that listed their own attributes. If you could describe them or provide a link for me to check them out I would really appreciate it!
This is kind of a complicated question, mainly because they are split into: the Orichara contest versions, the first beta versions, the second beta versions (some info on them was retconned), and the current game version (the question is whether browser and mobile count as the same or canon divergence XD). There is also the scrapped intro cinematic video where the protags are kids in the Ninja Academy who seem to be friends? It's honestly a mess that doesn't add up a lot of times unless you follow exactly one version and disregard everything else.
I've been working on a spreadsheet/masterpost on all kinds of canon info available for each protag but it's still being put together and has some personal commentary... Please feel free to take a look at it though 😅
You can also go through the #character trivia tag for more details!
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A condensed version would be:
Azure Fang - she is determined to cure illnesses of the world and specializes in medical jutsu and chakra control. She's compassionate, curious, lively, and often shows her cute/girlish side. Despite being a medic she also readily uses poisons. In fights, she's shown to favor her tantō. Her mobile voice lines suggest that she's rather casual with others when at work and socializes easily.
Breeze Dancer - she's said to be a "royal sister type" and a few of the game ads have suggested her being in some way tied to Sunagakure and the Three Sand Siblings. Interestingly enough her nindō is intertwined with Orochimaru (although they don't seem to be on good terms). She has travelled a lot and thanks to that gained a mature outlook on society. Breeze is the only one who is vocal about having a distinction between good and evil, it seems to be one of her motivations for fighting. She fights using her metal fan, multiple clones, and seduction tactics (on men). Funnily enough, she prefers the company of girls.
Crimson Fist - he's liked and trusted by others and looks more mature than his age would suggest. He specializes in taijutsu and close combat. Crimson is a calm guy who cares for his friends a lot and trains hard to be able to protect them. He also likes to cook and garden, and occasionally sass at the other guys (usually to show off his manliness). Nothing is known about his clan but he has the wood release and a kekkei genkai.
Midnight Blade - younger by one year from the rest, works as a bounty hunter, knows an ANBU skill (up to interpretation whether he just picked it up from someone or was/is in the organization), and fights mostly using kenjutsu. He's cold, not talkative, and pragmatic, his main motivator seems to be money. His ideal setting is a 1v1, when faced with more opponents he loses his advantage. Despite being very professional and concentrated while on duty, he has been, in fact, portrayed as disliking work.
Scarlet Blaze - his lineage is connected to the Uchihas (not said to what degree), he also experienced a clan massacre, it's unclear if he's the last survivor or has some living relatives. He's calm and collected, hardworking, pragmatic, interested in all kinds of the world's ninjutsu, and aware of his good looks. Prefers to engage with opponents by his genjutsu first, and is good at finding their weaknesses. Preferred weapons seem to be kunai but he has been getting some variety with the latest skins.
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I'm also putting the relevant profiles under the cut:
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^ Above are presented the beta profiles (longer and shorter versions)
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^ The more detailed profiles released on the official forum website and in-game
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^ My Ninja Way intro screens with each character's phrase in the bracket
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roseworth · 7 months ago
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this book is so bad it’s pissing me off
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