#shirano tsunokuma

[sevolviotom]

I don't regret anything.

@sevolviotom You don't know how hard I was laughing while drawing this, I hope you like it

[kaibutsushidousha]

While we're on the subject of HimuTen, is there any indication that Shirano and the secretary might be a version of Hakuno or are they just an Expy?

Tsunokuma's name is not Shirano. But characterization for both of the Hakunos is entirely built on Fate/EXTRA references.

[luckythereviewer]

So, I've been reading details of Strange Fake Volume 8 and one of the things I came across is that Hakuno gets mentioned by SF Ayaka but it's the name they have in Fate/School Life, Shirano Tsunokuma.

I bring this up because this is the first time, as far as I'm aware, that Hakuno has been mentioned within the SN universe in any capacity and they use the name used in the School Life comedy manga.

While sure Hakuno isn't suppose to be an important character and was an NPC in Extra but we have other NPCs like Issei and Makidera who share the same name between universes. Yet for some reason, Hakuno's name is completely different between the SN universe and Extra universe.

What's the story behind that, Nasu?

[moebiusx9]

Fate/Dread

 I love a lot of Fate fan AUs so I had the courage to mention my own for a bit. Don’t really have the confidence for a full fic, so I’ll just mention the main ideas.

>Story is a prequel to the main Extraverse games (Extra, CCC, Extella, Extella Link)

>It is the Extraverse’s version of the Fifth Fuyuki Grail War, called the Terminus Grail War here as it is the last possible war to exist on earth with the quickly drying up mana

>Due to this, the greater grail was meddled with further, allowing for more Master/Servant spots to open up, akin to Apocrypha. So instead of just 7 servants (8 counting Angra Mainyuu, there are now 16. A second of all the main 7 class, plus an extra class)

> The original Hakuno is the protagonist. She is the most recent of a long line of continuous Morgan le Fay reincarnations throughout the decades akin to a fairy replacing another fairy in terms of “role” in LB6.

>Her family, the Kishinamis, broke off from those in the Blackmore Cemetary decades ago, and lived peacefully away from civilization with the role of preserving artifacts from Arthurian legend. Hakuno’s parents are deceased and she is left the last of her family.

>She is one of the first unfortunate victims of the recent Amnesia Syndrome outbreak some years before the story, and gets by as a mercenary for hire, going by the name “Morgause”. Forced to kill in a worn torn world, even if she knows it’s wrong, but has no choice. 

>Hakuno in general is very bitter and cynical, her laid back, optimism gone after all she went through, now focused solely on survival and preserving artifacts that disappeared from her family’s care (She’s been tracking down Avalon after it was stolen before the fourth grail war, and eventually tracks it down to Fuyuki) she’s basically made to be like a dark mirror to AI Hakuno, the person she doesn’t want to be, but still sees herself as.

>She plans to join the Fifth War to wish for her Amnesia Syndrome to be cured, since the only one who knew how to cure it, Twice, died not too long ago.

>She moves to Fuyuki and goes under the alias of “Shirano Tsunokuma” to lay low and scope out Fuyuki three years before the war starts. Here, she’d meet and become friends with some of the Stay Night cast, especially Rin

>In classic Hakuno, fashion, she starts catching feelings for Rin the closer the two get but is aware Rin the head of the Tohsakas, meaning they’ll be forced to become enemies once the war starts. This becomes one of her main conflicts as she’d accepted she’d have to kill to survive long ago, but not to kill someone she’s close with. 

>This leads her to use the “Morgause” persona once the war starts in a Lelouch/Zero sort of fashion. Later in the story, she’d be forcibly unmasked by Rin, in a similar, dramatic way.

>Story would also have Shirou as a secondary protag, expanding on his relationship with Artoria, and his journey to eventually becoming Nameless once Extra rolls around.

>Hakuno would immediately realize Shirou has Avalon and his servant is basically her childhood hero in King Arthur, causing more inner turmoil.

>As for Hakuno’s own servant, I’m not sure yet. I’ve thought of multiple ideas such as Nobunaga, Billy the Kid, Enkidu, Edmond Dantes, Daji/Tamamo, Berserker Lancelot, etc. but haven’t decided yet.

>Story would end with Hakuno casting aside her own wish at the very end so Rin can win the war and hopefully, make the world a better place, as Hakuno decides a killer like her has no place. (I also like to imagine it was Rin’s doing that Hakuno was safely put in cryosleep)

>Some shenanigans with Foreigners may or may not have been involved in some concepts.

Here are some servant/master ideas as well, let me know what yall think

[luckythereviewer]

Honestly, Shirano is very much the biggest question in regards to a Fate protagonist that Type-Moon and Nasu has yet to answer. Up until recently I always figured "Okay they are younger than they should be and have a different name but they are very much still meant to be the Hakunos living selves so they have to be mages, meaning Hakuno's ability to see enemies attacks are just something they can do as mages." But then on a recent run through of their profile, I noticed something. Rin and Adashino were looking into Shirano because they suspected him of being a mage. Only they found out he wasn't a mage but a psychic (think Ryogi Shiki and Fujino Asagami from FGO/Garden of Sinners).

Shirano isn't a mage, they are a psychic. Which just raises the question of what happened to Shirano and the girl who very much is female Hakuno's stand in that results in them not being mages. Because Extraverse Living Hakuno and Hakunon have to be mages.

Sure one could say they're NPCs therefore their magic abilites are just built in but according to Extella's materials in regards to Solo Servants "An NPC or Al can become a Master so long as they have an independent thought routine, a properly designed soul, and enough magical ability, but a Servant performs best when paired with a human who has a body made of pseudo-spiritrons." The 3rd requirement "Magical ability" i.e. likely a recreation of someone who has magic circuits. And even if someone does meet all the requirements, a servant is still at their best when they are paired with someone who is a proper human.

Which in of itself kind of begets the question of if Humanity is still consider the dominate species in the world of Extra because Leo was regarded as the king of the world and the the most powerful master in the war, to the point that even if Rin and Rani teamed up they still wouldn't have a good chance against Leo, yet Hakuno was able to defeat him and Hakuno is an NPC, not a human. But that is a discussion for another day. In short, Shirano and the Female Hakuno stand in are very much questions Nasu needs to answer because they're existances are very much different to Extraverse's Hakuno and Hakunon's existences.

What are you Shirano