#pro haylijah

[tzarrion]

There's a perfectly valid reason to dislike Hayley Marshall leaving twelve innocent hybrids to be slaughtered

However I have yet to see an anti-Hayley post or person actually bring it up. Funny ain't it how that works.

[dumbblondeposts]

a semi big rant about klayley

Since I'm bitter and bored i wanted to give a deep dive into klayley's relationship because no one gets them like i do

First things first, Klayley is NOT platonic and it's absolutely hilarious and obliterates Klaus's entire redemption arc to think so

We all know the main focus when it came to Klaus's character was the way fatherhood changed him/made him want to be better

The reason i said thinking klayley is platonic literally ruins his redemption arc which is basically the main plot of the show in many ways is season 2

Season 2 genuinely makes it impossible to say his relationship with Hayley was platonic,

1) Klaus was insanely adamant about Hayley not getting married, my guy literally wanted Jackson dead the second he got married to hayley lmao / tried to kill him after beating the dog shit out of him to stop him from marrying Hayley so it's safe to say the thought alone enraged him

2) his lame excuse for his jealousy was once again hope, because his ass can't admit he even cared for Hayley if his life depended on it , his excuse was " Jackson knowing about hope puts her life at risk" add to that the fact he literally murdered his biological father because he was terrified of the POSSIBILITY it MIGHT put his daughter's life in danger and mind you he actually loved his dad and was in tears when he killed him

3) he actually steps aside and lets Hayley marry Jackson, now Klaus paranoid Mikaelson who was gutted to kill someone he loves to protect hope from something that might or might not have happened actually allows the marriage to happen and let Jackson live even after securing the wolf army so Hayley won't hate him

If you say his jealousy was about hope and not mainly Hayley you're literally saying Klaus cared more about Hayley's feelings than his own daughter's life and more than having a good relationship with hope because after all his excuses he couldn't hurt Hayley and didn't want to lose her

That alone literally takes away so much from his character and it's a very dumb take

Now i personally believe he actually loved Hayley more than hope but that's a different conversation

But i still understand that he wouldn't put Hayley's feelings above his daughter's fucking life or above having a decent relationship with hope especially since he doesn't give a fuck about Jackson unlike with Elijah

And this is only one of the many proofs Klaus's jealousy was about Hayley therefore you can't pull the platonic card unless you want to butcher Klaus's character

Season one is Klayley's best season alongside season 2 tbh because if you watch it and still can't see how in love they were you should rewatch it

It also shows his jealousy was about Hayley and not the baby

You have Klaus ask Hayley about her interest in Elijah and is actually hurt by her response in 1x03

The moment he feels they're getting closer in 1x07 he bites his brother and leaves Hayley with him knowing damn well dementia would kick in and Elijah could seriously hurt/kill Hayley and that means his child that he made such a fuss about would die

Now if he didn't give a fuck about Hayley personally why the fuck would he put his child's life in danger out of jealousy

He then goes to lock her away from his family and assigns literal bodyguards to watch her likeeee that man was insane

What made me laugh was the way even after he bites his brother and puts Hayley and hope's life at risk because he's a

man child, Hayley was literally telling him she wants to believe in him and to not let HER down (5x08 flashback)

Like he throws a tantrum that could've gotten her and her baby killed and she's still telling him that despite him not giving her any reasons to believe in him she WANTS to , if not for her feelings for him why on earth would she tell a man Who almost killed her for wanting an abortion and almost killed her again out of jealousy that she's desperate to have faith in him

And now i do not in any way think choking her for wanting an abortion is okay and i do realize their relationship was initially very problematic

But the funny thing is that after he almost killed her for wanting said abortion she was fucking smiling and happy because he promised her to fix the air conditioning 💀

Like he got her giggling and kicking her feet after he almost killed her because he said he'd fix the air conditioning

Down bad is an understatement

We move to 1x11

In the middle of a literal apocalypse, everyone is losing their shit because the world's ending and Mr "i don't care about Hayley" is literally carrying food boxes with her because his ass couldn't watch her cry

What's funny is that he not only tries to comfort her but he actually gives her advice on how to make things right with Elijah

And he's the Same person who has been whining about Hayley loving Elijah and how it's about "his child"

If he really didn't care about her he will not give a shit about Hayley being sad over something dumb in the middle of an apocalypse

And if it were about hope, the most logical thing is for him to not react because at the end of the day it works in his favor if Hayley and Elijah's relationship is ruined

So why on earth would he risk not having the relationship he wants with hope to help Hayley with the Same thing he's worried about just because she's sad

1+1= his jealousy was never about hope as much as it was about Hayley because he ends up choosing Hayley over and over again

And my 2nd favorite klayley moment in season 1 which is 1x20

Klaus is unhinged, now when hope's life was in danger that episode he literally says he'll "rip it out of her himself" and he's insane enough to do it but funny enough when Genevieve tells him that means Hayley dies he backs off instantly

He's literally presented with a choice between Hayley and hope and he chooses Hayley

Which takes me to the ultimate Klayley moment in the entire show that supports the fact he actually cared more about Hayley

The finale of season 1

His daughter gets taken to be killed, and he chooses to mourn Hayley's death

Something Marcel said about Klaus is that he's the best at mourning and taking action at the same time

Yet when his daughter could be sacrificed at any moment by those witches he can't move away from Hayley's corpse

Jesus,i repeat, his child was taken to be killed and he's so insanely in pain about losing Hayley that he chooses to hold her dead body as close to him as possible instead of taking immediate action

From night to morning he didn't do shit to save hope until Elijah's annoying ass came in with his dumb monologue

Now season 2 my beloved, i already explained why season two makes it impossible and very dumb to say they were besties which is why the writers never once in the entire show ever say or even imply klayley is platonic and Why one of the show runners straight up say they have a very complicated relationship/there's attraction

And Joseph Morgan talks about Klaus having romantic tension with Hayley

Now to one of my favorite parts of season 2 is the way the writers begin ruining haylijah's relationship and it's incredibly hilarious because i don't think even they realized it as much

We know that Klaus and Hayley aren't talking after giving hope away

We also know Hayley's not adjusting to vampirism and is clearly depressed

Elijah,the man she supposedly "loves" couldn't help her , he doesn't know what to say or do and she isn't even allowing him to help her

She's lashing out at him and pushing him away

And lmao because Elijah doesn't actually have a real connection with her he BEGS Klaus to talk to her and straight up admits only Klaus can understand her

I mean if you have to beg your brother to help the girl you love because even you can see they have a better connection with her than you do that's embarrassing

And also funny enough Klaus succeeds where Elijah fails

Hayley who was throwing a tantrum anytime Elijah breathed next to her was so eager to actually let Klaus comfort her after he hasn't talked to her in months

And where Elijah was upset that Hayley isn't the perfect girl who redeemed his brother that he put on a pedestal anymore he tries too hard to "fix" her

Meanwhile Klaus was taking her to kill witches to make her feel better and was literally proud of her😭

Showing who actually loved her for who she is

And mind you Klaus wasn't liking it when Camille was having her "rebellious vampire stage" yet he was smiling when he talked about the way Hayley brutally murdered people

Because he too put cami on a pedestal in a way just like Elijah did with Hayley

They both loved the version of cami/ Hayley they had in their head

Hayley who pushed Elijah away gladly welcomed Klaus's different attempts to help her

He didn't mind taking her to kill people if it made her happy but when that failed he pushed her towards leading her pack again

And she didn't have faith in herself, she didn't think she'd be a good leader but he still believed in her and only then she too finally believed in herself

Something that Elijah tried for months to do but failed and Klaus did it in less than a day

That's proof enough she valued Klaus above Elijah and cared more about what he thinks

And god season 2 was peak klayley angst

So in 2x13 hope is almost murdered by Finn/blown up in that explosion

Hayley decides to leave then as she should

But when Klaus asks her to stay she does

Like her ass was so in love with him that she ignored the fact hope could've died as a result of all the crazy family drama because Klaus wanted her to stay

That woman was down bad for him

In 2x12 Hayley had just broken up with Elijah and is supposed to marry another man and she was crying and throwing up because Klaus is not "letting her in"

Now me personally if i supposedly broke up with the love of my life to marry this new guy i wouldn't be crying in the woods because my ex's brother who tried to kill me twice because he's insane is pushing me away but I don't know about you

They're such good "friends" right?

Hayley taking hope away was literally about Klaus pushing her away again

After she agrees to stay with him she threatens to leave if Klaus ruins it with her one more time

And when he gets too paranoid in s2 and pushes everyone including Elijah away and then takes the blame for Aiden's death only then she leaves

She literally gets fed up of forgiving him and giving him second chances and decides to abandon Elijah(again she's supposed to be "in love") and Rebekah who protected hope for months and leaves the Mikaelsons behind because she felt like she lost her connection to Klaus

Proving Klaus was more important to her than Elijah and the Mikaelsons as a whole

Also it's deliciously angsty how Klaus was so terrified of Hayley leaving him that he tried to turn her pack against her so that she has no option other than staying with him

Yet his fear of losing her is what ends up driving her away

It's also confirmed by one of the show runners that Klaus did all that drama later on to save Hayley from dahlia

Dahlia wanted Hayley dead and even when she decided to leave him after he considered her family and was ready to do anything for her he still chose to save her life and convinced dahlia to curse her instead

Now Klaus is fucked in the head if that man wanted real revenge he would've killed Jackson and her entire pack but he still spared them because not even after her betrayal could he manage to actually hurt her feelings that way

Now to say my last piece especially about the other dumb ships

And more into Miss Hayley's perspective:

Hayley's reasons for "loving" Elijah is that he was kind to her/is a good person (exact same reasons she loved Jackson)

And it's something Hayley herself admits, when Klaus asks why the sudden interest she says "he was kind to me" she says she thinks Elijah is in no way like Klaus and is "better" in 1x07

All superficial dumb reasons that show she doesn't know Elijah and only romanticized the idea of him because Klaus was both horrible and unavailable

In season 4 she talks about how she was pulled towards Elijah cause he made her safe at a Time she WAS scared of Klaus

She's literally having a dilemma in season 4 and breaks up With Elijah after entering his mind

She faces Elijah when he first turned and had absolutely no control over his blood lust

Seeing him fall off the pedestal she put him on shatters her perception of him and makes her partially aware of the delusion she was in

Yet despite everything Klaus has done which is genuinely way fucking worse given that the real Elijah never did and would never hurt her in any way

She was still risking her life for him at every possible chance knowing she has a Whole daughter

In season 5 , we know Klaus was dropping dead bodies like it's nothing, he was massacring people to the point rumours about him losing his mind started to float , you can imagine how bad it was

And Hayley was still defending him😃

He literally abandoned her and their daughter for YEARS and when hope was rightfully upset, Hayley still sided with him and her big excuse was that "but he's really sad☹���"

Lmfao she broke up with Elijah because he's not the knight in shining armor she thought he was but when Klaus was going on murder sprees she sends him letters telling him she misses him

And he never read her letters, she kept writing to him knowing damn well he's just gonna return them

She loved him that fucking much

Now I've already talked about how Hayley very obviously loved Klaus way more than she ever loved Elijah

He was a safe choice/ placeholder for Klaus

She chose Jackson over him, she straight up says she would chose Jackson over Elijah again in season 3

She valued having a decent relationship with Klaus over Elijah in season 2 by leaving his ass because she was having an imaginary divorce with Klaus

Elijah only fell for her because he saw her as his family's and most importantly Klaus's savior since she carried his child

He at first loved her out of nowhere and for no fucking reason yet without his memories of his family and despite already meeting her and having a somehow intimate moment with her he ends up killing her because he cared more about Antoinette

Proving ultimately the only reason he "loved" her is his weird obsession with his brother

And when he didn't remember his family he chose Antoinette over Hayley despite having met her before

Klamille was decent,

Klaus was genuinely irritated when she started to not act like the version of her he "loved" as a vampire and he Said shit like "this isn't you" despite enjoying that same "darkness" in Hayley

The ship lacked more development/screen time and it's obvious she was put there as just a love interest

She didn't contribute to his character at all

The only, i repeat only characters to actually change Klaus were Hayley and Hope

Klaroline, lmao , can't believe i have to talk about them but god the shippers are insufferable and delusional

Klaroline's entire "relationship" is on the same exact level as tvd klayley before all the development on the originals

He's infatuated with them both except with Hayley it was explained and made sense ,

At that point Klaus knew of Caroline and he didn't give a shit which is Why it's dumb how he didn't give a fuck about her and attempted to kill her but out of nowhere had a crush on a random 18 year old he didn't know anything personal about, and throughout their entire "thing" he still never got to actually know her which is Why he thought having a simple life wasn't "enough" for her even tho she chose the said simple life with Tyler over him

She even celebrated his death at some point lmao

Klaus was never in love With Caroline just like he wasn't immediately in love With Hayley (!on the vampire diaries)

Now with Hayley he acknowledged how attractive she is the moment he saw her on tvd 4x03

She challenges him and he admires her courage to stand up to him when he first gave her her nickname

What makes klaroline not exactly special and on the same level as tvd klayley is that A not only does Caroline makes it perfectly clear she didn't like him or the "bad boy" type anymore after what Damon does to her

I mean even with how horrible Damon was she still forgives him and they become "friends"

It's who she is, she had plenty of time and chances to seek Klaus out and she didn't even after years of Stefan's death

She has compassion for him after seeing his struggles as a parent and it makes him worthy of something a bit better just like she admits she forgave Damon because she found a common ground with him (Loving Liz)

Now tvd Klaus whose life and his loved ones lives were in danger when the cure was out

And only Hayley could get him to Katherine and the cure and he was still so weirdly gentle When "interrogating" her even she questions it and he admits it's because it's her(basically she's hot lol)

She has insanely valuable information he desperately needs as his life depends on it and he was flirting with her instead

He could of used his knowledge of her real origins as a way to get her to talk because she hasn't told him shit yet but he instead tells her that randomly and then let her go

So saying Klaus loved a crush more than the woman he came back to the city to save knowing it can cause an apocalypse and chose to mourn her death over saving his daughter's life is way too insane

In conclusion Klayley>>>

[sapphicsdonowrong]

DNI: TVD Edition

You think that Klaroline was the healthiest and most well-written relationship on the show

You think that Matt Donovan was the worst and most annoying character on the show

You say that Bonnie Bennett was unfairly treated but then have the audacity to say that Elena Gilbert, Katherine Pierce, Vicki Donovan and Hayley Marshall weren’t done dirty at all and deserved everything they got

Jeremy Gilbert was genuinely your favourite character

You think that Elijah Mikaelson was a noble and moral person just because he wears suits and talks down to anyone who doesn’t share his blood

You thought that Damon Salvatore’s horrible actions were justified because he stalked and obsessed over a girl who was clearly into his brother

You think that the Mikaelson’s ( mainly Klaus and Elijah’s ) cruelty was completely fine because they pUt FaMiLy fIrSt, when they constantly daggered each other and had an unhealthy obsession with their technically teenage sister’s love life

You think that Vicki Donovan, an extremely troubled young girl with bad family issues and a drug problem, deserved to die at the hands of a 160 year old monster because you found her problems annoying

You don’t think that Katherine Pierce deserved any sympathy, despite her enduring a borderline abusive father, having her child ripped away from her, being banished and sent to an unfamiliar country in disgrace, being taken advantage of by two men who then tried to murder her, having to be on the run for hundreds of years, falling in love with a man who she had to leave, being captured by hunters, having the man who once loved her fall in love with her doppelgänger, having the cure shoved down her throat, being hunted by a 2000 year old psycho, start the agonising process of quick aging, becoming suicidal and trying to jump off a clock tower, having her daughter die in her arms, going to hell whilst Klaus Mikaelson went to heaven and never having anyone truly care about her for an extended period of time unless they wanted to get in bed with her

You hate Elena Gilbert but stan one or both of the Salvatore brothers and/or Caroline Forbes

You think that Rebekah Mikaelson was whiny for wanting love outside of her toxic ass family

You think that post s4 Elena Gilbert was better than s1-s3 Elena Gilbert

You can’t tell the difference between disliking Tyler Lockwood because of his often pig-headed personality but still sympathising with him due to Klaus’ mistreatment of him and believing that his character had no flaws and that Forwood was a great ship with no issues whatsoever.

Hope you agree with at least some of these opinions, might do a part 2 as I have many more views on tvd.

[beautyinsteadofashes]

the annoying moment when your “Easy Show” Pitts your two least favourite characters and most toxic ships/shippers/fandoms against each other and against the main toxic ship and so even though you kinda like parts of one guy you’re stuck in the middle of this awkward war where you don’t really agree with either side. it’s exhausting

[eternityunicorn]

Daniel definately has amaze kiss game! Especially w Nina! Kalijah my heart! Expect w the girl who was the wolf. He always looked so awkward and uncomfortable kissing her! And they made him do it so much for people to like her and never worked.

Yes! Mr. Gillies seems to be an amazing kisser. He certainly did have chemistry with Ms. Nina. I also agree that this wasn’t true with Hayley. I am of the same opinion that it was uncomfortable and awkward. I’m definitely anti-Haylijah, but pro-every other Elijah pairing...lol!

Thanks for the ask! I hope you’re well and please, stay safe!

[sicklyscribe]

do you have a haylijah meta?

I talked about haylijah a lot, but not always in ways that shippers appreciated. My most pro-HE post was actually a scene rewrite of the time when Elijah is sick with Klaus’ bite! I really love what I did with that. Another post that shippers tended to like? Maybe? is when I defended Klaus’ obsession with their relationship, or why he always talked about them as an item and seemed to want them to be together.

I’ll find and reblog those posts for you so you don’t have to wade through my “#amy talks ships” tag, but if you want any more ship talk that’s where you’ll find it! I rarely posted my analysis in the main tags of ships because I wasn’t shipping or necessarily supporting the ship, so I made a separate tag for all the ship talk I did write.

[dontbeallupinmyfriesdawg]

Do you remember when TO started and we were all so bitter about Klamille and Haylijah? And now we don't care? I feel like Steroliners are still in that phase of hate. Eventually theyll get over themselves, get out of our tags and move the hell along. But in the meantime they're being hella disrespectful. Notice how we don't have conflict with Klamille shippers anymore? Like hello take a page out of their book ffs

Do you wanna know something? I care soooo little about H*lijah now. Don’t get me wrong I still despise them but I’ve accepted that they’re never going to make Kalijah happen after they copped out on it on the show and even if they did Plec would probably find a way to destroy it. 

As for Kl*mille the only reason it bothered me as such was because it was such a blatant Klaroline rip off/replacement and Camille was clearly just supposed to be a moral pet to perch on Klaus’ shoulder and assure him of what a good person he was but I never really saw it as a threat. It was almost as if the writers were dangling the ship in the CKers faces but never actually following through, the kiss was so anti-climatic and the ily was ridiculously half-hearted. It was just so one-sided and just, yawn…

Besides, I think most people were bitter because TO had such promise. Aside from the ships, we could have had an interesting show about the Original sibling, their origin, Marcel + Davina and all the drama in the Quarter. 

Instead, we got a show that revolves around Queen Baby Mama of the Wolves Hayley and her magical offspring.

I get why the SCers are upset, first off St*roline was never written properly, to begin with. It was so one-sided, rushed, Stefan never put her first and literally had to be talked into dating her. I personally felt Caroline was very diminished but that’s my personal opinion.

In all honesty, it must be horrid to finally have your ship to be canon and then to have one person just die like that. As a Stefan fan myself, his death majorly pissed me off, especially when trash bag Damon got to live happily every after and then FIND PEACE FFS.

As for the whole tag situation, the majority of SCers are tagging their stuff as anti it’s just the one person that I pointed ou that actually put their anti post in the Klaroline tag. The # system isn’t working so if I type the words ‘#anti damon’ then it will still appear in the pro Damon tags. My thing is the number of gifsets I’ve seen, dedicated solely to invalidate KC is mind blowing. 

The only problem I ever had with the CKers is that a bunch of them got pissed and spammed my inbox because of the same tagging problem and they thought I was posting in their tags when actually it was the same word identification issue.

I just feel like between TVD and TO we were all screwed over one way or the other. Once tumblr fixes the tags, if everyone just stays in their own lane and minds their business, the world will be a better place.

[medschoolash]

Obviously you're allowed to think whatever you want about things you don't ship, but it's not too much to ask that you would tag any more anti-haylijah asks that you answer, so that they don't end up in the pro tag.

I could have swore I tagged the ones that I got. If i forgot then oh well. My eyes had to be treated to that gross ass ship for 3 seasons, you’ll survive a little untagged post. 

[thelittlegirlinwonderland]

You're allowed have your opinion about your notps, but you need to tag them better, so they don't invade the haylijah tag. Even if you tag it with "anti" it still ends up in the pro tags. As long as the name "haylijah" isn't in the tag, whatever else works. I respect your difference of opinion but for the sake of avoiding any ship that wars, your posts need to be tagged more correctly.

I thought I did tag them properly. I’m not really sure how the whole thing works. My bad, darling

[klarolinedrabbles]

what did Andy say? He is pro Haylijah and Klaroline, right?

What was Andy's post?? Can you give us the link please!! Thanks! (I'm loving how fast you answer the anon questions!)

Idk what he is, lmao. But this morning he said that in honor of TVD’s dramatic nupitals, he gave a list of 15 nightmare wedding’s, lmaooo. (x)