#skam italia cast in italian fiction/movies

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SKAM ITALIA CAST IN ITALIAN FICTION/MOVIES

Ludovica Martino and Federico Cesari as Diana and Lucio Volpe.

/ Don Matteo 11x17 / 2018

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Federico and Terence Hill aka Don Matteo, Italy's most beautiful priest.

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So, I recorded most of the meeting (I am just missing a few seconds of it) and this are the highlights from it:

- Since the meeting started with data about the LGBT rep on screen, Bessegato commented that 25% of all Italian products (in 2018) having LGBT rep might seem very little but it still shows a good trend that can only improve.

- As you might have noticed from the casting, he doesn’t believe in ‘token’ characters to reach a quota and doesn’t really believe his narrative choices MUST have political connotations. A character must have depth and a story to tell, it’s not about giving rep to everyone (I don’t see why you can’t find a way to have some rep and also tell a meaningful story, Ludo, but whatever... ). Fiction has a very limited vision on reality, it can’t have the pretense of focusing on every aspect of it. There should be more products dealing with differents aspects of reality and the society, instead of expecting each product to tell the story of everyone (that’s what I got from his answer)

- He said also that young people are bound to say slurs (no, he wasn’t referring to the n-word, more like ‘fattie’ etc.) and that we like Skam Italia because it’s different from what we are used to, where people use nice language and are always called out on their toxic behaviour...

- He repeated what had already been said in Rome that he chose start S2 with REAL MESSAGES left to the GayCenter Helpline to say that ‘okay, what you’re about to see is going to be a real positive and hopeful story about a LGBT character, but we haven’t forgot and we aren’t blind to the fact that the reality in Italy can be very negative. He also said that the idea was there in the og as well, but he didn’t like having just a couple of frames that many people didn’t even know where there, so he put his own spin to it.

- Pietro was asked how much of himself - as a LGBT activist - he put into Filippo. He answered that we really cannot phantom how much it means to him to have been finally able to make the two realities meet (being an actor and activist) in his first major role. He made a very passionate and heartfelt speech about how we shouldn’t fight stereotypes in a way that makes those who do fit those stereotypes feel ashamed of themselves. It’s important to stress that that can’t be the only kind of representation provided, but not like ‘omg, a effeminate gay is inherently poorly written and shouldn’t be shown’. 

He was a bit afraid of Filippo turning out to be a badly written character. He doesn’t really headcanon Fili as an activist. He could be, though.

The “Pride” clip was an effort from the whole crew. 

- Narratively speaking, Besse found refreshing to be able to talk about a same sex couple. He knew the responsability he had towards the topics discussed in the season and found it exhilarating rather than frightening.

He confessed that he hoped the teaser (the one on the beach) would cause a bit of a ruckus (it would probably have, had it been on national TV, Ludo), but it was also glad that it didn’t (that it wasn’t perceived as too much, too vulgar).

- He did mention CMBYN in respect to what said above. He literally said “Ha aiutato il film di Guadagnino”(’Guadagnino’s movie helped’) Some people are interpreting as “Bessegato admitted he took inspiration from CMBYN”, but I personally don’t. I think he was saying ‘it paved the way for way for Marti/Nico not to be something people would be scandalized about’ (“sono tanti piccoli mattoncini che fanno sì che ormai non sia più una cosa di cui dover parlare”), like the sex scene in a movie... You know it’s gonna be there and no one is up in arms because two people fuck.

Okay, I’ll leave the rest for another post... I’m nearly halfway through the conference anyway.

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why I’m not keen on Evak 2.0

fredweasleying replied to your post

“Skam Italia episode 7 reaction”

Im italian and i have the same opinions mostly....why dont you want an evak 2.0 tho im curious!!

Hi, I’m sorry for taking some time to respond! I was feeling a little sick this week and I have a long answer for this question, lol.

The main reason I don’t want an Evak 2.0 is because is that, well, I feel that Evak 1.0 is about as perfect a canon ship you can get in execution, and S3 has no major flaws for me - I only have one gripe of any substance (having to do with Emma outing Isak) and it doesn’t ruin the season for me or anything. Personally I didn’t want any of the seasons to be direct remakes and would vastly have preferred new stories tailored to the culture, with new characters developed around the actors’ personalities and strengths, but there’s not anything we can do about S1, and at least one S2 remake is mid-season, with more being set up. And I believe the contracts required the remakes to do S1 and S2 of the original? But S3 is not a guarantee. Anyway, S3 and Evak had some weird magic going for it where everything worked. Very rarely have I seen a fandom react with near-universal praise and satisfaction toward something, especially a canon ship. Obviously not everyone is going to love S3/Evak but I think it’s hard to deny that they’re overwhelmingly well-received. Not just by fans, either. I’ve seen professional film and TV critics gush about S3, too. Much of S3′s success comes from elements that can’t be replicated just by following the outline of the original. 

The chemistry is hands down pivotal to the success of S3. I can guarantee you that, strength of the writing and directing aside, if those two actors aren’t fantastic together, then the season is just not going to work. Imagine two actors with no chemistry doing all the bed scenes, or the kitchen scenes, or the O Helga Natt scene. It would be so awkward. I think OG Skam overall did really well with cast chemistry, and Tarjei and Henrik’s chemistry was really something special - you can see little things in their body language, the way they mirror each other, turn toward each other, come up with unique gestures for each other that make them seem more real as a couple.  They react to each other and feed off the other’s performance rather than just performing a script. I think it’s going to be extremely difficult to find actors who are even remotely as good with each other. (And frankly this is harder with gay fictional couples due to possible biases in their depiction ... I want to believe the best of the remake production teams but I’m not gonna lie, until I see it in action I’ll be a little apprehensive that they won’t let their Isak and Even be as affectionate together as the original. Even “progressive” shows can display double standards about that.)

You need a seriously gifted actor to play Isak. Not that you don’t need talent for all the characters, but there are quite a few scenes where Isak just looks at stuff on his computer, or gets a text message, or talks on the phone with someone, and you need an actor who can clearly communicate what Isak is feeling without help from other actors or stimuli. Then of course there are the bigger emotional moments, but Isak is a very internal, very vulnerable character for much of the season. As far as the remake Isaks go, Lucas hasn’t felt that believable to me in most scenes and his facial expressions/subtlety are especially what have left me cold, and I like Martino but his performance doesn’t feel that vulnerable to me yet. Matteo from Druck is the one who seems most capable of being Isak-like but IDK what’s up with Druck. I am very willing for these actors to show me excellent performances in the future, I’m just aware that they have a lot to live up to.

You need a seriously gifted actor to play Even. This could make or break the Evak pairing in the remakes, perhaps. I would argue that you need more acting chops to play Even than to play any of the other love interest characters in Skam, because you need someone who can pull off depression and mania convincingly. That’s really tough subject matter and someone who isn’t up to the challenge could potentially make the character a parody or caricature, the last thing you want to do in a season with positive mental illness rep. You also need someone who can walk the tightrope of carrying a big secret through most of the season while still being charming and sympathetic even as we’re stuck in Isak’s POV, being hurt and confused by Even’s unexplained behavior. We need to have some trust in Even. It will be hard to root for Evak if the Even seems like he’s just messing around with Isak and lacks that core sweetness and sincerity. Personally speaking, I never ever doubted that Even’s feelings for Isak were genuine, even when he was ghosting and giving mixed signals, because honestly, Henrik’s heart-eyes were just that convincing, lol.

Some of the symbolism and richness of the original’s writing and directing will be lost no matter what, if they stick to the S3 script. 

For instance, 21:21 does not make sense as birth/rebirth symbolism if the character is not named Isak/Isaac/some variant. Of course the story can still continue and make sense on a surface level, but it will lose aspects that gave the writing additional depth. One reason of many that I love S3 is because the symbolism gives the story so much more weight. It makes Isak and Even’s relationship feel much more important than just a sweet teenage romance. Not to sound ultra corny, but presenting Isak’s love for Even as a form of spiritual rebirth feels downright profound and puts it up there with the “epic love stories” that Even likes, tragedy or not.

The Romeo + Juliet references are not going to make as much sense if they can’t, say, get the rights to the music from the original. Like … if you do a close remake with the pool kiss, and it might be a pretty scene, but you’re going to need some R+J music over it for it to have the same resonance. But then, lol, the scene will be too similar to the OG scene. The R+J references weren’t just fun Easter eggs for the viewers; they were woven into the story very thoroughly and thoughtfully. Even’s love of Baz Luhrmann tells us a lot of about personality and outlook on life. It gives us an idea of his romanticism but also hints at his depression. Thematically, R+J is hugely important in terms of creating tension and suspense throughout the season, that undercurrent of “epic love stories have to be tragic” and making the viewers expect the tragedy, only to subvert that expectation. A story about suicide becomes a story about rebirth.  

They should not even bother trying to redo O Helga Natt, man. Just don’t do it. They’re going to lose a lot of the symbolism anyway. 

There’s some other stuff but IDK, there’s just … so much that can go wrong. The Evak relationship feels really specific - they have so many inside jokes that are unique to them, so many recurring themes, so many little gestures, and they all work together as part of a whole. Copying them wholesale is going to feel artificial. Some of the remakes have handled the adaptation part better than others, but there’s some stuff that I just don’t think will work as 2.0 at all.

Since we’ll likely be getting an Isak season in each of the remakes - it was such an international draw that I can’t imagine it not happening for each remake that is renewed - what I really want is for them to write their own S3 featuring a coming out story, with the same care and detail as Evak, and covering similar themes, just ... not Evak. Not the same scenes, the same dialogue, the same characterization. Make Even have a totally different personality. I wrote a post about different films they could reference in S3 other than Romeo + Juliet, and like, I wrote it as a joke, but also? They should pick different movie references for S3 if they decide to incorporate them. Perhaps they could pick iconic Italian/French/German films from the country of that remake. Think carefully about the story and weave in different symbolism. Just recreating those motifs will be the ultimate sign of a remake’s laziness.

I do think S3 is very important in terms of the issues discussed, and I think it would be wonderful for youth in different countries to get the LGBT and mental illness representation. I would just prefer if they created something thoughtful and original rather than trying to recreate something that’s already considered a masterpiece by many critics and fans.

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SKAM ITALIA CAST IN ITALIAN FICTION/MOVIES

Federico Cesari as Andy Di Stefano pt1

/ I Cesaroni season 4 / 2010

(Not so) fun fact:

You see that kid next to Federico? That kid is called Federico Russo and he played Mimmo Cesaroni. Federico Russo and Federico Cesari have known each other for a long time and are the same age.

When they first announced the Skam Italia's cast I was convinced that Federico Russo would play Even. A video of the cast + Federico Russo also came out and I was more and more convinced. But now I love Rocco Fasano and Niccolò Fares with soul and heart.

Federico Cesari and Federico Russo in 2018

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SKAM ITALIA CAST IN ITALIAN FICTION/MOVIES

Federico Cesari in Simmenthal advertising / 2011

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It's just an old TV advertising on canned meat, but you should really watch(enthal) it💞

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SKAM ITALIA CAST IN ITALIAN FICTION/MOVIES

Nicholas Zerbini as Jack McNeil

/ New School -Deakids / 2018

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This post is useless 'cause is just a video from a children's TV program, but is an hilarious video and Nicholas is just adorable so...enjoy

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SKAM ITALIA CAST IN ITALIAN FICTION/MOVIES

Tumblr hates me and it doesn't let me share more than one or two videos/links/photos for post, so for now I can't post on this tag. Thank you, Tumblr.

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SKAM ITALIA CAST IN ITALIAN FICTION/MOVIES

Benedetta Gargari as Valeria Torre

/ Don Matteo 8x14 / 2011

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Don Matteo because he is beautiful and deserves to be loved.

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SKAM ITALIA CAST IN ITALIAN FICTION/MOVIES

Giancarlo Commare as Alessio

/ Un passo dal cielo 4x08 / 2017

Alessio and Matteo Florenzi buy sweaters in the same shop🤔

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I want to make a small "Address Book" containing the old projects (Video clips, movies and TV/fiction series) in which the members of the cast of Skam Italia have participated in the past. I will put the names of the characters played, the year and some photos/videos.

Why? Because my mother doesn't miss an episode of any Italian fiction and I memorized them so why not share them with you all?

If you have any suggestions you can send them to me or add them yourself with the #skam italia cast in italian fiction/movies

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Non so se hai già fatto un edit, ma mi pare che Giancarlo abbia pure recitato in "Il capitano Maria"

Sì, grazie per il consiglio!

Non l'ho ancora fatto, ma è sulla lista. Purtroppo in questi giorni tumblr mi da problemi nella condivisione dei post, quindi mi ci vorrà un po'...

[milkovichsly]

Per il tuo progetto sul cast di Skam Italia : Benedetta Gargari ne "La finestra di fronte" e Giancarlo Commare ne "I bastardi di pizzofalcone"

Grazie Mille!

Li aggiungo alla lista🙏🏼