#sarah kinney

[hellix-fan]

Cass and Laura comparason commission by sketchatron

[whywhywhymoney]

While I'm here talking about Laura, it's a real pet peeve of mine when writers (comics, fics or otherwise) try to draw physical parallels between Logan and Laura, when there's plenty more interesting ways to do it.

Laura looks like her mother! Her mother that she loved but was horifically abusive to her but still loved her and read Pinocchio to her but still made her kill and then was ultimately killed by Laura. I don't even think it's something anyone can get away with handwaving bc pretty much every single artist draws Laura just like Sarah Kinney, except shorter obvs.

And that's something Laura just has to live with, especially as she grows older and maybe her hair is halfway up and she half-glances past a mirror and does a double-take because - that's her mother looking back at her.

[sevspins]

i love laura kinney so much. Innocence Lost is so beautifully written and so meaningful. I honestly relate to it in a metaphorical way and I think it’s important to have stories like this. I want to see more of her in the MCU, specifically, I want to see her cope with the things she’s done and trying to be better. How wolverine helps her through that, like in the comics. And even Gambit maybe (even though I doubt they’ll do that)

I also think it’d be so cool to have her reiterate the line she says at Logan’s funeral, but this time in relation to herself and her journey. “There’s no living with the killing. There’s no going back. Right or wrong, it’s a brand. A brand that sticks.” I think this is just so beautiful and could be used so well again as a tie in parallel.

There’s another quote she says in “All New Wolverine Vol 1 #18”;

“I'm not X-23. I'm not your experiment. I'm not your fucking property! You are the last person who will ever think they can own me. No one owns me! I'm not a thing. I'm Laura Kinney! I'm the daughter of Sarah. I'm the daughter of Logan. I'm Wolverine!”

Maybe they tie this line into one of the new Avengers films but Id give anything to have this said on screen!

Anyways, point is Laura Kinney is amazing and has a beautiful story about self discovery and imposter syndrome. I recommend X-23: Innocence Lost, to everyone.

[oliveoomph]

Em Haine as Sarah Kinney

Reginald the Vampire - s02e08

[lovecatsys]

hey, marvel fans of color, how do you think that marvel should acknowledge and deal with their whitewashing of Laura Kinney? for those who don't know, before Laura was adopted into the marvel comic universe, she was an original character created for X Men Evolution (the 00s cartoon), and she was visibly mixed race.

I don't think we know what ethnicity she was intended to be on her mother's side, but the x men evolution wiki speculates her mother may have been black or polynesian?

Either way, she didn't have the name Laura Kinney yet in this cartoon, she was simply known as "X-23," with no other known name. It was the marvel comics that gave her a white mother with the name "Sarah Kinney," and made her look white.

in Logan (2017) they changed her origins a bit and said that her birth mother was Mexican (along with other kids who had been birthed in the same program as her) but she still looked white passing in the movie.

I'm curious how you think that marvel should deal with this, should her race be "retconned"? should they simply start coloring her brown again?

[farsight-the-char]

On a scale of Sarah Kinney to David Cain, how much do you love your eugenics experiment child?

[laurajameskinney]

honestly i do think it is a really important part of their story that sarah is the one that named laura. even with my personal hcs about laura being transgender and therefore picking her own personal name, sarah still named her. HER NAME IS STILL KINNEY !!!! sarah recognizing that laura is a person, before laura ever recognized this, and giving her a name because she is a person is SO important and aus or remixes or whatnot where laura having a name is an independent internal decision and process she does herself, or worse, LOGAN is the one to name her is like no!!!! SARAH KINNEY IS A PART OF THIS STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[strangenewwords]

X-23 (2005) #1

In which we learn a lot about Laura’s surrogate. I wish I’d read these years ago because SO much is explained here. I also wish, though, they hadn’t made the choice to make her look so much like Laura. They do a lot of good pseudoscience here, but readers are going to infer that this woman is genetically related to Laura but she isn’t.

[luimnigh]

I think Sarah Kinney wins the award for "Most Children Born After Death of Parent" in the Summers Family Tree, which is not only a category of person in this whole thing, but a category with legitimate competition.

She's currently sitting at twelve, while her nearest rival only has three.

[dewyatt]

X-23: The First Clone

The origin story of Laura Kinney was first published in 2005. Although a version of the same story was summarized at in X-23′s first appearance in X-Men: Evolution in 2003, when we first meet her in the books in NYX, the story spends almost no time on her background. All we’re introduced to is a virtually mute young girl sharing Wolverine’s powers who was forced into prostitution, and we’re given no context for how she got there. It would be two years before the story of her creation was told in full in the comics.

In it, Dr. Sarah Kinney proudly proclaims that the process of cloning a mutant is something akin to godhood. Right from the very start, there seems to be a problem with this statement, as by the time Laura made her first appearance, and her origins were told, comics were positively brimming with clones.

Among the most famous is Madelyne Pryor, the Goblin Queen, created by Mister Sinister to further his obsession with the Summers/Grey bloodline after the (apparent) death of Jean Grey.

And of course, no conversation about clones in the Marvel universe is complete without Ben Reilly and the Clone Saga.

Which begs the question: How can Sarah Kinney be breaking such new ground, if it was already so well-trodden by the time she came on the scene?

The answer is: It wasn’t.

Marvel’s continuity is built around the Sliding Time Scale, which basically freezes the entire universe in a sort of stasis where no matter when characters first appear, they more or less don’t age (or if they do so, it’s very slowly, very generally working out to approximately 1 year in Marvel = 4 years in real life). And that time scale begins in the 1960s, with Fantastic Four #1, with X-Men #1 occurring roughly around the same time. And, according to Marvel, only between 10-15 years have passed since the Fantastic Four made their famous space flight.

So how is that relevant to Sarah Kinney’s hubris?

In All-New Wolverine #27, Daken reveals that Laura was cloned “20 years ago,” and it’s since been established that Laura is approximately 21 years old in the present day (her interactions on Krakoa and in X-Terminators suggest she is of legal drinking age).

Which means that if only 10-15 years have passed since the Fantastic Four’s flight, Laura was born anywhere between 5-10 years before the events of Fantastic Four and X-Men #1.

Almost every other clone we’ve seen in the main Marvel universe, whether Maddie, Ben, the Stepford Cuckoos, or even Sinister’s own many clones of himself, are known to be created after these two comics.

As a consequence, the Sliding Time Scale makes X-23 one of, if not the, first clones in the Marvel universe.

Sarah Kinney’s hubris was well-justified. She truly was breaking scientific ground that not even Mr. Sinister himself had not yet touched — in fact, even Madelyne herself was a failure until a fragment of the Phoenix brought her to life.

For all we know, her work to create Laura is now retroactively the foundation of all human cloning in the Marvel universe. Welcome to godhood indeed.

[whywhywhymoney]

I think I'm just a glutton for complex or weird mother-daughter relationships where the daughter resembles the mother/relative in looks and then the personality is so different like -

Yes that's your mirror but it's warped, misshapen, almost better somehow. Do you hate it, love it, are you filled with unease?

Idk, they are so important to me. Make me go crazy.

[sarcastic-salem]

X-23: Innocence Lost & Target X Are The Books That Will Make You Hate Steve Rogers

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X-23: Innocence Lost is a 2005 graphic novel published by Marvel, following the popularity of the X-Men: Evolution cartoon series which was based off a miniseries of the same name. The show featured the X-Men attending public high school as teenagers while living at the Xavier Institute, which for all intents and purposes served as a group home in the show. The show also served as the debut for the fan favorite character Laura Kinney — AKA X-23.

Following her debut in the Evolution cartoon series, Laura became so in demand that Marvel decided to officially introduce her into the Marvelverse with Innocence Lost. And lemme just say innocence was indeed lost.

The book focuses heavily on Sarah Kinney, whose a scientist and Laura’s mother for all intents and purposes. Sarah was originally hired by the Weapons Plus program — the same government program that produced Weapon X (Wolverine) — to create a clone of Logan Howlett. But when Sarah failed to create a male clone and instead produced a female clone — this is next part is a wee bit fucked up — she is forced to carry Laura to term herself as punishment.

I bet you’re starting to wonder how Steve Rogers comes to play into all of this.

Welp, following years of child abuse — I mean, training — and being forced against her will to carry out multiple assassinations by the Weapons Plus program, Laura eventually escapes the facility she was raised in following her mother’s death. Grief-stricken and rife with PTSD, Laura decides to hunt down Logan at the Xavier Institute in Target X, which is the direct sequel of Innocence Lost. It all leads up to what, I think, is a very touching murder-suicide attempt.

Luckily, Logan is saved from the fourteen-year-old girl by none other than….

Steve Rogers

And if you wanna see the irony and hypocrisy that ensues, I highly recommend doing a compare and contrast of these two books alongside of Ed Brubaker’s Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Or, ya know, watch the movie. That might get the message across a lot clearer.

Happy Reading❤️

[comicsiswild]

X-23 (2005) #5

[oliveoomph]

Em Haine as Sarah Kinney

Reginald the Vampire - s02e10

[lovecatsys]

okay I think what that person meant by Sarah Kinney being whitewashed is that she was based on Dr. Deborah Risman from X-Men Evolution, which I didn't realize at the time.

Deborah wasn't mentioned to be Laura's mother in any genetic way in the show but it's possible, she and Laura have very similar facial features and her skin is a bit darker than Laura's.

I didn't know this at the time of making my original post abt Laura's whitewashing but uh yeah, Kyle and Yost were NOT responsible for Laura being white in Earth 616, she was brought into the universe by Quesada in NYX without their permission or them knowing at all.

This is a huge problem for me, Laura's whitewashing and straightwashing is something that is continuously ignored in favor of marvel dudebros who think she's hot and would whine too much if she came out or was drawn as brown.

Also, to anyone who argues that they whitewashed her to make her look more like Logan– she looks EXACTLY like Sarah lol.

and with the visible comparisons between Laura and Dr. Risman in XME, it seems to me like she was always meant to look like her mother, rather than looking like Logan.

I know a lot of you argue that they're never going to let her be brown and gay like she was intended to be– but I say we shouldn't give up.

Bobby Drake came out as gay after DECADES of subtext, the Maximoff twins were drawn as white for decades after them being established as Roma, until recently. I think there's hope, if we keep talking about it, making people aware of Kyle and Yost's intentions with Laura, we may create enough pressure for the writers to let Laura be who she was intended to be.

[farsight-the-char]

Laura looking like Sarah makes sense if you go with "Trans Girl Laura" as your interpretation.

As she finds herself and goes through HRT, she finds her face looking more like Sarah Kinney's.

Interesting Angst and Joy Potential there.