#short hair eddie and a s2 steve

[ahhrenata]

a little something I made for @thefreakandthehair’s Spicy Six Spring Fanworks Challenge! Lex, thank you for hosting 💕 my prompt was Clouds :)

[thisapplepielife]

Written for the @steddiemicrofic August challenge.

Embarrassing For You

August Prompt: Plug | Word Count: 437 | Rating: T | CW: Language, Voyeurism | Tags: Pre-Steddie, Set During S2, Slice of Life, Sports Practice, Bisexual Eddie Munson, And He's Being a Little Weird, Because He is a Little Weird

Eddie is leaning against the metal slats underneath the bleachers, as he watches the boy's basketball team getting ready for outdoor strength training. They only do it once a week, and Eddie has quickly learned that it's his favorite day of the week. 

The cheerleaders are practicing on the track, skirts flying over their heads, their spankies and long legs on glorious display. And to the right, the guys are on the field doing different drills for strength and agility.

It's a bisexual boy's dream come true. His dirty little secret. With so many pretty places to look, and so little time to do it.

"You're ridiculous," Gareth says from behind him, and Eddie glances in his direction from where they're hidden under the bleachers, overlooking the football field and track.

"Sssh!" Eddie hisses, yanking Gareth closer to him by the collar of his vest.

"This is embarrassing for you," Gareth says, and yeah, sure. This is a little embarrassing. But whatever. He can spectate sports in secret once a week from beneath the bleachers, thank you very much.

Gareth cannot, and will not, take this away from him.

"Just look," Eddie says, leaning closer to the holes in the bleachers so he can watch the athletes warming up on the field. 

Gareth leans next to him, and looks, "I say again. This is embarrassing for you."

Eddie ignores him.

A blonde cheerleader does a bunch of back handsprings, legs and ass showing, and Eddie likes that, he does, but right now he's really got eyes for Steve Harrington.

Shirtless, all that tan skin, with a heavy sheen of sweat as the sun beats down on him as he works hard, pulling all that weight behind him.

"Look at him. Just plugging along," Eddie says under his breath, watching Steve drag a heavy bag across the grass. Biceps bulging. Cut thighs. Those thighs, rippling under his little shorts. "The little engine that could. Chugga-chugga, choo-choo."

And before Gareth can say anything, they're interrupted by a laugh from above.

Oh fuck. 

Oh shit.

Eddie backs up. He didn't say Steve's name out loud did he? He rewinds all his color commentary through his head, and he doesn't think he did. Maybe this can be played off. 

But then a head's looking at them, upside down, hair hanging loose.

Robin Buckley. From band. 

Well, that's equal parts terrible and probably fine. He's pretty sure she's playing on the same team he is, and why's she here, if not for watching the cheerleaders? Birds of a feather.

"You're a dingus," she says.

And yeah, okay. Fair. She's got him there.

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Notes: Will Future!Robin tell Future!Steve, what she heard this day, maybe while sitting next to an RV in 1986, while making Molotov cocktails? Who's to say? (Me, and I say yes, lol.)

[nathanielzalexandria]

Post S2 Steve Harrington after the breakup and onwards with long hair. And I don't mean long enough to pull into a tiny ponytail at the nape of his neck with strands falling out. I mean long, healthy and voluminous, hell, maybe long enough to be braided. To the point that several times when he had his back turned, several flirty men thought he was a girl when he worked at Scoops in those slutty sailor shorts that show off his toned arse and those knee-high socks.

These men include Eddie who walked in for ice cream and walked out feral with fuel for many wet dreams to follow that moment and the strengthening of a long-time crush.

[aomaoe]

ill pop the wip on tumblr too 😳 but anyway im still constantly thinking about paradise by the dashboard light by @metaldeads so i had to draw for it again. this time a guilty indulgence of eddie gently caressing the inflamed scars on steves face where it splits open.

pls dont look too close this is a pretty rough sketch but i was really happy with how it was turning out i wanted to share :)

[withacapitalp]

Hi Liam! I don't feel like doing work so close to the holidays, so please enjoy this half-baked thought I wasted 10 minutes finding a gif for.

So many fics have Eddie wearing Steve's Yellow Sweater™, yet nothing with dressing him up like S1 Assistant Youth Pastor Steve. Please use the space below for a prompt or a rant or anything else you fancy ...

Oh no you don't even know what you've done here. Okay costuming is one of my all time favorite things, so I'm going to talk too much about subtle stuff (fair warning this is just me having fun so if it's at all inaccurate or not true, well I'm just a guy who likes a show too much LMAO)

Okay so let's start with season one. Steve dresses exactly liek you said like an assistant youth pastor lmao but it's also just like very showing of who he's trying to be there

First of all his hair is way more stylized in this season than any other. We talk about Steve's hair so much, but here in this season it's so obvious that he's trying to be someone specific instead of just who he is. He's also always wearing a collared shirt and a very dark jacket, and the costumers have said that they use darker colors for darker moments/feelings, so he's wearing this exact jacket when he destroys Jonathan's camera AND when he and Jonathan have their fight

Really the first time we see him without his collar or his dark feelings jacket is when he goes to save Nancy and Jonathan

He's laying himself more bare and he's let go of the chain jerking him around (his terrible friends and their opinions.

Okay so season two is also really interesting one because Steve's hair is parted the other way now (literally changing sides), but specifically because of Steve's jacket. Yes I know I talked about the jacket being a signifier of Steve's darkness before, but in this season it's different

This is right after the bathroom conversation between him and Nancy. This is him trying to convince her to stay with him, and feeling rejected, and not understanding how he can fix something he didn't even realize was broken. His jacket is zippered up

But when he's walking with Dustin, it's back to being open. Okay I can hear you saying to yourself 'Liam this is a wild leap to take' except is it??? Bc it isn't and I can tell you why

HIS JACKET IS ZIPPED UP WHEN THEY START THIS WALK. But as they keep walking he opens up to Dustin and the kids. His jacket stays open for the rest of the season, even when it's the middle of the night and probably way colder and it would make a lot more sense for him to zip up his jacket? Is this actually a thing that matters? No probably not to anyone else but I like symbolism and I search it out like a little squirrel looking for nuts to store for winter

Also here is where I mention something important. Steve is a social chameleon. He's learned/was taught that the best way to get people to like him is to be like them. That's why he was so easily ranked in with the popular kids, even when it's clear that he didn't really like it all that much given how fast he flips. He also dresses a lot like Tommy in S1, and then in S2 we see him start to develop his own style once he's broken up with Nancy. But even in developing that own style, he's still a social chameleon. He's still going to try and look like the people he wants to have in his circle

Which brings me to the very first sweater we ever see Steve in

LOOK AT THAT COLOR AND LOOK AT THE COLOR OF DUSTINS HOODIE ABOVE Same exact color!!! Now I'm not saying this is anyyyyything conscious. Steve isn't looking at his closet and being like yes I will choose this because Dustin wore this color and I know he likes it, but I am saying we have literally never seen Steve in any shade of red before this moment.

Now season three. I know he was in his Scoops Ahoy Uniform for most of it (thank the gods for those shorts) so I'm not gonna talk too much about that but I am going to talk about that last final outfit as another example of chameleon Steve

This is actually a two fold example of Chameleon Steve. First of all he's dressed pretty much just like Marty McFly the character from Back to the Future which is the movie he and Robin ran into after the Russians. Second of all he's matching her too. Dark blue, Dark blue, White accents, White Accents. Just like Dustin he chooses colors that are similar to the people he likes. We're also once again seeing him start to open up color wise (first time we see him in yellow).

Now Season four. Well Season four we see him getting stripped bare (quite literally) for a good portion of the season. Obviously we have the battle vest and I love that, but I want to talk about Steve's jacket again and one particular outfit that I think sums up growth for Steve in a lot of ways while also showing some other stuff

His Dear Billy outfit.

This outfit is incredibly similar to the one he wore back in s2 when he first protected all of the kids. Light grey outer jacket, inside darker shirt, but he's wearing a collar again. TLDR he's back to trying to button up, back to something familiar that will 'keep him safe', but also a jacket and a color that he would associate with 'protecting the kids'

Anyway that was a very very long talk, but Steve's progression of outfits and the way he dresses himself is very interesting to me, and like I said if there's even a hint of symbolism I'm there

[robthegoodfellow]

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COMPLETE FIC

A Little Death Do Us Part (demon!Billy AU) - 70k - Steve’s attempt to bring Billy back from the dead royally backfires, saddling him with an irate lust demon and a mystery that spans centuries. Angst galore, enough smut to feed a demon, surprising degree of fluff.

For My Baby, For My Man (roommate future fic) - 26k - Steve notices something about Billy and decides to... test a theory. The results are mind-melting. Harringrovekinktober prompt fic. Pure smut and fluff.

¿Por qué no los dos? (90s future fic) - 18k - Billy's a go-go dancer allergic to rom-com scenarios. Steve and Eddie are a pair of hopeless romantics, each harboring a major crush on a certain blond bombshell. Harringroveson (aro Billy)

now with holiday sequel series: ¿Por qué no Halloween?

That’s All Folks! (s4 fix-it?) - 32k - Eddie wakes up in the Upside-Down and is promptly ushered into Billy Hargrove's manhole. Mungroveweek prompt fic. Answers the perennial question: what if Billy had the powers of Bugs Bunny?

Sideways (s2 re-write) - 46k - Billy and Max agree to ceasefire right in time for him to help bail them out at the junkyard, and then things devolve from there. Billy is semi-unwillingly adopted by Eddie Munson. Harringrove. Opposite of a slow burn.

WIPs

Upside-Down (s3 re-write) - WIP - Switches between Billy’s experience being flayed and the preceding months. Features Billy bonding with Robin over erotica, with Patrick over basketball, and with Jason over—jk, they hate each other’s guts. Steve and Billy try to figure their shit out. (just Steve-related snips: 1, 2, 3 — just Robin-related snips: 1, 2 — just Patrick-related snips: 1, 2, 3)

Only One Bed (wtf who knows) - Summer after graduation. Eddie and Billy are roommates and friends with all the benefits. But Eddie’s a bit head over heels for Chrissy, and Billy loves HATES Harrington. Endgame Harringrovesoningham.

Vampire Records (Mungrove Creature AU) - Lunch break fic. Billy is a siren and lead singer of a rock band. When he has to take a vocal break, Billy decides to spend time with his foster sister Max, a phoenix approaching the end of her first life cycle. His first night there, a chance encounter with a vampire sets him on a path he never expected... but what else is new. Also on AO3

ONE SHOTS & FICLETS (blanket tw for reference to alcoholism and abuse)

I’m Glad My Dad Died (no Neil, no Upside-Down) - 2k - Billy moves to Hawkins in sixth grade. His crush on a certain guitarist follows him all the way to high school. Mungrove fluff.

Drummer Boy (drummer!Billy) - 5k - Billy is born with a beat. Billy loses the beat. Billy gets his beat back. Harringrove. Angsty sweet.

The Eye (short kidfic) - 3.3k - Steve and Billy as middle-aged married couple with their adopted kids at a concert. Billy now has Kiefer Sutherland energy, and Steve has the hair of Trent Crimm. (set in Spin Me Right Round verse)

Admit Two (no upside-down/post-high school) - 4k - Heather and Chrissy are tasked with judging who is the better date: Steve or Billy? Double date shenanigans ensue. Harringrove. Background Cunningway.

Näcken in Loch Nora (or on AO3) — Why Billy Loves Dangly Earrings — Harringrove Serial Killer AU (read tw/tags) — Billy the Octopus — Why Billy Loves and Hates and Loves His Mom (expanded on AO3) — Billy’s Curls — Steve’s Childhood: Equal Parts Privilege & Neglect — Billy the Concussed Bookworm (expanded on AO3) — Patrick’s Sneaker Obsession — Now I (first attempt at Mungrove!!)

[ur-fav-alien]

With s4 Harringrove, the group all finds out in different ways.

Max finds out first, between s2 + 3 when Billy + her become closer and she finds out that Billy + Steve used to date. She finds out they're dating again when she almost walks in on them, it all cool tho. El finds out next kinda due to Max and also kinda due to the fact that Steve + Billy can't keep it in their pants but- She just sees them being all cute with each other and looks over to Max and is like "that's allowed?" And Max is like "yeah." So El asks if they could act like that and Max short circuts.

Then in s3, Robin finds out during that bathroom scene. When Steve says that he's found someone better he goes on this huge rant about this girl whose super strong and has blonde curls and omg he has such pretty hair and Robin's like "he!?" But it's okay cuz they're both gay... duh.

The way that Joyce, Will, and Johnathan find out is after they move to California w/ El. El knows not to tell people about Billy and Steve, but Max had said that bad people would after them. And her family were not bad people. So while they're walking about their new home El sees these two dudes holding hands and being a little close with each other. El points them out and says "oh yeah, Steve and Billy do that" and Joyce, Johnathan, and (espically) Will short circut. Only for El to respond with "what? Me and Max have done that too."

Nancy finds out in s4 when she's patching up Steve. He's hurt and doesn't really know what he's saying but he makes a joke like "Billy would throw a fit if he found out you were this close to me." Nancy's confused because why would Billy throw a fit, that doesn't make a sense, and then she starts putting everything together. Steve's been by Billy's side since this whole thing started. When she wanted to bring Steve to the library Billy reminded Steve that he was the babysitter, when she asked Steve to join them to visit Victor Creel he said he couldn't leave Billy with the kids, when Billy snapped at her like 20 minutes ago because he either went with Steve or neither of them went.

"Oh." She says quietly and Steve responds the same. Steve kinda starts panicking because he just realized what he said and he understand that both her parents voted for Regan and jesus christ if that wasn't an indicator of homophobia then- but Nancy calms him down, saying that she doesn't care as long as he's happy. "And Billy Hargrove makes you happy?" She asks, like a joke but Steve responsed with a slightly teary and awkward smile.

"Yeah, he makes me really happy." He says and Nancy's okay with that. She might've gotten some weird butterflies after hanging out with Steve after so long, but she had a boyfriend and so did he.

Dustin, Lucas, Erica, and Eddie all find out at the same time. Steve's dropping off Billy, Max, Lucas, and Erica at the Creel house when Steve stops them really quickly to grab Billy by the collar and kisses him in front of everyone. It's kinda of like a goodbye because neither of them really know if this is going to work out. Lucas and Erica are in a silent state of shock because they aren't allowed to speak for this plan to work so Max just quietly tells them that if they aren't okay with it they can't walk off. Erica almost walks off but Lucas drags her back because "wtf Erica". Nancy and Robin think the interaction are super cute and find out the other know about and they turn into supportive moms like "omg that's so cute- they're so cute- that's so romantic omg." While Dustin and Eddie are in the background like "WHAT THE FUCK". Once the doors close Dustin just kinda screams and Steve kinda winces because he knew this was coming, what he didn't expect to come was Nancy to turn into the biggest ally ever (or maye she's projecting....?) But Nancy turns around and starts berating the boys like "There's is nothing wrong with what those two boys are doing, they are in love and love should not be judge no matter who it is shared by!" Robin and staring in awe because like... yo? Nancy then threatens them if they say anything and Dustin's like "I'm cool that he's gay and all but... Billy Hargrove?"

"Holy shit." Steve cusses and sits down the driver seat while everyone agrees that Steve dating Billy Hargrove came out of the left field a little.

"If anything, I'm surprised Hargrove is gay." Is what Eddie says, and everyone agrees.

So when everyone sees Steve hanging out by Billy's hospital bed no one bats a eye because they all know. And Dustin comes in one day to ask Steve why he never told him. Steve explains that it's not because he didn't trust Dustin, it's just difficult because what if they start acting like themselves in front of the party and slip up in public? Dustin then goes on to ask a bunch of questions about their relationship and Steve's more than happy to answer because he loves Billy so much.

[stranger-chichka]

OMG, THAT’S REALLY INTERESTING!!! This date being there can't be a coincidence. Actually, by making that time skip and not showing what was happening on that very day the Duffers hide from us a lot ON PURPOSE. We don't see:

-El's reaction to Mike's love confession;

-how El and Mike interact after it. They spend plenty of time together in the van on their way home. We know El didn't talk much with Mike but we don't know why and we don't know when she stopped talking to him. Was it right after the monologue or did they have a talk about what Mike had told her and she dumped him again, now knowing that he loves Will? (I believe she knows, the Duffers imply that by her drawing on the van window. Was it because of Max, or because of his lies, or because of both?;

-what El told them about Max and Vecna;

-how Dustin and the rest (Steve, Nancy, Robin) got back from the Upside Down;

-who found Lucas and Erica with Max and how did they explain being in Creel's house + Max's state:

SO MANY THINGS ARE HIDDEN FROM US. Also, why does 7 look like 2 turned upside down? Does it mean two 7s = reciprocated Byler?

Also, I tried to google the dates, but the only interesting thing I've found is:

March 12, 1986: Ubisoft was founded and their first game, Fer et Flamme was released. The name of the game is translated as "Iron and Flame" and we see a man with long hair and a sword while the tow is on fire. It's s5 foreshadowing with all the dragon references + Mike being a paladin (we even see him with the sword on Will's painting) and growing his hair to look like Eddie.

Here is what I've found about the game. It begins with "once upon a time." The game is set in the Kingdom of Thulynte, formerly peaceful and ruled by King Ulrik from the capital of Dord, "City of a Thousand Fires." Ulrik was forced to flee when a wizard named Khaal worked some evil magic that turned Thulynte's brave defenders--the "Miniens"--into an army of undead. A resistance tried to oppose Khaal, but it was short-lived, because Khaal "knew everything, saw everything, guessed everything."

So, Khaal = Vecna.

The party - a group of mercenaries from the neighbouring country of Senghar, which once enjoyed amicable relations with Thulynte, but is now worried about its own security. The party consists of 5 characters (The librarian tells Dustin "Five at a time" in s2) chosen from 8 classes: warriors, magicians, elves, thieves, knights, clerics, dwarves, and "tinigens," the game's version of "hobbits." Each has various minimum requirements among the game's four attributes--strength, intelligence, wisdom, and dexterity--and the game gives you 40 points to distribute among them.

The characters and everything reminded me of DnD and our OG party.

Here are New York Times summaries on March 28, 1986; March 19, 1986 and March 12, 1986, maybe you'll find something there, as Hopper tells the librarian to check that exact newspaper

One more thing, as I googled March 28, 1986, the second link was about the singles that were dominating the Billboard Hot 100 chart on that exact date. I'm adding the lyrics of these songs and maybe someone would like to analyse them because need to recharge my batteries. @aemiron-main tagging you as you're really into ST music analysis

These Dreams - Heart (= Will's "You're the heart")

It was written about escape from the realities of life. Specifically, the author has said it was written about escaping childhood to adolescent abuse from his father in dreams. There became a time when he only wanted to live in his dream worlds and considered not living in his reality world.

Spare a little candle Save some light for me Figures up ahead Moving in the trees White skin in linen Perfume on my wrist And the full moon that hangs over These dreams in the mist

Darkness on the edge Shadows where I stand I search for the time On a watch with no hands I want to see you clearly Come closer than this But all I remember Are the dreams in the mist

These dreams go on when I close my eyes Every second of the night I live another life These dreams that sleep when it's cold outside Every moment I'm awake the further I'm away

Is it cloak 'n' dagger Could it be spring or fall I walk without a cut Through a stained glass wall Weaker in my eyesight The candle in my grip And words that have no form Are falling from my lips

There's something out there I can't resist I need to hide away from the pain There's something out there I can't resist

The sweetest song is silence That I've ever heard Funny how your feet In dreams never touch the earth In a wood full of princes Freedom is a kiss But the prince hides his face From dreams in the mist

Feels like Mike's POV while getting Vecnad to me.

Sara - Starship (= Will's rainbow ship and Hopper's daughter's name is Sara)

This is a song about a true love that was doomed by meaningless yet painful conflicts of mysterious origin.

Go now, don't look back, we've drawn the line Move on, it's no good to go back in time

I'll never find another girl like you, for happy endings it takes two We're fire and ice, the dream won't come true

Sara, Sara, storms are brewin' in your eyes Sara, Sara, no time is a good time for goodbyes

Danger in the game when the stakes are high Branded, my heart was branded while my senses stood by

I'll never find another girl like you, for happy endings it takes two We're fire and ice, the dream won't come true

Loved me like no one has ever loved me before (And Sara) Hurt me, no one could ever hurt me more (And Sara) Sara, nobody loved me anymore

I'll never find another girl like you, no We're fire and ice, and a dream

Ooh Sara, why did it, why did it, why did it all fall apart Sara, Sara (uh Sara) Sara

Secret Lovers - Atlantic Starr

The story of a man and a woman who are having an affair with each other even though they are both married to other people. Although they know their actions are wrong and are forced to keep their relationship secret as a result (hence the title of the song), they love each other too much to let the affair end. The part of the lyrics though fits with Mike and Will's situation, because being a gay couple in 80s is dangerous, so the only option for them is to be secret lovers.

Here we are the two of us together Taking this crazy chance to be all alone We both know that we should not be together 'Cause if they found out It could mess up, both our happy homes

I hate to think about us all meeting up together As soon as I looked at you it would show on my face Then they'll know that we've been loving each other They can never no, oh no, we can't leave a trace

Secret Lovers that's what we are, we shouldn't be together But we can't let it go, oh no, cause we love each other so

Sittin at home I do nothing all day But think about you and hope that your ok Hoping you'll call before anyone gets home I'll wait anxiously, alone by the phone

How could something so wrong be so right I wish we didn't have to keep our love out of sight Living two lives just ain't easy at all But we gotta hang on and after fall

Secret lovers that's what we are Trying so hard to hide the way we feel Cause we both belong to someone else But we can't let it go, cause what we feel is oh so real So real

You and me, are we fair Is this cruel, or do we care Can they tell what's in our minds Maybe they've had secret love all of the time

In the middle of makin love we notice the time We both get nervous cause it's way after nine Even though we hate it, we know it's time that we go We gotta be careful, so that no one will know

Rock Me Amadeus - Falco (this one played at Rink-o-Mania)

Describes Mozart's genius, love life and debts. Amadeus means "one who loves God" and Michael means "who is like God", so I can suppose the song refers to Will and the fact he was popular among the girls.

Ooo rock me Amadeus

Rock me Amadeus...

Rock rock rock rock me Amadeus

Rock me all the time to the top

He was a punk

And he lived in a huge city

It was Vienna, was Vienna

Where he did everything

He has debts because he drank

But all women loved him

And every one of them called:

Come on and rock me Amadeus

Amadeus Amadeus, Amadeus

Amadeus Amadeus, Amadeus

Amadeus Amadeus, oh oh oh Amadeus

He was a superstar

He was popular

He was so exalted

Because he had that certain appearance

He was a virtuoso

Was a rock idol

And everyone called:

Come on and rock me Amadeus

Amadeus Amadeus, Amadeus

Amadeus Amadeus, Amadeus

Amadeus Amadeus, oh oh oh Amadeus

Come on and rock me Amadeus

Amadeus Amadeus, Amadeus

Amadeus Amadeus, Amadeus

Amadeus Amadeus, oh oh oh Amadeus

It was around 1780

And it happened in Vienna

No plastic money anymore

The banks against him

Almost everybody knew

Where his debts came from

He was a heart throb

Women loves his punk

R.O.C.K. In The U.S.A. (A Salute to 60's Rock) - John Mellencamp

They come from the cities They come from the smaller towns And beat up cars with guitars and drummers Goin' crack boom bam

R O C K in the U.S.A. R O C K in the U.S.A. R O C K in the U.S.A., yeah Rockin' in the U.S.A.

Well they said goodbye to their families Said goodbye to their friends With the pipe dreams in their heads And very little money in their hands

Well, some are black and some are white And ain't to proud to sleep on your floor tonight With blind faith of Jesus you know that they just might Rockin' in the U.S.A., hey Alright

Voice from nowhere And voices from the larger town Filled our head full of dreams Turned our world upside down

There was Frankie Lyman, Bobby Fuller, Mitch Ryder (They were rockin') Jackie Wilson-Shangra-Las-Young Rascals (They were rockin')

Spotlight on Martha Reeves Let's don't forget James Brown Rockin' in the U.S.A., hey

Two songs with "rock" in them. Also, we have Skull Rock aka make-out spot. Also, Will's playlist consists of "Classic rock you can sing along to while hanging out in Castle Byers ... or the Upside Down." Also, Steve in s1 sings "Old Time Rock & Roll" near Wheeler's.

hello byler nation, i was wondering if someone has ever posted a theory or something about this clock shown in the school counsellor's house? (it's ep3 when max goes to talk to her after chrissy and fred's murders)

considering all the time-fuckery theories/weird time things that have been found as of lately it got me thinking, especially bcs it's just very weird?? i don't understand what the numbers up until 31 could be, it's not military time or the seconds or anything so?? what is 12 19?