#ryo expies

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Woe, MS paint diagram of the retroactive Komaedification of N be upon ye

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Adding onto this because I have so much goddamn useless info on this topic but my friends & I have a theory that victuuri are derivative of the BL/shojou line of ryoakira progeny:

Ryoakira → gilserge (kazeki) → debatably asheiji (banana fish) → victuuri

This isn't solid proof of any of this but Kubo-sensei has posted kazeki fanart before, so it's not a huge stretch to think that they're part of what led to the similar tropes we see in victuuri. Ryoakira (great?) grandchildren, possibly

(To clarify, asheiji are definitely gilserge expies, but the debatable part is whether they had any impact on yoi. I wanna say yes but ?? This is not my branch of expertise in this)

I personally don't think Komaeda is the most obvious beat-for-beat Kaworu (there are a variety of really blatant ones, but afaik Akise Aru (mirai nikki) is winning that race) because he has pretty clear personality and character tone differences. Imo this is because Komaeda also pulls from Joshua Kiryuu (twewy) and possibly Ryou Bakura (ygo). The Kaworu is very strong in him (even to the point of even having "I thought I was born to meet you" in one character song lmao), but I think he's more similar to Joshua after the ch1 trial reveal. A bunch of their sprite poses even match (source):

I wrote a bunch on it here if you're interested, but this is the gist of it:

I swear to god every anime ship that has hit me hard since 15 is just like assorted flavours of ryoakira

ok so hear me out

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Even more pressing question is death the wolf a Ryo Devilman expy?

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Actually like the funniest thing I've said about this series as my friend showed it to me was to call Luka a Ryo Devilman expy to then watch the video and go "OH MY GOD HE'S A WHORE!!!!!"

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Hi. If you ever watched madoka magika/are familiar with madoka magika, what is your opinion in the mirrored connections between homura and griffith?

Ah, sorry I've never seen it and I know very little about it. I know that Homura has been called a Ryo expy lol, so they probably both got that gay betrayal thing going on, but other than that I'm afraid I got nothing.

Thanks for asking anyway, sorry to disappoint!

[rivalcobalt]

(Disclaimer that I haven't dug into Togashi's interviews for this or anything)

I personally think of him as not a Ryo expy in the sense of direct lines of parentage, but he's definitely derived of the trope in shounen that spawned from the friend side of Ryo if that makes sense? Like, the undeniable expies are usually a lot more clearly inspired by Ryo himself or another expy, but while I don't know of any ones that I can feel certain specifically inspired Killua, he gets the checkmarks for white haired anime boy, deuteragonist, pretty gay for the protagonist who is also his best friend, fucked up family trauma, more reserved personality than protagonist, cool/skilled/mostly confident/etc and whatnot. Togashi really likes to play with shounen tropes in hxh, so I always saw him and Gon as more constructed out of the wider tropes, I guess. Yu Yu Hakusho is also on the hand poster so he definitely has been impacted by the series directly too though, take that as you will. He doesn't switch between friendly and antagonistic or have clear angel motifs (some of the most signature traits for these guys), but he's not the only one who doesn't

Tl;dr I would lean towards yes but I wouldn't know where to put him on an influence map

hello friends. is killua considered a so-called ryou expy

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It's gonna be so awesome when I become one of those writers whose love of martial arts and anime shine through everything I make. College kids are going to have drinking games devoted to every time I make a trans guy that's just a Ryo Suzuki expy, lol.

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tagged by @solcarow for 10 fandoms/10 characters! no tags tho. unfortunately im a protagluvr so this list isnt anything exciting lol

1) persona: souji but not yu. soujis love of cats, bowlcut, and domestic charms got me

2) orv: HAN SOOYOUNG!! PROTAG IN MY HEART

3) ace attorney: apollo. normalest guy ever

4) natsuyuu: natsume. he deserves everything his heart desires and then more

5) tales: yuri lowell. he not only kills people, he murders them. got stabbed and tossed off the side of a tower into the ocean by the woman who fancied herself his rival in love and he just let her have that victory.

6) kingdom hearts: aqua. the best strongest most beautiful and talented keyblade master

7) twewy: joshy. babys first ryo asuka expy

im running out of fandoms uhhh

8) persona again: akihiko. reverse white-haired anime boy

9) akagami no shirayukihime: obi. who else gets to confess his undying love and loyalty for the prince and the fantasy pharmacist at the same

10) doctor who. donna noble. im in love with her

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I actually do not have the desire to watch NGE at all, but at some point I feel like I should just to see where all the kaworu expies came from (kaworu himself is a ryo asuka expy iirc). like reading a history lesson, or looking up the character archetype family tree

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Oh just realized replies are turned off so editing my RB instead. Have you seen this

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Wow both ibuprofen and ryoakira in one page

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OHHH ryo expyism is my field of study. ok. yes. what i believe is that a vital part of the history of ryo expies is understanding that, while there are many direct descendants, a pretty important branch is being one thru kaworu nagisa, who is a direct expy of ryo but arguably inspired as many expies of himself as ryo did.

i then suspect killua to be an offshoot of kaworu, so a 2nd gen expy. they follow the dark haired protag/light haired (gay) bestie formula. it is maybe also important to mention though that the likelihood of togashi having read devilman is supremely high since the manga was incredibly big in japan, and because devilman's influences on shounen in general but esp on yu yu hakusho and the CAA cannot be overstated.

YEAHHH YES OK THIS IS EXACTLY THE RESPONSE I WAS LOOKING FOR!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!

[feminariden]

Here how darkshipping can still win

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a couple ballpoint doodles i did while traveling of tiefling!akira from a fun little 5e mini-campaign i’m in! a friend and i made thinly-vieled ryokira expies and tried to see how long it would take our dm to notice lmao

[faremis]

Coming to the grim realization that my all-star ryo asuka spawned the apocalyptic heel-turning gay anime villain trope

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Tokyo Mew Mew New Analysis

I need to start this off by saying, Mew Mew Power was my Sailor Moon. Learning that actually came from Japan and watching it subbed on Youtube in 6 parts (anyone remember that? Boy what a time that was) is what introduced me to anime and magical girls. I am *insanely* nostalgic for Tokyo Mew Mew. It was my first manga, owned all the volumes. Then I watched Cardcaptor Sakura tried Sailor Moon again found more obscure magical girls (anyone know Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne? Mermaid Melody?) So when news of this remake came I was cautiously excited, I saw the Sailor Moon crystal fiasco but hey if it sucks I always have the og to go back to.

Now keep in mind season 2 could completely miss the mark and it’s not fully done but as of now, Tokyo Mew Mew New not only defied my expectations but I have no need to ever go back and watch the original again.

From someone as nostalgic as me that is some damn high praise

This girl?

Is the better Ichigo. Making the pink haired one feel like a different version at this point

-Let’s stat with her. I’m going to admit, I liked Ichigo for her design she was cute was a cat (I love cats) and I rooted for her. She was pretty shallow though, always surprising for a show about the environment how little she cared for it. I’m all about that development but her relationship with Masaya never felt earned to me, she clearly didn't’ even care about his interests just thought he was cute she even says that at one point. But hey, my girl liked Masaya I’ll root for them, I support you Ichigo! She did eventually grow but with all the monsters of the day and original stuff thrown in the pacing didn’t feel right for her growth and it was so subtle you could miss it. So to me she was cute and fun to watch but it never went past there.

In New she was more honest right from the start and actually...seems curious about his interests she mentioned she wanted to find her purpose and it all culminates in episode 11, where she looks back on her life so far. She did find her purpose now, she wants to protect the environment she loves being a Mew Mew! She loves her friends, she loves Masaya and she wants to protect this planet it’s now of great importance to her. Better development in 11 episodes than a whole 52 episode season and that’s impressive. She’s no longer a Sailor Moon expy which to be honest after I watched Sailor moon I totally got all the comparisons, she’s the best version of her character yet.

-Masaya. I uh never cared about him in the original, I liked him with Ichigo because she liked him never went deeper than that. He was bland always there to give advice kind of perfect not as interesting as Ryo (hated him with Ichigo though lol) but the antithesis to Kish until...it we got Deep Blue it all clicked. But they did not do it well, I will defend him but in the original anime yes he was boring. He was better in the manga but the manga wasn’t a pretty moving picture so the anime version is what stuck with me.

In New? My god what a good character. He’s stilted, He has no idea how to deal with his feelings, he’s not the advice giver anymore he just let’s Ichigo feel, instead he dumps cat facts and environmental facts because Ichigo listens to him and wants to know more, he’s comfortable around her (and it appears only her) he’s smart, I’m pretty sure he figured out early she’s a Mew Mew and lets her be until she’s ready to tell him. He’s not perfect the bell thing was odd yes, he’s odd but he’s also super sweet, shows emotion and found something else he cares about as much as the environment and while Deep Blue was shocking in the original I had no feelings about it. It’s absolutely and utterly going to break me here. I love and care about both Ichigo and Masaya this go. I have become a true ichisaya shipper (before it was my girl likes him best so I do too) and he’s become my second favorite. I hope Ikumi is smiling down from heaven because I get the feeling the anime team did not like him.

-Mint! In the OG anime she was a snobby rich girl stereotype that most magical girls have. In New while she still has shades of that she feels reworked for the better, just like Ichigo. She’s still I need my afternoon tea do not disturb me, but her relationship with Zakuro is better it feels more equal she’s the reason Zakuro decided to join because she saw Zakuro for who she is, she wants to grow and struggles with her big decision the culmination of “I don’t have to do it” like Ichigo’s arc of her finding her purpose; and ends with her finding the Mew Aqua saving Tokyo. I also love how she was actually the first one and not needing to be recruited like the OG anime it speaks to her character who is always wanting to be at her best and be someone to rely on. As someone who didn’t care much for Mint in the OG I’m very curious on her growth and quite enjoy her in this one.

-Lettuce feels more than the shy girl magical girl stereotype too now. She is coming into her own, can use her powers outside of her Mew form, reading the Aqua was really cool and her bond with Pudding’s brother was really cute. I also think her bond with Ryu feels a lot more natural than him picking on Ichigo all the time so hey might actually like this ship this go we’ll see

-I don’t have much to say on the others except Zakuro and Mint feel more equal and I really hope they canonize it this go, it again feels completely natural and they keep paralleling it with Ichisaya sooo. Pudding is pudding. Still excitable and cute I don’t see many differences but I always felt she was the most under utilized anyway.

There are of course things done better in the original though, it’s just I *personally* don’t care about them as much. I bet others do which is why they prefer the original and they’re valid as long as they don’t call New a vapid cash grab because boy if you think this is a vapid cash grab you don’t actually know what that is.

-Ryo. He’s just kind of...here. I’m sure he’ll do more in season 2 but at this point his purpose feels like it’s to force a love triangle. Ryo is such a better character when Ichigo isn’t involved and I understand some people love that trope but when the end game is that obvious eh. I’m still annoyed he knew what was going on with Ichigo and didn’t tell anyone, little shit. I look forward to his backstory in season 2 because that’s when he became interesting to me

Side note! back in 02 days Kish and Ichigo shippers were the most annoying and I don’t know why but it flipped here, The amount of Ryo and Ichigo shippers I had to block for bashing New and Masaya FANS over the character...kind of proves my point about if this is something you liked of course you’ll prefer the original. Stop attacking people, you aren’t 12 anymore :/

-Kish and the aliens are also very underused right now. But again I never cared about them, in fact I hated Kish back in the day lol, little consent problems creep. It might be because I’m seeing less of him which is why I didn’t put this in the positive section but I like him more in this one. He has some issues he has to work out but when he’s not antagonizing Ichigo and is a mean little gremlin he’s really fun. Also Kish fans I’m sorry about all the hate you see about your ship and boy in the tag, I may not ship it, but I respect you for putting up with it in a mature way. I’m assuming again in S2 it’ll pick up and they alien arc will get going, we know Deep Blue is coming after all (might mean I’ll dislike Kish again too we’ll have to see)

-Cat Super Girls isn’t as good as My Sweet Heart. That’s a high bar to pass though so I’ll let it slide. I hope season 2 has a new op and ending!

-Where is the MERCH?! I want plushes!!! The figure is a good start but the og had so much where is the MERCH I’LL PAY COME ON

All and all yes. New is better. The original wanted to be Animal Sailor Moon, giving only Ichigo the powerups for example? Having her go around and recruit everyone? I’m glad New followed the manga. I read Ikumi worked on this one and boy can you tell. The stuff that has been enhanced is something she passionately probably cared about and I think it shows and well.

Final note oh my god the My Sweet Heart cover. The full version is a true love letter and you could call it blatant nostalgia pandering but going from a slow version to the original tempo is creative and shows, in my personal opinion this is not a nostalgia grab like Sailor Moon Crystal. If it was it’d just be a bland cover. I fact I feel like this show saw Sailor Moon Crystal and said let’s not do that. This is a true love letter to Ikumi’s series and now a tribute to her so don’t screw it up season 2