#shadowhunters theories

[witchlingcirce]

OKAY!! This dream was so cool and I kinda wanna share my absolute nonsense theory!!

I definitely think this dream has something to do with Lucifer being the eventual villain and the impacts it’ll have on the shadowhunter world. HOWEVER: this leads the question: how? And why is Kit saying it’s Ty fault.

A really old shadowhunter theory is that Livvy is the one who will get possessed by Lucifer and honestly I’ve always supported that and I think it’s plausible. Out of any character, Livvy is probably the easiest to posses.

Okay I think possess might not be the right word since she’s a ghost? But I think Lucifer being able to control Livvy would be a really interesting concept and I think it could be likely, throughout GOTSM we see that Livvy has a very increasing fragile mind set, we even see her talk about possibly possessing Mina! Even so, we know that Livvy DOES in fact have a Ty to the living world as well (Ty, since he messed the spell up). Thisss would 100% let Lucifer do stuff behind the scenes and easily mess with the TWP cast.

This also leads back to Kit saying it’s “his fault” in the dream like sequence, as it quite literally is Ty’s fault if he does posses Livvy (since ya know he brought her back).

I have a lot of other theory’s as well, since we know that Livvy’s ritual failed, maybe Ty accidentally opened some kind of pathway into the human world?? (This also kinda links back to the fact that the pathway COULD be Livvy…)

[clockwork-carstairs]

i'm seeing a lot of people talking about evil ty and ty going dark etc based off that chapter but i have my own thoughts and i don't think ty is going to "go evil" per se. idk if anyone in this fandom is also an arcane fan but if you are you'll understand where i'm coming from. i just seriously doubt ty blackthorn would've caused all that bloodshed and destruction etc. by himself or without a very good explanation behind it that will make it make sense.

"you came" to me it sounds like this is an older ty who has lived through something terrible, and he's calling to kit so kit can help him stop it. so kit can change the fate of his world so it does not end up like this one.

[destinysfairchild]

imagine Jem is fighting back to back with Kit and for a second he feels like it's his old parabatai next to him and when Kit calls him dad kind of sarcastically kind of not, then it really feels like Will is there you know

[clockworkbee]

Since we have seen that shadowhunters can pass between worlds (however it may happen), and since Cassie said that she’s been reading her work again to find any plot-holes, etc. I think she may do something about this paragraph in TWP, what with it being the last series

ending with the Nephilim having found a way to keep the demon invasions from happening in the future.

[bananacakepie]

TWP headcannon:

Drusilla is said to closly resemble her mother and most of the blackthorns look pretty similar, so I think that at some point Ty might be drugged and in the haze of trying to identify the people around him, he mistakes Dru for Livvy and/or their mother.

This could also fuel Dru’s insecurities of not being seen as her own person, but merely a replacement for someone that she deeply doesn’t want to replace/take the spot of.

[happilyshyturtle]

I think that kit’s dream might be foreshadowing some battle in the future. It’s probably like Magnus’ dreams that are symbolic and not literal. Now that I think about their dreams might be foreshadowing the same thing because Magnus wasn’t sure what his dream represents. First he thought it was the dark war and then that it had to do with the events of tda but what if it actually represents what happens in twp?

[kitherondaletyblackthorn]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[balladofbells]

Where would the wicked powers end?

We all know every shadowhunter series has an epilogue near a body of water

TMI: lake lyn

TDA: the beach

TID: Thames under Blackfriars

TLH: The serpentine

TWP: ???

there’s lake Dimmet Tarn near Scholomance, so maybe there? But what river/lake do we also know about?

The afterlife river where Will waits for Tessa and Jem

Watch the epilogue for the wicked powers be Jem or Tessa reuniting with Will.

[garvalhaminho]

if you squint the uk tid covers each have a primary colour as their background and that is very special to me

like yes they are all part of one whole!! they all compliment each other !! everything that came after is a product of them and their love for each other !!!

[helenofblackthorns]

I need better in black to come out tomorrow so I can make insane theories about it because what do you mean Nene at the very least partially narrates the Seelie Queen and Sebastian story?? in the first person too??????

[witchlingcirce]

Very interested to see how Livvy & Ty’s relationship worsens throughout the wicked powers.

We already know that the ghost bond between Ty & Livvy is not good on Ty physically. Ie: Livvy being away from Ty made Ty literally pass out. I can imagine that by TWP, things have gotten worse.

My theory is that during TWP, I think at some point Ty will realise that keeping Livvy around is cruel- and that she deserves to rest. I think they’ll do something to finally relinquish Livvy’s soul (and by doing so, let Ty finally let go of his grief). However: I think ghost Livvy will retaliate from this.

She would hold onto Ty for as long as she could. I’m interested to see how this would go. My theory kind of ends here- but I could see Ghost!Livvy kind of start to drain Ty’s life force. WHICH would lead Ty to probably telling his family what’s going and what happened to him.

Except: I do think that Livvy would be the one to finally let herself rest. She’s mad about the way she died, she’s mad that she didn’t get to live her life. I think once she realised shes hurting Ty she will let herself leave, which references what Magnus told her.

IE: which plays into the fact that Livvy’s fate has already been sealed (her death)

[wikitpowers]

“and that kids is why lucifer is gonna be the villain in twp, ash actually is lucifer himself, kit is gonna have gold wings, clace will get married, cassie is going to kill off a lightwood, thule!kit will be in the wild hunt and morgenthorn will be endgame”

class: [DISMISSED]

[tys-kitty]

The only advantage about having to wait till late 2025 or early 2026 for the TWP release is that I get to create even more angsty KitTy head canons

[darcyolsson]

bestie I need your help because I always see people mention that it's canon that jem and will were in love but I can't remember anything like that in the books so are they just kind of exaggerating or is it actually canon 😭😭 it's been too long since I read these books

so the answer no but also yes but no but yes hope that helps :)

if your question is "do they have an on-screen romance on par with the other romances in the books which involves them mutually acknowledging their romantic feelings for one another", the answer is no. in the infernal devices, their relationship is presented as a really close platonic relationship (with notable homoerotic overtones, but which man in tsc hasn't been there). HOWEVER,

there's two quotes from other tsc stories that people usually bring up when disussing this:

Clary took a deep breath. "Were you ever in love? Before the Brotherhood? Was there ever anyone you would have died for?" There was a long silence. Then: Two people, said Brother Zachariah. There are memories that time does not erase, Clarissa. Ask your friend Magnus Bane, if you do not believe me. Forever does not make loss forgettable, only bearable. (city of lost souls)

and

“What you said before,” she asked. “That Jace Herondale loves Clarissa Fairchild more than anyone you’ve ever known except someone — you never finished the sentence. Who was it?” “I was going to say you and me and Will,” he said. “But — that’s rather a strange thing to say, isn’t it?” “Not strange at all.” She cuddled in close against his side. “Exactly right. Ever and always, exactly right.” (after the bridge)

both of these are notably from spinoff stories set 100+ years after the infernal devices, though, so basically..... interpret it how you want to. cc said she did not intend to write them as a romance (and i don't think they are in tid), but that's what death of the author is for.

in MY humble opinion they were in love but only in the same way will & jem are one person. so like, yes, but not in the most literal sense, but it's kind of woven into every word in those books so you'd have to be quite blind not to catch it, and the story is stronger for it being a natural interpretation of the text rather than it being something that is outright stated (more than a few times, at least). but what do i know. hope this helps!

[julescarstairs]

I already know fact that Ash Morgenstern is going to put his whole ass self into pretending he doesn’t like Dru at all, only to look at her with the biggest heart eyes when he thinks no one’s watching.

[jeans-marrow]

After overanalyzing the comic I've come to the conclusion the first panel IS canon (I want to kiss you, but—) and we don't know why Kit won't kiss Ty cuz it'd be a HUGE spoiler. Not need to say I'm terrified for my life.