#skamfr thoughts

[odi-et-amo85]

Thoughts on Skam🇫🇷; season 12, episode 8, clip 3

It just breaks my heart that, just when they delivered their imho best season ever (and maybe one of the best in the entire franchise), Skam France is discontinuing production of anymore seasons.

Seriously, this stuff is so good. Honest conversations with peers in similar situations, Maël’s questions and doubts (that clearly show the production team did in-depth research into the asexual experience), and a support group? Brilliant, 5 stars, applause. 👏

Also, I really like the pace of these storylines. We’re in episode 8 now, and even though it seems the greatest crises have past, there’s still ample time to work through the other things that occupy Maël’s mind. (his feelings for Jade, some sort of catharsis with his former friends and of course the rising tension between his parents)

[surrealsunday]

10 Things I’ll Tattoo on You

10 Things I Hate About You AU

It’s a terrible idea from the start. Eliott knows that. But when presented with the possibility of a date with a cute boy for a generous sum of much-needed cash, could anyone blame him for taking resident-asshole-Charles-Munier up on the offer? Well, yes. Lucas Lallemant could. But there’s no need for him to find out about the arrangement. A date and it’s done. Easy enough. Or it would be... if Lucas wasn’t... Lucas. Head-strong, stubborn, cheeky, and everything Eliott didn’t know he needed. In conclusion: He’s fucked.

CHAPTER 8

[lucidpantone]

lisa thinks she’s is julie andem but the writing is not that good

Oh shit someone wants to start some shit!! fighting words! There is only room for one Scandinavian overlord in this house. Haha

This is funny your sending this because I am about to give you guys a skam/YR crossover moment but anyways.....

Firstly, I really think it's hard to compare Julie to anyone. I mean Julie redefined an entire genre of YA media. She is like a pioneer/visionary that changed the game forever. Lisa isn't really that and hasn't claimed to be. As writers tho Julie is all about raw authentic and human stories. Not a ton of fluff and very precise drama. Lisa is like the opposite her style of writing is dramatic, explosive and loud. They are polar opposites. My issue with Lisa is she tends to over do certain narratives. Like I feel like we have been seeing Wilhelm in his struggle era for 3 seasons. I would like him to just have a little bit of self reflection. I thought we got there at the end of s1 and even s2 and then we sorta of walked it back. It's getting a bit repetitive. These are the kinds of things Julie is a master at navigating an arc and having every interaction connect to a large theme and a narrative that is told via nuance. Lisa isn't as nuanced and detail oriented as I would like but I still think she has done a solid job. Also remember Lisa says everything she writes she has to justify to film for Netflix. Julie is basically the movie equivalent of A24 everything is raw, gritty and indie. Lisa writes for a Netflix audience. Very different people. I think Lisa is more in line with like a David for Skamfr or even Shirley honestly. They both feel very Scandinavian to me tho. Def a style of that region of the world.

[theinvisiblemuseum]

I mostly avoided skamfr in the first seasons because paintfucuking was not my thing, and then I wanted to find out where they would go for the other seasons.

I am a Arthur+Lola seasons victim.

When the girl gave birth without even knowing she was pregnant I tuned out again thankfully

as a paintfucking enthusiast, i understand. to be fair. skamfr fans were insufferable, saying that as a reformed fan. (i mean. will i ever truly be reformed? no. give me a good elu fic and say the word mec in my presence and i am reborn again) watching the arthur/lola seasons live was such a wild fucking ride tho... were u there for axelauriantupdates? if you were, you deserve a veteran’s discount, those were dark times. 

i was gonna watch s7+ bc i thought they were gonna make max the s7 main, but the second the tiff trailer dropped, i lost any remaining shred of interest i had in skam france and quit that shit cold turkey LOL. i know they made a maya season last year, and that would have maybeeee been the only one i would have come back for, but i was busy and uninterested at the time so all i know is that maya and lola broke up for no reason booooooo 

[wings-of-a-storm]

I’ve been thinking about Skam France all day, bit by bit, because I didn’t want to rush my feelings on such a heavy episode. It is a lot to take in, to process, to breathe through...

First and foremost, I am very excited about Maya. I loved that we already got a bit of her POV when she first laid eyes on Lola. That was definitely a very cute moment.

But the funeral scene… That was something else. That scene changed everything for me.

As brief as we’ve known her, Lola has always been a character crying out for help; someone who is incredibly vulnerable and who has a very promising and fulfilling journey in front of her out of her protective isolation. I felt sorry for her, the way you do anyone who is clearly struggling and feeling alone with it. But it was the funeral scene that had me committed to her. I realised then that I would stand in front of her and actually hiss at anyone -- even the boy or girl squad -- who even inadvertently tries to hurt her in any way.

Like many people, I’m sure, that tipping point was when Lola lost her seat on the family pew. How when Daphy was upset, Lola stood up to make room for Basile because she wanted Daphy to be comforted, only to have Basile accidentally take Lola’s spot and leave no room for her, with no one in her family realising and shifting back over for her. She got locked out of her own family, cast adrift into the cold aisle, standing alone in such a humiliating way for everyone to see.

That moment almost broke me. Especially because Lola stood up to make sure Daphy could be taken care of -- because there is so much love under the anger -- only for her own grief to be pushed aside like she doesn’t matter. It was an act of love returned with a slap.

Obviously it was so unintentional from everyone on that pew to do that to Lola (and grief is a horrifying pit of darkness that can steal your awareness of your surroundings), but it still felt like such a betrayal from the people closest to her. Like, of all days, of all moments, you cannot exclude her or block her from the comfort of the communal grieving process within the inner circle. You cannot erase her like she doesn’t exist, like she isn’t grieving deeply in her own way. And it’s made all the worse because Basile puts his back to her. He needs to sit that way in order to comfort Daphy, but far out, that does things to you psychologically -- it acts as a literal barrier right in front of you that only reinforces that sense of you not being thought about, cared about, or belonging to/allowed in the group.

She seemed so small and discarded, and I felt so angry deep in my chest for them to do that to her, to neglect her so badly even though they didn’t mean to. I just wanted to scream: “It was her mother too!” My emotions just completely took over; it really affected me. And that was before I realised what her story was and why she has felt so alone and angry on her own. So I have to hand it to Skam France -- they may have some shocking misses but what they do right, they really do right. That was some very clever and emotive storytelling.

Special mention goes to Lola’s private grieving afterwards outside with her mother’s flask and all the layers that brings (falling onto the same path, hating herself as much as her mother, finding comfort in that connection to her, etc).

And one more special mention goes to Eliott and his framing in this clip. When you’re feeling as alone and unseen as Lola would have been, having someone like Eliott do what he did would have meant a hell of a lot to Lola, I think. And it was really clever afterwards to show Eliott in the background sitting alone with that big empty space next to him while Lucas played the keyboard. Yann was in front of Eliott, I know, but the visual of the empty space beside Eliott on the pew was very effective after what he just confided to Lola. They both felt very connected by that sense of separation from the larger group right then. I really love how Skam France did that.

What a very emotional first episode, right? Wowza.

[sloanesgf]

manon & mika to lucas

[sandalwoodhusbands]

Conspiracy theory: the only reason why they're dragging out all the drama is because they want to hit 1M on the Samedi 9:17h clip

[ahomeganeyatsu]

What really hurt me the most in the clip is seeing Lucas slowly come down from that peak of emotion. There's just such a lost look in his face when he looked down at his bleeding knuckles, that what the fuck am I doing, what the fuck am I feeling, I mean, that's how I read it anyways.

I'm probably projecting since I've felt that kind of turbulent emotions Lucas had experienced. I mean, it's not the same but that shift from nothing to everything in that span, it gives you whiplash and you feel like you've been cast into the ocean with no lifeline and you're just floating there feeling empty because you felt like you just put everything out there in the open and you just feel nothing anymore.

The way the clip ended with Lucas closing his eyes and the screen blacking out, it's like Lucas accepted the deep and dark place he's in. Blacking out everything else and it's just him. Him and his emotions and thoughts.

Axel was brilliant as always. Fede made me hurt a lot during Marti's outburst I cried but Axel sure as hell made me feel empty right after that clip.

[skamakatvgoals]

Just think about it

Lucas is just as nervous and excited as we are right now 😭

~

And that’s how you make a good show, ladies and gentlemen!

[mayfjeld]

the look of relief on his face??? the TEAR???

[kit-moosebuckle]

Yann Thoughts

On mobile so I can’t to a “Keep Reading” WHOOPS

He is a teenage boy. They are kinda known for doing stupid things.

He is a STRAIGHT teenage boy. They are not known for knowing how to deal with queer people stuff.

He is a straight teenage boy IN FRANCE. I’m American, but I understand that France is in a place further to the right than Norway on the “how conservative are we as a culture” spectrum. Italy is too! But the tone of Martino’s season is overall very hopeful—Gio and the boy gang’s responses balance out all the mental health stuff. I’d argue that SKAM France is going for a more realistic-to-how-France-is reaction.

I don’t think Yann’s problem is with Lucas liking (loving!) a guy. I think Yann has spent weeks watching his “best friend” act weird and pull away from him and their crew. I think Yann waited for Lucas to come to him—and then, when Lucas didn’t, gently confronted him—and then got annoyed and frustrated and hurt when Lucas lied to him about there not being a problem—and then, inelegantly, told Lucas that how Lucas was not healthy or fair to the people close to him. (Which, as a queer person with mental illness(es), I appreciated, though Lucas wasn’t in the right place to process it as it was intended.) Over and over again—and remember, teenage boy, so like, twice—Yann entreats Lucas to unburden himself by telling Yann what’s up (or, less preferably, telling someone else, just SOMEONE) and Lucas says no, there’s no problem. And Yann is hurt, and worried, and frustrated.

And then! His best friend comes to him! And says “can we talk”! It’s what he’s been waiting for! Y’all look at his body language, his expression, for the whole first half of the clip homeboy is surprised, but nodding, attentive, actively listening, “shit yeah mec, you like a guy and that guy has a girlfriend, he’s playing you, yeah this makes sense for why you’ve been so weird”

And then, at least in the English translation, Lucas says, “I promise you, I wanted to talk to you all about it, but the truth is... I could not talk to you about it.” And I can almost see when Yann’s frustration rises from the grave because, shit, what has he been telling Lucas all this time???

Now, we know Lucas doesn’t mean it like that. Lucas means it like, “I was scared, I was so fucking scared, because your opinion means a lot to me and it would’ve been devastating if you’d rejected me.”

Yann, a straight teenage boy in France, does not hear that. I don’t think he (currently) comprehends Lucas’ fear—in the past or in the moment. And, though it’s clear to Lucas that he means Yann is the one he trusts, Yann does not hear that. Yann hears a list of people—the nurse, Mika, Chloe, Manon, Emma and Alex, Imane—Lucas was apparently able to tell (for a given value of “tell”, the girl gang as a group being more emotionally observant than the boys) before he confided in Yann.

I think Yann is back in that place of “are we friends, or is this just pretend?” When Lucas asks, “what do you think about it,” Yann truly doesn’t know. I’m pretty confident that he doesn’t really care that Lucas is not-straight, but he DOES care that their friendship has been pretty damn compromised, and he DOESN’T KNOW how to be a good ally at this point. He DOESN’T KNOW how damaging his response is to Lucas. Because he’s a straight teenage boy in France!!

And should we hold (straight) people to a higher standard? Sure! When someone comes out, is it about them, not you? Yes! But please don’t demonize Yann, because he hasn’t had a chance (or a reason: Lucas) to learn yet.

(Lucas bb hang in there—Yann, don’t let me down)

[odi-et-amo85]

Thoughts on Skam🇫🇷; season 12, episode 7, clip 6:

We 🥳 finally 🥳 have 🥳 a 🥳 canon 🥳 aroace 🥳 character 🥳 in 🥳 the 🥳 SKAM-verse! 🥳

Typical skamfr to stop after this peak, but nvm, we made it people. The circle is complete or smth… 🥹

[surrealsunday]

helloo! wow it’s been a little while ngl! but when when chap10 was posted i was like “do i read it now or wait till the epilogue is posted? 🤔” and i ended up waiting for the epilogue, idk in my head it’s as logic sjsbdb. meanwhile i decided to rewatch stranger things + skamfr kinda at the same time bc it’s been way too long (for the latter). then the epilogue was posted and haven’t found the time or energy to settle and read the last two chapters (we love uni for that). till tonight!! so here’s my not so little review of the chap10 + the epilogue 😅

-> chap10

woaaah im at loss for words for how cute and beautiful that chapter was omg! the vulnerable moment right after the intensity of their love scene hit me right in the feels, lucas’ “please don’t hurt me (again)” and then eliott hugging him tight saying “i promise” 🥺MY HEART🥺

also these little acts had me giggling and kicking my feet

gosh i’m just so giddy when it comes to them like- THEY. ARE. IN. LOVE. 🥹

OH YEAH the moment when idriss came back home and said “I swear, if you fucked in the kitchen, Eliott -" made me think of that one scene in tempo (i think) when he discovers they did it on the counter and there was like evidences or sth and i just burst out laughing 😭 like i imagined him being so done already with them (/affectionate of course)

-> epilogue

MY HEEAART!! i know i’ve said it like a million times already but i’m so soft for theeem 🥺

i really loved how eliott reassured lucas during the moving, how they once more opened a little to one another. then lucas asking him to say something true abt himself, eliott’s little story was very cute despite starting kinda sad :(( but that little parallel to the minute par minute scene but this time it’s eliott calming lucas down ☹️

but goosh i’m in love with their love, in every universe istg 🥰 like i smiled SO BIG here!

now real thing: i cant believe it’s over now :/ i’m gonna miss them so much, these version of elu is definitely one of my favorite! i wanna thank you for writing this fic that, i’m sure, helped a lot of people (including me) escape their boring ass work/uni life ahah. every time it truly has been an amazing time, even when pain was dominent sometimes. but as always i’d say sjsbsb

wishing you a wonderful friday and weekend, i’m gonna spend mine mourning elu!10things and thinking of how much their love is incredible in every universe 😭💞

gosh i just realized i forgot about to say some more things in my previous message 😭 in my defense it’s 1am so- anyways

i’m also very thankful you listened to the little voice in your brain and wrote that little epilogue, the quote of kat is one of my favorite and it’s really well included! would have been such a waste not having lucas saying this tbh.

also the last pic of chap10, eliott’s post with the shadows…wow i literally stared at it for 10 good minutes it was so well done! especially lucas’ wild hair sbsjsb (also i see you have been generous for some parts 👀)

finally, i thanked you for the fic but i also wanna be grateful to your friend julie for pressing you making this fic alive ahah, bc yeah your elu fic are really one of the most emotionally amazing and still being able to read elu content in, now, 2023 is truly incredible ♥️

Oh my gosh I somehow completely missed the notification for these messages in my inbox. I'm so sorry! I was not ignoring you, I just am a useless human 😂

As always I absolutely love hearing your thoughts. I'm so glad you liked chapter 10 🥹. It was interesting pairing smexy times with some super raw emotional nakedness. I liked it tho. It felt right and natural in the moment.

Your memes btw aldfkjalsdfkja. They kill me 😂😂😂

I thought about Idriss in Tempo too at that moment! I truly don't know why I keep doing these things to poor Idriss lmao. But I make it up to him with Manon. So I don't feel too bad 😌.

Ok, so I very much got minute-by-minute vibes in that moment of the epilogue too, but it wasn't pre-planned that way. I kinda love that you had the same reaction. It just sort of happened and as I was writing it occurred to me that it very subtly nodded to that classic Skam moment. It seems they're determined to be that way in every universe.

Ahhhh the shadow pic! It's one of my faves! I get obsessive about most things (this is not news lmao) so it wasn't surprising that I obsessed over getting those shadows right, but in the end when it did look like them I was sooooo satisfied. And yes, satisfied with the very lovely booty on Lucas too 😌. It makes me so happy you liked it too!

Really it was my absolute pleasure to share this fic, most especially because I seriously do have the best readers in the world, and you all are so generous in leaving me your thoughts and feelings about the story (there is really nothing better than that as a writer). It's a big part of me coming back to Elu over and over, I think. I love reconnecting with all of you. And of course I'm more than happy to provide distraction from real life!

P.S. I told Julie what you said and lemme tell you... the way she got all proud and puffed up on herself 😂😂😂. I told her to take it down a notch but she's already kicking into high gear on harassing me for new stories lol.

Anyways, all the love to you. Thank you again so much for sending me your thoughts as you read the story. 💖💗💞💝

[lucidpantone]

This wtfock new gen series came out of nowhere. I don’t think they had this planned following Yasmina’s season. The lengthy period, many fans left, the timing feels off. I wonder if the company behind the production is that desperate? I haven’t been following closely but I believe they haven’t had a hit like wtfock in ages. Even that series with Nora Dari right after S5 was virtually ignored.

Similar anon: Who at sp*tnik thought it was a good idea to bring wtfock back tho 💀 missed their 💸🐄 too much?

So a fan who used to be on tumblr but isnt anymore asked Veerle about a new gen at the end of yasmina's season. Veerle confirmed that it was possible for wtfock to newgen but at the time it didnt seem they had any plans and to be fair I could see the company not telling the actors because the show was so dear to them (I mean they cried filming the beach party scene) so I assume production didnt even give them a hint of a new gen happening.

I think the whole thing is a combination of alot of outside factors. So firstly some of their investments (shows) didnt do so well like Nora's show. Nathan's show 2DEZIT seems to be doing okay. Its not like a off the wall hit but it seems to be doing okay. Mesjes I think is still going and so clearly wtfock provided the gap in retaining a teen audience. Like mesjes is for the kid to preteen audience. 2DEZIT is young adults to adults. Not having wtfock around just created a huge gap where they weren't capturing the teen audience. Also they could graduate this gen into nathans show too(we know this because skamfr told us they considered a college spin off with their newgen so its possible) because new gens are free reign no rules. Also whether we like it or not remakes do really well. I mean skam italia was a Netflix no.1. THATS MASSIVE!! I just think sputnik needed a guaranteed hit and they knew that wtfock could be the cash cow for that and they have the infrastructure to now keep these characters going for years......

[justafangorl]

today i watched the new clip and for the first time all season i cried.and i cry a lot at the littlest things usually, but i didn’t cry when lucas saw lucille and elliott.i didn’t cry when lucas cried and said that elliott didn’t care about him. i didn’t cry when they reunited at the tunnel and i literally didn’t know why i couldn’t. i felt sad when all of these happened and i wanted to cry but the tears wouldn’t come. until today.i cried and i did it for the last person i thought i would cry for, and that was lucille.She cares so much for elliott, even though their relationship wasn’t the best and all the shit she went through for him and all the time,energy,love,and patience she had for him showed how much she cared.and just listening to her tell lucas all the things he needed to understand and do to take care of elliott hit me like a ton of bricks and broke my heart.she knows that he loves lucas, i think she always knew, even when she thought he was just another guy like the others, she knew, and that shit is so heartbreaking. She literally could have just left lucas to deal with and try to understand elliott’s MI on his own, but she didn’t because she put her jealousy aside and wants elliott to be happy and safe and loved even if it means it’s not her providing these things for him and that’s why i have so much respect for her after this clip. The SKAM France team has blown my mind once again and i can’t wait till they make me cry next season.♥️

[wings-of-a-storm]

So this new Skam France clip is really effective in punching you in the gut a bit, eh. The layers and layers of hidden hurt that get exposed from virtually every character... And all in different ways!

First you have the communal sharing of stories where there is obvious sadness, frustration and hurt conveyed (with hope too). Then you have a more severe reaction from Noée, with a lot of obvious pain underlying her 'warning' and subsequent shutting down. And finally we see even the sweet and bubbly Camille falling into a helpless silence when Arthur asks him how he feels about the hearing world/friendships within it. Like, damn, Camille couldn't even verbalise/find words for how he felt... He didn't want to scare Arthur but he didn't want to lie about whatever he has been through either...

That stuff was pretty powerful, like a relay of pain.

It also seemed pretty foreshadow-y of the difficulties Arthur may come across from time to time, in ways he can't anticipate yet (even if his core support network of friends are amazing).

This isn't our first Skam rodeo (for a lot of us), so we were of course anticipating and dreading this swerve in mood within the same week or day, but it is nonetheless clever storytelling to show the two extremes of someone like Arthur with a great, well-intentioned support network so far, and a more sobering snapshot of some of the hurdles the deaf/HOH community have had to go through on a daily basis (often leading to the need of finding support and understanding elsewhere or concurrently to their Hearing friendships).

(Speaking of external support, consider me very intrigued by Noée's story. This is the second time now that she has greeted Arthur with such welcoming and warm smiles, only to shut down as soon as Arthur mentions friends. This time she even walked away pretty abruptly, which goes against her very welcoming behaviour just seconds earlier. It feels like perhaps Arthur's potential friendship with her will be about him helping her as much as it is about her helping/guiding him?)