#sentizoe

[lullaboid]

listen, the haha adrien is a sentimonster theories were fun and it was a wild time post introduction of the peacock miraculous and its powers, but are we serious with everyone being a sentihuman?

[flightfoot]

Me and my girlfriend were actually discussing this Senti thing the other day.

Basically we think it's Chloe, because Audrey has to be related to this thing somehow otherwise she wouldn't be in the scenes.

We also came up with the theroy that Adrien isn't actually a Sentimonster but that's whole different thing. :)

I do agree that Audrey has to be involved in this somehow, given how Feast ended with Gabriel, Audrey, and Tomoe all being interested in the news footage of the Guardian's temple's return, but I think that ZOE is the senti rather than Chloe, given that we haven't actually seen Zoe's father, and barely even heard about him.

[princess-of-the-corner]

Honestly, I think SentiZoe makes more sense.

Like, she goes to Paris because her father finally succumbed to the illness the peacock left him with, and Audrey just had Zoe created to be "Chloe, but better".

I mean.

That's.

Kinda what I implied even without the sentimonster thing.

But I don't think Senti!Zoé makes as much sense as she is very clearly going against what Audrey wants, and Audrey is just throwing a tantrum about it instead of 'fixing' her with the Amok.

[sunfoxfic]

The thing that I really like about the "all rich kids are sentis" theory is that it very much so opens the doors to the possibility of having a group home for them once their parents are all arrested. Which is like, tragic no doubt, but also the idea of Adrien, Félix, Chloé, Kagami, Zoé, and (possibly?) XY all living in a house together is inherently funny. The shenanigans. The possibilities.

[flightfoot]

So about the SentiZoe theory.

I remember when Zoe was first introduced the main thing I didn't like was how "convenient" she was. It felt very obvious that the writers put her in to replace Chloe on Team Miraculous.

But then I thought: What if that's the actual reason for her existence IN-UNIVERSE?

What if Audrey had her created as a favor for Gabriel, as part of his whole Evil-Rich-People-SentiKid-Conspiracy?

Use her as a sleeper agent to get into Team Miraculous, then take control of her at the worst possible time and destroy the heroes from within?

Now, I'm pretty sure Andre doesn't know about any of this. His whole big thing is that he loves his kids, and he has Zoe counted as one of his kids. He'd probably be horrified by the idea. Which is good, since it means Zoe and Chloe still have one loving parent at the end of the day. (There's absolutely no doubt he'd win them in a divorce court.)

I love it when writers do that sort of meta-twist.

Yeah I still don't think this is likely, though it would make for some interesting fanfic fuel. We've never seen any indication of Vesperia being controlled or manipulated, and it seems like a moot point, now that Gabriel has the Bee Miraculous. If Zoe gets the Bee Miraculous back before Gabriel's taken down, then I might revisit this, though.

[flightfoot]

I have a theory, though it's kind of dark and heavily relies on the whole "Audrey is working with Gabriel" and the "senti zoe" Theory. Basically Audrey with Gabriel's help used the peacock and butterfly miraculous and removed Chloe's "flaws" from her which resulted in Zoe's creation. If Zoe is the result of Chloe’s “flaws” being removed from her by Audrey and Gabe, then what would you think if Zoe and Chloe physically merged together later on?

I highly doubt that this is the case, since that doesn't really jive with the way Sentihumans have been presented, with the theming especially. If this theory WAS true, I think merging Zoe and Chloe together would be a terrible idea. It would work better if each of them grew and continued being their own people instead. Even Kingdom Hearts which LIVED off of this sort of thing, had everyone separate out and be their own independent beings.

[flightfoot]

I think the only way the kids being sentis would kinda work for me, is if the wish gets used to rebuild the world and the thing that gets changed is that the kids become real and their asshole parents become the sentis instead. I don't know who would make that wish or how else this could be achieved, but Gabriel and Tomoe having to live the existential horror they inflicted on their children seems like a fitting punishment to me. And it makes it easier to sweep the Hawkmoth thing under the rug?

Eh... not really on board with that. It doesn't really do much for the overall messaging of the series, and it doesn't make much logical sense for the adults to be sentis. I mean, sure, part of me would like them to get a taste of their own medicine, but I don't think it'd actually be all that useful, and it's not like I can see the kids actually controlling their parents this way, they're too nice and more for that, except for Felix.

[flightfoot]

If both Kagami and Chloe is sentimonster then why only Emilie dead? Shouldn't they too have the symptoms after using a broken miraculous since Evolution shown that the miraculous is already broken by the time Gabriel gave it to her.

Simple: I don't think Emilie IS the only one who's dead. Also I don't actually think that Chloe is a sentimonster, I think that Zoe is.

Notice that we only know about one living parent for Kagami, Zoe, Adrien, and Felix. I think the other parents (Kagami's dad, Zoe's dad, Adrien's mom, and Felix's dad) were the ones who actually used the Peacock and thus, fell ill.

[flightfoot]

The whole Zoe is a sentimonster thing, it could kinda explain why Andre seems alright with Zoe even though she's supposed to be like, walking proof his wife cheated on him. What if Zoe's other parent was just some chump Aubrey paid to use the peacock to make her own designer sentibaby without risking her life like Emilie or Colt or Mr. Tsurugi? That way, there was no cheating involved and no reason for Andre to have anything against Zoe. Seeing the custom order child discarded because Aubrey got bored of her, it's easy for Andre to sympathize with her.

The only question is, why give her the surname Lee? Well... Maybe Lee was Aubrey's maiden name? I dunno. This is just a theory.

Huh. Yeah, that's possible. I also just think that Andre, for all his faults, might just be very accepting though. It's not like it would be Zoe's fault that her mom cheated on him.

[flightfoot]

That’s like 3/4 major rich families with sentikids. I think it’s funny that the grown ups apparently thought sex or insemination was too much trouble and decided to create magical, artificial babies instead. 😆 Should we wait for the hints that Chloe or Zoe is a sentikid too? Then again, I might find that somewhat more believable than Audrey willingly going through pregnancy twice.

Oh I'm pretty sure one of them is a Senti, I wrote a theory about it last year, after "Gabriel Agreste" aired. Partially because, like you pointed out, it's hard to picture Audrey willingly going through pregnancy twice. I'm banking on Zoe, personally, though I have no clue what her amok might be.

[flightfoot]

I feel even though Audrey has all these high standards of what Chloe should be, she never actually put it into thought when creating Chloe. It's like if you have all these ideas for a drawing, but you forget or didn't think about putting them in when you're doing the drawing. Hence you come up with a final product that falls short of what you wanted.

Definitely possible. Though I think that Zoe is more likely to be the sentimonster.

[flightfoot]

I think if either of the Bourgeois kids were sentimonsters, it'd be Chloe. We know Andre has some connection to Gabriel/Emilie with the film, since he was the director before Audrey forced him to go into politics. So, it makes sense to me that the Bourgeois created Chloe and then Audrey fell pregnant with Zoe a few months later. So my theory is that Chloe is the sentimonster and Zoe is a real human.

Hm. It is true that Andre has connections to Gabriel and Emilie because of the film, but Audrey also has connections to Gabriel because she "discovered" him, so I dunno whether that means much.

My big question, as far as Chloe potentially being a sentimonster, is: who created her? Remember, the Peacock Miraculous was ALREADY broken in Evolution, before Emilie ever used it. Presumably, anyone who used it to create their own child would have fallen ill, like Emilie did. Chloe has both of her parents, and we haven't heard anything about anyone else who might feasibly have created her. While for Zoe, her dad might have created her - we know little enough about him, it's possible.

[flightfoot]

Doesn’t that mean Chloe is confirmed not a sentimonster? But then again Zoe was not in the second half of the episode? SentiZoe confirmed?

I don't think Emotion confirmed that Chloe wasn't a sentimonster. Keep in mind that the Peacock Miraculous Holder can only sense Amoks, NOT Sentis, and there's no reason to believe that Chloe would have been given her own Amok.

That being said, I do think that Zoe's far more likely to be a Senti, given her conspicuous absence from the event, and because, like everyone else we are pretty sure are sentis, we've only seen one of her parents - it's likely that her dad is ill or dead.

[flightfoot]

She did, true, but considering that Audrey can’t even be bothered to remember Chloe’s name, I’m not convinced that she’d keep track of whether the guy she had a romantic tryst with (and even had a daughter with) was dead or alive.

If both Kagami and Chloe is sentimonster then why only Emilie dead? Shouldn't they too have the symptoms after using a broken miraculous since Evolution shown that the miraculous is already broken by the time Gabriel gave it to her.

Simple: I don't think Emilie IS the only one who's dead. Also I don't actually think that Chloe is a sentimonster, I think that Zoe is.

Notice that we only know about one living parent for Kagami, Zoe, Adrien, and Felix. I think the other parents (Kagami's dad, Zoe's dad, Adrien's mom, and Felix's dad) were the ones who actually used the Peacock and thus, fell ill.