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I already made my predictions here on the epilogue, but I want to focus on the Yuko Ozawa part since I know some shippers are in panic about it.
Everything I'm about to say is from the POV of someone who did read MHA and been though 431 and someone who does ship ItaFushi. Do I think anyone should agree with me? No. But what I hope what I'm about to say at least ease your panic for the time being.
With that out the way!
Now, I'll reiterate from my other post.
If I were to guess what Yuko's part will be about, I think she may meet Yuji again. It makes sense. However, Gege being unpredictable, I feel like he may not go about making it something "romantic".
If anything, I think he may go the route as to what happened with Hana and Megumi. It's not going anywhere.
A piece of me feels like with this epilogue Yuji and Yuko will have a heart to heart, but Yuko comes out having a new revelation about herself which is to love herself.
If there's one thing about some of the female cast of JJK is that they're unapologetic themselves.
Nobara and Maki are the biggest examples of this. Other examples are Yuki and Uro. Yorozu even is an example as she didn't care what people thought of her.
Miwa may have a little ship tease with Muta, but even that doesn't stop her of being herself. When we do get a bit of her "hiding" herself, it wasn't for a boy. It was because her mother told her to dye her hair black (as it is naturally blue).
Maybe Yuko could get that treatment here and that's why she was chosen. To give closure to her character that allows her to move on.
Again, Gege is unpredictable. I have a feeling that the reveals of the epilogue was to give fans a heads-up and... what is the word I want to use... I can't exactly explain it, but maybe make fans feel like they're getting this possible romance as a "red herring" as to hide that "Actually, no, none of that here".
Think about what happened to Hana (who is no different than Yuko) and Megumi. Most of the story, she was spent crushing on Megumi but that went nowhere.
Thinking about it, when it comes to F/M relationships here, it really doesn't go anywhere romantically.
Miwa and Muta? Muta is dead.
Got a bit of ship tease with Yuki and Choso and guess what? They're both dead.
Nobara deadass states she would never date Yuji (and I'm sure this extends to Megumi, too).
Shoko says Hell would freeze over before she fell in love with either Gojo or Geto. And those two are dead and happy together in the afterlife. 👀
As I mentioned Hana's crush on Megumi? Girl, might as well move on.
Utahime straight up doesn't like Gojo and he's dead now.
Yuta had that childhood romance with Rika and she died and whatever he has with Maki isn't really canon. They're just friends.
Yorozu had a thing for Sukuna, but he was not feeling her at all. And they're both dead now, so...??
See the pattern here? Wouldn't it be odd for Gege to give Yuko and Yuji something explicitly romantic when they haven't done much before?
Out of the four characters, Yuko is one of the most background of background characters (I say that will love before someone comes for me). Nobara, Uraume and Panda all have some involvement with the more active parts of the story. Much like Fumi and Saori was to Nobara and Tsumiki is to Megumi, she was a character part of Yuji's story.
However, what did those other characters have that she didn't?
A close relationship. You know who else was like this to Yuji?
Rin Amai. "But Kiya, he didn't--" Ah! Rin was also someone from Yuji's past that also was affected by Yuji's presence in some way. And he managed to get some bit of closure to his character. He gets this in 270. Rin apologizes to the kid he didn't stand up for and allowed bullies to harass. Despite not getting forgiveness, he still was able to apologize, accept what is done and move on.
Yuko may get this. Last time, she didn't tell Yuji her feelings because she didn't want him to like her for her looks. That's a regret and one time about JJK characters is they don't want to live with regrets. With Yuko, she may need to tell Yuji her feelings so that she can move on from that regret and focus on being her most unapologetic self.
I don't know Gege personally, but I do feel that this could be the case and honestly, I do hope that it is. It would be good for her and yeah, I don't really feel threatened by her presence. I'm going to still ship ItaFushi so...
#i know with gege and horikoshi being buddy buddy people are in panic gege may follow#but 431 ended with a DAP UP! BETWEEN A GUY AND A GIRL! like really think about that#i would not be surprised if that's the case with Yuji and Yuko#they dab up and be like 'alright have a nice life'#just kiya's thoughts#jjk#jujutsu kaisen#jjk spoilers#jjk manga spoilers#itafushi#fushiita#itadori yuji#yuji itadori#ozawa yuko#yuko ozawa#meguyuji
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Hate to say it but female celebs getting witch-hunted for doing 1 wrong thing (or sometimes not even that) has been the Internet and on a broader scale, the media's favorite past time since Forever. Blake is the latest example, but going farther back we've got Rachel Zegler, Amber Heard, Taylor herself, Janet Jackson, Britney Spears, and so, so many others. They take one misstep and suddenly everything else about them is fair game for gross speculation and character assassination. It's sickening to see tbh, especially since male celebs don't even get a fraction of this treatment. There are literally legal documents and evidence of Brad Pitt's disgusting, actual DV against his wife and children and he's not getting an ounce of hate that Blake got for *checks note* wearing florals and not talking enough about DV.
Not saying the criticism for the way Blake promoted the movie was wrong, but I will say that everything that spiraled from it came from a much worse place than constructive criticism.
why hate to say it? it's true lmfao. i mean, when this first happened, i was hesitant to say it was happening simply because of Sexism. i was willing to believe it was a creative dispute that got out of control even though it felt like something critical was missing. but am i surprised that all of this is coming out? no.
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Crazy how Fionna and Cake are treated like secondary characters (both in the show and in the fandom) in their own show.
#adventure time#fionna and cake#you could really rename to be “the existential misadventures of simon petrikov ft. some random ass lady and her cat’’#and nothing would change#something something the treatment of female characters#I love the show but this is impossible to ignore
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shout out to daan fear and hunger for being a (textually) male character whom is narratively a woman. orange really hit it out of the park with that one
#korro.txt#by which i mean every single archetype that daan encapsulates is usually one applied to female characters#'poor orphan sex worker is adopted by a rich family and made to be the heir's concubine esque partner'#is a very common archetype in regards to 1800s fiction#which late 1800s is the time period of his life taking place in f&h#ive gone on before on how daan & the von dutch's whole deal is just genderbent frankenstein#and also him being a male victim of csa and sex trafficking#like idk its just nice to see it. not something a lot of stories even bother to discuss#ofc this also makes the fandom treatment of him as both the fandom bicycle and ESPECIALLY daarin dynamics#extreeeemely. weirdchamp#the leftism leaving people's bodies the moment a male character is a victim etc etc#fear and hunger#daan
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Toshiro Nakamoto getting the same treatment as female characters that “get in the way” of gay ships in media with mlm fandom pairings is maybe the most interesting thing to come out of Dunegon Meshi
#dungeon meshi#delicious in dungeon#shuro dungeon meshi#toshiro nakamoto#laois touden#falin touden#marcille donato#chilchuck#dunmeshi#I used to think the way female characters who get with male characters that are in a mlm fandom ship#was just some sort of weird misogyny#but now I’m not as sure#the way I’ve seen people react to shuro isn’t something I’ve seen a lot of male characters receive in terms of treatment#as a lesbian#I love farcille#but shuro is also an extremely interesting character and I don’t hate him for liking fali
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hey, maybe a hot take, but I think the best relationships are the ones where one character isn't just the other's romantic interest, they have more arcs than that, yk
#i swear i can't believe there are people who say “jay just being nya's boyfriend is great bc she's been a love interest for so long”#like. dude. if you have to downgrade one so the other can shine then. it doesn't work.#both characters should be able to be their own characters on their own#jay hasn't had a dedicated arc for himself since. s1 and his coming to terms with his parents arc. soo#I think mayybee#it's better to have female characters who can have their own independence without applying the same treatment to their partner#im just rambling. god. fandom jaya. you are something#early nya treatment was horrible i know#but at least Nya has had like. 3 arcs related to her powers (5. 14. 11)#arcs related to finding out what happened to her family. improving her relationship with her mother and accepting their relationship.#Jay sure has had... his arc with Cole in s4. which also related to the love triangle
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a female character isn't allowed to be a character that is also female. she isn't allowed her own agency and complex motives nor any deeper emotions without it being centered around the male cast around her or a child. even if she's not a mother, she remains one because she could always potentially become a mother or she is the ‘mom character’ to the men/children around her and her actions MUST reflect that. if they don't, she's labeled a selfish bitch. if she is an (actual) mother than that's all she is—she isnt allowed deeper characterization or discussion because thats all she'll ever be, that's all she was made to be. male characters are allowed to be fathers (lireral or in the sense of providing for the people around them) with deeper feelings but a mother? never a mother.
#← this is found in both fandom treatment and (oftenly) the writing of the source material too#anyways this related to last post and the one before that where i said i wrote tags that are just too sidetracked to the post lol#ransom note#cant wait for people to ummm actually me about good female characters while fully ignoring the point of this#like no shit its a broad statement dipshit its used to open discussion about female characters often being reduced down#to only having purpose in their ability to be a caretaker to the surrounding cast around them.#like the problem isnt that theres mom characters. it isnt women taking care of people or being healers#its that theyre not allowed the same emotional depth compared to many male characters#something i liked in atla if i recall correctly is that katara wasnt a passive character. she cared and cared deeply and messily#she chose forgiveness to her mother's killer for HER story and growth. not because she had to for his#she stole shit and got jealous and was angry but she was still caring and healed. she still looked after people.#instead of just. oh shes there to be a 24/7 doormat to the male cast around her and their goals instead#and the FANDOM is the one that reduces her down to a bitch or just immature or an emotional support lamp#or whatever they do to reduce her down usually so they can prop up the male characters they like more.#like do you see where im going with this. do you get the point of the post...
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you know, i always find it really funny when dudebros complain about syndicate and odyssey being too "jokey" or not "taking its characters seriously" or whatever…
like, did y'all collectively sleep through "it's-a me, mario!", "i meant besides vaginas", ezio inventing the latte, bartolomeo's... just... *gestures vaguely* entire character, etc?
like, it's fine to have preferences of course, i myself prefer a more serious and grounded tone, but these are usually the same people who tout the ezio trilogy as "peak assassin's creed", call ac1 a glorified tech demo and hate on connor for being "too serious and boring", like? make it make sense!
#asscreed#ac syndicate#ac odyssey#dont get me wrong#i do have problems with syndicate and even more so with odyssey#but it's not the tone lol#honestly i think kassandra is the protagonist that's the most similar to ezio if you really think about it#but bc she's a woman she's suddenly 'overpowered' and 'unrealistic'#yall don't remember the insane things that ezio survives in revelations do you#speaking of which#been replaying the ezio games lately#and i have something to confess...... i really don't think ac2 is good#ac brotherhood was a BIG improvement#in terms of story pacing for one (none of those insane unmotivated time jumps... well aside from the strange montage at the end)#and the characters are a lot more fleshed out (probably bc there aren't like 20 of them)#and the handling of female characters is MUCH less egregious#maybe bc there's only really claudia and caterina left LOL#lucrezia is a little annoying i guess... but she gets a pass bc she's cesare's sister and really they're the same kind of crazy lol#and hey we actually get to see how dangerous sex work can be and how it's not just a way for sexy nuns to give inner peace to men#even cristina gets fleshed out!#and i like that we get so see ezio being a little bit of a selfish prick in her missions#and making bad decisions in interpersonal relationships#at least i THINK that's what we're supposed to take away from it... but who knows maybe it's just supposed to be a tragic love story...#i hope not.... i hope the player IS supposed to think that ezio's treatment of her is bad. otherwise.... :/#sorry for rambling#guess im just kinda surprised by how much i enjoyed brotherhood#it had been a long time since i last played it#also the modern day is really good!#that you can talk so much to everyone and also being able to read their emails and the mundane banter... idk i just think its neat :)
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I am so looking forward for Sam, Gwen, Alice, and Lena to be completely ignored in favour of two voices from a fucking computer.
#fairly cold take but this fandom has a bad tendency to ignore female characters#and Sam cause he's probably gonna get that treatment too cause minority#in favour of male characters#particularily Jon and Martin#look it's cool I'm interested in seeing what they're doing with Jonny and Alex' voices#clearly it's SOMETHING#but there is a whole new cast of cool main characters here#i swear by season two we're gonna have 10k fics about Norris/Chester#and maybe 5 about whatever canonical sapphic pairing shows up#the magnus protocol
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All wlw should watch fried green tomatos
All mlm too
Everyone should watch fried green tomatos
#it’s my wlw cinematic masterpiece#seriously#how many movies have wlw#and feminism#and anti racism#and inter generational female friendship#and the treatment of older women as human beings and characters of their own with respect and dignity#and also cannibalism#imagine earl had to die nanananannanaaanaaanaaa but even better#90s movies are something so personal to me
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“pressley showed more growth in liking aliens than ashley ever did”
oh look your ride is here
#rebekah rambles#mass effect#ashley williams#there is something to be said about how minor male character does the smallest gesture#and gets exonerated after death but female character doesn't get the same treatment
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the relationship between me and quiet metalgearsolid is just like ursula k le guin and lavinia from the aeneid
#I'm actually pretty serious about this#tl;dr lavinia never talks throughout the entire aeneid even though a lot of its later plot is based around men fighting#for possession of her (and her kingdom). she's a character but more importantly she is a symbol and her actual personality is#mostly obscured by INSANE levels of misogyny#which is a meta situation similar to quiet's!#I've been fascinated with quiet ever since I first got into metal gear in middle school and it's *because* her treatment is so cartoonishly#misogynistic#she's fully intended to be eye candy which ironically makes her really interesting to characterize + play around with because she has so#much room for interpretation on account of being an Actual Cardboard Cutout#something something women at the margins of the story#but personally for quiet redesigns/reimaginings I like her to be a little silly :3c my quiet playlist is my pinned post for this blog and I#tried to balance it between being fun/relating to her as imagery as a character/commentary on her being fanservice#but like I don't want her to be relegated to the ''has the braincell'' spot where interesting takes on female/minority characters go to die#I want her to have agency AND be a weird fucking creature!!!!
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People love to claim they support Women’s Wrongs until they’re asked to actually pay significant attention to a female character who isn’t universally deemed Cool™.
#like. I don't EVER want to hear about lady d or everyone's favorite computer girl as ''examples'' of how people love unhinged women#do you still Support Women's Wrongs when the woman in question is ''''in the way'''' of your ship?#do you still Support Women's Wrongs when the woman isn't seen as *sexy* (either physically or having an alluring voice)?#do you still Support Women's Wrongs when she shares the story with men?#do you still Support Women's Wrongs when you're not attracted to the woman committing them?#like in most cases on this godforsaken planet the answer is resoundingly 'no' to all of these#I could say...something even MORE bitter about my feelings on this but I will refrain for the time being#part 574823903 of 'mc13 complains about treatment of female characters in fandom'.......
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Miraculous ladybug be like “this 14 year old girl is irredeemably evil”
#I hate the Lila plotline she’s a middle schooler or something why is she an evil mastermind#the fact people still believe her lies is getting kinda ridiculous#the writer’s treatment of female characters is kinda sus sometimes
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I would like to make an addendum to this piece with the new chapter out and say that I was wrong about Phillip, he's great, 10/10 he went from being a giant red flag of a character to being genuinely relatable and man do i feel bad about side-eyeing him for that line he said last chapter
Also this chapter finally wrapped up another plot thread I was waiting for it to return to and waaaaaah seeing someone else's POV on Helene is so nice (and we finally got another flashback of OG Helene for like,, the first time in literally forever). Helene being called out as a lonely person who hides her kind feelings behind a cold expression...man suddenly my fondness for Helene is increasing thousandfold
Like literally how the fuck does this manga keep making Helene better and better there's literally nothing disappointing about her character and im STILL shook about it
#The Mighty Extra#no fully colored art today gotta process my feelings over the Helene bits in today's chapter LMAO#Helene continuously getting the best treatment in this story utterly shocks me as someone who is too used to seeing female characters in-#shounen-esque ending up as wasted potential fgkjggfkj#Helene is literally so perfect as a character i love her i love her i love her I LOVE HER I LOVE-#i don't draw Helene enough to show it outwardly but rest assured she occupies 99% of my current brain capacity 24/7#also the way I went from going “oh god why are you like this” to Phillip to “ohhh OHHHH okay no i get it you're very baby” is very funny#that last line makes complete sense for Phillip and it's so cool to see him show off a lot of character development in one go#for a character who is relatively minor i love how the creator made him really understandable and sympathetic like damn#i don't usually care for second lead male LIs but Phillip is surprisingly a strong and endearing character#so much so i think he's now going to forever be embedded in my mind as what a well written character looks like#me before 77: ehhh im not sure if im as excited for this chapter as the next few bc it's probs just gonna end up as#Phillip just being an ass and Fian being jealous about him#this fucking manga every goddamn time i doubt it: hey so want to learn more about Helene and see Phillip get massive character development-#that shows how mature he's gotten but also go back to several plot threads and mysteries and showcase how Lyla is severely in danger and th#war that Fian is starting is something that legitimately needs to happen to keep her safe and also here's a OG Helene flashback that-#you totally haven't been craving for promising to return to why Lyla shipped Helene/Fian in the first place and why she feels guilty about-#taking Fian from Helene (and also suggests Helene deeply loved Fian in the OG timeline which is one big awwwwWWWW and now it kind of-#sucks that Lyla DID rip Fian away from Helene but hey at least Helene has Paris now instead (oh the irony))#fun fact i actually kind of do ship Fian/Helene#at least the OG versions of them#idk seeing how attached Fian is to Lyla and imagining him doing the same to OG Helene is really fucking cute#i am SO FUCKING DESPERATE for the original story behind TME's plot to exist you have no fucking idea#and 78 looks promising as to revealing how OG Helene (/Lyla) reacted to OG Fian's death so like#im begging for next week's chapter already i NEED to get a continuation to that death scene#(also calling it now but if Lyla's real name is actually Helene im going to fucking scream)#(for more reasons than one oh my god)
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i have many thoughts on how Mouthwashing handles the themes of abuse and the symbolism around it especially as a survivor ... im not gnna hold back so -
first of all i think since its clear the point Jimmy is dismissive of Anya´s personhood and his perception is warped towards what he does as a Captain rather than what he does as a man, it makes sense she doesnt get her own labyrinth or such , i cant argue around that because its realistic he´s so male focused he cant even bother to truly think about what he did to her, i would love it if Wrong Organ decides to do a side story vignette of her own perspective and view in the future if the game proves its successful enough for side content like that.
Assault is something usually not handled with subtlety in games, i think what struck me the most was how real the dialogue of her coping and suicidal ideations and how Curly responded to it felt , the dancing around the subject, the deflection, the "whats next" of the ever impending consequence of pregnancy, how Anya pleads for help from the person she trusts but nonetheless a man unequipped and too emotionally attached to the abuser to be able to confront him, its so real, Curly´s lack of initiative is something Jimmy fully takes advantage of the moment things dont go his way, he turns everyone against him even as a helpless body on a bed because he needed to be in control of the situation, thats what abusers do.
A more sensationalistic game would have easily played Anya´s helplessness and assault for shock for sure, because it would be easy, she is the archetypical victim trope, shes modeled in Wendy Torrance likeness from The Shining, shes meek and unsure of herself and Jimmy shoots her down from the very beginning to make her feel unqualified and cornered, but the furthest the games goes is making Jimmy terror towards the pregnancy and the baby as a boogeyman that crawls and tramples over him. No sights of bleeding legs or her crying or screaming and much less present objectification of her body (which is something that i always think the horror genre has such a struggle not grabbing onto, sexuality is mostly always played up in assault stories especially if the victim is an adult woman), she remains a fully clothed figure and maintains the agency to her own demise, away from Jimmy and beside Curly, which is tragic and obviously still a symptom of horror´s proclivity to back female characters into corners of self inflicted punishment, but the alternative would have been that sooner or later, Jimmy would have killed her.
Its clear to me that the game used Curly´s state as a way to put a barrier between Jimmy and Anya, we dont objectify Anya, but we objectify Curly, Anya doesnt just feel pained and unable to handle Curly´s medication because shes in a sensitive state, her comments about his noises and such draws a line between her trauma and her perception of things as Her fault, she cant handle hearing his struggles and cries trying to swallow a pill because it reminds her of her own helplessness, so she leaves the task to Jimmy, someone who has no qualms in forcing someone down, the emphasis of every treatment as a repetitive process and the sound design is all very poignant and for me, a great way to handle assault as a metaphor, Curly did not consent to being in this position, it is very much still Jimmy´s fault and the fact that Jimmy is basically keeping him alive against his will even to the last moment of the game says everything, Jimmy doesnt love Curly the same way he doesnt love Anya.
The horses are not lost on me, i think horses as animals are often seen as "viril" symbols, strong and often volatile, they can be often hard to mount but when one does the rider and animal are seen as this one all powerful entity, like centaurs, which also carry symbolism of assaulters mind you, so while maybe not intentional on the dev´s part i think it still points to the Horse as a symbol still important in the game, the only spoken audio lines of dialog come from the Pony Express mascot Polle itself, and they are the first to actually confront Jimmy´s self centered line of thought and over-focusing on Curly, if the Tulpar is akin to a beast of a burden then Jimmy beat the dead horse way long ago.
All in this to say that Mouthwashing was a really good experience and i really hope the dev team is interested on expanding a bit more on it because i trust their vision.
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