#richard McVeigh

[mitigatingchaos]

Sunday Pipes #95

Music from the Coronation of King Charles, III. The choir sang this as the King was anointed with oil. A day late and a dollar short, but here is George Frideric Handel’s “Zadok The Priest”, (HWV 258), arranged and performed by Richard McVeigh.

[imnotevenusin]

Random

- Cancer Placements are great musicians. Being ruled by the Moon—a planet the rules our fluctuating emotions, these naitves are susceptible to constant mood swings, which gives inspiration for art - mainly music.

^I also think this is why the Moon is one of the planets the rules music.

- Venus in Virgo (or any Virgo Degrees: 6° & 18°) are also great artists in whatever medium they take up. Venus being our aesthetics, social gracing, and values is paired with analytical Virgo; this can make the Native study and practice everything that comes to Art and master it.

- Aquarians can fall into conspiracy theories for a while. Being the sign that is supposed to break barriers and progress society as a whole, they are prone to questioning everything before them. This can make them pseudo-intellectuals too - still one of my favorite signs tho.

- Moon in hard aspect to Pluto or Uranus can make dangerous individuals. The Moon is a vulnerable placement, ruling the emotional state. Pluto is intense and uncomfortable, and Uranus is unstable. These Natives can make harsh and life-altering decisions based off of their emotional state. A bunch of serial killers and terrorists have this aspect too: Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy, The Columbine Shooters & Richard Ramirez.

- Mercury conjunct Mars natives will always sound mean and loud to everyone, regardless of what sign its in. Mercury is the way you communicate, while Mars is how you defend yourself and take action. This can naturally give you a loud and demanding-tone when speaking.

- March Pisces are usually seen as more bold and angrier since Mercury can fall into the sign of Aries when the Sun is moving through the later degrees of Pisces.

^Pluto in Sagittarius also squares the sign of Pisces—usually in the later degrees, which can make these natives come off as dominating and somewhat controlling.

- I’ve seen Taurus Moons being the most liked. Their emotional state is usually—depending on the aspects—calm and stable, which gives them a welcoming demeanor.

- Taurus Mars usually takes a long time to move on in romance. Once these natives are settled and comfortable with a person, its hard to convince them to snap out of it when they need to.

- the 12th House is a fame house. The 12th House can point out where we feel isolated from everything physical. The most famous people are able to live in their own worlds, separated from everyone.

^12H natives can also connect to the collective unconscious.

- Taurus Mercuries are the most stubborn people of all time. Taurus is comfortable and stable, while Mercury is analytical and interactive. This placement can cause somebody to be close-minded and (somewhat) argumentative. Whatever solution or opinion they think is right, will remain right, because they are so comfortable with it.

- The Sun either conjuncts Mercury or Venus, due to the fact most people’s Egos are designed to be aesthetically pleasing - to themselves or to others. You also have to use your ego through communication.

[steveyockey]

Measuring purely by confirmed kills, the worst mass murderer ever executed by the United States was the white supremacist terrorist Timothy McVeigh. On April 19, 1995, McVeigh detonated a massive bomb at the Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people, including 19 children. The government killed McVeigh by lethal injection in June 2001. Whatever hesitation a state execution provokes, even over a man such as McVeigh — necessary questions about the legitimacy of killing even an unrepentant soldier of white supremacy — his death provided a measure of closure to the mother of one of his victims. “It’s a period at the end of a sentence,” said Kathleen Treanor, whose 4-year old McVeigh killed.

McVeigh, who in his own psychotic way thought he was saving America, never remotely killed on the scale of Kissinger, the most revered American grand strategist of the second half of the 20th century.

The Yale University historian Greg Grandin, author of the biography Kissinger’s Shadow, estimates that Kissinger’s actions from 1969 through 1976, a period of eight brief years when Kissinger made Richard Nixon’s and then Gerald Ford’s foreign policy as national security adviser and secretary of state, meant the end of between three and four million people. That includes “crimes of commission,” he explained, as in Cambodia and Chile, and omission, like greenlighting Indonesia’s bloodshed in East Timor; Pakistan’s bloodshed in Bangladesh; and the inauguration of an American tradition of using and then abandoning the Kurds.

No infamy will find Kissinger on a day like today. Instead, in a demonstration of why he was able to kill so many people and get away with it, the day of his passage will be a solemn one in Congress and — shamefully, since Kissinger had reporters like CBS’ Marvin Kalb and The New York Times’ Hendrick Smith wiretapped — newsrooms. Kissinger, a refugee from the Nazis who became a pedigreed member of the “Eastern Establishment” Nixon hated, was a practitioner of American greatness, and so the press lionized him as the cold-blooded genius who restored America’s prestige from the agony of Vietnam.

Not once in the half-century that followed Kissinger’s departure from power did the millions the United States killed matter for his reputation, except to confirm a ruthlessness that pundits occasionally find thrilling. America, like every empire, champions its state murderers. The only time I was ever in the same room as Henry Kissinger was at a 2015 national-security conference at West Point. He was surrounded by fawning Army officers and ex-officials basking in the presence of a statesman.

[shllowexistences]

hai my name is pero and im a 15 year old dude. i draw and edit sometimes idk im mostly watching youtube or something.. ive been interested in true crime for 8 years but recently joined the tcc 2 years ago (btw iim 'problematic', condone, and apart of the average DNI list :3)

socials: m.dpope on tiktok and peros#8126 on discord ^_^

i recently joined tccmblr because twitter kicked my ass HARD.. my twitter users used to be kinkelcoded, kiplandpk, kiponl, and i forgot how many more idk

here is some cases i enjoy:

- kip kinkel*

- syko sam (richard mccroskey)*

- james gamble*

- E&D

- timothy mcveigh

- robbie hawkins

- torey adamcik

- midwest pipe bomber

these are all that came to my head right now but theres definitely way more.. okay thats it byeee!!! also if you wanna talk or something just dm me idk i wont reach out first :3

[nearmidnightannex]

Rolling Stone goes IN on Kissinger

Their coverage is strikingly different from almost all of the rest of the US and most western media.

Whoever wrote the Daily Mail eulogy linked in the second Rolling Stone article is on the shiny shiny drugs. Also, the recommended tags that popped up for this were ... amusing, let's say.

Presented without further comment.

GOOD RIDDANCE Henry Kissinger, War Criminal Beloved by America’s Ruling Class, Finally Dies (rollingstone.com) The infamy of Nixon's foreign-policy architect sits, eternally, beside that of history's worst mass murderers. A deeper shame attaches to the country that celebrates him BY SPENCER ACKERMAN NOVEMBER 29, 2023

Henry Kissinger died on Wednesday at his home in Connecticut, his consulting firm said in a statement. The notorious war criminal was 100.

Measuring purely by confirmed kills, the worst mass murderer ever executed by the United States was the white-supremacist terrorist Timothy McVeigh. On April 19, 1995, McVeigh detonated a massive bomb at the Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people, including 19 children. The government killed McVeigh by lethal injection in June 2001. [...]

McVeigh, who in his own psychotic way thought he was saving America, never remotely killed on the scale of Kissinger, the most revered American grand strategist of the second half of the 20th century.

The Yale University historian Greg Grandin, author of the biography Kissinger’s Shadow, estimates that Kissinger’s actions from 1969 through 1976, a period of eight brief years when Kissinger made Richard Nixon’s and then Gerald Ford’s foreign policy as national security adviser and secretary of state, meant the end of between three and four million people. That includes “crimes of commission,” he explained, as in Cambodia and Chile, and omission, like greenlighting Indonesia’s bloodshed in East Timor; Pakistan’s bloodshed in Bangladesh; and the inauguration of an American tradition of using and then abandoning the Kurds....

ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY Media, Conservatives Team Up to Lionize War Criminal Henry Kissinger The notorious U.S. diplomat responsible for millions of deaths died on Wednesday at the age of 100 BY CHARISMA MADARANG NOVEMBER 30, 2023

Henry Kissinger, a national security adviser and former secretary of state under two presidents, has evaded accountability, even after death. On Wednesday, the notorious war criminal responsible for the deaths of millions, died at the age of 100.

During his lifetime, Kissinger prolonged the Vietnam war and expanded it to Cambodia and Laos; green-lit Indonesia’s bloodshed in East Timor, Pakistan’s bloodshed in Bangladesh, and supported military coups in Chile and Argentina. According to Yale University historian Greg Grandin, author of the biography Kissinger’s Shadow, the estimated death toll for foreign policy policies tied to Kissinger is between 3 million and 4 million.

Yet the headlines following his death have been astonishingly void of accountability, but not surprising. Publications from both the left and right lionized the war criminal. The Wall Street Journal credited Kissinger as the man who “Helped Forge U.S. Foreign Policy During Vietnam and Cold Wars,” while BBC called him the “Divisive diplomat who towered over world affairs.” In a loaded headline, Daily Mail lauded the him as a “Nobel Prize winner who stared down the Soviets,” while also labeling Kissinger as a “VERY unlikely sex symbol.” [...]

[djkerr]

Lucca: Mr. McVeigh, this is a change in your attitude, this new ballistic test.

Kurt: No, not a change. A, uh... it's a more refined test.

Lucca: But you testified during the trial that your ballistic test leaned towards the bullets not belonging to Richard Locke's gun.

Kurt: Yes, I did.

Lucca: And now you have a different opinion.

Kurt: Not a different opinion, a further scientific analysis.

Lucca: You're retired, aren't you, Mr. McVeigh?

Kurt: Yes, I retired this month.

Lucca: And yet, you did this ballistic test just a few hours ago?

Kurt: Yes, I did. As a favor.

Lucca: And you checked your findings with the prosecutor's ballistics expert, Holly Westfall?

Kurt: I did.

Lucca: Why did you do that?

Kurt: I wanted to see if she had the same result.

Lucca: Is this standard operating procedure?

Kurt: No.

Lucca: Why did you do it, then?

Kurt: This was an unusual case. And we had a differing opinion in 2012.

TGW 07x22 End

[carvingknifeboy]

Hello :) I'm new here. My name is Enes. He/Him I'm eighteen years old. My interests consist of medicine, psychology, criminology, and the culinary arts. I really like psychedelic rock. My favorites are Richard Ramirez, Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, and Elliot Rodger.

[burlveneer-music]

Beats & Pieces Big Band - Good Days

Think of big bands and you’re most likely to think of the halcyon days of mid-twentieth-century jazz and the likes of Duke Ellington and Count Basie. This would infer that big band music is an obsolete format, a relic from decades of yore. Founded in 2008 and directed by conductor, composer, arranger, and producer Ben Cottrell, Beats & Pieces give the lie to that notion. With Good Days, their long-awaited third studio album, they show once again that big band music is a living, expressive thing, more than capable of continuing development in our own times. Put simply, there are things a big band say and do that cannot otherwise be said and done, and Beats & Pieces say and do plenty here, with exhilarating immaculacy and imagination. This ensemble swings, twenty-first century style. Good Days ranges emotionally from the funereal to the exuberant, the ecclesiastical to the profane, the pacific to the chaotic. Fleetingly, you think of Charles Mingus, Keith Tippett, Gil Evans, Charlie Haden’s Liberation Orchestra... But there’s also a post-rock undertow to many of these tracks which shows a consciousness of such contemporaries as Björk, Radiohead, or Everything Everything. Ben Cottrell : director Anthony Brown, Emily Burkhardt, Oliver Dover : saxophones Simon Lodge, Rich Mcveigh, Phil O’Malley : trombone Owen Bryce, Graham South, Nick Walters : trumpet Anton Hunter : guitar Richard Jones : piano/Rhodes Stewart Wilson : bass Finlay Panter : drums forest field-recording from Dählhölzliwald, Bern, 4 April 2020 train station field recording from Berlin Hauptbahnhof, 16 March 2016 bells field recording from Münsterplatz, Bern 26 July 2020 all field recordings by Ben Cottrell

[darknessillumina]

SICKO.

[Verse] The Spartan built just like King Leonidas Creep through your house like Michael Myers Hit your eyes and thighs with a pair of pliers Set your house on fire while wildin', emotionally torture your Little sis to slit her wrist again, the DNA evidence From forensic analysis will make you have difficulties Sleeping for 4 weeks like Marcelo Costa did to Illana Casoy Rappers be imitatin' my rhymin' style like lyrical Adaptoids I'll smash your head with fish aquariums I'm half-man half-corpse movin' with a bow arrow Like a Sagittarius, sayin' nothin' like a Indian man Tryna call for help after being smashed by a elephant I look upon him like scientists look upon COVID variants A lot of people will panick, you won't even notice it Pause for a moment, Edgar Allen Poet, the depressed raven Try so hard not to show it, I won't bow it, Jesus statue Of your church I'm blastin' it, one more chapter of blasphemy When I'm pissed whip out my dick and piss on it Slap your lips 'til it swolls, go to bed with guns Like a White supremacist, I'm a product of Anders Breivik Blood is so coldened to the point even ice gets so smouldered I came down, I'm over it, chop your bitch like Wolverine I'm Chernobyl-toxic to the environment, sensitive drama queers Will stay bitchin', it smells like Hell when Grim Sleeper and Dennis Nilsen are inside my kitchen Dumpin' bodies in ravines 'cause my whole MO is strangulation Dead bodies are my addiction, was used to struggle with writer's block Like Satanism and Richard Ramirez, I'll attack a bloodsoaked poacher Like a Bengal tiger will bang you then send you to a place with no angels Icepick the tits of that bitch, if orange is the new black I'm feeling like a Cincinnati Bengal, do the whole mosque like Brenton Tarrant then refuse to pay police warrants My arsenal illing I'll treat you like federal buildings got By Timothy McVeigh, spider poison runs in my veins I'm out in the rain, my clouds in the brain or my brain's in The clouds? If I fist 'till her pelvic pops and her crotch is rot She still won't tell me to stop, she just be like "Ayo big man is this all you got?", My balls hard as an rock My penis crooked like Minneapolis cops, fuckin' crooks You don't want me to turn the scene into Sandy Hook Oh hey, turn the way, you will taste 50 shades of Colt Gray Haha, done with this, barely awake

[brookstonalmanac]

Events 8.10 (affter 1950)

1953 – First Indochina War: The French Union withdraws its forces from Operation Camargue against the Viet Minh in central Vietnam. 1954 – At Massena, New York, the groundbreaking ceremony for the Saint Lawrence Seaway is held. 1961 – Vietnam War: The U.S. Army begins Operation Ranch Hand, spraying an estimated 20 million US gallons (76,000 m3) of defoliants and herbicides over rural areas of South Vietnam in an attempt to deprive the Viet Cong of food and vegetation cover. 1966 – The Heron Road Bridge collapses while being built, killing nine workers in the deadliest construction accident in both Ottawa and Ontario. 1969 – A day after murdering Sharon Tate and four others, members of Charles Manson's cult kill Leno and Rosemary LaBianca. 1971 – The Society for American Baseball Research is founded in Cooperstown, New York. 1977 – In Yonkers, New York, 24-year-old postal employee David Berkowitz ("Son of Sam") is arrested for a series of killings in the New York City area over the period of one year. 1978 – Three members of the Ulrich family are killed in an accident. This leads to the Ford Pinto litigation. 1981 – Murder of Adam Walsh: The head of John Walsh's son is found. This inspires the creation of the television series America's Most Wanted and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. 1988 – Japanese American internment: U.S. President Ronald Reagan signs the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, providing $20,000 payments to Japanese Americans who were either interned in or relocated by the United States during World War II. 1990 – The Magellan space probe reaches Venus. 1993 – Two earthquakes affect New Zealand. A 7.0 Mw  shock (intensity VI (Strong)) in the South Island was followed nine hours later by a 6.4 Mw  event (intensity VII (Very strong)) in the North Island. 1995 – Oklahoma City bombing: Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols are indicted for the bombing. Michael Fortier pleads guilty in a plea-bargain for his testimony. 1997 – Sixteen people are killed when Formosa Airlines Flight 7601 crashes near Beigan Airport in the Matsu Islands of Taiwan. 1998 – HRH Prince Al-Muhtadee Billah is proclaimed the crown prince of Brunei with a Royal Proclamation. 1999 – Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting. 2001 – The 2001 Angola train attack occurred, causing 252 deaths. 2001 – Space Shuttle program: The Space Shuttle Discovery is launched on STS-105 to the International Space Station, carrying the astronauts of Expedition 3 to replace the crew of Expedition 2. 2003 – The Okinawa Urban Monorail is opened in Naha, Okinawa. 2009 – Twenty people are killed in Handlová, Trenčín Region, in the deadliest mining disaster in Slovakia's history. 2012 – The Marikana massacre begins near Rustenburg, South Africa, resulting in the deaths of 47 people. 2014 – Forty people are killed when Sepahan Airlines Flight 5915 crashes at Tehran's Mehrabad International Airport. 2018 – Horizon Air employee Richard Russell hijacks and performs an unauthorized takeoff on a Horizon Air Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 plane at Seattle–Tacoma International Airport in Washington, flying it for more than an hour before crashing the plane and killing himself on Ketron Island in Puget Sound. 2018 – An anti-government rally turns into a riot when members of the Romanian Gendarmerie attack the 100,000 people protesting in front of the Victoria Palace, leading to 452 recorded injuries. The authorities alleged that the crowd was infiltrated by hooligans who began attacking law enforcement agents. 2019 – Thirty-two are killed and one million are evacuated as Typhoon Lekima makes landfall in Zhejiang, China. Earlier it had caused flooding in the Philippines. 2019 – Philip Manshaus shoots his stepsister and attacks a mosque in the Bærum mosque shooting. 2020 – Derecho in Iowa becomes the most costly thunderstorm disaster in U.S. history.

[mitigatingchaos]

Sunday Pipes #145

Praise, my soul, the King of heaven, (published in 1834 by Henry Francis Lyte)   performed by Richard McVeigh on the Lewis organ of Southwark Cathedral, London, England. I try to learn something new every day and today I learned there is a “Pipe Organ Wiki”.

[mckitterick]

for those who don't know why this is such a great day not only for the USA but for the entire world, look how this Rolling Stone article starts, and check out this title -

allow me to share this piece's amazing opener -

Henry Kissinger, War Criminal Beloved by America’s Ruling Class, Finally Dies

The infamy of Nixon's foreign-policy architect sits, eternally, beside that of history's worst mass murderers. A deeper shame attaches to the country that celebrates him.

it just keeps getting better -

Henry Kissinger died on Wednesday at his home in Connecticut, his consulting firm said in a statement. The notorious war criminal was 100.

Measuring purely by confirmed kills, the worst mass murderer ever executed by the United States was the white-supremacist terrorist Timothy McVeigh, responsible for the deaths of 168 people.

that's nothing compared to Kissinger’s tally

McVeigh, who in his own psychotic way thought he was saving America, never remotely killed on the scale of Kissinger, the most revered American grand strategist of the second half of the 20th century. 

Greg Grandin, author of the biography Kissinger’s Shadow, estimates that Kissinger’s actions from 1969 through 1976, a period of eight brief years when Kissinger directed USA foreign policy for both Presidents Richard Nixon’s and Gerald Ford as National Security Adviser and Secretary of State, caused the deaths of between three and four million people.

take into account how Kissinger prevented peace in Southeast Asia to elect Nixon (really, just to put himself in power), and you get an idea of how he personally warped more than an entire generation of American politics into creating war-hawks even among the Democratic party. how many millions more have died around the world because of Kissinger’s influence on all of the US Presidents (and Secretaries of State) ever since the 1960s

this guy is personally responsible for ruining American foreign policy for going on six decades

read more of the article to better understand why today is a great day for the entire world: X

We've been waiting for this one

[dankusner]

4-20...

Observers see link in trio of 1990s tragedies

The anniversaries of three American tragedies occur this weekend.

Friday marked the 31st year since the end of the siege in Waco, Texas, and the 29th since the Oklahoma City bombing.

Saturday is the 25th anniversary of the Columbine High School shooting.

The events of those days, which collectively took 257 lives, have served as landmarks in American history demonstrating the capabilities of far-right terrorists and the unofficial beginning of the age of school shootings.

The siege at Waco was cited by the man primarily behind the Oklahoma City bombing, Timothy McVeigh, who believed that what happened to the Branch Davidians at Waco was 'dirty' and wanted to 'give them dirty back,' said investigative journalist Mike Boettcher.

Dave Cullen, author of 'Columbine,' wrote that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold would likely have seen the coverage of Waco and Oklahoma City.

Cullen also noted that Harris described wanting to top McVeigh in his journal.

Here’s what you need to know about the Waco siege, the Oklahoma City bombing and the Columbine shooting.

Waco siege

Key dates : The raid began at 9:30 a.m. Feb. 28, 1993; the siege began the afternoon of Feb. 28 and ended April 19.

What happened : Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives raided the Mount Carmel compound of the Branch Davidian sect in Waco, Texas.

The initial raid, intended to execute a search warrant, left four ATF agents and five Branch Davidians dead.

The afternoon after the raid, the FBI led a 51-day siege of the compound.

The siege ended when the FBI conducted an assault on the compound, leading to a fire that killed 76 Davidians.

How it is tied to the other events :

The siege as well as the standoff in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, fed into antigovernment sentiment and was cited by Timothy McVeigh as his cause to commit the Oklahoma City bombing.

Oklahoma City bombing

Key date : April 19, 1995

What happened : McVeigh detonated a truck filled with nearly 5,000 pounds of explosives in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

The explosion killed 168 people. McVeigh was convicted on 11 counts of murder and put to death in 2001.

How it is tied to the other events : McVeigh, according to the FBI, visited Waco, according to Boettcher.

McVeigh chose the date for his attack to coincide with the anniversary of the siege’s end.

Columbine High School shooting

Key date : April 20, 1999

What happened :

Harris and Klebold killed 13 people and wounded 24 in a mass shooting at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado.

The two planted two bombs in the cafeteria of the school that did not detonate.

The shooters later killed themselves.

How it is tied to the other events : The shooting was originally planned for April 19 − the sixth anniversary of the Waco siege ending and the fourth of the Oklahoma City bombing − according to Cullen.

Acquiring the ammunition pushed the date back to the 20th

What Did Ann Know?

What did Ann Richards know about helicopters used during Waco siege?

Almost all of the defendants who were originally named in the civil lawsuit brought by family members and survivors of the Branch Davidian conflagration are, or were, federal employees.

Former Gov. Ann Richards was the only non-military state official named in the lawsuits.

That's because while she was governor, Richards approved the request that allowed federal agents to use three National Guard helicopters during its Feb. 28, 1993, assault on the Waco compound.

In July, Richards was dismissed as a defendant in the lawsuit.

But the use of the helicopters ­and whether federal agents fired guns from them ­ continues to be one of the most contentious and frightening aspects of the Waco controversy.

The use of the three military helicopters ­two OH-58 Kiowas and one UH-60 Blackhawk ­ was justified by the government's specious claim that there was a methamphetamine lab inside Mt. Carmel.

That allegation allowed the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to ask Richards for permission to use the helicopters.

Perhaps without fully understanding what she was doing, she agreed to allow the use of the choppers, two of which were based here in Austin at Camp Mabry.

If federal agents did fire from the helicopters, it would likely be a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.

Passed by Congress in 1878, the law prohibits the military from acting as a police force against civilians, as it had during its occupation of the South after the Civil War.

The measure authorizes fines and prison terms for anyone who "willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus to make arrests or otherwise to execute the laws."

The law also prohibits the direct participation by "any member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity."

But the War on Drugs changed that.

In 1989, drugs were declared a national security threat and Congress passed legislation that allows the military to train civilian drug police.

The change blurred the line between acceptable and unacceptable military activities with regard to the police.

No one has ever been prosecuted for violating the law.

There is contradictory information as to whether federal agents fired from the helicopters during the raid.

Two defense lawyers who represented the Davidians and went inside the Mt. Carmel compound during the 51-day standoff ­Jack Zimmerman and Dick DeGuerin ­ both said they saw bullet holes in the ceiling of the structure.

Zimmerman described them as "exit holes" and said that there were only two possible explanations.

"You can have a guy standing on the roof shooting in, and it would look just like that, or you can have someone shooting from a helicopter."

Several Davidians have said the helicopters fired at them.

Catherine Matteson, a Davidian who left the compound during the siege, was at Mt. Carmel on Feb. 28.

In her memoir, quoted in Dick J. Reavis' book Ashes of Waco, she recalls, "As I went to the window to my amazement, there were three helicopters in formation and facing David's room and firing as they came."

David Thibodeau was also at the compound during the assault.

He, too, claims the helicopters fired on the compound.

He says that bullet holes in the compound's water towers could only have come from a helicopter.

Three Davidians who were killed that day, Peter Gent, Peter Hipsman, and Winston Blake, may have been killed by gunfire coming from the helicopters.

Fueling suspicion is a telephone conversation between Koresh and ATF agent Jim Cavanaugh that occurred shortly after the raid.

Cavanaugh started the conversation by saying, "We need to set the record straight and that is that there was no guns on those helicopters."

That statement enraged Koresh, who told Cavanaugh, "You're a damn liar."

After a few more testy exchanges with Koresh, Cavanaugh changed his story.

"What I'm saying is that those helicopters did not have mounted guns. Okay? I'm not disputing the fact that there might have been fire from the helicopters," Cavanaugh said.

The 1996 U.S. House report on the Davidian incident denies that any gunfire came from the helicopters.

"The helicopters were unarmed," it says, and "no ATF agents fired from the helicopters."

The report says the Texas Rangers came to the same conclusion.

However, the report adds that it doesn't appear that "senior ATF or Treasury officials gave any consideration to the negative image of military helicopters being used as part of a raid on American civilians."

If federal agents did indeed fire from the helicopters, it changes the scope of the initial raid.

Gunfire from the helicopters would mean the incident wasn't a police raid, it was a military assault with the attack coming from both land and air on a group of civilians who had never been convicted of any crime.

It would be an unprecedented use of military force on American civilians.

However, proving that agents fired from the helicopters will be difficult, if not impossible.

And while the question of the gunfire may be addressed in the civil lawsuit against the FBI that goes to trial next May, there are other questions.

Why did Richards approve the request?

Was it a mistake? Did federal authorities lie to her about the drug issue in order to get the military helicopters that they wanted?

If they did lie, will they be punished?

Again, as with everything else regarding Waco, the questions outnumber the answers.

WACO ^^

[djkerr]

Holly: The bullets definitely came from Richard Locke's gun.

Connor: We do have one other witness, Your Honor.

Connor: We call Kurt McVeigh.

TGW 07x22 End

[zooterchet]

Welcome to the Ukraine (CIA, Listen Hard; This is Your History, Flip Metal)

Each one of these, has a dodge, that anyone can figure out; especially if you're an American spy, on United States soil.

Ted Bundy: Failed to snitch out France and become a chain smoker.

Uri Geller: Failed to be an anti-Semite to the Hanseatic League, one by one, in any order; however, was Gypsy, not "Romani", the rude slur for a field slave of Israelites prior to the conquest of Canaan by the Phillistines (the Gypsy).

Scott Peterson: Did not study HH Holmes, and realize, that he was not "Scottish", nor was anyone.

Jeffrey Dahmer: Attempted to lead reform, but didn't know that "gay", was a campus drug signal.

David Berkowitz: Told the NYPD, that he needed to apply a comic book, as a superhero.

Albert Fish: Confessed to murders he did not commit, but only after the murders were committed.

HH Holmes: An actual James Bond 007, but would not study whomever else was into the spy literature that he was featured in.

Eileen Wournos: Had never been taught the US Constitution, or the Civil War period, and studied Irish unions instead.

Richard Ramirez: Stole a spy's car, and was also a spy.

Ernest Charlebois: Stole an alias, from a salt shaker, to start DC Comics.

Huey Long: Started the entire foundational theory of the Office of Strategic Services, as Louisiana Governor, but then tried to make the entire country into a sublet office of his services, as a literature reader, to old men and "little women", their daughters, based on literature he stole from a permanent record of a draft fail from a senior intern (someone missed an agent to recruit).

Ivanka Trump: Attempted to defect, by incarcerating her father, for making her a police officer with the Japanese Diet.

Venus Terzo: Used dozens of aliases, as George W. Bush's daughter, to serve as a military cowgirl, unaware the sexual position was only possible in Massachusetts, otherwise "ghei", "too rich". It's a nautical sailor's gene, of piracy and smuggling origin, to be capable of girl-on-top, a guaranteed orgasm.

Cassie-Leigh Stock: Claimed a pedophile, was anything a heterosexual male seeking a fan would do, since she had the fantasy of sexually dominating men with a pedophile insult; a product of Aryan Nation literature, as a Puerto Rican child prodigy dominatrix.

William McKinley: Attempted to banish an Polish actor who had studied him as George Custer, by creating a list of legal fraud documents, for the Polish actor to read, causing the Pole's son to kill him, once US President.

Kim il-Sung: Volunteered for duty in Korea, by taking a Vietnamese girl out, for Korean BBQ. Actually Mexican. Grandson trapped running North Korea, as Supreme Leader, to this very day.

Charles Manson: Wrote an essential piece of Hollywood history, then went down for statuatory rape, by failing a drug score and making it with his own writing partners.

Karl Panzram: A prison warden, that tried to train hop, then murdered 30,000 people, on four continents, as an oil developer, after James Cagney studied him for his dramatic roles.

Fidel Castro: A technical program success, besides his family staying in power, during the transition.

Carlos the Jackal: Assigned to research film, made legendary spy movies and scripts for decades, after fellating men in their sleep, to produce CGI technician developers and slaves, all depicted in spy movies, all standalone without series, dozens of beauties, big and small and unknown and notorious.

Timothy McVeigh: Placed on medication required to take off the shelf; medication cleared for single case epithet, of Timothy McVeigh, by United States Marine Corps learning school, in Waco, Texas.

John Allen Muhammad: Deported overseas to save self from indictment for teaching hacking techniques through exchanged chips and datalink formats, failed to import back to United States from Will Smith refusing role as "Neo" in "The Matrix", a lesser reknowned acting style.

Albert de Salvo: Caught on stalk from prostitution don out of Westboro Baptist Church victimhood (a civil or federal service member that had inserted his erect phallus into a woman's rectum), refused to trade his place with a foreign serial killer on study.

David Charlebois: Same name as a dead first officer in 9/11, who was also homosexual, permanently registered as a confused gay man with a Law and Order detective lookalike as a female love interest beside him.

[dottie-mcveigh]

To: d.m.mcveigh@freemail.com From: tjd@wayneenterprises.com Subject: RE: Summer Gala Dear Ms. McVeigh, If transportation is an issue, I assure you that Wayne Enterprises can easily arrange a ride from Blüdhaven to pick you up. We frequently use the toll roads, which will make the travel time considerably shorter as you would not have to try and make it through rush hour traffic. I know Mr. Wayne is looking forward to meeting you in person, and it would truly be a shame if you are unable to make this event. I believe Richard Grayson, who also lives in Blüdhaven, could carpool with you. He also has his own work schedule that day, and is experienced in arriving to galas at the appropriate time. Optimistically, Timothy Drake-Wayne

TO: tjd@wayneenterprises.com From: d.m.mcveigh@freemail.com Subject: RE: Summer Gala To Mr Drake-Wayne, Thank you for your concern and generosity of WE resources - and the volunteering of your elder brother's time and convenience. However I am quite sure it will be unnecessary, as my attendance has no significance to the event itself. Kindest Regards, Dottie McVeigh

TO: tjd@wayneenterprises.com From: d.m.mcveigh@freemail.com SUBJECT: Summer Gala To Mr Drake, By this time Mr Wayne has likely informed you of his extending an invitation to the Wayne Enterprises Summer Gala on to me. If not— please ignore this message. He advised I should notify you directly of any dietary requirements and a possible plus one. I am registering both as not required. As I did not receive a formal invitation card, can you please provide the time and location— as well advise of the dress code and agenda. Kind Regards, Dottie McVeigh