#sasuke retsuden arc

[scarecrowofthefields]

HUH?!? KAKASHI RETSUDEN WAS ADAPTED IN BORUTO?? it had 3 scenes over the course of the Sasuke Story arc. BUT HE'S THERE, KAKASHI'S THERE. thought his last appearance was in episode 260- time to update my list

also nanara is so cute :(

[brendinoj]

I talked about Itachi from an Ethical and Moral perspective. I feel like every time someone brings up his character they are either blindly all on one side or the other.

I believe it’s fine to pick either side depending on how you view him as a character within the series and your own interpretation on Ethical dilemmas and Moral concepts, especially within a certain society/community.

I judged him based on the concepts and ethics in the Naruto verse itself and applied real world principles/dilemmas to his actions. I think it’s an interesting take on his character and I was wanting people to listen to what I have to say and tell me what you think, if you have any differing opinions (which I’m sure many will) , and overall thoughts on the video itself when it comes to editing and production. Thank you.

P.S. I’ll also make some based around other characters as well like Minato, Madara, etc.

https://youtu.be/9vxHV5mg6JM

[bright-hope-spot-19]

Anyways, gonna put this under a read more. For context, I've watched a video on YouTube trying to justify why Narusaku would've made more sense than Sasusaku, and as you can imagine, the comments section had people rightfully hating on SS but by siding with Sakura and putting the whole blame on Sasuke, accusing him of being an abuser and whatnot. So, this is a response to those people under the cut:

Can Sakura stans please, stop blaming Sasuke for Sasusaku? Accusing him of being abusive or that he doesn't deserve her, cause she should've ended up with Naruto, Rock-Lee, or worse, there's also the girlies who believe Sakura was a closeted lesbian and had feelings for Ino! When she's as straight as a ruler, lol. Sasuke never wanted Sakura. He told her on multiple occasions that he doesn't want her. That he thinks she's annoying, that Naruto and Itachi are the only bonds he cares about. She's the one who kept obsessively simping and chasing after him, and crying and pouting like a baby, whenever he didn't pay attention to her.

The scene in the war arc, where she tried to act all cool by charging at Madara in his sague of 6 paths form, unable to see his clones and Sasuke and Naruto had to rescue her? She was doing it for Sasuke's attention cause she pouts and gets sad when she sees he doesn't care about her. When Kaguya showed up and she started switching dimensions and at one point switched to a lava dimension, and they started falling? Sasuke summoned his hawk and chose to rescue only Naruto, even when Naruto had the unlocked ability to levitate while ignoring Kakashi and Sakura. If it weren't for Kashi, Sakura would've fallen into the lava and died. Same with him covering team 7 with his Susanoo when the Tsukuyomi was first launched: he explicitly said he only wanted to protect Naruto cause he was necessary to end the war, he didn't care bout Kashi and Sakura. They just got lucky to be standing next to Naruto when it happened.

At one point, before Sasuke put her in that genjutsu of him stabbing her through the chest, she literally started crying and complaining about him not loving her or caring about her, to the point that, Kakashi started coddling her as he always does, also insisting to Sasuke that 'Sakura's feelings are pure and genuine and she only cares about him and how can he not see that.'

Sasuke tried making it clear to her time and time again that he's not interested, yet she cannot for the life of her, get it through her thick skull and leave him alone. Guys, Sarada canonically exists, only cause Sakura kept harassing Sasuke on his travels outta the village and chasing after him, until he gave in and fucked her. In one of the Naruto novels (not the trash written by Jun Esaka. I think it was Sakura retsuden or hidden or smth). She herself has a line saying that she'd never stop chasing Sasuke, and would keep insisting and harassing him till he accepted her feelings. That's highkey criminal behavior. She's a stalker and she asked for the loveless marriage she's stuck in now. That's what she wanted. She should've known with that 'oh so great intelligence of her' (note the sarcasm) before she started chasing him that it was very likely she'd end up pregnant and a single mother to boot. Because Sasuke doesn't love her.

It's further proven in Boruto, in that one arc where Sarada first meets Sasuke and shit? Heavily implying Sasuke never kissed her, and when he sees Sakura injured from her fight with Shin (the weirdo with the multiple sharingan ) he barely shows any concern, he's just like 'yeah, you can heal yourself, whatever'. At the end of the arc when he's leaving again, he just gives her a look and doesn't even bother with a forehead poke (and it's not a signal of love like SS fans like to believe).

SS is a trash ship and not because of Sasuke who got dragged into it against his will, ruining his character in the process, but solely because of Sakura. She's not the victim just cause she's a girl, ya'll. She's the active perpetrator. If the roles were switched and Sasuke was the one obsessively chasing Sakura everyone would recognize that behavior as toxic and criminal, but just because she's the one doing it and Sasuke constantly refused her she's a victim? Utter bs, lol.

[carmenserenity123456]

The big answer for some questions from ss stans who state that Sasuke would always choose Sakura over Naruto and Retsuden is the proof…. Guys Retsuden is not and never will be canon because firstly Kishimoto did not write it, secondly Eska said it is her interpretation, thirdly it has Kishimoto’s name and art on it because Naruto was created by him and he has a contract that states he have to draw cover etc. and lastly the story of Retsuden contradicts itself with what Kishimoto wrote.

In Naruto manga we have many instances where Sasuke always chooses Naruto over Sakura. The war arc is the best example: he let her fall into lava, he wanted to left her when the bomb was going off, he did not want to save her from Kaguya and through out the manga he always said to her that it is not her business but he always engages Naruto into his life. Of course I understand that ss stans will say that he was into darkness blah blah but so what? Why would he choose Naruto then if he was into darkness? Come up with something more creative please.

Bless Kishi that he wrote Gaiden because there we even find more proof that Sasuke will always choose Naruto over his wife. This is Sasuke’s face after 12 years of not seeing Sakura. He is not happy at all, kind of annoyed or angry even.

This is Sasuke’s face when he stops Sakura from apologizing and in that moment he wanted to tell the truth why he does not come home. His face looks here really angry and Sakura looks worried. Why is she worried? because Sasuke would say the hard truth right there because he is honest.

This is Sasuke when Sakura was captured. Sarada is more worried than her own father, husband of her mom. Instead he is talking about time space ninjutsu…. He did not even want to sense her and she was taken somewhere on Earth.

And here is Sasuke when Naruto was attacked. Sasuke knows that Naruto can heal right away but look at the horror on his face. Ss will say that he does not worry about Sakura because she is strong but that is not the case because even if someone is strong but if you love them you will always worry about them because of these feelings.

In Boruto movie which was written by Kishi, Sasuke sensed Naruto’s chakra in the other dimension right away and went to save him as fast as possible. He even gave him support by touching his back while with Sakura he asked if she can heal herself. Great support and his face 😂

Lastly, you base everything on the novels but in the novel after Retsuden Sasuke wanted to die with Naruto and was so ready to leave Sakura but then you will say it is not canon 😂 So yeah Sasuke will always choose Naruto. Always because he is his one and only. That is why Kishi wrote Gaiden because every non canon trash that comes out about SS will always be massacred by it. Kishi is genius.

[awinterrosesstuff]

I've seen people comparing it to Karin's sensing technique, but honestly it looks more like one of the byakugan's capabilities. She doesn't sense chakra there. She uses her chakra to "see" (sense ?) what there's behind the wall (a spiral staircase) and I'm sorry but that's ridiculous.

Apparently, she is a sonar now in Sasuke Retsuden.

Yeah, first, in itself the technique isn't ridiculous. It's explained (not particularly well but okay). She sends chakra in a surface and can detect objects and traps. There's she sees the spiral staircase in her mind. She's basically scanning the area like Neji and Hinata would with the byakugan. The light novel doesn't explain much, except that thanks to her "excellent chakra control" she can send the chakra into the wall and see the structure her chakra touches.

Now... why I find this ridiculous.

First, it comes from nowhere in the story itself. They were talking about Tsunade. She just happens to touch the wall and then she senses something. She wasn't searching for a secret or something. It's just an "accident". Then she does it and never uses it again. That's it.

Plus Sakura being a sensor was never pointed in the Naruto manga or Gaiden. I mean being able to sense the chakra of Kurama or Madara is nothing special. When Naruto uses Kurama's chakra during the war arc, everyone from team Taka is able to sense it. And they were near Konoha. Orochimaru precisely notes that nobody from the team is a sensor. And he's even able to say it's Naruto. So yes, Sakura isn't a sensor because she can sense Madara's chakra or Kurama's chakra when Naruto attacks Orochimaru (in the second arc of the second part, wow !) contrary to some claims I've seen by her fans.

Then it doesn't make sense with her character. Why did she create that technique specifically ? Sakura is a medic kunoichi. She isn't a tracker like Hinata, Shino or Kiba for instance. She was never in a team for infiltration (ironic when you take into consideration that story) like Ino for example. Team 7 was most likely destined for combat when you look at Naruto and Sasuke. And... there's two sensors in the team. Sasuke with his sharingan can see chakra and Naruto can sense chakra and negative emotions. So why would Sakura think of creating that technique ? Doesn't make sense. Especially to detect objects.

Another question... why did the author give her that technique in the first place but thougth having her almost dying from poison was logical for her character ? I mean, Sakura is Tsunade's student, the best doctor in the world. It would make more sense for Sakura to be immune to poison than that. And while she can map an area, she can't sense danger anymore apparently.

It's just right there people...

What happened to the girl who was trained to anticipate and avoid dangers ? She's a fucking medical ninja. She was trained by Tsunade in taijutsu for that. She's supposed to have better evasion skills than the majority. The girl was able to fight alongside Chiyo against Sasori (who is far more dangerous and powerful than this Jiji).

And she ends crying for Sasuke because she can't heal herself. She can move, but can't activate her ultimate technique. Okay...

So like I said... in itself, the technique isn't ridiculous. Maybe if the story was better, I would find it acceptable. But in the context of Sasuke retsuden, it's just weird and superfluous. You want a joke ?

Sasuke doesn't only go to rescue her, but also heal her...

Probably, the author wanted Sakura to be some kind of damsel in distress. But it's one of the only situations that trope doesn't work for her. Kinda sad to write such a story for it that have so many plotholes.

That's the story Sasusaku's fans claim to be canon ? No thanks...

[evenmorebeetles]

One of the things that always really fascinated me about Sakura's character is how manipulative she is.

I was rewatching the anime with my partner because it was their first time, and when Sakura finds Sasuke to beg him not to go to Orochimaru, my partner said that they were a little disappointed that romance was emphasized in that scene over friendship, and I said, "You know, I think Sakura would have told Sasuke she loved him whether she did or didn't. She knows that he cares about her. I think Sakura would say anything she had to to get him to stay."

And the most obvious example of this is when she does that exact thing to Naruto before the Five Kage Summit, lying about having feelings for him in order to save him, and that scene is what I was referencing when I made the comment, but throughout the course of the anime, there are several other moments where Sakura either outright lies and cons or uses her feelings as a weapon to get her way.

She does it right when Team 7 is formed, when Naruto plays the eraser prank on Kakashi. Her inner monologue shows that she thinks it's hilarious, but instead she puts up this facade. She berates Naruto because she thinks it'll make her appear cooler to Sasuke, and she tells Kakashi that she told Naruto not to do it and that she would never do something like that because she wants to portray herself as not only superior to Naruto but as the good one, the innocent one, the one who can do no wrong.

She does it to Sai, Kiba, and Lee when she knocks them unconscious so that she can go kill Sasuke by herself. She does it when tells Sasuke that she wants to join him so that she can get close to him. She does it again when, at the end of the war, she begs Sasuke one last time. She even does it in Sasuke Retsuden when she cons Penjira at cards and reveals that she's been doing the same to Tsunade for years. And these are just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more.

Basically I'm saying that everyone should consider themselves lucky that Sakura's on Konoha's side because if she was the one with the villain arc? She'd be ruthless.

[inosakutema]

↳ INOSAKUTEMA

Farewell to 2023 knowing that the girls looked pretty and badass this year! To more content of Konohas' top girls. Boruto anime Code arc - Sasuke Retsuden anime arc - Sasuke Retsuden manga - Konoha Shinden manga

[theheirofthesharingan]

Call me crazy, but Jun Esaka just confirmed the SK authenticity by making the main villain look like Karin in a man's body.

I didn't know Karin was that much of a threat to the whole SS the romance shipping community.

Also, from the way I see things, Sasuke is MISERABLE with Sakura as his "wife" and no amount of Retsuden can change my mind on that fact.

I'd love to hear your side of the story.

Cheers

#anti Sasuke Retsuden #anti SasuSaku #anti Sakura

I had to look up who Jun Esaka was because I haven't read Sasuke's novels except one. But wow. It is crazy that the author of the non-canon material is doing stuff like that.

Karin was unfortunately neglected in order to give Team 7 more relevance when she could shine as her own person. I have no idea how is she being written in Boruto, but since novels are also getting their manga and anime adaptations, I have very little hope.

She is a good character who deserved better treatment from both Sasuke and Koshimoto, Boruto writer, and the novel writers.

I have always marveled at the fan following of the love interests of the main characters, because as characters they're not that interesting, let alone be relevant enough to have other characters' arcs be undone in their favor.

I sympathise with Karin a lot. It just makes me want to write her more and more in my fics (even though my stories aren't ship-focused).

[keepyourpantsongohan]

Meaningful Highlights from Sasuke Retsuden:

When Sasuke interrupts his own reconnaissance to untie a fellow prisoner who's being bullied, putting his mission in jeopardy to help a stranger.

When Sasuke is struggling to stand and falls backward into Sakura's arms and she catches him, the same way he caught her during the war arc: Without the strength left to even turn around, Sasuke fell backwards, and a familiar warmth caught him. “I got you, Sasuke.” It was Sakura’s voice.

Sasuke being so detailed-oriented with his friends and comrades that he knows their preferred method of picking a lock, and acknowledging he got his way from Kakashi: Kakashi often used the heat of Fire Style to melt the metal part. Shikamaru inserted a long, thin shadow into the keyhole to turn the cylinders. Naruto would make it move with a very small-scale bit of turbulence. Given that he excelled in Fire Style, Sasuke often followed Kakashi’s example and melted the lock itself.

Sasuke's narration putting how he feels about Sakura and how he copes with distance from her into words, both in narration and out loud: Even if they couldn’t always be together, the fact that Sakura was his wife and his family was never going to change. He was able to think like this thanks to a lesson from a good friend a long time ago. The most important thing was the bond they shared. He had a connection with Sakura that not even distance could touch. Even if he couldn’t see her every day, she was his precious partner.

The revelation that Sasuke was waiting for pink blossoms on a tree to bloom because he missed Sakura: “He used to sit here and stare out the window all the time. But he hasn’t been doing that lately. Not since you came. I always wondered what it was he was looking at, but now, I finally get it. He was wondering when that tree was going to bloom.”

Sakura being literally crushed in the crumbling foundations of a building but still being so selfless that she is concerned about not causing rockfall on someone else, and wishing she could be there to defend the prisoners. And, at the same time, Sasuke desperately manually digging through rubble to pull Sakura out, and being the one to heal her.

[badgalsasuke]

Is sasuke retsuden a novel or a manga? I think about a few weeks ago there was a viral sort-of SS tweet about a manga panel where sasuke gave sakura a ring and asks her to wear it in a rather curt way. I don't remember that being in gaiden or any of the boruto manga so that's why i'm asking if its part of that jun esaka fanfic, but I thought it was just novel? Anyways the viral tweet isnt exactly positive towards the SS ship cause if anything they're sort of bashing sasuke for being edgelord who are unfeeling even when proposing or something, but it still pissess me off that a non canon material went viral.

Hello anon!

Sasuke retsuden is filler. It's a manga adaptation of one of Jun Esaka's filler novels, I think Sasuke Shinden. But yeah, it's filler of filler that later got adapted into a filler arc for the Boruto anime. Slop after slop after slop. I think I know which panel you're talking about, is it the one where Sakura is blushing looking at her ring in her hand? because if yes, we also bashed it here on sns tumblr but because she looks STUPID rather than Sasuke being an edgelord.

[loveforuchiha]

Balcony scene in sasuke retsuden manga, art by boruto animator, and anime (sasuke retsuden arc)

[sasukeless]

how do u feel about the prosasuke tags and sasuke retsuden/ boruto sasuke

i miss when prosasuke tag was actually about how sasuke suffered the same villainization of victims most revenge arcs pull but now it’s just a cesspool of mischaracterization almost as bad as the one that happens in shipping and fanon

retsuden and novels are fillers and not canon so there’s nothing there to talk about. and boruto sasuke is a silly old man to me, love him despite the fact he’s a loser because i simply love all sasukes sorry

[lunaneko14]

https://x.com/uchihafamsss/status/1861766120052531229

they do realised they fell like 10 places from last year right? in January 2023 Boruto Anime was still airing and it was awhile after the Sasuke Retsuden arc was being broadcasted. So it's obvious they'd get fan content, right now Sasusaku is nowhere to be seen in the manga while naruhina and their kids get screentime and official stuff. There used to be a lot of Sasusaku fans almost 2 years ago now most fans left or want nothing to do with sakura/ss stans because of their attitude. And hey better get OFFICIAL content than fan content right? LOL.

Lol right

[narhinafan]

Sakura is like a curse which cursed the people surrounding her.. like sp animating ss fanfic which resulted them major backlash from all other fandoms and it ruined code arc and made them end up part 1 out of no where.

Ruined uchiha clan, sasuke's character and also sarada with her genes and salad's fever causing her glasses is hella sus when she is literally the freakin medic.

Even the ss shitsden ff writer is a traah just like midkura who is way too sure to replace kishimoto himself and helped her cult to cheat and increase views in online site for her ff.

Salad could've been the better character if she was sasukarin's daughter. Like imagine her being usefull, not a crybaby and well mannered girl who doesn't behaves or dresses like a hooker and perfect uchiha uzumaki jutsu combination. Sakura ruined the perfect oppurtunity by raping poor sasuke for her trophy child and clan.

Yeah like part 1 of Boruto was nearing its, but if Retsuden didn't get adapted I think some decent filler could have been made or they could have adapted the Boruto novels maybe throw in the Hinata chapter they didn't add to the family day arc.

True Sakura just isn't fit to be an Uchiha and Sakura is apparently the best medic in the village and trained by Tsunade the best in the world yet she couldn't take care of Sarada well enough to prevent her eye sight from deteriorating. Like come on what was Sakura doing trying to guilt trip Sasuke into coming back using Sarada.

Sarada could have been better, but she end up Sakura 2.0 instead of inheriting the usual Uchiha demeanor or better yet make her like Mikoto or Izumi.

[watermelonsloth]

OTPs and NOTPs have less to do with the ships and more to do with the characters

(Disclaimer: I’m speaking in extremely general terms and there are exceptions amongst ships/shippers. I’m also not trying to devalue or insult ships, or claim that one ship/shipper is somehow better than another. This post is meant to be an observation, not a judgement.)

I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that, at least amongst the most popular ships in the Naruto fandom, many ships have very little to do with the dynamics between two characters and more to do with one character getting their “happily ever after.” This is most apparent when you pay less attention to what a shipper is saying and more to how they’re saying it. A lot of ships are described using character-centric language.

(Disclaimer: I’m not saying don’t listen to what’s being said ever, otherwise you’ll never understand their thought process, I’m just saying that you can learn just as much about a ship by listening to the language used.)

SasuSaku is a Sakura-centric ship where Sakura gets the man she wants while simultaneously winning against all the other girls fighting for his hand. This is why in the retsuden Sasuke is so out of character and is sometimes referred to as “whipped for Sakura” by fans.

NaruHina is a Hinata-centric ship where Hinata marries the man she’s pined after for so long. This is why the last focuses on Hinata so much and Naruto is treated as an incredibly dense knight in shining armor.

NaruSaku is a ship that goes either way approximately 60-40. Naruto-centric shippers want Naruto to anchieve every dream he’s ever had and Sakura-centric shippers want Sakura to settle down with the person who’s been so dedicated to her. (I say either instead of both because I very rarely find shippers that vocalize the benefits for both parties.) This is (one of the reasons) why so many NaruSaku fans were surprised that it didn’t become canon; they think that Naruto’s wants weren’t prioritized or that Sakura’s character arc is incomplete.

SasuNaruSasu I’ve also seen go either way but it is largely a Naruto-centric ship where Naruto saves the man he spent so much time chasing after. This is (one of the reasons) why SNS fans think that the ship would’ve been canon if it were straight.

(I could go on, but that would take a while and I’m sure you’re smart enough to figure the rest out or do your own research.)

Why does the Naruto fandom often use the words “deserve” and “earn” despite that not being how relationships work? This is why. Why is one character more frequently used as a self-insert than others? This is why.

This is also where a lot of NOTPs stem from. There are a lot reasons why people don’t ship something or viscerally hate a ship, and this is one of the big ones. “Anti-” shippers often don’t like a certain character and don’t like any ships that favor that character, and they certainly don’t like any ships that favor that character over their favorite. This is why many Sasuke fans hate SasuSaku and SNS. This is why many Naruto fans don’t care for NaruHina. NaruSaku again is a slight exception in the way that some “anti-” shippers hate Sakura and don’t want Naruto with her or hate Naruto and want Sakura with someone else.

This is why I have personally blacklisted many anti-[enter ship here] tags. They’re full of character bashing.

Once again, this is meant to be writing out a general pattern I’ve observed. It’s not meant to be against any ships and I’m sorry if it comes across that way. This might just be me saying what everyone else already knows, but I’ve already typed it and I’m not going back.

[depressedhatakekakashi]

hii, thanks for explaining why Kakashi is not related to fascism, I usually read that term a lot in a fandom that I won't name, and since I don't know much about politics or things like that, I usually ignore it since I don't know much about the subject, so it's nice that there are people like you who explain the terms since you help people like me who don't know much about it

You’re very welcome!

A good explanation of fascism is that it is that it is based off of far-right nationalisms, with an authoritarian power structure and low tolerance for dissent or disagreement.

Now this may sound a lot like Konoha as we see it in the Hiruzen era, and that’s because it is! That’s why i’ll happily agree to Hiruzen’s era being fascist but also to fadcist elements still existing in Kakashi’s era (even after Fascism is removed it is rarely ever completly removed. Elements still hover around)

So examples of Facism in Konoha

Far-right Nationalism. Konoha (and all of the shinobi villages) are based off undying loyalty to the system and the village. This is an element built into the system that was needed to protect people at the start during war, but which really festered in Tobirama’s reign and became most prominent in Hiruzen’s. The reason i say it cestered in Tobirama’s reign is because from what we see of Tobirama, loyalty to the village is more important than anything. Also his students are prime examples of ‘far right nationalists’ with Danzo and the elder’s being the absokute worse but Hiruzen honestly not being much better.

This idea of nationalism/loyalty to the village is really exemplified in the ‘will of fire’ ideology’

And this is part one where Tsunade and Kakashi branch out from that idea. Kakashi is painfully loyal to the village himself but is also of the mindset that friends and loves ones come first.

By putting his teammates well being ahead of the village Kakashi actively steps away from the nationalistic mentality. He does not fully escape it Unfortunately, but he teaches his students that same ideology and by doing so helps them move away from the ‘will of fire’. In fact, the only Sensei we see actively passing down the will of fire ideology is Asuma, Hiruzen’s son. And that ideology lives on in Shikamaru

This is a case of ‘fascist elements continue to live on’ . Shikamaru and Asuma do not adhere to the will of fire the same way Hiruzen or Danzo do, but it’s an ideology from that past that continues to influence them.

Dissent or disagreement not being allowed is something HIGHLY visible in Hiruzen’s reign

Most obviously in the Uchiha uprising/massacure, but also in the way Sakumo is shunned for choosing his teammates over the mission.

Tsunade shows more care for her people when she tells Shikamaru that although the mission (sasuke’s retrieval arc) was failed, it was a success in her mind because no one died. She actively puts her shinobi’s lives over the mission which is not something that was done in Hiruzen’s reign.

Tsunade also shows her stepping away from this ideology by not punishing Kakashi for walking away from a mission she was trying to give him and instead going to find his missing students. Now to be fair to hiruzen he also showed a lot of leeway to Kakashi when he went against order’s to save Tenzo from Danzo, but Hiruzen also got something out of the deal (A mokuton user). Tsunade had little to gain from allowing Kakashi to show such disregard for her authority.

Now for Kakashi- we don’t see his reign but we can see from how he reacts to Naruto going against his plan/instructions that he does not care too much about people following him as long as their goals are to protect their loved ones

If we use Kakashi Retsuden, the only Shinobi we know of that Kakashi dismisses is dismissed not for breaking rules or disrespecting authority. He’s dismissed for stealing from the people he’s supposed to be helping (a very reasonable reason to dismiss someone tbh)

If we don’t use Kakashi retsuden and only 100% canon sources, Kakashi still shows no signs of being anything like Hiruzen where he would willfully accept the murder of an entire clan as ‘the only option’ to dealing with their grievances. Kakashi also would not show contempt or anger to someone disagreeing with him. He has too little respect for himself to care tbh.

Authorian power structure is still very much a thing with the Hokage’s title, but still not quite the same.

Tsunade, Kakashi and Naruto lean on their support a lot more. They don’t just have the elder’s to call back on (i’m not sure if the elder’s being alive still is manga canon or just anime) and even though those elder’s do hover around in anime which allows thise fascist elements to continue on, they’re not as respected/listened to as when Hiruzen was in charge. They’re more of a background piece.

Kakashi actuvely changes the system. Now here we’re using the book because we don’t get to see anything in manga or anime until after, but Konoha is no longer purely nationalistic. They are bonded with the other villages in trade agreements and peace. Now there are still nationalistic views/pieces of course (again, even after a system ends not every element if it vanishes) but the main idea of ‘loyalty to Konoha and only Konoha’ is no longer a thing. The villages work together to try and achieve a better future.

We see past Kage (onoki) struggle with this new world and end up destroying themselves because they can’t move forward with the rest of the world (anime only i believe) but those who could move forward and accept that peace was here and they didn’t have to ‘be ready for the next fight’ thrived with their villages.

And this idea of real cooperation didn’t start during Kakashi’s reign. It started with Tsunade’s. Hiruzen MIGHT have been willing to work with the other Kage, but while danzo was in charge it was clear he would only do so if HE was in charge. That is a major factor to why Hiruzeb’s Konoha is fascist. Not just because Dabzo exists in it, but because Hiruzen refuses to actually do anything about Danzo and instead often ends up agreeing with him/doing what he wants to do.

So whilte elements of Fascism continue to persist during Tsunade and Kakashi’s (and Naruto’s) reigns, they no longer rule Konoha’s system. They are both at the forfront of the system.

Now i will agree that Not making the Uchiha Massacure known is a part of that continued Facism, but that’s also not Tsunade or Kakashi’s fault. In fact we never even get to see either of them fully understand the situation.

We get to see Kakashi state he wants to find out more before doing anything, but he never does cuz the story just sort of drops it

But for Naruto we (unfortunately) get to see his end of the Massacure issue being Itachi asking him to keep the truth a secret.

By keeping it a secret they don’t heal the past or make any move to show that they will not be repeating that kind of shit, though we can assume that Tsunade, Kakashi and Naruto (based off who they are as characters) are not going to bend and agree to the slaughter if an entire clan, children included, for the crime of being unhappy with the way they are being treated.

But once again, Fascism does live on in a small way when the truth of the Massacure is kept hidden.

But overall, Tsunade, Kakashi and Naruto’s Konoha are not the same as the past.

They are not the rampantly fascist society that thrived under Hiruzen

The people and Shinobi of Konoha can rest knowing that

Their Hokage won’t shame them for choosing their loves ones over the mission/village (would go directly against Tsunade and Kakashi’s personal codes)

They won’t be punished for speaking out/disobeying their Hokage

They can work with the other villages and thrive alongside them, rather than being plunged into constant war against them.

Although the existing power structure is still in place it is not as authoritarian. (Could be better, but i digress)

The will of fire doesn’t seem to be a main teaching point anymore.

Learning about chakra and shinobi methods is no longer restricted to those who are 100% planning to be shinobi. I think it might be anime only but Civilians are welcomed into the academy to learn shinobi skills even if they have no intention of being shinobi, allowing them to better protect/care for themselves rather than always having to rely on a shinobi’s protection to do things like travel between villages.

Konoha is still far from perfect, but honestly there’s no such thing as a perfect system and going from outright very fascist to ‘not at all fascist’ takes time. I know people like to act like it can just be dismantled, but that’s not how it works unfortunatly unless you take an authoritarian/dictatoral route and just… kill everyone who holds those okd ideals (not that i would mind if Sasuke had been allowed to kill the elders. That would have been nice. Free therapy for bum and an issue in Konoha’s system resolved)