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sualne · 2 years ago
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something i wish i'd see more in trigun fanarts is people having vash speak their native/non-english languages completely unprompted, ive seen folks have him speak french, which he canonically knows, but i really do believe he's a polyglot. mostly because of that one time in the desert when he saw the samurai and wanted to greet him in japanese but struggled to remember how to even say hello.
my headcanon is that rem had them learn as many languages as possible but with the big fall and so many people dying, which i think is what led english to became No man's land main (or even only?) language, means that vash (and knives!) both got horribly out of practice and are various sort of rusty in every others languages.
what im saying if there's any pun or joke you've been dying to write but just doesn't work in english vash (and knives!!) are right there!
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littlefankingdom · 2 months ago
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"Tim's brothers check on him often to be sure he didn't became evil/insane."
Wrong. Tim is the one checking on every other batfam members to make sure they didn't became evil or insane, because that's always been his role. And also, y'all are really overestimating Tim's "craziness" in comparison to his siblings. He tried to make clones of his friends in his grief, okay. But like, the other shit isn't that more insane than any shit the rest of the Batfam has done or gone through. Even in Red Robin, he is acting very much like Bruce, but Bruce has done crazier shit.
Jean-Paul has done a ton of unhinged shit and being borderline evil (tried to murder Bruce multiple times, Dick and Tim) and Tim was in charge of monitoring him. Dick often switches fast from fine and cool-headed to angry and jumping into a fight, and Tim is often right by trying (and failing) to keep him in check. When Bruce is a fugitive for murder, when Tim tries to explain why he thinks Bruce could have done it, Dick loses his marbles on him, yells at him that he doesn’t deserve to be either his brother or Robin, and has to leave because he was ready to hit that kid (he confesses to Barbara that he wanted to hit Tim). And there are all the time they think Bruce got killed, where Dick jumps to attack like a rabid dog, totally forgetting about the people around and Tim, who has to try to stop him and save the situation. And Tim checking on Bruce. And Tim checking on Jason and Damian is less commun, but it does happen. And Tim not being able to handle Cass too.
That meme of the guy struggling while holding multiple people with leashes? That Tim with the Batfam.
Nobody is thinking Tim is going to become insane, he is the one supposed to stop them from becoming insane.
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butternutt613 · 2 months ago
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Ayyyyyy how many of you are here since AO3 is down again????
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luck-of-the-drawings · 1 year ago
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The Oath an older sister takes is on par with that of a Paladins, and sometimes upheld with the very same ferocity…
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scorching-earth · 16 days ago
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Limbus side characters as Yuu!
I’m back sorry for the wait! Had to do side charters I still need time to flesh out the ideas I have for Twst in Limbus. So I have side characters as Yuu in the meantime. These are going to be limbus side charters up till canto 3. This might be a part one since I know there are quite a few side charters that are in fact interesting.
(TLDR: go play limbus company, or twisted wonderland if either concept interests you.)
Obligatory spoiler warning: Not as egregious, and most of the characters are side characters, but Limbus company is a free game so if anything talked about interests you  please check out respective games. I’ve talked in previous posts about how you really should check out Project moon’s lore. I have been neglecting talking about Twisted wonderland in these spoiler warning sections. I think it is clear that I show bias in writing for Twisted wonderland as a setting. I incline more to its world building aspects so if you do want to check out the characters for real, please. try to check it out if it interests you.
TW:heavy expectations, corporate abuse, abuse of power, Fake feelings, light topics of depression, scars, violence, religious abuse, abuse of others, ablisam, death, brainwashing, objectifying people (more in a militaristic way), discrimination(in many contexts).
Spoilers under the cut for some parts of Project moon’s lore. Each headcanon uses They\Them pronouns. And each of the Yuu’s are only based off of each charter to give me more creative freedom.
I will be using the term wing a lot, and feather. To put it simply a wing is a mega corporation that controls a part of a city. It’s a bit more complicated than that but it works for the writing I’m doing. A feather is what id referred to as an employee. It’s a reference to the wing motif used commonly with these mega corporations. The employees are the “feathers” that let the wings “fly”. Lastly, the Limbus Company is not a wing.
Yuri
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Quotes: “ep! Don't do that!” “I don't want to hurt you! S-so don't get closer.” “don't touch my gauze!” “don't you dare say you’ve suffered! You think that pity party gives you the right to hurt people! That doesn't mean a thing! I've suffered more than all of you combined so shut up!” 
as a former feather of a fallen wing. Yuu never expected to have to find a job other than the one they had before. As a result Yuu had a lot of expectations put on them working for a wing. Their job had the threat of death every day yet that was fine since they made enough to live a very comfortable life, that was before the wing fell. Yuu then had to turn to fixer work in order to even have a house. Yuu has suffered more than all of the twisted wonderland characters combined. Through adversity though they've come out into this new world.
Yuu’s weapon of choice is the first of City technology to make it into twisted wonderland… (it took this long for one of the city’s weapons to find its way in twisted wonderland?) a red glowing sword. It’s highly likely that this is a sort of plasma blade. Using city technology shows need assistance in combat considering Yuu is also only a grade 8 fixer. Yuu relies heavily on technology. In order to stand a chance in a fight.
Yuu’s eye it’s missing, Yuu actually looks very beat up, but it's not just all bruises, some of those bandages are infect hiding scars. Yuu will practically beg any who tries to take them off to not do it. Most of the time people don't push Yuu’s limits, since Yuu makes each and every time very clear that it’s their boundary. No one is allowed to push it. When people do push Yuu’s boundary Yuu tends to snap. Yuu goes off about how they have had it good, while they have suffered and pushing a traumatized person’s boundaries is just wrong.
Favorite student is Riddle hands down. After the whole incident with book one and Riddle's character development the two had gotten really close. Both are red heads. Both had a lot of expectations put on them. Yuu having helped beat Riddle was a sour spot for a while, but Riddle grew to see Yuu as an older sibling. Riddle can’t help but be protective of Yuu. especially since they both have shared issues with Floyed.
Least favorite student is Floyd. Shrimpy works very well with Yuu. Floyd was right on the mark with this one. Yuu is skittery and scared of everything. The red hair works too well with shrimp in general too. Yuu HATES Floyd. Floyd is the only student who doesn't respect Yuu boundaries. Making him the on-sight runaway. Yuu doesn't want to have to deal with the repercussions of having to explain the horrors of their home universe to someone like Floyd. Who just wouldn't understand what Yuu’s “home life" would be like.
effie
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Quotes: “and I thought you were “grate mages” but all I see are blundering buffoons.” “Come now you didn’t think I wouldn't have a plan did you?” “My acting didn't fool you too. You couldn't be stupid enough to fall for it too would you?” “I do miss one person from my old world… but she’s probably holding her own.”
Yuu works for limbus company clarence team. More specifically the before team. as such Yuu is extremely skilled in scouting, espionage, information gathering, and acting. This makes Yuu very confident, and in some cases even judgmental of some of the students. Yuu did have a partner with their work, but Yuu insist that their partner could keep their own. Yuu always has a comeback for every sort of insult thrown at them.
Yuu’s Weapon of choice is another of the city’s technologies. A golden baton, looking closer there is exposed wiring. Yuu’s never really had to use their weapon because of their skills. But when asked Yuu admits that it would probably hurt a lot considering it’s a shock baton. Yuu’s use of the city’s technology shows that Yuu doesn't have the capacity to rely on their own skills in their combat. Yuu relies on out of combat tactics then in combat tactics. Yuu’s not an amazing fighter.
Yuu looks away often when asked about their old world. Yuu worked for a company who treated as disposeable. Yuu finds this world as a sort of heaven. Yuu’s made the choice they didn't want to go back, and shuts down any talk about their previous world and life. They tend to throw excuses and say “why talk about a Place I’ll never see again?”. It’s clear that Yuu doesn't want to talk about their past and snooping isn't exactly easy.
Effie’s Favorite student Jamil. Sometimes people get one confused with the other. They look and act similar as well. There's mutual respect between the two, although Jamil holds a bit of jealousy towards Yuu. Yuu holds the thing Jamil wants the most freedom, but at the very least Yuu doesn't take it for granted. Jamil is also the only holder of information about Yuu’s previous world. Yuu was in a very similar situation as Jamil, albeit Yuu’s job was extremely different. their employer never gave them true freedom like Jamil.
Least favorite student : that darn Azul won't stop annoying Yuu about working for him! Couple that with the Tweels following Azul practically everywhere and Yuu cannot catch a break. It's basically one for one with Jamil. Which doesn't help the comparison between the two. Yuu's reason for constantly rejecting Azul though is quite different. Yuu doesn't want to be held back anymore. Yuu wants to run and explore the world, taking everything at their own pace. And Azul’s work just doesn't allow that. Working for someone like Azul is not Yuu inteton in this world. Yuu had enough corrupt business for one lifetime. 
Saude
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“Please make sure to go over the plan thoroughly.” “I make contingencies in case something goes wrong, but knowing you. You’ll mess it up somehow.” “It's fine your reaction to my facade only made the lie seem more believable. Your foolishness only made the plan go smoother.” “I do miss one person… but they're dead. I can't weep for someone no longer here now can I?”
Yuu works for limbus company clarence team. More specifically the before team. as such Yuu is extremely skilled in scouting, espionage, information gathering, and acting. (Is anyone else getting deja vu?) Yet Yuu is somewhat humble, only judging people with concealed insults. Yuu knows what they're doing and doing it well. Yuu slips by any people insult with backhanded complaints, and double meanings to everything they say. Only the most perceptive of students catch Yuu’s insults.
Yuu’s weapon of choice is a gun. Which is odd since guns are extremely taxed and bullets cost a fortune. So Yuu has to be very confident in their aiming, timing, and stealth skills. Since bullets are easily blocked, dodged, and destroyed. The city has made guns almost impossible to use; only complete idiots or skilled marksmen use them.
Yuu has elected to stay in twisted wonderland. They have nothing left for them in their world. What little they would have is gone since their coworker died. Yuu’s elected to stay to have a better future and live for the both of them. Their old work partner would want that for them and Yuu’s confidant in that knowledge. This world is like heaven, Yuu is sure that their friend is looking down from their own heaven at them. Enjoying the life he couldn't have. Not that Yuu goes telling people about their old world. Yuu’s world is a secret that the students of night raven college are still trying to find information on.
Favorite student: Vil and Yuu get along just fine. Vil is also one of the only students to call Yuu out on their concealed insults. While using his own to keep Yuu’s ego in check. The two often have playful banter. It's not a big shock when Rook was found staking them one day. Yuu tends to keep their appearance just fine. They're average at best though so there's no comparison at who’s the better looking between the two. Vil appreciates the conversation though. Vil even holds information about Yuu’s previous world. Not that he’ll tell anyone his lips are sealed. He understands why Yuu keeps their world quiet. 
Least favorite student : Azul leave the before team alone. Azul is much more persistent about getting Yuu to work for him since Yuu tends to let him down easy. Yuu is annoyed at this fact and has told Azul off before. Yet Azul never relents. It’s maddening actually the only thing Yuu can do is just try to deny Azul as often as possible. Yet Yuu never get out of the habit of letting Azul off easy. Don't take it as Yuu liking Azul in some way. Yuu just hasn't kicked the habit of concealing their disapproval. Yuu just can't live their life properly while bogged down by corrupt business. Yuu wants to live their life both for their former partner and themself. 
Effie & Saude
(Effie will be known as Yuffie, and Saude will be known as Yaude.)
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“‘Really it’s not that hard to follow a simple plan.’ we even outlined the important parts.” “‘We're well aware our plan is flawless.’ So try to stick to it please?” “‘you really fell for our act?’ well at least your shock made it more believable.” “‘Why talk about our old world?’ it’s not like it’s important.”
Prepare for trouble. And make it double. Both Yuu’s have come to twisted wonderland. And both are here to stay, both have no intention of going back. Both use extremely honed skills and both will keep any ego in check. Though Yaude is the preferred one to be insulted by because they at least conceal their insults. Yuffie has no intention of being subtle though so getting an ego check is guaranteed if you make a mistake around them. The two are a match made in heaven; their skills work perfectly together and have such matching personalities. Some students have even confused them for siblings, but the two are really just good friends.
If you think that their concealed past would come to light if they were together, you're sorely mistaken. The two are even more tight lipped then they would be individually, and can cover for each other's mistakes. Each slip up is “an inside joke.” or “an old fairy tale.” different world, different rules. Yet the two know that there's going to be one day when one of them makes too big of a slip up, and the other cannot cover for them. Both fear the day, but know their charade cannot go on forever. All it takes is one contradiction for all the little slip ups to come into question. So for now there isn't even a secret for the students to wonder about.
For each student the two are basically a win button. If you get one of the two Yuu’s on your side. The other will follow, making your scheme almost guaranteed to succeed. The two have become school-wide legends for their planning and forward thought. Making many students only dream of the two assisting them. Each calculation is perfect, every act is perfect, a contingency for every hiccup that may happen. Their legend has only boosted their own ability to perform what feels like magic to the ordinary person. Yet the two are confirmed to be magicless, and the two themself say their previous line of work required these skills. So it brings in what kind of work they had before they came to night raven college. 
Ace and Deuce are the only people who consistently have the Yuu’s on their side. If Ace has a prank he’s been cooking up you know Yuffie had improved upon it. If you see Deuce with full marks, you just know Yaude helped him pull an all nighter. It’s scary how the two first years have both Yuu’s to back them up no matter what. Some students are so caught up in Yuu's magical planning abilities. Some forget that Ace is seen talking to Yaude about card tricks. Or Deuce carrying heavy boxes for Yuffie when they ordered some equipment for their next plan. When people realize that Ace, Deuce, Yuffie, and Yaude are friends. Yuu’s consent backing whatever minor idea the two first years have become clear as day. It's the Yuus way of thanking Ace and Deuce for their continued friendship.
Azul wants those two magical planners working for him yesterday! Individually the two are smart, together they're magic. After so many failed attempts Azul knows that he cannot be the one to ask. So it’s become the Tweels job to headhunt the Yuu’s. So seeing Yuffie try and outrun Floyd to prevent getting the wind knocked out of them is common. Not as common as Yaude’s conversations with Jade, each one a mind game to make the other slip up. Jade has failed every time. Yet even with the avantages sometimes Yuffie accidentally runs Yaude’s way while Yaude is locked in a mind game. Those are practically the only time students of nightraven have seen a plan go wrong. It ended with Yuffie running into Yaude making the two end up on the floor confused and tired. The Tweels took full advantage of the moment. Yet the Yuu’s stayed strong and wiggled their way out of that situation somehow. That day marked the first unexpected incident the two had not planned for. One day the Yuus look on and laugh about.
Kormer
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“my name is Yuu I am a humanitarian who loves purity and the one who grips.” “If you need help I’m willing to assist you.” “my opinion on magic as some who has none. Useless, I can do anything just fine as a human without any.” “... I love humanity.”
Yuu is completely normal. Gets along with students very well. Although Yuu tends to keep to themself they have a small group of people whom they consider friends. Yuu is very accepting and willing to help many students with small things, but often can tell when people are trying to take advantage of their kindness. Not everyone is given help and Yuu is clearly selective of who they help, but people wonder what their requirements are.
Most people only think that hammer and nails are only good for construction. Yet Yuu proves every time that they can be a deadly combo when in the right… freakishly strong hands. Ok so Yuu has pinned a guy with nails after throwing them and hitting them with their hammer. There is some energy lost on the impact with the hammer so, imagen what they could do at close range. No one wants to find out, and no one is worried because Yuu is too kind to ever hurt anyone.
Yuu is extremely smart. Excelling in classes where others failed miserably. It's such a shame Yuu doesn't have magic. They could have made an excellent mage, a kind one too. Yuu fights off overblot with such skill and tactical prowess you sometimes forget that nails can do serious damage to the person. Only that certain overblot student has gone to the infirmary because of damage done by nails. Odd, yet people who look into it often disregard it at the same time. Yuu’s just a bit too strong and some over blots have better magic then others. So why was Riddle fine? Didn't he lose use of his unique magic? Wouldn't it have been useless since Yuu doesn’t have any magic? 
It’s a mystery who Yuu’s favorite student is since Yuu keeps blowing off the question. Often giveing confusing answers or just reintroducing themself with the whole “my name is Yuu..” bit. No one can get a read on who yuu likes. Is it Ace and Deuce? The three hang out a lot. Is it sliver who Yuu can be seen carrying to class. Is it Vil who Yuu sings the praises of. Rook and Yuu talk a lot. Hack Yuu’s been seen playing games with Idia late at night. Jamil always has a helping hand when it comes to cooking, though Yuu only knows how to boil water. Yuu gets the perfect angle when it comes to taking photos for Cater. Do I need to go on?
Yet it took one minor inconspicuous student to connect all the dots. Human, all the students Yuu helps, talks to, or even just interacts with in general are human. Then the student sees the harsh glares Yuu gives the Tweels. The scoffs at Leons for sleeping in the garden when silver has done the same. The stranded smile when talking to Malleus. Yuu hates anyone, not human. Beast men, merpeople, fey, anyone. The same student who connected all the dots confronted Yuu about their problem. Leona sighed, that student was a smart one too. It’s a shame the hunter got to them first. Every time the two’s eyes meet Leona just feels the “your next” coming from Yuu. he’s suffered injuries from that hammer of theirs once already. Yuu stands against all that the king of beasts stood for. There is no equality with Yuu, only humanity, and Leona hates them for it.
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Yuu holds the same ideals as Kromer, they do not hide their messed up view. Yuu has attacked students for no other reason than they are not human Yuu nearly had the cops called on them as well. Yuu doesn't hide their behavior, Yuu hides behind being a hammer to be used by the one who grips. Every time someone yells at Yuu they just stand there taking it. Not feeling anything with the insults hurled at them. Yuu doesn't care they’ve been a hammer for as long as they remember so why change now?
Yuu fights with a nail fitting for a hammer. Yuu has gravely injured many students with their nails. Every time being fended off with magic. Yuu fights with no regard for their own well being, often having parts for their body missing after each attempt to purify a sinner. Yet every time Yuu seems to be as good as new after sleeping. For you see Yuu’s true weapon is the first singularity to make it into twisted wonderland. K corp’s hp ampules are constantly being pumped into Yuu’s body making Yuu practically unkillable. Their body heals at a rate that if any proper life threatening damage is done to them it will be as if Yuu took no damage, sometimes they run out of this healing drug, but for some reason it replenishes after twelve o'clock exactly. Yuu’s checked. 
Most students avoid Yuu human or not. Yuu is dangerous, it doesn't help that Yuu has never taken off that creepy helmet that covers their whole head.. there's no telling who Yuu will attack next. Yuu’s isolation will eventually end in a metal breakdown. Yuu will start to question who they are. Will question what their role is now. Being a hammer doesn't work anymore. Are there ideals right? Are humans inherently superior? Yuu’s been stopped at every chance they have at attacking other people. Are the inhuman people? Is Yuu even human?
Yuu arrived in twisted wonderland a year before the story began becoming a sort of ghost story on campus. Ace and Deuce took a test of courage to spend a night at the old Ramshackle dorm. Grim had introduced the two to Yuu. Ace and Deuce had snuck out to hang out with Yuu every night. One day Ace Realized, why sneak out? they could just visit Yuu on their brakes. Yuu’s become unstable there in the process of questioning everything they’ve known. So it’s natural that Yuu finds comfort in the two idiots that just keep coming back to there residence.
Leona knows Yuu’s still alive. Leona was attacked by Yuu, the scariest moment of his life. All he could do was panic, Yuu is definitely a hunter who fears no injury. Most hunters hide Yuu doesn't, Leona hates that he respects Yuu, considering they stand against all the king of the beasts stand for. If Yuu were just a decent person Leona could truly respect Yuu.
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disgruntleddemon · 5 months ago
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looking through the comments on an Instagram post about Alien (1979), ohhh my god no one has any reading comprehension
"Well babies dont crawl out of your chest in childbirth" IT'S CALLED A METAPHOR!! IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 1:1 THE EXACT SAME THING AS CHILDBIRTH!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASEEE LOOK UP TBE DEFINITION OF METAPHOR
"lol you're looking to far into it stupid feminists" THE CREATORS HAVE OUTRIGHT SAID IT'S ABOUT RAPE/FORCED PREGNANCY! THE SEXUAL IMAGERY IS INTENTIONALLY THERE
"women are just soo overdramatic about pregnancy and make everything about them" I AM KILLING YOU I AM BITING YOU AND EXPLODING YOU WITH MY MIND
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vaporwavesimulator · 1 year ago
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kinda into 19th century whaling recently
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marsneedstherapy · 1 year ago
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"we get it you love chapter 45" NO BUT DO U UNDERSTANDDDD MY LOVE
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rossithepixie · 4 months ago
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Just told my roommate about the plotpoint where kenjaku tried to give gojo to the US govt as a battery and also convinced them to try and kidnap japanese citizens to also use them for batteries but it was all a ruse for us soldiers to be sent to japan to get killed by curses and used to power whatever the fuck kenjaku was up to and how this was all like a two chapter plot point and no we never talk about it again.
I wish you all could have seen their face. that plot point feels like a fucking fever dream. Am i even remembering it right? No one ever talks about it not even gege.
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thatoneandlonelyemo2005 · 1 year ago
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A quick head cannon of modern au for Newsies
Albert and Finch love to read books!
Albert is a big comic book fan and thanks to @emmedoesntdomath she suggested that Albert would be the type of guy to get that one specific comic that's worth a good chunk of money and I soul hardly agree with that
Finch gives me poetry vibes but more than often he can read anything (not me self projecting) he also vibes with Edgar Poe
They have these nights on every Friday where Albert and Finch just sit and read. It's like their date nights but not at the same time
Sometimes they'll sit together or other times they'll be on opposite sides of the room. They'll have candles going to make it smell like fall and sometimes soft music will be playing
Then one night Race comes in, he totally forgot about their nights and he had a really bad day and nothing is going right. So he walks in already telling Albert about his day but freezes to see Finch with a book of Irish love poems and Albert with his new addition of Spider-Man.
Finch sits with his feet on the coffee table and Albert is leaning on him, they look at Race and Race looks back at them
He's already stuttering an apology but both of the two tell him it's alright. Albert then sets his latest addition down and comes over or give Race and hug because even he has his bad days.
Race goes to leave but Albert stops him asking if he would like to read with them. Race is just dumbfounded "Oh, I don't know Albert, it's your date night"
"Nonsense!" Albert then rushes back to their bookshelf and grab something he'll think Race will like. He comes back and hands Race "Zita The Spacegirl", "Reading always takes my mind off of things. So maybe it could help you!"
Finch laughs at Albert and pats the space next to him on his left and Race tries to leave again muttering some stupid and false excuse but Albert takes his hand and now he's on the couch. It's not like he couldn't read, it was just... hard for him. But he was gonna give it a try since he's here.
And oh boy did he love it.
How could this cute art style wrap around his mind, the story was amazing and the characters were something that Race didn't know he needed in his life.
So now every last Friday of every Month Race joins them. He goes through all of their graphic novels and now he even buys them to share with Albert. ( he now has his own space on the book shelf)
Albert also let's him read his comic books because he know he can trust Race and Finch has showed him Green Glass House and Race was already hooked on page one of this murder mystery.
Albert and Finch didn't mind that Race came bursting through the door that one day, they do enjoy the company and plus they still get their date nights so with another person added they all read together on every last Friday of the month.
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bloodlustknight · 1 year ago
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Really tired of seeing ftm character fics where it feels as though people link having a pu**y to bottoming :/
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flyingspicerack · 2 years ago
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mm...
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peppermintdisaster · 1 year ago
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Not to put a fine point on it, but you are in fact looking for the summary. The thing that should be on the inside cover or the hardback or the back of the paperback.
"I want to know what ___ is about" go read the summary and find out!
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quadrantbreaker · 6 months ago
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lots to eroticize about the body but everyone focuses so much on flesh (meat) and blood and guts . i get it but like what about bones . bones and flesh are like siblings more specifically cain and abel core
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katyobsesses · 7 months ago
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I am British, and have only spoken British English my whole life and yet at 28 I have only just realised why a fortnight is called a fortnight
It's a contraction
Fourteen nights... Fourt- nights... Fortnight 🙄🙈🤦‍♀️
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animnightmare · 4 months ago
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Tagging onto this cause thats a really good point. Even if you dont see Ford as on the autism spectrum (wich I personally cant understand why you wouldnt but its not officially canon so w/e), ford IS starved of affection and attention.
This man has had basically nothing but failed relationships and conditional love. As unreliable of a narrator Bill can be, I do believe he wasnt lying when he said Ford was "Half a genius and half an 18 year old" who constantly needs outside praise.
"Normal person" so somone without truama? Somone neurotypical? Or just somone with the hindsight of having already SEEN the show, and yet still doesnt understand the dynamics.
"A normal person never would have fallen for Bill's manipulation"
Can this fandom stop victim blaming Ford for FIVE SECONDS?!?!?!
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