#ryo expies

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Woe, MS paint diagram of the retroactive Komaedification of N be upon ye

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Adding onto this because I have so much goddamn useless info on this topic but my friends & I have a theory that victuuri are derivative of the BL/shojou line of ryoakira progeny:

Ryoakira → gilserge (kazeki) → debatably asheiji (banana fish) → victuuri

This isn't solid proof of any of this but Kubo-sensei has posted kazeki fanart before, so it's not a huge stretch to think that they're part of what led to the similar tropes we see in victuuri. Ryoakira (great?) grandchildren, possibly

(To clarify, asheiji are definitely gilserge expies, but the debatable part is whether they had any impact on yoi. I wanna say yes but ?? This is not my branch of expertise in this)

I personally don't think Komaeda is the most obvious beat-for-beat Kaworu (there are a variety of really blatant ones, but afaik Akise Aru (mirai nikki) is winning that race) because he has pretty clear personality and character tone differences. Imo this is because Komaeda also pulls from Joshua Kiryuu (twewy) and possibly Ryou Bakura (ygo). The Kaworu is very strong in him (even to the point of even having "I thought I was born to meet you" in one character song lmao), but I think he's more similar to Joshua after the ch1 trial reveal. A bunch of their sprite poses even match (source):

I wrote a bunch on it here if you're interested, but this is the gist of it:

I swear to god every anime ship that has hit me hard since 15 is just like assorted flavours of ryoakira

ok so hear me out

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Even more pressing question is death the wolf a Ryo Devilman expy?

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Actually like the funniest thing I've said about this series as my friend showed it to me was to call Luka a Ryo Devilman expy to then watch the video and go "OH MY GOD HE'S A WHORE!!!!!"

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Hi. If you ever watched madoka magika/are familiar with madoka magika, what is your opinion in the mirrored connections between homura and griffith?

Ah, sorry I've never seen it and I know very little about it. I know that Homura has been called a Ryo expy lol, so they probably both got that gay betrayal thing going on, but other than that I'm afraid I got nothing.

Thanks for asking anyway, sorry to disappoint!

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(Disclaimer that I haven't dug into Togashi's interviews for this or anything)

I personally think of him as not a Ryo expy in the sense of direct lines of parentage, but he's definitely derived of the trope in shounen that spawned from the friend side of Ryo if that makes sense? Like, the undeniable expies are usually a lot more clearly inspired by Ryo himself or another expy, but while I don't know of any ones that I can feel certain specifically inspired Killua, he gets the checkmarks for white haired anime boy, deuteragonist, pretty gay for the protagonist who is also his best friend, fucked up family trauma, more reserved personality than protagonist, cool/skilled/mostly confident/etc and whatnot. Togashi really likes to play with shounen tropes in hxh, so I always saw him and Gon as more constructed out of the wider tropes, I guess. Yu Yu Hakusho is also on the hand poster so he definitely has been impacted by the series directly too though, take that as you will. He doesn't switch between friendly and antagonistic or have clear angel motifs (some of the most signature traits for these guys), but he's not the only one who doesn't

Tl;dr I would lean towards yes but I wouldn't know where to put him on an influence map

hello friends. is killua considered a so-called ryou expy

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It's gonna be so awesome when I become one of those writers whose love of martial arts and anime shine through everything I make. College kids are going to have drinking games devoted to every time I make a trans guy that's just a Ryo Suzuki expy, lol.

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Here how darkshipping can still win

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Wow both ibuprofen and ryoakira in one page

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Oh just realized replies are turned off so editing my RB instead. Have you seen this

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a couple ballpoint doodles i did while traveling of tiefling!akira from a fun little 5e mini-campaign i’m in! a friend and i made thinly-vieled ryokira expies and tried to see how long it would take our dm to notice lmao

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OHHH ryo expyism is my field of study. ok. yes. what i believe is that a vital part of the history of ryo expies is understanding that, while there are many direct descendants, a pretty important branch is being one thru kaworu nagisa, who is a direct expy of ryo but arguably inspired as many expies of himself as ryo did.

i then suspect killua to be an offshoot of kaworu, so a 2nd gen expy. they follow the dark haired protag/light haired (gay) bestie formula. it is maybe also important to mention though that the likelihood of togashi having read devilman is supremely high since the manga was incredibly big in japan, and because devilman's influences on shounen in general but esp on yu yu hakusho and the CAA cannot be overstated.

YEAHHH YES OK THIS IS EXACTLY THE RESPONSE I WAS LOOKING FOR!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!

[faremis]

Coming to the grim realization that my all-star ryo asuka spawned the apocalyptic heel-turning gay anime villain trope

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Tokyo Mew Mew New Analysis

I need to start this off by saying, Mew Mew Power was my Sailor Moon. Learning that actually came from Japan and watching it subbed on Youtube in 6 parts (anyone remember that? Boy what a time that was) is what introduced me to anime and magical girls. I am *insanely* nostalgic for Tokyo Mew Mew. It was my first manga, owned all the volumes. Then I watched Cardcaptor Sakura tried Sailor Moon again found more obscure magical girls (anyone know Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne? Mermaid Melody?) So when news of this remake came I was cautiously excited, I saw the Sailor Moon crystal fiasco but hey if it sucks I always have the og to go back to.

Now keep in mind season 2 could completely miss the mark and it’s not fully done but as of now, Tokyo Mew Mew New not only defied my expectations but I have no need to ever go back and watch the original again.

From someone as nostalgic as me that is some damn high praise

This girl?

Is the better Ichigo. Making the pink haired one feel like a different version at this point

-Let’s stat with her. I’m going to admit, I liked Ichigo for her design she was cute was a cat (I love cats) and I rooted for her. She was pretty shallow though, always surprising for a show about the environment how little she cared for it. I’m all about that development but her relationship with Masaya never felt earned to me, she clearly didn't’ even care about his interests just thought he was cute she even says that at one point. But hey, my girl liked Masaya I’ll root for them, I support you Ichigo! She did eventually grow but with all the monsters of the day and original stuff thrown in the pacing didn’t feel right for her growth and it was so subtle you could miss it. So to me she was cute and fun to watch but it never went past there.

In New she was more honest right from the start and actually...seems curious about his interests she mentioned she wanted to find her purpose and it all culminates in episode 11, where she looks back on her life so far. She did find her purpose now, she wants to protect the environment she loves being a Mew Mew! She loves her friends, she loves Masaya and she wants to protect this planet it’s now of great importance to her. Better development in 11 episodes than a whole 52 episode season and that’s impressive. She’s no longer a Sailor Moon expy which to be honest after I watched Sailor moon I totally got all the comparisons, she’s the best version of her character yet.

-Masaya. I uh never cared about him in the original, I liked him with Ichigo because she liked him never went deeper than that. He was bland always there to give advice kind of perfect not as interesting as Ryo (hated him with Ichigo though lol) but the antithesis to Kish until...it we got Deep Blue it all clicked. But they did not do it well, I will defend him but in the original anime yes he was boring. He was better in the manga but the manga wasn’t a pretty moving picture so the anime version is what stuck with me.

In New? My god what a good character. He’s stilted, He has no idea how to deal with his feelings, he’s not the advice giver anymore he just let’s Ichigo feel, instead he dumps cat facts and environmental facts because Ichigo listens to him and wants to know more, he’s comfortable around her (and it appears only her) he’s smart, I’m pretty sure he figured out early she’s a Mew Mew and lets her be until she’s ready to tell him. He’s not perfect the bell thing was odd yes, he’s odd but he’s also super sweet, shows emotion and found something else he cares about as much as the environment and while Deep Blue was shocking in the original I had no feelings about it. It’s absolutely and utterly going to break me here. I love and care about both Ichigo and Masaya this go. I have become a true ichisaya shipper (before it was my girl likes him best so I do too) and he’s become my second favorite. I hope Ikumi is smiling down from heaven because I get the feeling the anime team did not like him.

-Mint! In the OG anime she was a snobby rich girl stereotype that most magical girls have. In New while she still has shades of that she feels reworked for the better, just like Ichigo. She’s still I need my afternoon tea do not disturb me, but her relationship with Zakuro is better it feels more equal she’s the reason Zakuro decided to join because she saw Zakuro for who she is, she wants to grow and struggles with her big decision the culmination of ���I don’t have to do it” like Ichigo’s arc of her finding her purpose; and ends with her finding the Mew Aqua saving Tokyo. I also love how she was actually the first one and not needing to be recruited like the OG anime it speaks to her character who is always wanting to be at her best and be someone to rely on. As someone who didn’t care much for Mint in the OG I’m very curious on her growth and quite enjoy her in this one.

-Lettuce feels more than the shy girl magical girl stereotype too now. She is coming into her own, can use her powers outside of her Mew form, reading the Aqua was really cool and her bond with Pudding’s brother was really cute. I also think her bond with Ryu feels a lot more natural than him picking on Ichigo all the time so hey might actually like this ship this go we’ll see

-I don’t have much to say on the others except Zakuro and Mint feel more equal and I really hope they canonize it this go, it again feels completely natural and they keep paralleling it with Ichisaya sooo. Pudding is pudding. Still excitable and cute I don’t see many differences but I always felt she was the most under utilized anyway.

There are of course things done better in the original though, it’s just I *personally* don’t care about them as much. I bet others do which is why they prefer the original and they’re valid as long as they don’t call New a vapid cash grab because boy if you think this is a vapid cash grab you don’t actually know what that is.

-Ryo. He’s just kind of...here. I’m sure he’ll do more in season 2 but at this point his purpose feels like it’s to force a love triangle. Ryo is such a better character when Ichigo isn’t involved and I understand some people love that trope but when the end game is that obvious eh. I’m still annoyed he knew what was going on with Ichigo and didn’t tell anyone, little shit. I look forward to his backstory in season 2 because that’s when he became interesting to me

Side note! back in 02 days Kish and Ichigo shippers were the most annoying and I don’t know why but it flipped here, The amount of Ryo and Ichigo shippers I had to block for bashing New and Masaya FANS over the character...kind of proves my point about if this is something you liked of course you’ll prefer the original. Stop attacking people, you aren’t 12 anymore :/

-Kish and the aliens are also very underused right now. But again I never cared about them, in fact I hated Kish back in the day lol, little consent problems creep. It might be because I’m seeing less of him which is why I didn’t put this in the positive section but I like him more in this one. He has some issues he has to work out but when he’s not antagonizing Ichigo and is a mean little gremlin he’s really fun. Also Kish fans I’m sorry about all the hate you see about your ship and boy in the tag, I may not ship it, but I respect you for putting up with it in a mature way. I’m assuming again in S2 it’ll pick up and they alien arc will get going, we know Deep Blue is coming after all (might mean I’ll dislike Kish again too we’ll have to see)

-Cat Super Girls isn’t as good as My Sweet Heart. That’s a high bar to pass though so I’ll let it slide. I hope season 2 has a new op and ending!

-Where is the MERCH?! I want plushes!!! The figure is a good start but the og had so much where is the MERCH I’LL PAY COME ON

All and all yes. New is better. The original wanted to be Animal Sailor Moon, giving only Ichigo the powerups for example? Having her go around and recruit everyone? I’m glad New followed the manga. I read Ikumi worked on this one and boy can you tell. The stuff that has been enhanced is something she passionately probably cared about and I think it shows and well.

Final note oh my god the My Sweet Heart cover. The full version is a true love letter and you could call it blatant nostalgia pandering but going from a slow version to the original tempo is creative and shows, in my personal opinion this is not a nostalgia grab like Sailor Moon Crystal. If it was it’d just be a bland cover. I fact I feel like this show saw Sailor Moon Crystal and said let’s not do that. This is a true love letter to Ikumi’s series and now a tribute to her so don’t screw it up season 2

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let me talk to you about ✨ darius ✨

immortal demon-expy who wields chaos magic

mad scientist that crossbreeds monsters by infecting people with said chaos magic and harvesting their bone marrow to create mutants from it

an indisputably bad person but he does it very well

intelligent, manipulative and suave af. will vivisect you for kicks but never let it be said he was ever an impolite houseguest

has a tragic backstory complete with power-hungry bastard angst, abandonment issues galore from an absentee mother who nearly offered up for a ritual sacrifice and an abusive daddy

deeply resentful of his trueborn brother and thinks himself entitled to everything he has (and will not stop until he gets it)

chessmaster mastermind moving all his pieces about the board. has one (1) achilles heel in the form of the love of his life, who it would benefit him not to love at all

he's mired in tragedy from beginning to end

...i think that's the gist of it

congrats on the milestone 💖

Darius 😍

Hmmm...who would get along with Darius...*taps chin*. I'm in the middle of finding a new name for Aerdassa and have tentatively settled on Siana.

I'm not sure Siana would get along with Darius exactly. It all depends on their motives and goals. I feel like they'd probably work well together as long as they wanted the same things. Siana is definitely a 'clever as the devil and twice as pretty' type and I feel like that's who Darius is too? I think they'd be frightening with the same goal if they decided to team up. But, that would depend on Siana trusting Darius on some level and she isn't the most trusting person. She's rather...paranoid?

And if they were enemies? I'd bet the fallout would be disastrous.

She'd pity him for his achilles heel, saying "Rip to him, but I'm different" while absolutely totally not being different because the best way to hurt her, is to hurt her Left Hand, Ryo. She can just be exceptionally dense when it comes to her feelings for Ryo, refusing to believe she has such an exploitable weakness.

She'd also probably want one of his monsters.

Leta would decidedly NOT get along with Darius. Despite having her head in the clouds, she's remarkably perceptive (think Luna Lovegood, kinda. Not quite, but the ~vibe is there.) though still wants to believe the best in people even if they don't quite pass the Vibe Check. Especially because it's not like he's Rude. And if he's Polite, then her gut must be wrong. And that would probably come back to bite her in the ass. After which she'd be extremely hurt and angry. But she'd feel she only had herself to blame cuz that's how she is. (She also has a traumatic background, and because of that she's always questioning her own judgement). So they'd probably get along right up until the point that they didn't.

Thank you for telling me about your blorbo!

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ooooh while im hardly an expert on ryo expies it is something ive enjoyed thinking about.

the way i understand it is that while ryo is the true OG, he inspired kaworu (evangelion) who in turn has a million expies himself. but since kawo is very very different from ryo himself, charas inspired by these will be super different.

i'll list some well known ones + ones i personally think might be inspired too! definitely can't vouch for all of them, tho, bc i haven't engaged with most of this media! also i realise this doesn't answer anyone's question rlly. but oh well neat list maybe. also the charas are very across the spectrum and different from e/o but seem to share some core themes/traits

ryo (devilman) OG

kaworu (evangelion) definitely seems like a reversal on ryo asuka in many ways but. can't write an essay in ur poor ask box ofc

griffith (berserk) ryo expy for sure

akise (future diary) kaworu expy

N (pokemon)

joshua (world ends with you)

komaeda (dangan rompa)

ryoji (persona)

johan (monster)

khun (tower of god)

mika (owari no seraph)

lio (promare)

(yukito/)yue (cardcaptor sakura)

dio (jojo)

asra (the arcana)

lio (promare)

koizumi (haruhi suzumiya)

commonly shared traits seem to be light hair, impressive (gay) dedication/obsession (often with MC), manipulative streaks, tragedy, moral greyness, and a sassy attitude. oftentimes they seem 'above' the MC in an almost.. omniscient way? hard to explain in a short ask but a projected above-it-all vibe (that usually is just a cover)

this ask is such a mess i humbly apologize <3

Ty for all the suggestions! Honestly I haven't even heard of like half of them. Need to keep this for future reference.

ninjabelle said: Closest I can think of would be Shogo from psycho pass s1, it helps that he’s also voiced by sakurai and has a dark haired protag that’s chasing after him complete w. similar character themes and personalities! If you haven’t seen it it’s worth a shot! There’s one scene in particular that kind of reminded me of what Griff did to Casca proving a point more than enjoying the act itself which is really cool, but no worries, there’s no r*pe involved but its definitely -

ninjabelle said: - one of the darkest animes I’ve seen, theme wise. Fate/zero also comes to mind as far as a storyline with epic betrayals goes, but there isn’t a real griff expy there even though it does deal w themes of how much youre willing to sacrifice for an ideal which is similar to Griffs ideology!

tyvm! I've heard of both these shows but I know absolutely nothing about them so it's cool to hear they have Griff/Ryo expies too.