#rdr2 jamie gillis

[red-dead-simp]

[gameplaymen]

Red Dead Redemption 2 (2018) dev. Rockstar Games

[kammilu]

"Children love me"

pov: the first meeting of arthur and jamie was terrible.. the poor boy saw arthur after a week-long hunt… 😂😂

in my headcanon Arthur is a neat guy, but you can imagine what the wild nature is doing… and when you really want to see your loved one, you don’t care about cleanliness 💖😋

[arthurs-vaccine]

Shoutout to Jamie Gillis for being the #1 marthur shipper

"You know that Barry Linton's dead? 🤔 Pneumonia 😞💔 So the door's open so to speak 😏🤭"

[bronzedspring]

Chelonia and it's parallel to the Van der Linde's.

(ps. this is a hot take.)

On the surface, Chelonian's and the Van der Linde gang are two completely different contrasting ideologies: Chelonia is a religion that is a "menace to all (our) liberty" because it goes against the usual Christianity and "Dutch's Boys" are "infamous killers". That's all in the headlines, the papers, the view most of society will interpretate these groups like.

They recruit people almost identically. Actively recruiting the young and feeble men and feeding mush into their brains to devotion. Your trust is in this formation and you'll die for this formation happily as it's expected of you. The greater of the two "evils", because turning your back against the pact is turning your back against freedom. Or, so is believed.

Both Helgerson and Dutch also preach similar ideologies.

Anders Helgerson is the messiah to Chelonia. He idolises the belief that this wisdom of the cult and the master will shine the dark out of mans heart, only if you listen in to this and this alone. That there is a land there for them, Chelonia, that you will only reach if you have faith.

Dutch is no different come to the games events. He preaches Evelyn Millers words, writes his own speeches he has no doubted-ly preached time and time again, always insisting on the same faith that's kept them stringed together. He also says that there's a land out there for them, Tahiti.

Jamie and Arthur are also a nice parallel to note too. Buried so head deep into this life that begun as being so open to these profound beliefs probably unimaginably good to prior lifestyles. Any outside "threat" attempting to convince them otherwise has them instinctively defending this belief, an unreliable narrative, but when they come face-to-face with the reality of their situations (i.e.: Dutch's revenge plan on Bronte contrasting "revenge is a fools game" & The initial shock Jamie goes through after pointing a gun at himself) doubt seeps through. This fog of false clarity they've both been under begins to dim.

I'll talk about their parallels at a later time, but it really outstands me how they both yearn for the same things. A better future. Mary, too.

[nthspecialll]

Arthur's first chance at fatherhood

Jamie and Arthur's relationship means so much to me because even though Arthur is not his father, he still was more of a father than his actual father in many ways and Jamie was most likely also Arthur's first chance at fatherhood.

Mary and Arthur met when they were teens, and when they dated it was pretty clear that Arthur took a fondness to Jamie and took the time not only to be around Mary but also to teach Jamie to ride and who knows what else. This could not have been an easy thing seeing as they would have had to meet someplace where Jamie and Mary's actual father would not find them.

The mission with Jamie will never not be one of my favorites because it shows just how fond Arthur is of him. Not only does he say that Mary should let the boy live his life as he pleases and not how he is meant to but also because of the absolute fright you can see in Arthur's eyes when Jamie threatens to kill himself. He is once again seeing "his son" balance the fine line of life and death.

Also in a time when suicide was seen as a sin, Arthur handles it really well, he doesn't taunt Jamie or talk down to him or anything similar, he treats Jamie kindly and you can also immediately hear the change in music to one of the most calm and comfortable that there is to be found in the entire game.

The two's whole dynamic is also so special to me because you can really feel the dynamic between them, how peaceful and natural it is. I personally often feel with a lot of other smaller characters that Arthur takes a backseat in the conversations and only answers shortly and often quite minimally, but with Jamie he talks a lot, offers advice and tries to help Jamie find out what he wants.

[notsofriendlyfriendlyreminder]

OK SO IMAGINE THIS.

Mary's father is a drunk. An awful drunk. Jamie is not enough to hold Mary home. Arthur, during their many fights, tells her "Well you always can run with us."

And in this universe she does.

And she changes, she hardens, she learns how to shoot a gun and how to properlylisten to Grimshaw. She drinks with Karen, plays dominoes with Tilly and reads with Mary-Beth.

She helps Sadie to get back on her feet.

She understands Molly.

Abigail cries on her shoulder when John leaves.

She and Arthur stay together and maybe, in the end, the love they share is stronger than everything that held Arthur with the gang.

Maybe they tail right after John and Abigail. Or maybe they go up north with the Wapiti. Maybe they went to Mexico. Maybe they got so lost no one ever found them again.

But on the other side is Jamie. Jamie, who lost the sight of the good for the world, who was the one to witness his father get drunk again and again, to sell everything that was left of not only his mother but also his sister.

Who left him.

They all left him, by death, by running away, by letting their soul be drowned in alcohol.

And it's not the cult that drags Jamie away, it's his own heart being abandoned, deciding it will never happen again.

How does a young boy survive in this day and age?

By learning how to shoot a gun.

How does young man make money?

By picking up job postings everywhere he can.

And how does a man commit revenge on his sister, who he loves dearly but who run away with a gang?

By becoming a bounty hunter.

[spiders-gorge]

the irony of arthur giving jamie gillis shit for donating money to the chelonians

[ranna-alga]

I admittedly got into RDR2 five years late and I remember being confused seeing older comments of fans completely dogpiling on Mary Linton (née Gillis - a character who I interpreted much differently than these users did), but assumed maybe people would have grown up a bit since then and understand Mary better. Unfortunately, I still see so many people completely misunderstand and shit on Mary's character and I want to talk about it (this meta will be my opinion AND biased as a Mary defender, but idc)

I cannot stand it when people, particularly male fans, call Mary "manipulative" or someone who just "uses Arthur when it's convenient to her" because that just isn't true, and it really shows that a lot of the people who just trash on her have no idea what they are actually talking about.

Labelling her as someone who uses Arthur just for her own personal conveniences makes no sense when you consider the fact that so many other characters, including members of the Van der Linde gang, have also asked Arthur to do things for them, including requests that are much worse than anything Mary could have asked for (you know, like Strauss for example?). Not only that, but if Arthur rejects Mary's help, she doesn't get angry - if anything, she understands why he may be reluctant to help her. If Mary truly only wanted to use Arthur, she wouldn't have shown how grateful she was for his help and how much she truly did miss spending time with him by asking him out on a date to the theatre.

And to those who criticise her for not being able to leave her family sooner: do you... not remember the time period this story is set in? All of RDR2 (1899 - 1907) takes place before women got electoral equality with men (1928) and during the main story's time, women were very much under the control of their husbands - or their fathers if they were not married. A big reason as to why Arthur wasn't able to marry Mary in the first place when they were courting each other was because her father didn't approve of his outlaw lifestyle.

Even if she had more of her own autonomy, we must remember that Mary is part of an abusive family unit. She often tries to excuse her father's terrible actions even though she knows how awful of a man he has become over the years. She is isolated and is hopping from one temporary shelter to another (Valentine, Saint Denis, etc) - she is a widow, she cannot depend on her father obviously, she cannot depend on her mother since she died, nor could she depend on her brother Jamie since perhaps she thought that she was meant to be the source of dependency as the older sibling. Mary said it herself in her goodbye letter (if Arthur rejects to help her) that she truly had no one else to turn to. Arthur was literally the only other person she could ask help from and even then, it seemed like a last resort after not interacting with each other for many years before her first mission and her being apologetic for taking up his time.

Mary holds a lot of regret and remorse for how things ended and it is clear she still thinks about what could have been between her and Arthur. When she fully accepts that she doesn't want to continue living such a miserable life because of her family, she makes a big leap in suggesting she and Arthur run away together, a parallel to Arthur's proposal years before, showing that she has grown and no longer wants to accept a life she feels trapped in.

People who criticise Mary for not being able to leave her family + the life she has always known behind should also consider how Arthur is the exact same. He is as much of a victim of this unfair circumstance as Mary is, but we have seen how he couldn't leave the gang life behind. It was what he died for, after all. He failed to meet the promise he made to Mary that he would run away with her after getting some money and ensuring the gang members' safety - which technically isn't his fault since this was pre-Guarma, but Mary couldn't have known about that. To her, he kept making promises he couldn't keep/getting dragged into violent crime life and she couldn't bear to continue having false hope anymore.

It's a shame that Mary has been given such a bad rap by certain fans who have mischaracterised her. Her story is a sad one and so is her love story with Arthur. I will always love and defend Mary (+ the other main female characters of RDR2) and I truly wonder how different her and Arthur's lives would have been if they managed to run away and get married (TB ideally excluded) and how happy they would have been.

[heavenlymorals]

One big clue we got about Jamie's age is the fact that he will be going to college soon. During this time period, a lot of kids went to college in their teens, some as young as thirteen and got their degrees at 17 or 18. He might be in his twenties, but his irrational decisions do feel like a teenage boy lashing out. Arthur also calls him son, indicating that he is still a 'boy'. Arthur also taught him how to ride, which was learned pretty early on in life back then, either as a kid or young teen.

There isn't a specific age mentioned for Jamie, but given the context he's either in his late teen years or very early twenties.

Question: How Old is Jamie Gillis?

Does anyone have an idea how old Jamie Gillis (Mary’s brother that Arthur rescues from the cult) could be? I have a hard time deciphering it because of how he tells Arthur that he always liked him, so he must’ve been young enough to remember Arthur he dated his sister. So I’m thinking he’s in his 20’s but I don’t know if it could be early 20’s, mid 20’s, or late 20’s (maybe John’s age idk). He kind of seems younger but I don’t know. Someone please give me some insight. Thanks!

[gameplaydaily]

It's okay kid.

[heyyoudevilslittlesister]

I love seeing Arthur get hugs.

Arthur needs all the hugs.

[ato-dato]

not me starting to like mary linton a bit  :(

[byrnisonferret]

We loved once and true

[coldmorte]

I had no idea this was possible... 

[strandsofgold]

i keep thinking about arthur trying to convince jamie that he's good at something and jamie just giving him absolutely nothing to work with. fucking "i like apples," i'm dying.