#shiota hiromi

[le-panda-chocovore]

It's disgusting how much inhuman they are. Maybe they should get married or something.

[morallygreyvigilante]

is there anything you think could've been done to improve the hiromi arc in assclass?

At a basic level, the main issues with the Hiromi arc is that it was both introduced very close to the end of the story and also that it was resloved way too abruptly to be believable. So, there's three possible options that would've made more sense:

One:

Hiromi doesn't get redeemed. This is the option that I know a lot of people would've prefered (or at least, that was the general attitude I observed - and shared - back when I first got into the series).

Hiromi was shown to be abusive, and it's not like she was overly concerned about keeping up the "caring parent" facade in front of Korosensei when it became clear that he wasn't just going to bow down to her demands unless it was something that Nagisa himself wanted.

Now, I can perhaps understand nothing being done about her following that incident because this was the first time any of Nagisa's teachers had interacted with her. All three of them are shown to be good judges of character (barring one or two incidents) so maybe they should've picked up on it, but I guess her behaviour could be brushed off as her just having a bad day since none of them really have a good general idea of what she's usually like. It's a flimsy excuse, but it happens.

However, what can't - or shouldn't - be excused were her later actions. Not only did she drug Nagisa, but she also attempted to force him to commit arson, which I'm pretty damn sure is illegal and definitely would've been enough to warrant some kind of professional intervention.

A parent who is willing to drug and endanger their own child in such a manner is not one who would be quick to change. Nagisa's sudden willingness to stand up to her would not be taken as lightly as it was, especially considering her earlier response to him standing up to her in that same episode.

A more believable ending to the arc would've either involved Nagisa being removed from his mother's care or, at the very least, things remaining tense between the two of them. Her attitude certainly wouldn't have realistically changed by the end of the next episode.

Two:

Hiromi gets introduced a lot earlier.

I mentioned that the other issue with the Hiromi arc was how late in the series it got brought up. Sure, we weren't too far into the second season (because I'm not entirely sure when it was brought up in the manga) but, with how close we were starting to get to the "earth goes boom" deadline, the action was noticeably speeding up.

There were hints earlier on in the series that Nagisa's home life wasn't ideal, including (but not limited to):

His natural talent for assassination/his bloodlust

His discomfort when teased about his appearance

He talks about how his parents never "looked him in the eye", plus the scene with his father where we find out his parents had separated at some point

Now, each of these things on their own (and before Hiromi makes her appearance) are pretty harmless. The kids are being trained for assassination, of course one or two of them would start showcasing more talent for it. A lot of people are sometimes insecure about their appearance, especially when they're young. And it's not exactly uncommon for people to have family problems, hell from some of the stuff that gets mentioned over the course of the series, there aren't many kids in that class whose parents would be winning "parent of the year" awards.

It's not until Hiromi actually shows up that those, initially minor, issues are revealed to go a lot deeper. It can, and does - at least, on a first watch - feel very sudden.

For a redemption arc to feel believable here, it would've made more sense to have Hiromi - and the way she treated Nagisa - revealed earlier on in the series. That way, there could've been a more gradual change over several episodes, we probably wouldn't have actually seen a lot of it since Hiromi is mostly a background/side character and the series is largely focused on the class as a whole. But it wouldn't have been too out of place to add the occasional reference to Nagisa's home situation, either through him commenting on it or through subtle hints similar to the ones that were used to hint at the abuse previously.

Three:

This one's probably the more controversial option, but having Hiromi introduced as just being a strict parent instead of an abusive one would've been a lot more believable when you consider just how quickly the matter was resolved.

Her wanting Nagisa to leave the E class in general makes a lot of sense considering the purpose the E class was shown to serve in the earlier episodes, especially when you consider how the rest of the school treats them. A lot of parents would most likely want their child to be removed from such a situation as soon as possible, and they likely wouldn't understand why their child was so determined to stay where they were. They'd likely just brush it off as stubbornness.

Those little hints I previously mentioned that pointed to Nagisa's home life would've still made sense if Hiromi was just strict.

If Hiromi was simply a strict parent, then her seeminly sudden change in attitude would've made a lot more sense. A parent who is simply strict would be a lot easier to convince that Nagisa's insitence wasn't just him being stuborn or ungrateful and it's unlikely that she would've flown off the handle as drastically as she did in canon.

In this case, her redemption arc wouldn't have seem rushed because the issue wouldn't have been as explosive as it was in the anime.

[asideblogofananimelover]

If I think about it, Koro-sensei and Nagisa would really suit a Maleficent AU, the gender bent version of course.

Past!Koro (The Reaper) as Maleficent, Nagisa as Aurora, and Hiromi as Stefan.

Everything else is the same except instead of turning into a phoenix he turns into a super yellow octopus.

[theblacktiecacti]

get my your life back on track

[queer-anarchist-rat]

here's a list of what I consider to be well written/actual complex characters vs poorly written/faux "complex" characters

Characters with actual complexity

Grant Ward - Marvel's Agents of S.H.E.I.L.D (I will not be giving an explanation for him bc the show is really good and I don't want to spoil, so watch the show if you want an explanation)

Most Characters - Bungou Stray Dogs (in bsd even side characters like Yumeno have so much complexity to them, it is a show that really says 'fuck you' to how we see morality)

Dabi, Hawks, Aoyama, Shigaraki - My Hero Academia (All four of these are examples of characters being forced into bad situations at a young age, and I don't want this to be too long so I'm leaving it at that)

Shoya Ishida - A Silent Voice (This manga/movie is also something I highly recommend watching, so no spoilers)

Characters with faux "complexity"

Endeavor - My Hero Academia (He bought and raped his wife and abused his entire family, causing his wife and eldest child to go insane and the kid ended up fucking killing himself, then got a "redemption" arc because he decided to "change" after ~25 years and achieving his goal. And the only thing that 'change' really entailed was he stopped beating his kid.)

James Gordon - Gotham (Cop, although this show does have its moments, it's a poorly disguised cop worshiping show that fails miserably at it's job)

Shiota Hiromi - Assassination Classroom (Similar to Endeavor, I won't go into detail because it reminds me too much of my own shit but basically she forced her child to be what she never got to be)

This list will be updated as time goes on

I also will not be arguing in the notes, argue amongst yourself, but I won't do anything unless you're being an asshole or saying Endeavor deserves redemption. (I will block you is what I mean when I say that btw, stop sympathizing with an abuser and rapist and rethink your life)

[pencil-for-a-dog]

Poison type Pokemon trainer Nagisa, because his family is toxic as f-

His suit is inspired by their late PE uniform, Hiromi gave him a Bulbasaur as his first pokemon because it grows a flower, his Nidorina had her spines cut by Hiromi due them not being feminine, Hiromi's only reason to allow Nidorina as Nagisa's pokemon is that people find cute they are similar enough (and because is a female pokemon).

In a future Nagisa acquires Seviper and/or Ekans due to his development in class E, he also acquires a haunter he will call Karma lol.

I thought on adding the haunter but they are so big and couldn't stop laughing lol.

This is not a very serious drawing and is also my first time drawing these pokemon!

[pyropsychiccollector]

nagisa harem ask

ok so like a while ago (like a year maybe) i asked about what their reaction to hiromi would be, and you said some either intimidated by her or wouldnt like her. But what do you think would be hiromis opinion/impression of each of them? i imagine a mix of gushing over them or telling nagisa to leave the door open while theyre over lol

... So here's the thing, mods old buddy. I probably brought this up last year when this came up... Or something along these lines... But Hiromi... is a difficult character for me to muse about. (人◕ω◕) I'm not saying this to hurt your feelings or deny your Ask outright because I feel it may come from a place of "what do the parents think of the girlfriends" and I don't mind answering such a prompt. And do feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, if you are a fan of Hiromi.

... It's just... (人◕ω◕) Hiromi is one of those characters that I would have to make considerable effort in tweaking before I'm remotely comfortable musing about her. Obviously, I don't mind characters getting better. Heck, Nagisa loves his mom. Right or wrong, I don't presume to say that Nagisa shouldn't love his mother. In the end, it's his choice, and Nagisa is a rather love-starved child because of that rough situation at home.

But the way that the series portrays Hiromi... as I said last time, it didn't feel quite... earned for Nagisa's mom to remain with him. You can probably skim over Hiromi's obsession with his grades and the friends that Nagisa hangs out with, because all parents fret over that stuff to some degree...

But Hiromi... has some deep-seated issues to work out. They went hard on showing how abusive and violent Hiromi could be with Nagisa, and perhaps it's not like that everyday... But bear in mind Nagisa walks on eggshells around her. He literally blames himself for arguing with her when she was in a crappy mood, saying he should've tried earlier when she was "sunny".

On top of the abuse, the crossdressing, and going so far as to knock him out to take him back to the mountainside campus to burn it down....... This just feels very brushed aside when Nagisa finally stands up for himself and Koro-sensei takes them home. The fact this was all squeezed into one episode kinda bugged the tar out of me. Feels of the show be damned, someone needs to call CPS on this woman... XD

... What I'm trying to say is, I have firm grounds for why I'm uncomfortable musing about Hiromi. (人◕ω◕) I can dial back the aggressive motherhood routine and I would still feel slimy for leaving Nagisa alone with this woman... My good friend Vergil has a good habit of committing certain characters to therapy so they can be Better People, and I certainly don't mind that approach. Hiromi deserves the chance to be Better.

......... I just probably won't be writing for or musing about Hiromi anytime soon because of the hell she put Nagisa through. Jumping to the end of her rehabilitation would give me whiplash, and I just wouldn't have any answers for how she came to reflect on her attitude and actions. The show is rather flaky with how she just mellows out after one episode of... yeah... ^^;;; And don't get me wrong, I hear the manga has shown Hiromi a few times before her main chapter with Nagisa, so I know part of it is anime's condensed nature talking. It's just jarring to suddenly drop a character's bad traits without any idea of why they learned their lesson. The moment with Nagisa saving her and standing up to her was heartfelt, but the whole passing out and later waking up and having a cooler head... From a writer's perspective, I thought it was just for dramatic anime effect more than anything. If Hiromi was already considering her actions as overboard, or could be won over that easily, I would think that she would have taken Nagisa's constant withdrawn responses to her outbursts to heart way sooner than this. Even just as an afterthought kind of thing. But we see no proof that she saw past her desire to live a second life through Nagisa... It was just spooked into her from Nagisa showing his more assertive side...

Ugh. XD I'm sorry for waxing on for so long about this. But my overall point is that I don't really like how the show handled Hiromi, particularly her rehab (lack thereof). I prefer answering Asks when I'm fully committed to an answer and not just half-assing it.

So instead of giving you nothing here because I just don't ideas for Hiromi at the moment, I'll be proactive and supplant Hiromi's role with that of...

... Mr. K. Class Daddy Karasuma. \(人◕ω◕)/ Let's be real here: Nagisa and Mr. Karasuma are a lot alike. They're taciturn, serious; they care about friends, colleagues, classmates, students, etc.; they're both badass fighters (Mr. K's just more well-rounded while Nagisa is more snakelike); and of course, they're both rather oblivious to romance. (人◕ω◕) Even Mr. K on Valentine's Day... he figured Irina was just asking him out purely because of curiosity on how the higher-ups were planning to handle the Octopus.

... Although by the end of that episode, he certainly held nothing back in offering Irina to move into his home. (人◕ω◕) And he did wind up marrying Irina sometime within that 7-year timeskip. So Mr. K does have some experience in love... Which is good news for Nagisa, even if Mr. K is as awkward and straightfaced as him. (人◕ω◕)

Basically all you need to know is that after committing Hiromi to a counselor... And also making sure she atoned for the previous years of child abuse... Mister Karasuma took Nagisa in. After all, they were still dealing with the mission to eliminate Koro-sensei - rather than assign the boy to a foster family while his mother gets sorely needed help, Karasuma offers Nagisa the adoptive arrangement between them regardless of how things pan out with his mother. It would just complicate matters to bring in a whole new family, keep them away from details about the global threat, and make sure Nagisa was safe and happy with that new family. After learning about Hiromi in-depth, he feels bad about Nagisa getting forced through the official channels like that. They might not be a straightforward father-son pair, but Karasuma is willing to try if Nagisa is. (人◕ω◕) On Nagisa's side, of course he's willing to trust Mister Karasuma. He also wants to hear about how his mom's rehab is going, and Mister K would be privy to that info. Nagisa agrees the arrangement is the easiest for everyone involved... And it also keeps him from possibly leaving Kunugigaoka if his new foster family lived too far away. Plus, he can get some more training while living under Mr. K's roof and learn a bit more about him. It's a win-win. (人◕ω◕)

... Going to live with his birth dad would have been his first choice, but Papa Karasuma doesn't feel so sure about leaving Nagisa with a dad who willingly left his son behind with a mother like Hiromi... Even if Nagisa chose to stay. So Papa Karasuma is a bit overprotective. And even Nagisa doesn't want to get his dad caught up in this mess with Koro-sensei. With his mom, he had every reason to sneak out at night. With his dad... He'd have to get more creative. (人◕ω◕) So, again. Going with Mr. K was the best of all worlds. (人◕ω◕)

So what are some of Papa Karasuma's impressions of Nagisa's, er... situation? With his love life? ....... (人◕ω◕)

It's certainly strange. Not common at all. Even knowing these girls as his students, Papa Karasuma is... a mild bit concerned about all the potential fallouts they might have if the polygamous relationship turns sour. (人◕ω◕) He sits down with Nagisa and each of his girls (individually, mind you - and this is after they've gotten into high school, so the threat to the Earth is dealt with) to make sure this is something they really want to pursue... They're young. They have plenty of time yet to find other guys. There's no rush.

... (人◕ω◕)

Let's just say the former E-Class has their own, er... je ne sais quoi. Erm... (人◕ω◕) They're really stubborn and determined when you push their buttons. And this seems to apply to romance, too. Mister Karasuma probably should have seen this coming. *shrugs* \(人◕ω◕)/

Even Nagisa says he wants this. So all Papa Karasuma can do is offer his blessing and wish them the best. .......... And keep surveillance of the situation, of course, just to be safe. Yes, "surveillance". It's probably what you're thinking. (人◕ω◕);;;

9. Hinano

Mr. K still isn't sure if this one is genuine or if it's a ploy to marry into the Karasuma family... (人◕ω◕);;; Hinano's a sweet girl, but she wasn't exactly subtle with her crush on Papa Karasuma back in E-Class. She and Nagisa seem to get along well. Papa Karasuma is 79% sure that he could leave Hinano alone with Nagisa without things getting too intimate yet. (人◕ω◕) That other 21% is... well... You see, sometimes Hinano looks over at Papa Karasuma while the kids are doing homework together with a curious sparkling glint in her eye. It's just a little bit...not necessarily worrisome, but Mr. K is definitely keeping an eye on the situation. You can rest assured. (人◕ω◕)

8. Hinata

Hinata's a nice girl, too. Sure, she can be blunt and she's often quick to anger... Thankfully that anger rarely gets directed Nagisa's way - and usually when it does, it's either a misunderstanding or just ironically comical situations getting out of hand with the other girls in the... harem. Mr. K is about 98% certain he can leave Hinata alone with Nagisa without things getting too intimate yet. The 2% is more of a formality than anything, because if Mister Karasuma has learned of anything in his line of work, there's almost never 100% certainty in anything. (人◕ω◕) The one thing Papa Karasuma has to make sure of is to lay some ground rules for the kids while they're in his home: The rule that mainly applies to Hinata is that she isn't allowed to pick up or throw furniture or heavy objects for any reason. If she breaks anything, she has to replace it. Nagisa isn't allowed to help her cover the expenses. (人◕ω◕) It's definitely helped Hinata to curb her anger... somewhat... At least while she's in the Karasuma household. (人◕ω◕) Once outside it... well... (人◕ω◕);;;

7. Ritsu

In a world where she's human, Mr. K acknowledges that Ritsu is a bright, cheerful, sweet girl. He has no problems with her dating Nagisa, he's well aware they're helping each other grow past their introverted natures. And Ritsu is also a good mentor for anything electronic-related, even Papa Karasuma picks up some things he hadn't before. ........... (人◕ω◕) Papa is... erm... 62% sure that he can leave Ritsu alone with Nagisa without things getting too intimate yet. Ritsu just has to follow a few simple rules, both at the Karasuma household and everywhere else. One, no lazing about in her underwear when Nagisa's around; this might be a tradition for her while she's holed up in her room, not getting dressed for going out, but Papa Karasuma rather insists that while she's outside her room, especially outside her home, Ritsu is to always be clothed. Always. (人◕ω◕);;; It can be t-shirt, shorts, pants, dresses, skirts... Ritsu must always have a top and a bottom to her outfits. No settling for just underwear. Two, Nagisa isn't allowed to be alone with Ritsu in her room. Not until they're married. Three, Ritsu isn't allowed to send...nudes...of any kind to Nagisa. Not until they're married. (人◕ω◕);;;;;;; Four, Ritsu isn't allowed to enter Nagisa's room by herself. ... Papa Karasuma has caught footage of the girl pilfering some of Nagisa's underwear. ... And squealing about it. That will not be happening again. There are reasons Mister K has 38% of doubts of leaving them alone together. (人◕ω◕);;;;;;;

6. Rinka

Rinka has to be one of Papa Karasuma's "favorites" among the girls interested in Nagisa. She's just as stoic and straight as an arrow like Papa Karasuma. And she's adopted this professional assistant type role even while she and Nagisa are still in school. (人◕ω◕) Mr. K is a healthy 98% positive he can leave Rinka alone with Nagisa without anything too intimate happening. She's a good egg. Diligent, hardworking, and fond of his boy. Papa Karasuma gives his seal of approval with this one. (人◕ω◕)

5. Yuzuki

Yuzuki isn't a bad girl by any stretch of the imagination. She's just... eccentric. (人◕ω◕) Makes far too many references that go over Papa Karasuma's head. He doesn't mind sitting down with Nagisa to watch some movies or anime, but Yuzuki definitely takes the viewings to astronomical levels with the piles of DVDs she'll bring and leave over at their place... Not to mention the piles and shelves of manga in Nagisa's room that are always getting swapped out for new material... Mr. K knows they're getting changed out because he has footage of Yuzuki sneaking in there when Nagisa's out. Thankfully she hasn't picked up habits from Ritsu... But that said, Papa Karasuma has laid a ground rule of no hentai for any of the harem until they're graduated from high school. (人◕ω◕) ... And preferably married. Papa K is a good 92% certain he can leave Yuzuki alone with Nagisa without anything too intimate going down... She's a quirky girl, but she's not horny... yet... (人◕ω◕)

4. Touka

Irina's pupil. Automatic 15% chance of leaving Touka alone with Nagisa ever... It doesn't help that the other girls are rather unnerved by Touka for fairly obvious reasons, such as how she likes to be so close to Nagisa all the time... Similar to Ritsu, Mr. K has laid out some clothes guidelines for Touka to follow - and these are to be followed in public and in private... Someone else in the harem must always be around Touka and Nagisa whenever they're alone; if it ever sounds like the clothes are coming off, or if they're getting too touchy-feely, they're to call Papa Karasuma right away. (人◕ω◕) Papa likes Touka well enough as a student and as a girlfriend for Nagisa, it's just that her insistence on remaining Irina's pupil has him rather defensive of his boy's chastity... (人◕ω◕) He can tell the other girls are relieved he's on the same page with them, and even Nagisa is grateful for the moderation. Papa Karasuma will keep his boy safe~ (人◕ω◕)

3. Yukiko

Another of Papa Karasuma's "favorites' among Nagisa's girls. (人◕ω◕) She's not as "professional" as Rinka, but Yukiko is a polite and formal girl. Rather addicted to her video games, and Mr. K doesn't mind having the occasional additional console brought over and plugged into their TV. She's a diligent student like Nagisa, and they're rather good for each other relationship-wise. They help one another feel more confident. (人◕ω◕) Papa Karasuma is 95% certain he can leave Yukiko alone with Nagisa without anything too intimate going down. They do get rather cozy sometimes snuggling together, but that's usually a call for an impromptu picture rather than separating them. (人◕ω◕) ... There are rare times where accidental touches in inappropriate places occur, but Mr. K has confirmed these are true accidents. They are just that... unlucky... ..........(人◕ω◕)

2. Rio

Papa Karasuma is 50% sure he can leave Rio alone with Nagisa without anything too intimate happening. (人◕ω◕) And a large chunk of those doubts have to do with Rio having already seen much of Nagisa naked because of the past incidents of crossdressing him. Incidents that Papa Karasuma has forced to stop, and Rio has willingly complied. (人◕ω◕) In essence, Rio seems rather confident she knows what they're... working with... on a physically intimate level. (人◕ω◕);;; Yet despite how flirtatious and teasing Rio can be, Mister K has found that Rio does have scruples when it comes to relationships. If Nagisa seems too uncomfortable she backs off. It's a great change from when she used to crossdress his boy, and Papa is content she's learned her lesson. (人◕ω◕) Nagisa and Rio are a good pair, have great chemistry with each other. Rio was the one most onboard with sharing in the beginning, so she has some of the best synergy with the other girls. ... Despite how she can get a little carried away with the teasing and innuendos. (人◕ω◕);;;;;;

Kaede

Another of Papa Karasuma's "favorites" among Nagisa's girls. (人◕ω◕) Her trust and loyalty in Nagisa is second to none, and while she's rather affectionate and touchy-feely... Mr. K is a good 90% certain he can leave Kaede alone with Nagisa without anything too intimate going down. (人◕ω◕) She's usually among the first of the bunch to notice when one of them went too far or said something insensitive, and insists on the offending party making reparations. Not that this loyalty to Nagisa hasn't garnered some...friction... with the other girls, but Kaede can usually play peacemaker just fine. There have been a few incidents where some of the more frustrated girls bring up the fact Kaede lied to them all way back in E-Class about who she was and how her "friendship" wasn't always so clear-cut... But despite these tense moments, Nagisa always gets them all to make up and cheer Kaede back up.

... The 10% of doubt comes from Kaede's rather...vocal... opinions on boobs, constant grumblings about her short and petite stature, and sometimes - sometimes - she gets a little too affectionate with Nagisa for Papa Karasuma's liking. (人◕ω◕) But it's usually something they nip in the bud without too much trouble. Thank God. (人◕ω◕)

[sadlynotthevoid]

Nagisa should be allowed to burn a dress, just as a treat. And get a new surname that comes with a new parent (or two) as gift.

He went through so fucking much.

Just, someone put Lovro on his bitchy mom and get him a good, reliable adult. Ok?

I think I had a assclass x dc crossover in my notes where Jason Todd went to Japan for some reason (I think he was going to investigate something and ended involved in the whole octopus-who-may-destroy-the-world thing) and met Nagisa there. Bad things happened to Hiromi Shiota there. It was not Jason's fault tho... this time.

[shittycartoonmomshowdown]

[le-panda-chocovore]

Another Monster Patent yaaaay 🙃🙃🙃

[morallygreyvigilante]

Happy "punt Hiromi to Venus" day

Yes, I know I'm 5 days late

[idontthinkimokaymentally]

Hello there Hiromi Shiota fans.

[lyraminerva]

[asterbeladona]

I'm feeling kind of bad for Reaper 2.0.... Okay, I know he almost killed Class E several times, but still.

Let's face it, for you not to care about your father as he did, the father must have been a bad, neglectful, or absent person. And I think that after being mesmerized by Koro's abilities, he also had some hope that he would finally be seen, recognized. But, as we all know, that didn't happen.

He and Koro look young, probably not 30 anymore, I think while Koro is in his 30s, Reaper 2.0 is in his 20s, like Irina, would be emotionally immature.

And how, Hiromi and Gakuho, abusive parents had their redemption and could start over, and a 20 year old boy with multiple traumas didn't? Does he just die?

I don't like how AssClass portrays these relationships, (Family Asano and Horibe, Hiromi and Nagisa and Koro and Reaper 2.0 ) this was not very well worked in my opinion, from this list the most resolved was Shiota's.

And it makes 2.0 sense to want the E-Class dead, half jealous, like "Why do you recognize and value them so much but not me? I've always tried so hard! What's in them that I don't have? !"

I know the world of murder is complex and dirty, but you can see a certain camaraderie between the assassins on the island, a hope in Red Eye, a fondness between Irina and Lovro, and (bonus case) Pui's bond from the Korotan books with your family and the way everyone grows up with 3-E.

For from now on he is my son, my boy, my son, my protégé! Gakushuu, Chiba, Nagisa, Isogai, Itona, you have a new brother!

Translated from Brazilian Portuguese to English by Google translator, sorry for mistakes!