#sams bloodmoon analysis

[ikamigami]

Hey ikami, whats your opinion on Bloodmoon

Hey, anon!

My opinion on Bloodmoon... hmm...

I wouldn't be mad if Bloodmoon would turn out to be alive. I don't have any problem with them either being dead or alive. I like them. They were funny character. But to say that they would definitely get redeemed it's a stretch. The last time we saw BM, they were completely okay with killing and tormenting others. They also accepted their hunger for blood.. which made redemption less possible, in my opinion.

BM didn't seem to want to change, they weren't willing to be better. Heck, I don't even know if they'd stop killing if they stopped craving blood. Because they liked it. People wrongly assumed that BM not liking the feeling of constant hunger (it was harder to think for them while they were hungry) equals BM not liking to kill. Which is logical fallacy on people's part. Bloodmoon were evil and they liked it. We've never heard BM crying because he had to kill others (because of hunger). They've never regreted such actions like killing, hurting and tormenting others. Never.

Bloodmoon were a good villain but I don't like that people were/are treating BM in the same way they treat Lunar. Because with Lunar it's somewhat understandable. With Bloodmoon on the other hand, not. I wouldn't mind treating BM like a child but only in fanarts and fanfiction because it's okay to do whatever you want with characters (to some degree, I mean). But stop bringing this into discussions about them etc. Because they ain't kid. They ain't innocent. They're cold-blood murderer and sadist. And stop excusing their actions.

If Eclipse was the one who Sun killed, people wouldn't mind it (besides Eclipse stans). Which tell us a lot about people's morality. And it ain't looking good.

I'll also add that I blame more KC for the fact that Bloodmoon stopped thinking about "not wanting to crave blood". Because he had a great influence over them and he approved that killing is okay. Heck, he even learnt BM blood magic. And beside that with KC we could see that the mere wanting to change mean very much for a redemption of a character. Neither Eclipse nor Bloodmoon wanted to change.

And I think that that one person who I saw saying that Eclipse is also responsible for BM's death is right because Eclipse tried to get under BM's skin by telling them that aren't that much important for KC. Which could easily lead for their restlesness which led them to wanting to torment the Daycare Attendants which led them to their demise.

I hope that this answer satisfies you, anon. But if you have any more questions about Bloodmoon, go ahead and ask me because I could've forgot about some important things in this post.

[h-didanart]

it’s the fishes again!

finally some more mermay shtick with my Bloodmoons! Enjoy the doodles!

Ooh, I don’t think I said it before, but each twin set is based off different fish! The separated ones are both sharks, a great white shark and an orca respectfully; the ones mostly in greyscale are deep sea fish, an angler and a Black Sea dragon; and the ones in the jacket are extremely poisonous, blue (technically red) ringed octopus and box jellyfish!

[glade-constellation]

“I’m sorry. I wish you could have been different. And I wish I didn’t snap that day and hurt you. But I didn’t have a choice. Bloodmoon, you would have done it all over again. And again. And again. I don’t know how many more people you would have hurt. Whoever it would have been I saved them from your vileness. But don’t come to me about regretting anything. I didn’t take joy in hurting you. I would have loved to have another brother.”

[ikamigami]

Upon reflection it's not surprising Sun believes so many bad things about himself the guy's been gaslit horribly, besides the constant string of insults from Moon since day one, when Eclipse showed up both he and Moon really started pushing the "you'd make a good Eclipse" and "according to Eclipse YOU'RE the one who killed that government member" and "welcome to my nightmare" and a bunch of other things constantly telling him he's just as bad as Eclipse or Bloodmoon, and others like the Glamrocks who know nothing just sort of make assumptions based on what they hear from Moon or react weirdly when Sun's unhappy, or if they're a human they may not be nice because of July 16th, both versions of Bloodmoon also fed into this, continuing the "you're not a good person" train, even Lunar fed into it by going "you're being just like the person you're trying to get rid of", and it stopped for a little while when Nexus was good, but new Eclipse and Ruin kept it going, then new Bloodmoon showed up and added to it, and then Nexus after he turned evil went "you'd make a good Eclipse" too, to really twist the knife in Sun's back, it took Sun nearly two years to finally start realizing July 16th wasn't his fault but there's so much more, this is just ONE thing, he's also been gaslit into believing he's responsible for Moon, Eclipse, Bloodmoon, and now Nexus's fall, he's stated he blames himself, that he wasn't "enough" to talk them out of it or keep them from falling, he was watching those Bloodmoon simulations probably hoping Bloodmoon could've been saved, he did say "I would've loved to have another brother" after all, and it's no wonder he's so mentally unkind to himself, it's going to take a lot more years of therapy to iron this stuff out

Yeah you're right, dear anon.

That's what I was trying to explain to people since the beginning..

But I'm glad to see more people seeing it and understanding it..

It makes me feel less.. crazy? Cause when others also start to see what I meant and understand it.. it stops looking like I'm just making things up and that it's just a stretch ^^

So thank you so much, dear anon 💗

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me ^^

And yeah Sun needs a lot more therapy and like I said no one even seem to realize that Sun truly believes that it's all his fault and that he's bad.. they don't realize how deep it runs in him.. even Sun himself doesn't realize that he needs help with such mindset..

[h-didanart]

Runaway pt2 food

HUNGER

And

Regret...

NO

NO YOU DIDNT

YOU DID NOT JUST GIVE THE BABIES A MORAL DILEMMA OF THIS MAGNITUDE

NO

(This is amazing, ignore the screaming, it’s just- their instincts, their need to feed clashing with their childhood innocence, of course they’d feel terrible after feeding and seeing what they did but what else were they supposed to do? It’s ingrained in how they are, they need to eat)

This is very tragic and angsty, poor babies

[goldfishontheceiling]

character analysis but with lyrics

SaMS Sun + "I Can't Handle Change" by Roar

It's kinda long so I'm putting a cut here-

"Hanging out where I don't belong is nothing new to me" - Sun feeling like he can't help the situation and feeling like he hasn't done anything for the others. (Which is what lead to him wanting to kill Eclipse.)

"I get tired and I get sick and then I lose the strength to leave" - Sun being tired and sick of the situation, giving up

"I can't handle change, I can't handle change" - Sun learns to associate change with bad, one of the reasons why he was reluctant to bring Lunar and Earth into the family.

"Nothing I do is ever good" - Sun having low self-esteem from being made fun of/hit for comedy

"Nothing I do is ever good enough" - In "Earth saves Sun," he says "I just wanna be good for once," again implying a low self-esteem, and that he feels like everything he does is for nothing.

"Nothing I do is ever good" - The repetition symbolizes how Sun genuinely feels this way from being seen as a joke his whole life.

"Nothing I do is ever good

Nothing I do is ever good enough

Nothing I do is ever good" - These represent specific examples of when Sun feels this way. The first one is when he keeps trying to fight Eclipse taking over and fails, the second one is when he tried to kill Eclipse by expelling him from his head and learning he was unsuccessful, and the last one is when he accidentally explodes Moon's magic circle while fighting Eclipse.

"Leave me alone, leave me alone" - These represent how Sun feels about his situation

"(I wanna go home now)" - Sun wanting things to be like they were before Eclipse, which lead him to going to that dimension where Sun and Moon never separated.

"Leave me alone, leave me alone" - While this could be about how Sun feels about the situation, it could also represent how he things people feel when he asks them for help or talks about his problems to them, since Moon always seemed dismissive of them pre-reset.

"(I wanna go home now)" - Him just wanting everything to be okay, since never separating wouldn't fix the problem."

"I can't help but repeat myself" - This one is a bit of a stretch, when people tend to be ignored when they say things, they tend to repeat what they say (a habit I know exists since I have it-). While I don't remember Sun himself doing this, it wouldn't be too for fetched if it did happen.

"I know it's not your fault" - He blames himself for all their problems and feel guilty blaming others.

"Still lately I begin to shake" - Shaking can be from anxiety, panic attacks, fear, etc. Sun's got all of the above-

"For no reason at all" - Sun thinks that other people have it worse and he should be "fine," plus he's in denial about his trauma.

"For no reason at all

For no reason at all

For no reason at all

For no reason at all" - The repetition of this line represents the 4 main sources of his trauma. The first is Eclipse, the second is being constantly ridiculed, the third is the constant instability of his life, and the fourth is the deaths of Bloodmoon, Moon, and Lunar.

[h-didanart]

Yeah, I was surprised they mentioned that actually. It was one of those things that, from my point of view, were treated more as jokes when brought up than anything; so I was pleasantly surprised when Moon was distressed at Foxy’s presence and brought it up.

Though for the “kids show” thing, I see it more as the show not having a specific target audience, there are FNaF fans, there are older fans, there are younger fans, etc, etc. Still, one would think this channel would’ve stopped being considered for kids when all the murder happened, or when all the intrafamiliar abuse was shown, or when one of the protagonists had a psychotic breakdown, but apparently not :/

(Also, what do you mean people ship (Old) Moon and Foxy?)

Now, Bloodmoon

You are the second person I have encountered who holds the exact same interpretation. And between their and your evidence, it checks out.

Personally I’m a bit iffy on the ‘Bloodmoon is a child’ thing due to my own reasoning of ‘Lunar isn’t a child, so Bloodmoon isn’t a child’, still, the interpretation is valid and to be completely honest, the people who run with this headcanon have made some very good works with it.

As for the other part of this one, the Jigsaw thing, yeah… yeah it… it really is read like that. You bring up the fact that Bloodmoon is meant to enjoy hurting others, a point I didn’t even consider, and link it to Jigsaw’s designing of them, Jigsaw who completely screwed Bloodmoon over with the way they were made. Shock collar, weak point, the need to obey//lack of free will, potentially tampered memories (that one is more a headcanon than anything), Jigsaw had been manipulating Bloodmoon since the moment they were remade.

Put all of that together with their masochism and attitude towards the twins and you get a horrifying situation.

(And this one might just be me remembering wrong, but didn’t Bloodmoon try to tear up Jigsaw’s arm at one point and completely backed off when Jigsaw kept goading them to do it?)

And you know what makes this worse? Ruin’s reveal. Because that would mean that Ruin did not have to do any of that. Faking masochism, understandable in the absolute hellhole its dimension was, not so much in the canon dimension, though I suppose it did manage to get Bloodmoon to not want to hurt it, it’s still creepy. The shock thing, which was an earlier reveal… ok that’s still as bad as it was when it was revealed that the controller didn’t actually work and Jigsaw was faking it. It retroactively makes its treatment of Bloodmoon seem even more predatory due to the fact that it did that just because, as if it took amusement from seeing Bloodmoon get uncomfortable at its acting.

(And I don’t know where to fit it but Bloodmoon used the shock as a reward system for Jigsaw after they saw how he enjoyed it, under these lenses that’s just straight up grooming isn’t it?)

I really doubt the writers were going for this though, but it has happened either way, we have been shown the evidence and can very organically come to this conclusion. Highly doubt the show will ever address this one HOWEVER— I feel the need to mention that the fans have.

If it’s bringing this to light you want, may I recommend ‘My secret little apprentice(s)’? It’s a Bloodmoon centered fic, centered around the October Takeover or 2023. Jigsaw very openly harasses Bloodmoon like that, and it is treated as a serious thing, even though the twins don’t particularly understand what is happening or why it makes them feel bad. It’s shown together with Jigsaw generally being a manipulative asshole towards the twins, I think there’s gaslighting, there’s definitely emotional abuse, and there’s physical as well in the shape of them being shocked (which I feel the show also skipped over), all of it wrapped “nicely” (not nice, very bad) under Jigsaw’s pretense of being Bloodmoon’s family//brother

So, yeah, uh, I don’t know what my point here was. This is a serious topic, the show does weird stuff sometimes, different interpretations are cool, Ruin and Bloodmoon’s dynamic is very versatile and deeply toxic and should be played around with more even if the results are this level of creepy, yeah

Rant about SaMS

TW: mentioned sexual harassment, referenced pedophilia/grooming

I’m so glad that old moon talked about the time when foxy harassed him. Yeah, I know the current foxy is a whole different character, but I feel like the show didn’t really talk about it.

If your confused, I’m referring to the episode where foxy made a bunch of borderline sexual comments about moon and tried to get him to go on a date with him, refusing to except no when moon very firmly said he’s not Interested.

The reason why I’m glad we’re talking about this now is for there reasons, one, maybe the show won’t be referred to as a kids show anymore, two, other characters who have dealt with similar things too might have some light shined on them too, three, I feel like no one really noticed that this happened And it honestly was really disturbing. Plus, it might help with the whole “people shipping old moon despite him being aroace” Situation. Particularly with foxy? I’ve seen some stuff shipping foxy and moon. granted it might be nexus/new moon

This show has struggled with being considered and “kids show” for so long at this point. And I do understand why, a lot of sun and moon fnaf fans are younger, plus the show started off with some more kid friendly episodes before adding eclipse and things got dark after that. But this show contains a lot of dark themes, Id prefer if my future didn’t didn’t watch until they got older (at least 13)

The “other characters” I’m referring to is bloodmoon. You will not change my mind that ruin harassed bloodmoon. He made bloodmoon to hurt people, while having a thing for getting hurt. He set bloodmoon up so that bloodmoon would be angry enough to lash out if given the chance, and told bloodmoon he could shock him, and proceeded to get *very* into it if you know what I mean. Some people might agrue that bloodmoon was in control and knew what was happening, but that’s not fully true. Bloodmoon had no idea ruin was into it, and was being manipulated, and seemed genuinely confused and disturbed when ruin liked the shocks.

On top of that, I’d like to bring up something killcode said back when he was considered bloodmoons fathers. In an episode, when talking to eclipse, he said something along the lines of “now allow me to speak with your *child* sibling” that being bloodmoon. Some people said that killcode was calling bloodmoo a child like he does eclipse, just in a fatherly way, but if that was the case, wouldn’t he say something like “allow me to speak with my other child”? That would make more sense. Meaning that bloodmoon is a child. At least compared to eclipse. Now maybe ruin made bloodmoon older when remaking him? But even then, that would still be very creepy- also baring in mind ruin and bloodmoon considered each other siblings.

[h-didanart]

Do it

Very well then

Let’s start with The Bastard

As you may see he’s drawn very shittily, this is because he doesn’t deserve to be drawn correctly, I even put less effort on his coloring. Also notable is the fact he’s missing an arm.

As for the dialogue chosen for him, it shows that he actually expected Bloodmoon to show up (and was smug about it), a bit odd considering the very badly drawn background showcasing the Destroyed Daycare but regardless—

Moving onto Bloodmoon, they carry a lot more implications within their appearance

For starters there’s the mismatched leg casing which you’ve already pointed out, signaling that something must’ve happened in order for them to need repairs that extensive

Their clothes are also very worth pointing out; canonically they wear black clothes that leave no room for their leg casing to show but here their clothes are all over the place, very colorful, very much not what they wear normally. They are wearing a tie dye (?) shirt, and pineapple shorts (with something red under that, their casing doesn’t look that red), the latter having been referenced in canon as something Bloody would’ve liked to wear, which Harvest absolutely refused to even consider, it really asks the question of how would the older convince their twin to wear this.

Speaking of, a small detail, very easy to miss. There’s only one spiral in their eyes. The right eye. It might not be stated outright in the au’s canon, but if you’ve seen any doodles I’ve dropped of the twins separated you might be able to recognize the right eye as Harvest’s eye. The one without a spiral is Bloody’s. It could stand to reason then that Harvest is currently in control of the body

Which raises the previous question even more. Why would Harvest agree to wear those clothes?

Also a thing I just noticed myself, they do not have “eyebags” which might not be stated as a thing they have in canon yet, but I have very consistently drawn them with those whenever I’ve posted any drawing of this Bloodmoon. Which means that they haven’t been crying//skipping sleep as much as their canon counterparts

The next thing to point out is the mace thing they have with themselves, they are very menacingly holding it, intending to hit The Bastard with it. It also looks suspiciously like an arm

Lastly we have the dialogue chosen for them, they are very much coming off as hostile here, expression matching their tone very well. They are extremely pissed off, not even giving off a hint of being uncomfortable, something the pre-memory update canon version couldn’t do when in The Bastard’s presence. Yet here they’re standing, ready to maul the Bastard to pieces, in clothes they did not show any interest in wearing before, in the middle of the Destroyed Daycare

Really makes you wonder what happened to separate them so much from the canon twins, doesn’t it?

[ikamigami]

I watched that episode where Sun hallucinated Old Moon and Bloodmoon once again.

(read warnings in tags)

You don't even know how I felt when I guessed almost every line hallucinations had said to Sun. And "guess" isn't even the best word to describe it. I just f-ing knew how Sun was feeling about himself deep down for a really long time.

And you may think that what I'm gonna say is a stretch or that I'm just imagining things. But in the parts where Sun tried to retort to his hallucinations with reason, for me it sounded as if he tried to convince himself that what he was saying is truth but deep down he believes that hallucinations are telling the truth. Just like Old Moon's hallucination said. And just like Bloodmoon's hallucination said they will always come back whenever Sun will doubt himself. And doubt won't ever end. Because that's not a normal doubt everyone face from time to time. After all Sun has freaking hallucinations!

I was dealing with really deep self-hatred. I had very low self-esteem and I was blaming myself for almost everything. I truly believed that I'm evil. But I at least didn't have hallucinations. So I can only imagine how much worse is this for Sun.

Because we shouldn't forget that Sun said that he wanted to be good for once. I think that the rationalising part of why Sun killed BM and that was all he could do then came from what Earth told Sun when she witnessed him hallucinating BM. I think that Sun would like for Earth to be right but I think that he really doesn't believe those words. He never tried hard enough to help, to fix things, to find another way. He only makes himself excuses. He fears that he really enjoyed the feel of rush, enjoyed killing Bloodmoon that's why he was repeating to himself that he didn't enjoy it, that he didn't like anything about all of it. For me it really sounded as if Sun was struggling to believe in his own words.

And before I jumped to what Sun said at the end of the episode, I'll get back to Old Moon's hallucination. Because his words about Sun "trying to help but failing" wasn't only about Sun destroying Moon's magic mana pool. It was about everything. About the times when they were still sharing the body and Sun tried to stop Moon from killing innocents. About the times when they separated and Sun tried to comfort Moon. When Sun tried to help to deal with Eclipse, Bloodmoon and Kill Code. But his help was only getting in the way, he was only making things worse.

But Sun retorted to Old Moon's hallucination. He knew that wasn't his Moon. Because his Moon loved him, cared about him. But Sun was asking himself why he saw Old Moon. This hallucination was new. I think it's because Sun is conflicted on his own feelings towards the Old Moon. Because he see how New Moon acts towards him. New Moon is different. He's kinder, nicer, more caring. But it doesn't mean that Old Moon didn't care, didn't love him, right?

But when Sun said that he loved Old Moon, he really did.. it really sounded as if he tried to convince himself there. And you must to understand that I'm not saying that Sun didn't love Moon, no. What I mean is that Sun deep down feels like he didn't truly love Moon if caused him so much pain and harm. Because who cause so much pain and harm to their loved ones? Definitely not someone who truly loves and cares about that person. That's how, I believe, Sun thinks. I really thinks that Sun feels like he's evil.. even though he might not grasp that fully yet. But feelings are really weird thing because you can feel them even if you don't know what are those feelings or why you feel them. And I think that Sun's feeling of being evil is so deeply rooted in him that it'll be hard to help him.

You may think that I'm projecting onto Sun my own issues but don't you think that's a little bit weird how many times I guessed what Sun thinks, how he feels about himself etc.? Because I think that would be a hella weird coincidence. And there's also this whole thing with Sun's hallucinations which ain't normal. Even for someone with PTSD. The most common hallucinations are the auditory ones (which I believe Old Moon was dealing with). And we know that Sun has depression which is often accompanied by low self-esteem and anxiety. Both things Sun has too. We also know that Sun is deeply traumatised by many things and pretty much from the beginning of his existence. He definitely has PTSD from all those killings Moon did in his body and then July 16th and all those things Eclipse did.

And I truly believe that when Sun killed Bloodmoon it triggered him and he had psychotic episode which effects he still feels. I really think that Sun has depressive psychosis which would explain many things including the most important thing - visual hallucinations. And also it may explain Sun's deeply rooted belief that he's evil. Because it's a part of his delusional belief. Which is something you can't do anything about. Depressive Psychosis can be treated but if it'll continue to go unnoticed then it'll be harder to help Sun. He won't be able to get better on his own. And the worst thing is that he won't say anything to others. (Same was for me, I never told anyone about my darkest thoughts and that I wanted to end it all. I only started opening up about those things when I got better!) He doesn't want to burden them and worry them even more than he already did.

And now let's talk about that line: "Sometimes I wish that I was dead" ooof... I knew that Sun was su*c*dal for quite some time.. (not that I projected that again but it's still weird that I was right again!) And when he said that Moon had a reset and doesn't have to deal with all this shit Sun has to deal with... It's very obvious that Sun is tired of everything. But most importantly I think that he doesn't want to constantly ruin everything. Even if this feeling is deep in his consciousness and his not fully aware of it, I believe that he would love to stop making things worse and ruining everything. And then Sun stopped himself from going further with those thoughts because he knows that he can't do that to Moon, to Earth, to others. He must to keep going. And I also believe that he doesn't want to die. That's why he expressed jealousy over Moon's losing his memories. Because it would be like a new life to Sun if he also could lose his own memories. Which is extremely sad if you think about it.

And I almost forgot about that part about family. Sun said to BM's hallucination that he would love to have another brother, someone he could play with etc. And oh boy, that was extremely sad, because I think this is what Sun wanted for the longest time from Old Moon.. and I also think that this part might be about Lunar. That's why I think that BM said that there will be other hallucinations because I think that Sun will hallucinate Lunar probably in the near future. (That's why I'm so scared of this whole Eclipse's plan with "false hope" jsbsksnsbks)

And another thing that I wanted to mention is that Sun's apology to Bloodmoon was genuine. He wished he could apologize to BM in person but he can't. I unfortunately think that Sun is far from getting better. Because he doesn't believe in himself. He doesn't believe that he's good.

[ikamigami]

why do you think sun left out the maternity chip problem from his recap of the channel's events? it was a major event why leave it out?

Okay. I think that Sun didn't say them everything...

I think that he left out things that are related to him and him alone. Even if incident with maternity chip was in fact big, it didn't affect the world of SAMS that much... beside Sun of course. You know, they were busy with other things happening to them at that time.

And I have to admit that before this episode came out I was thinking what Sun will tell them, how much he'd tell them, what he'll leave behind. Because in no way Sun would (and I don't mean that he wouldn't tell them everything on the span of two hours) tell them things which would expose his feelings or things that are related too deeply to him because he probably was thinking that it doesn't matter that much if at all...

I even doubt that Sun told Moon about hallucinations! Because it doesn't matter in such dire situation. He probably talked about some of the things strictly matter-of-factly. Nothing less, nothing more. There is no time for his stupid little feelings to interrupt him. They needed to know most important things so Sun delivered it as quickly as possible.

I had a feeling that Sun wouldn't be wasting everyone's time with his sappy stories (I mean that I think this is how Sun perceive his own emotions which accompanied him throughout the events of his life; Sun didn't want to make himself a centre of the events that happened to them). I'm glad that showrunners are paying attention to such little details. I mean they're consistent with writing Sun's character (at least). Which makes me happy! :)

Sun still has poor mental state... He needs a lot of time to get better.

I hope that this answer satisfies you, anon! 🙇‍♀️

[h-didanart]

Even without having watched the episode referred to yet, I am not surprised about Monty and Foxy’s attitude. Everyone in these damn stories is morally grey in ways that sometimes feel really bad.

Tho there’s also the fact we the audience get to see everyone’s point of view, so we get to see every character’s sides. Hence we get pissed when the protagonists hate the serial killer that in their eyes wants nothing but murder while in our eyes has been constantly manipulated by everyone around them to the point they already see the betrayal coming (and doesn’t know how to deal with the loss of the one person who cared for him that isn’t violence (since that’s all he knows))

Not excusing anyone’s actions, just explaining them from the narrative and characterization standpoint is all (so please don’t yell at me -.-)

Summary, uh, feel how you feel, #BloodyDeservedBetter?

Literally hating foxy & Monty in that video at 19:20

"He wants revenge cause I killed his brother supposedly" -Monty (not exactly but it's what I remember)

"He wants to kill something that's all he ever wants. He's nothing special" - Foxy

1. You did. You may have not been the reason he was dying but you snapped his neck and later showed you doing that to his brother MULTIPLE TIMES, WHILE TAUNTING HIM "you gonna cry?"

2. This isn't just him WANTING to kill, he wants to avenge his brother, he may not have the right target for it but Monty is who he believes is the (thanks to him and puppet showing him that clip) since he believes Stichwraith is dead.

I seriously hate when the 'good guy's' do this, they taunt the 'bad guy's' and other stuff and think 'why are they so awful?'

I DON'T KNOW, maybe because everyone they've came into contact with ENABLED them

Lunar, Kc, Ruin, Rodrick(the creator), Stitchwraith, and even Monty & Foxy (before he ran off they said they planned to use him)

[ikamigami]

I honestly agree with you. I still like Lunar. But some of his fans are really make it hard to like him.

Yeah, Lunar isn't a kid. And he doesn't even have a mindset of a kid. It's all an act or partially but it's still not exactly who he really is. He said that himself. He acts like a kid, sweet dumb boy because he knows that people like that in him.

I think that he hide behind mask of a kid also because he doesn't want to confront reality. In some way he got that confrontation with Sun in their fight. And to be honest I didn't like that Lunar seemed to be so judging only towards Sun beside Eclipse. Which begs a question. Has Lunar even liked Sun? Or maybe more accurately. Has Lunar even trusted Sun? Watching their fight scene we could clearly say no. He didn't trust Sun. Because why he never said the truth about July 16th? Or why he never said anything about how Eclipse really treated him? If Lunar told Sun any of those things before it'll definitely fuelled his anger at Eclipse. But what if.. it would change his desperate plans to kill Eclipse alone? Because imagine how Sun could feel when killing Bloodmoon if he knew that BM was the one who killed those kids on July 16th? If he knew what happened maybe things would take a different route. But we don't know. And we won't be able to find out.

But it reminded me of another important thing. Moon also didn't know who really was behind July 16th. Because Lunar didn't say that to him either.

Another thing I didn't like in Lunar and Sun's fight was what Lunar said to Sun that "I know how Moon feels after killing, that he regrets it because I was in his head" or something like that because I don't remember exactly. But it was heavily implied that Sun doesn't know that Moon didn't like to kill because he doesn't know Moon that much. Which is completely untrue. Because Sun doesn't have to know Moon's thoughts to know that his brother didn't like killing or more specifically Sun definitely knew that Moon didn't like killing innocents. Because you don't have to know one's thoughts to know how they feel about something. You only need empathy. Which Sun has a lot of it.

Like I said Lunar literally jumped on Sun in that fight. It was very awful to bring any of those things Lunar had said because it was unfair. Lunar had many chances to talk to Sun normally and yet he never do that. Heck, he even said to Sun that it's okay for him to show some anger. But the first moment Sun shows it, Lunar says that he acts like Eclipse. Does it seem fair to you?

I think that Lunar never trusted Sun. There is also that one thing. For me it seems that Lunar can manipulate others as much as Eclipse (I'm not saying they're the same btw). With his cutesy, kiddie act he can achieve whatever he wants. He knows that and he's doing exactly that. Lunar's line about never being suspected as a traitor because he's cute (in Among us game; it was in episode where Moon looked for Eclipse's backups in Chinatown) always stood out to me. It had that weirdly ominous aura to it. I don't know even why he said that then?

I think that there is still more to Lunar. But what exactly? It's really hard to tell for now. And I think we'll find out now, when Lunar will get brought back to life.

Sorry for the long comment @justarandomsanenobody

I’ll be honest I think I’m the only one who literally just does not like Lunar whatsoever I mean, I used to like Lunar. But the fandom ruined them for me. It’s always “poor bean!!!” “Lunar’s just a kid he doesn’t deserve this!” “He’s got trauma!” Lunar ain’t even a kid 😭 It’s just annoying tbh, the second anything remotely bad happens to Lunar, everyone takes their side. Like when Sun yelled at Lunar, suddenly Sun’s the bad guy. I’m sorry but what would you do if you were told you were acting like someone who really hurt you and many of your loved ones? heck I even see people sympathizing over evil lunar. The guy doesn’t want to be saved, that’s his fault. Don’t need people sympathizing over them.

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I do believe taking into account Bloodmoon’s trauma when looking at their last arcs is important to understand where they come from with their actions. They were just tired of the constant betrayals, they just wanted to be left alone. And then the separation happened and… well, I think we all know what happened after that

Boy does the narrative hate them

y’all someone needs to ban me from this channel ISTG I just got SO HEATED with someone in a comment section for saying Monty and Puppet are in the right for mocking BloodMoons’ brothers death💀

here’s my comment if y’all were curious. (People who are easily upset/affected by BM’s trauma DO NOT READ FURTHER. I went feral💀🙏)

“You do NOT. want to start this fight. Ahem.”

“FIRST OFF, no one fucking deserves to have a serious loss in their life mocked. I don’t care what they’ve done, if Monty and Puppet want to be any better than BloodMoon, they wouldn’t stoop to his level.”

“SECOND, the murderer part? Have you just COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN that they have a programmed bloodlust they CAN’T GET RID OF? Eclipse programmed them to kill, it’s all they’ve ever known. OF COURSE THEY’RE GOING TO KILL PEOPLE IF IT’S THE ONLY THING THEY KNOW.”

“THIRD, I know you didn’t mention it, but they weren’t “incapable of redemption”, when they were staying with Foxy and FC, (sure they had a bomb in their head, but) they were the most “tame” and calm we’d ever seen. Still snarky and making threats left and right, but they accepted the infinitely-bouncing-chicken and played with it for a while, they mostly just sat in silence when they weren’t being bothered, and if I remember correctly- FC and BloodMoon ended up sparring or something, or it was atleast mentioned that FC wanted to spar with them-“

“FOURTH, EVERYONE THEY’VE EVER TRUSTED, BETRAYED OR HURT THEM. Eclipse, their original creator, already betrayed them by forcing an inescapable Lust for blood on them. Lunar, Lunar was using them to get rid of Eclipse, and inevitably abandoned them. Eclipse AGAIN, not only did he MAKE THEM INTO a backup for himself, and forced his way into their minds, but he also MADE THEM go back to the Pizzaplex when they were perfectly happy on the streets killin’ hobos like TrashMan. KillCode, he claimed to be their father, but did he ever really act like it? Sure he gave them advice and blood, but what else did he do for them? Because from what I remember, it sure wasn’t much. Ruin, Ruin rebuilt them after dying to Sun, and SPECIFICALLY PROGRAMMED them to NEED someone to control them, Ruin claimed to care about them, promised their body had nothing strange about it, but when talking to Solar, BloodMoon was informed of a secret, hidden weak point in their casing, which they VERY MUCH were not happy with. Solar, before they even agreed to help him get back Sun and Moon and defeat Ruin, they had a panic attack because they were afraid they’d be tricked and used again- WHICH HEY GUESS WHAT? IT HAPPENED AGAIN JUST LIKE THEY FEARED, Solar promised them they could go free as long as they didn’t go after the Celestial family, or their friends, which up until Solar said he wanted to KILL THEM, they were listening to! They were back out on the town, killing people like the first time they ran away from someone that claimed could be trusted, (The one before having been Lunar) and they only decided to attack any of the family AFTER Solar said he wanted to kill them. (Not including Lunar, that was before the deal with Solar) Rotaerc/Rodrick, creator in disguise, also just using them as a weapon. StitchWraith, literally threatened to separate them and show them what “True loneliness” felt like or some shit. Monty and Foxy, sure they didn’t TRUST those two, but they were still used. Everyone they’ve ever trusted, has used them, betrayed their trust, or hurt them.”

“SPEAKING OF ECLIPSE AGAIN, WHEN STITCHWRAITH SAID SOMETHING THAT REMINDED THEM OF ECLIPSE, THEY HAD A REACTION I CAN ONLY DESCRIBE AS TRAUMATIZED, AT THE THOUGHT OF BEING STUCK WITH SOMEONE LIKE ECLIPSE AGAIN.”

“MAY I ALSO MENTION THAT IN THE EPISODE WITH A REAL BLOOD MOON IN THE SKY, THEY MENTION THAT THEY DON’T LIKE HAVING THIS BLOODLUST? WHEN THEY DON’T CONSUME/SPILL BLOOD, IT’S ALMOST LIKE THE SYMPTOMS OF A SUBSTANCE WITHDRAWAL, WHICH ARE PAINFUL AS HELL.”

“Sorry for the Essay, but I’m 100% willing to go OFF on anyone who just completely disregards that the twins had trauma too. All the villains except maybe Creator, have their own traumas, and I’m sick and tired of everyone ignoring that.”

Y’ALL SOMEONE GET ME AWAY FROM THIS CHANNEL BEFORE I LITERALLY ATTACK SOMEONE AHDHHDHDHFCH /hj

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OH AND ONE MORE THING

the other thing that i noticed was that they went for lunar over earth., which. i get them not wanting to let lunar get away and go get help. but. bloodmoon is not one to turn down a challenge i think. and they are DEFINITELY not one to doubt their own abilities. ESPECIALLY not when earth was ACTIVELY threatening to use her security protocols against them. so the fact that they actively decided to go after lunar (the smaller and quote unquote “weaker” of the two) rather than fighting earth one-on-one stuck out to me.

they never had a moment pre-ruin where they were selective in deciding who they wanted to kill. someone could twice their own size or half of it, and they never considered age or any form of perceived strength as a factor either. they just saw. and killed. indiscriminately. they also never worried about witnesses, or the possibility of someone they went after getting away. possibly because they never saw a chance of it happening in the first place.

basically my analysis is that pre-ruin bloodmoon was quick to action, and even quicker to kill. regardless of any size or strength their victims could have. there also were only a select few occasions where they didn’t kill (or at least try to attack) on sight. and they never expressed any concern of their costume possibly getting away, or getting help. they didn’t fear anything. and they especially didn’t fear dying.

i definitely think this could all very likely be due to influence of ruin. but. i also think it’s very possible that it’s not just ruin’s influence that’s affecting their behavior. they know that they died. they know that they can die. and i think it’s very likely that this is affecting their thoughts and actions now as well.

and that’s basically all my thoughts., sorry for the long-winded ramble that this turned into., sfhsbfjdbd

thanks for sticking around if you got this far though, i appreciate it :] hopefully it wasn’t too incoherent lol

THAT IS NOT MY BLOODMOON WTF…