crying laughing bc my little sister heard me singing the part in Suffering where Odysseus says he’s afraid of water, and then i hear this voice say in confusion “how does he shower? how does he shower if he’s afraid of water” and honestly it has made my day
my two favorite songs are Suffering and Thunder Bringer, not only because of the song itself but also because of the symbolism
Suffering:
i'm not talking about violin - Penelope's instrument - not appearing in the song hinting it's not her because I DIDN'T NOTICE IT UNTIL JAY POINTED IT OUT
my tiny little brain at the very beginning went "the 'eh's and 'ah's sounds how sirens would" and greek mythology has roots deep inside my brain because i've live laugh loved it for most of my life
by Odysseus saying he's afraid of the water you can already tell he's lying because what good captain goes by ship and declines to set a foot in water?
if you know your greek myths you also know that Odysseus only had a daughter with Circe (we don't even talk about that in EPIC so shhhhhhht) but by Odysseus in The Horse and the Infant you already can tell he only has a wife and a son
i'm also a psychology nerd so... how could i not? in psychology there's this thing that you see the world how you are; meaning here that Odysseus is a liar, and so he sees others as potential liars, which surely helped him aside the beeswax
another thing is the siren's high voice - there's also a thing where your voice pitches higher when you're lying: when the siren is talking about the lair of Scylla her voice is still high, but not as squeaky as previously. "This is your only way home, the lair of Scylla" is also sung on the highest motes, which might show that there might have been another way, but maybe just maybe the siren felt Odysseus not getting convinced and decided that if she's not eating a sailor today Scylla might as well get that privilege lmao
also wtf would be Penelope doing in open sea? and if it were really her Odysseus wouldn't be asking for a way home because well THAT'S HIS WIFE SHE WOULD KNOW, NO?
In Thunder Bringer I'd like to point out the siren's line because it might signify many things:
Odysseus recalls Penelope as a reason to stay alive
He wishes he'd let the siren take him because that would be easier than making the choice
He realizes that if not for the siren he would have probably forgotten his wife's voice which motivates him to get back home
He's afraid that Penelope's really with another man
He's afraid that Penelope might be considering suicide like his mom
He's afraid that Penelope already lost hope that he's alive but the difference is that he didn't meet her in Hades
If that's what was running through his head, he might as well considered picking himself to reunite with his beloved, even dead
👋 Don't you miss me? 🥺
More than you know 😢
Then jump in the water and kiss me 😇
Penelope, I've told you this before 😔 You know I'm afraid of the water 🫣
I'll make sure that you are safe and sound 🙏Come play 🤽♂🤽♀ with me and our daughter 👨👩👧and let's watch our love leave the ground 🕊️
Oh, I would. But I'd be suffering trying to float the whole time 🛟
I would take the suffering from you 😊
Ooh, as good as that sounds, right here I'm just fine 😀
I can take the suffering from you ☺️
You know that I prefer my feet on the ground 🧍
I will take the suffering from you 😉
Fine, but only if you answer a question or two 🙃
Of course 🤓
Okay, so let's say I was on the run 🏃or hiding- 🙈 From I don't know Poseidon- 🍴 And let's say he blocked the way home with giant waves and giant storms 🌊
Oh, no 😕
How am I to evade him? 🧋How am I to get home?Which route should I take? Where am I supposed to go? 🙏
He will chase you high 👋 and low 📉, So find a place he'd never go. The one way you'll get home, Is sailing where he's scared to roam, oh! 🥴 It's through the lair of Scylla 🐍
No 🥲
This is your only way home. The lair of Scylla 😌
But Scylla has a cost 🤑
Well, you asked and now you know. 🤡 Now, jump in the water
Penelope, why? You know I'm too shy and terrified 👉👈
I would take the suffering from you 😚
Ooh, for you, I would die, but can't you let me stay dry? 💦🥰
I can take the suffering from you 😙
You should come onto the ship, we'll jump at the same time 😄
I will take the suffering from you 🙂
Ah, the things I do for you 🤠 🗡