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robert smirke being just some fucking historical guy in england will never not be funny, like imagine being robert smirkes ghost and you hear that theres a piece of media talking about your achievements and such long after youve died. you reasonably get excited and alexander hamiltions like dude be careful. its never good when youre in media now adays. and you shrug it off because hamiltion was a great musical. and then you listen to the magnus archives. and holy shit. you wished it was hamiltion.
#tma#the magnus archives#tma podcast#shitpost#hamilition#shout out to my main man robert smirke#lets not forget tmagp where issac newton pulled some victor frankenstein ass shit#what is jonny sims writing if not abosutely screwing with dead historical figures#thats why we love him
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So, Apollo and jewellery!!
I want to start off by saying that Apollo (or any male god, really) wearing jewellery is not a common occurrence in the ancient greco-roman art forms. So there's not a lot you can get, but I've put together whatever I've found so far.
On the vase paintings, you'll find body chains across his chest and there's bracelets too:
^ He also has a leg bracelet in this one
In this painting, along with a body chain and a bracelet, there's a thigh band and a finger ring as well.
Then we have waist belts. I did entertain the possibility of this being an embroidered belt. However in the first image, the belt is gilded with gold, so imo it's meant to be a belt with gilded gold, if not made entirely of gold.
In this Etruscan painting representing Apollo going to/coming back from Hyperborea on a swan, he's wearing necklaces.
Apollo wearing a necklace and an arm band seems to be a fairly common sight in the Etruscan art (so Aplu, technically ig), as seen in these two statuettes:
and some Etruscan mirror arts:
Now moving onto the diadems! A diadem referred to something you could tie your hair with - it could be a ribbon, a wreath of fresh leaves, or a jewelled wreath/head piece - it's the last one that I'm counting as jewellery. Diadems like the one Apollo is wearing below were usually worn by noblewomen.
You can also find depictions of Apollo with a jewelled wreath on his head. They resemble a laurel wreath, but they're made of gold, and have gems embedded. Here's a statue for example:
There are also Roman frescos and mosaics that show you what it actually looks like in color.
And here, you can see not just a gold diadem, but also bracelets on both his hands as well as anklets on his legs:
And there's what seems to be earrings as well? But honestly I'm not that sure, it could just be a damage on the fresco (even if that's the case, we can still appreciate the winged eyeliner amirite)
There's also this fresco of Apollo judging a beauty contest between Venus and Hesperus. Here he is not wearing a gold wreath, but there is a gold band upon his head:
And unlike other pieces of jewellery, you'll find literary references as well for Apollo's diadem:
"When Apollo was born, Zeus equipped him with golden headband and lyre and gave him also a chariot of swans to drive" – Alcaeus, Hymn to Apollo (trans. David A. Campbell)
"Apollo puts his hair in order by shaping his flowing locks with soft foliage and braiding it with a golden diadem." – Virgil, Aeneid 4 (trans. Ingo Gildenhard)
"...he fastens bay about his lyre and the woven brilliance of his coronet, and ungirds his breast of the pictured girdle..." – Statius, Thebaid 6 (trans. J. H. Mozley)
"But you will say, Phoibos has a goldgleaming diadem." – Nonnus, Dionysiaca 4 (trans. William Henry Denham Rouse)
[Inscription]: "Apollo the mighty, Lord incomparable of the Diadem, who hath set up statues of the Gods in this kingdom" – Ammianus Marcellinus, History 17 (trans. John Carew Rolfe)
[Inscription]: "Mighty Apollo, seated upon truth, Lord of the Diadem, who hath gloriously honoured Egypt as his peculiar possession" – Ammianus Marcellinus, History 17 (trans. John Carew Rolfe)
And that's pretty much everything I've come across so far. I was a bit surprised at the lack of literary references for the effeminate gods. Not just Apollo, even Dionysus' effeminacy is described by his fair face and long hair and perfumed garments, and there are no mentions of jewellery afaik. But of course, just like with Apollo, you can find jewellery on Dionysus in the visual arts.
#Apollo#“is that an earring or just a very strangely drawn earlobe?” <- me looking at some of the vase paintings#and it was indeed a weirdly drawn earlobe everytime#lol#also I was internally giggling when I was zooming in on Apollo's finger ring in that one painting#i know rings as symbols of betrothal wasn't a concept in that time period but-!!#i couldn't help but think “ooooh who gave him the ring? 👀”#also anyone who knows more about ancient greek jewellery please tell me if men wore body chains at all??#because I couldn't find anything to support that historically#but in the paintings several male figures wear it so it couldn't be coming out of nowhere right??#mine#apollo info#jewellery
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no context for. any of these
#ok some context for thomas jefferson peepers#i think watchdogs back on their home planet draw fanart of him like that cuz hes basically like a historical figure to them#n also cuz its funny asf#woy#wander over yonder#save woy#art tag#meme tag
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I just learnt there's a new movie about Chopin in the making O: It's called "Chopin, Chopin!" and directed by Michał Kwieciński; all the info about it is just from the last month so there's no teaser yet
#maybe of interest to some#I know that the 2002 movie is beloved by polbr for the truly deep and introspective chicken scene#but I'm always happy to see more media about historical figures
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a last day // 1911
// the escalation (graphic! NSFW!!! oh no what are the men doing🥒💦) herein is a patreon exclusive, do consider dear readers 😎✨//
#and there is like 17 squares of it yumyum#1911#historical fantasy#i keep writing the nasties into these things so i am struggling to figure out how to even share some of the stories cuz#at least one so far starts in the bedroom so i cant fade out like usually ahahahah
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Worm!!
#sewing#handmade#worm off the string#giant worm on a string#idk what it is with me and giant worms lately#I also don’t know what I’m going to do with this work#*worm#this worm is about three feet long#for some reason I’m thinking maybe its name should be Garibaldi?#but upon looking up the name (because it rang a bell)#perhaps I should research the historical figure more before deciding. I only knew about the fish#it’s just a fun name to say. maybe I’ll name it Archibald
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The only thing I disagree with is the implication that Bechdels transphobia to trans men is not as serious, because it is. But in this case she has also done a lot of important activism in other areas which is why she's a legend in the lgbt community, and the flaws in her work and her personal politics cannot be overlooked. And in comparison to Andrew Hussie, her work is obviously more significant. Obviously. Andrew Hussie has always been an OPEN racist bigot who wrote the n word into their comics and just cause a bunch of white lgbt ppl found solace in a comic made by a blatant bigot who encouraged children to say racist, ableist, transphobic, misogynistic slurs doesn't make homestuck in any way comparable to Bechdel's comic.
You don't get to point the flaws out in the work of a lesbian historical figure just so you can get people to ignore the work of done edgy cunt who hasn't done a minute of actual lgbt activism in their life. If we're holding everyone accountable we will hold anyone accountable, get a grip.
#and i encourage not idolising historical figures but i am also not going to tolerate anti intellectualism in favour of some stupid racist#comic written by a white person who loves being racist
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1/? tudor aesthetics:
⎯ henry vii and elizabeth of york
#gonna post some of my picspams here#historical figure aesthetic#edit#historical edit#history aesthetic#aesthetic#perioddramaedit#*my edits#the white princess#twpedit#henry vii#elizabeth of york#henry x lizzie#jodie comer#jacob collins levy#otp: the welsh dragon and the white rose#tudor aesthetic#tudor era#picspam
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Wild how we know that Elizabeth Woodville was officially appointed to royal councils in her own right during her husband’s reign and fortified the Tower of London in preparation of a siege while 8-months pregnant and had forces gathering at Westminster “in the queen’s name” in 1483 – only for NONE of these things to be even included, let alone explored, in the vast majority of scholarship and historical novels involving her.
#lol I don't remember writing this - I found it when I was searching for something else in my drafts. But it's 100% true so I had to post it.#elizabeth woodville#my post#Imo this is mainly because Elizabeth's negative historiography has always involved both vilification and diminishment in equal measure.#and because her brand of vilification (femme fatale; intriguer) suggests more indirect/“feminine” than legitimate/forceful types of power#It's still bizarre though-you'd think these would be some of the most famous & defining aspects of Elizabeth's life. But apparently not#I guess she only matters when it comes to marrying Edward and Promoting Her Family and scheming against Richard#There is very lacking interest in her beyond those things even in her traditionally negative depictions#And most of her “reassessments” tend to do diminish her so badly she's rendered utterly irrelevant and almost pathetic by the end of it#Even when some of these things *are* mentioned they're never truly emphasized as they should be.#See: her formal appointment in royal councils. It was highly unconventional + entirely unprecedented for queens in the 14th & 15th century#You'd think this would be incredibly important and highlighted when analyzing late medieval queenship in England but apparently not#Historians are more willing to straight-up INVENT positions & roles for so many other late medieval queens/king's mothers that didn't exist#(not getting into this right now it's too long...)#But somehow acknowledging and discussing Elizabeth's ACTUAL formally appointed role is too much for them I guess#She's either subsumed into the general vilification of her family (never mind that they were known as 'the queen's kin' to actual#contemporaries; they were defined by HER not the other way around) or she's rendered utterly insignificant by historians. Often both.#But at the end of the day her individual role and identity often overlooked or downplayed in both scenarios#and ofc I've said this before but - there has literally never been a proper reassessment of Elizabeth's role in 1483-85 TILL DATE#despite the fact that it's such a sensational and well-known time period in medieval England#This isn't even a Wars of the Roses thing. Both Margaret of Anjou and Margaret Beaufort have had multiple different reassessments#of their roles and positions during their respective crises/upheavals by now;#There is simply a distinct lack of interest in reassessing Elizabeth in a similar way and I think this needs to be acknowledged.#Speaking of which - there's also a persistent habit of analyzing her through the context of Margaret of Anjou or Elizabeth of York#(either as a parallel or a foil) rather than as a historical figure in HER OWN RIGHT#that's also too long to get into I just wanted to point it out because I hate it and I think it's utterly senseless#I've so much to say about how all of this affects her portrayal in historical fiction as well but that's going into a whole other tangent#ofc there are other things but these in particular *really* frustrate me#just felt like ranting a bit in the tags because these are all things that I want to individually discuss someday with proper posts...
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Further fun in the notes of that terf’s Complaining About Things Nobody Said, In A Video I Didn’t Watch post
Who wants to make “Corset-Defending Coterie” t-shirts?
#historical costuming#dress history#will go nicely with the Corset Apologist pin I want to commission someday#The same comment was incredulous that the YouTuber dared to criticize some thing Mary Wollstonecraft said#which honestly seems like a very dangerous way to look at historical writing. Like. No figures should be considered critical analysis#yes she contributed a great deal too early feminist thought. But if you can’t accept criticism of what she said#you’re putting her on a pedestal and that’s not a great way to think about historical people#*above critical analysis
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Message for amrev/hist. Lams Tumblr!
Let's talk about Du Ponceau portrayal. Du Ponceau isn't girly, he's soft. Du Ponceau isn't a pushover, he's kind. Du Ponceau isn't semi-bilingual, he's fluent in around 10-12 languages, and learned English as a small child, pursuing it since, even being mocked for it in school. Du Ponceau isn't a goddamn plaything. If you want to portray him as Von Steuben's partner, do it, but don't forget that homosexuality was fully illegal in the 18th century, even if they were around safer people at Valley Forge. Du Ponceau isn't stupid, he's curious. Du Ponceau isn't a throwaway filler character with zero trauma and no real life, he's one of the most complicated historical figures in the fandom, I'd say. It feels weird to call real people a fandom, but please take this into consideration.
#amrev#american revolution#amrev fandom#historical lams#lams#john laurens#alexander hamilton#baron von steuben#von steuben#serious#pierre etiénne du ponceau#pierre duponceau#peter du ponceau#peter stephen du ponceau#history#historical figures#uwu#i actually dont know how tags work just reblog this for people who might need to touch up on some of these#👍
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season 2 of clone high might have killed joanfk and spat on its corpse but i still love this ship with all of my heart, even if the show does not LOL
#clone high#clone high art#clone high fanart#jfk clone high#clone high jfk#joan clone high#joan of arc clone high#clone high joan#clone high joan of arc#my art#i have missed them so so so much#i even started working on one of my old clone high fanfics from 2020 that i lowkey abandoned LOL#honestly might post abt that fanfic once the new chapters done#but anyway#i adore them so much and i will never get over how poorly the show did them#i hate getting depressed over a ship of clones of historical figures bc its weird BUT I CANT HELP IT I MISS SEASON ONES POTENTIAL FOR THEM#i liked season 2 but im also lying if i said i do not slightly resent it LOL#in my head there are like two versions of the clone high canon#one where season two never happened and joanfks potential as a good ship stays cemented forever#and one where season two does happen (in which case i ship the hell out of some jfk/abe and jfk/confucious LOL)#but yeah basically joanfk is my roman empire and shipping them is my canon event
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Ancient Roman Poets on a Modern Date
Catullus (Gaius Valerius Catullus)
If you meet him before Lesbia, he will be charming, eloquent, and happy to go wherever you like, although his funds could be limited. Even so, he'll make sure you both enjoy yourselves. Theater or concert tickets in the plebian--nosebleed--section, for instance. If you meet him after Lesbia, there is a possibility he will spend the entire time trauma-dumping about his ex. If you also have one to complain about, this could be cathartic.
Vergil (Publius Vergilius Maro)
He takes you out to his beehive dressed in full bee-keeping gear to introduce you to his bees and then goes inside, where you sample different varieties of honey drizzled over fruit. He is sweet, but does talk about fields and bees a lot.
Ovid (Gaius Valerius Catullus)
Let's be honest. This might be more of a Tinder or Grindr hookup than a date. However, it's possible you met at a theater, race track, parade, or seaside resort. If you are aro/ace, run away. If you aren't and you are interested in seeing if he truly is proficient as a teacher of love, stick around. Don't expect him to be faithful, however. And although his manners are perfect, remember that it's an art and a game to him, so guard your heart.
Horace (Quintus Horatius Flaccus)
He'll take you out for a night of expensive dining and pay for it solely because the friend of a friend that owns the place owes him. He is charming company and can get you into any exclusive club or private experience you want to go to, but will expect reciprocated favors. Also, he turns on the charm, but absolutely expects to be complimented in return.
Sulpicia
She plays hard to get initially, not wanting to be too obvious with her affection. The first date will be YOUR choice. Pick well and she'll follow that with a candlelit dinner and eternal devotion. She does have expensive taste, however, and she would absolutely report you to her scary uncle if you break her heart.
Martial (Marcus Valerius Martialis)
He takes you on a picnic. Despite this being in the country, he'll opt for fine wine and gourmet food. He's easy to talk to, funny, and catty with his gossip. However, he'll also go on about his childhood in the country and how he went hunting and fishing and how he misses the simple country life. (All while sipping from an expensive goblet.)
Livy (Titus Livius)
He takes you to a museum and acts as your tour guide throughout the entire thing. Who knew that your date would double as a living and breathing audio tour? You're supposed to eat at the museum cafe, but you may not make it there before it closes... If you're a fan of history, you're in for a treat.
Iullus Antonius
Iullus is a huge romantic and just as charming as his famous father. He will show up with flowers and take you on a date in a small, undiscovered restaurant and to a lot of cute places that are off the beaten path. Whether you hit it off romantically or not, he's the kind of guy who could be your ride or die. (Spoiler alert, when he says he's your ride or die, he's extremely serious. 💀)
Albius Tibullus
When he falls, he falls hard. He takes you on a date in an orchard. This includes picking grapes and then tasting wines. If the date is before he was entranced with one of the lovers he wrote about, all is well. If not, he might get a little teary eyed about his past love(s). He is polite, sweet, attentive, and apologetic though.
Juvenal (Decimus Junius Juvenalis)
He takes you to an expensive restaurant and makes it clear he is only paying for HIS meal. The entire time he criticizes everyone else in the restaurant for being posers and judges them based upon appearance, status, and gender. His date is not a safe place for anyone who doesn't fit his definition of traditional values. Definitely talks about kids these days and the degradation of society.
#inspired orginally by @just-late-roman-republic-things#ancient rome#ancient roman memes#classics memes#ancient roman poets#okay yes I added Iullus because I feel bad for him and Julia and I wish some of his poetry had survived#and yes some scholars believe sulpicia isn't actually a real historical figure or did not write the poems but I wanted representation#and personally Iullus or Virgil for first choices#tho I love catullus and would also pick him#national poetry month
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guess who dug up some old ocssssss
these were all supposed to be in shows at some point. maybe I’ll remake them if I’m bored
these are from last year and earlier this year
#fun fact renaissance painting was based off a real guy in my universe who was also called renaissance painting#he was like a historical figure of some sort iirc#object show art#object show community#osc oc art#osc fandom#osc ocs#osc oc#osc art#osc community#osc#object show fandom#object show oc#object shows#object show ocs#objectshow#objectsona#object show character
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ULTIMATE HISTORICAL FIGURE OF TUMBLR DOT COM!!!
Now I know as the op I'm really not supposed to give my opinion.. however I severely underestimated the amount of ea nasir stans and I really think gavrilo princip could use some votes and if him and franz ferdinand both go through it would be really funny.. just saying.. okay sorry don't cancel me for voter interference please please please ea nasir is also super interesting
#IF GAVRILO PRINCIP GOES THROUGH AND FRANZ FERDINAND GOES THROUGH THEN WE CAN ALL MAKE SOME REALLY REALLY FUNNY JOKES#HE STARTED WW1 FOR GOD'S SAKE GIVE HIM SOME CREDIT#COME ONNNNN GAVRILOSWEEP#HES SO COOL HE KILLED THE ARCHDUKE AND DRANK OUT OF DATE POISON THAT DIDNT WORK....#ultimate historical figure of tumblr dot com#gavrilo princip#sigh i only want to tag gavrilo to give him a headstart but that would be so unfair#ea nasir
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augustus and marcus agrippa
#roman history#tagamemnon#roman empire#roman principate#augustus#gaius octavius#marcus agrippa#marcus vipsanius agrippa#i feel like posting this after the augustus hot or not poll is funny tbh#+was really fun to reference off their statues+written descriptions of augustus#anyway uhm how to have a homoerotic bestfriend in ancient rome. have him marry your daughter. make him live in your house. and so on.#loser fridays#my art#i'm generally not that into the emperors/empire but augustus is very interesting tbh#its something about his aura of mystery and how expertly he manipulated his own image#also some of the weird details abt him like the asparagus thing. funny. like he was a horrible person but also a freak and that makes me#like historical figures tbh.. the combination of warcrimes and strange eccentricities . slay#also the fact that he was really sickly and like constantly on the brink of dying and yet outlived agrippa and all his heirs...
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