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ezamevolni · 1 year ago

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Traces: 2jin detour

So this post is strongly speculative and theory-based. Meaning that I'm reaching for the connections. But after spotting some interesting correlations between the events when placed on the same timeline, I'm putting this out there so maybe the you who's reading could take a look and tell whether there's truly a thread here.

One of my favorite YT Jinkookers moonbathingrite had made a great video that opened my eyes to the possibility of 2jin being a thing before Jin and Jungkook. (Note: she never said that they were, but did present interesting parallels between 2jin and Jinkook who came later)

2jin is the ship name for Kim Seokjin and Jin Hyosang.

Jin Hyosang, also known as Kidoh (ex-member of Toppdogg), used to be a BigHit trainee and was in the same underground rap group (DamNamhyup) as RM. He was actually in one of the final lineups for Bangtan (based off a poster) but joined Stardom Ent. some time in late 2012. The likeliest reason for switching agencies probably had to do with creative issues since BTS did go through a major revamp before debut - the original lineup of 'rappers only' eventually turned into a choreography heavy, idol group.

Kidoh was able to start releasing mixtapes with his new members in March and April of 2013, and later debuted officially in October. If you look at Toppdogg's debut album, Kidoh had writing credits on almost every single one of them. He even had a solo track, which was a major indicator of how much the agency was planning on pushing him.

Kidoh's connection to Jin is one of the rarer K-Pop phenomenons I've seen - fans shipping two male idols from different rookie groups right out the gate. This was mainly bolstered by Kidoh's fans all being acutely aware of how extremely infatuated he was with Jin, and Kidoh's encouraging responses. There was even something of a love triangle being touted back in 2013 between Kidoh, Jin and Rap Monster 😐 Ancient times were different 😺

So fan spectacle aside, how credible was 2jin being an actual item?

Truthfully, not very much. Because the affection was simply too lopsided to call it a relationship. Kidoh seemed enamored by Jin but Jin was generally aloof and cavalier in return. Of course, you could argue that Jin had always been a master of disguising his emotions but taking into account their careers at the time, it would have been impossible to date anyway (even if they wanted to).

For a more comprehensive history on 2jin's social media interactions, you could check out this 2jin blog - here (look at the number of notes under each post...considering the small fanbases att and this being the international side, it's impressive)

And if interested, here's an overview of predebut BTS - reddit

And if you're wondering why I'm bringing an ex-idol/trainee/friend into the picture, stay with me :)

Jin moved into Bighit's dorm on July 29, 2012 and the very next day, Kidoh tweeted about Jin:

When Jin...or maybe not Jin, tweeted using the group account at the end of 2012:

Kidoh possibly already left BigHit by then

Commenting on a post by BTS_twt with a candid snap of Jin:

Kidoh's tweets about Jin were always harmless but had just that unnecessary hint of... attentiveness?

So with these social media traces, his affection for Jin was known since their trainee days. He had left enough crumbs online for the shippers to gather rapidly in their debut year.

On a related note, it's amusing how there's essentially no traces of Kidoh and Namjoon's friendship despite these two being in the same underground rap group far longer than either ever knew Seokjin. Joon was there the whole time and yet, there's no signs of the rappers knowing each other. In fact, they barely interacted during their special collab stage for Show Champion in 2014.

And it might have been fine to label his affection for Jin as overly-affectionate-best-friend feels, but Kidoh definitely toed the line at times:

One more picture! Gay goosebumps..

And maybe Seokjin was also aware of the possibility of Hyosang being romantically interested in him because

Fan: Seokjinnie oppa! Who is Jin Hyosang to oppa?

Jin: not gay haha

TBH I had doubted the credibility of the post it at first because I found it on a 2015 tweet:

But I did spot this translation from way back in 2013:

Jin's response is incredibly telling of the whole situation because first of all, he had to be aware of what the fans were thinking when they asked him the question. Secondly, he skipped over several thoughts to arrive at 'I'm not gay' because the question wasn't asking if he was??

(and the response is so deeply closeted iykwim)

Meanwhile Kidoh was on another wavelength:

Q: What is Seokjin-shii for Hyosang? K: Destiny

Personally... I've heard best friends refer to each other as 'soulmates' before, but never 'destiny'. His answer seemed to imply another layer to their friendship.

Another interesting aspect of 2jin was the way Jin used to tweet about Kidoh, where his habits later carried over when he was tweeting about Jungkook.

For example, Jin would add his name to the end of a sentence:

I am too, fascinated-jin #kimseokjinhyosang

@/BTS_twt My friend is debuting, its fascinating-jin..

Jin's tweet for Jk's birthday in 2013:

Jungkook-ah Hyung will always be on your side I love you-jin Happy Birthday!

It's like his little watermark to say he was the one who tweeted.

And that hashtag #kimseokjinhyosang conjoining the two of their names <3

That's a thing Jin once did during mid-2016 on the day of Jinkook's waterpark date.

Seokkookie

And of course it's cuter when Jin did it for Jk and himself, because it was half and half of their names. He will cram them together even if none of the alphabets are the same ❤️

These little things that Jin would do for his closest person/friend remained constant but of course, the two relationships were probably not of the same nature.

The difference mainly being Jin - his attitude towards Hyosang and Jungkook was like if you compared night and day. Indifference vs great affection.

Here's another set of 2jin post its famous for the contrast:

Q: What do you like about BTS' Seokjinie oppa?? K: Lips .. (Shy)

The similarity of his answers to our younger protagonist is surreal.

...And here's Jin's answer to the same question posed of Kidoh:

Q: Hyosang said he likes your lips the most. What do you like the most about Hyosang? J: Money

He's consistent. Still focused on moneys when it comes to other people 🤣😋

Other than these traces of the 2jin friendship, you can explore their lore further on the blog linked above. You'd understand what I meant by how Kidoh 'encouraged' the shippers. Jin lived rent free on his mind.. he got mentioned even when Kidoh was interacting with fans on entirely unrelated topics. It didn't seem like fan service because the moments were so random and neither of them seemed to actually care about the reaction.

There's also some Yt compilations comparing how similar 2jin's personalities were, both a little eccentric, loud and confident about their looks. It is easy to tell why they clicked.

So it's interesting how Kidoh appeared rather infatuated with Jin.. which Jungkook's attitude resembled at times. Everything else aside, his focus on Jin lasted throughout their trainee period together up to the last second of their fallout.

Considering how forward Kidoh was and how they'd still meet each other backstage at music shows, it's certainly possible that members of both teams had observed 2jin's interactions and knew about their close friendship. And for someone who was in close proximity to Jin and paid him a lot of attention, he might know they're close and perhaps had wondered about the nature of the two 92-liners' relationship.

The fallout seemed to happen out of the blue.

On November 8, 2014 Jin and Kidoh still seemed fine and had taken a selfie together

And on Jin's birthday, Kidoh tweeted a polaroid of themselves and a short message:

Isn't it funny how they looked like twins

Then before the year could come to an end, BTS_twt was discovered to have unfollowed Kidoh.

Shippers who were watching 2jin's moves saw that Kidoh also deleted many of his posts related to Jin. Following this, on Christmas Eve he tweeted:

Lamenting how he was single and surrounded by couples.

Whether it's actually related to Jin or not, I can't say. But the timing of the tweet did coincide with his abrupt disconnection from Jin. And sadly these two had never interacted, or at least publicly, ever again after December 2014.

And on a very loosely related note, Jungkook had posted his cover of Crush's Sofa on Dec 16 that year

Which was a melancholic breakup song speaking from the perspective of someone who's clearly been dumped.

As armys we know more than to dismiss the lyrics of Jk's cover songs right... so the timing of this cover seemed pretty interesting in the scheme of things.

So that's something to think about there.

My own loose theory is that there was something more than friends there going on but not enough to call it an official relationship. And for the sudden 'breakup', it could be anything. Maybe it was business - had to do with Kidoh's lawsuit that surfaced half a year later, or personal - a failed confession... the possibilities are whichever you believe in. (My dream is for Seokjin to publish an autobiography at the age of 40 and spill all the tea) As for how Jk fits in... I have no idea how much he knew (did he ever ask or did Jin ever tell), but that lil cover showed he was probably aware of events in this arena.

LOL Didn't I say that I was reaching 😋

And unfortunately, the story for Hyosang kind of kept going downhill for a while. The following year, he filed a lawsuit against his agency for mismanagement of his career, and then in 2016, was convicted for drug use along with ex-Bighit trainee Iron.

After the ordeal, he returned to the industry as a producer for AOMG and almost exclusively produced for Woo (Woo Wonjae). He's under the new monicker Khyo now. That lasted for about 2 years and more recently, he doing DJ gigs at festivals.

So he's up and still doing music 🙌

This ended in a sort of somber note with the lost connection between 2jin....

But the silver lining to it is that both of them are living well, and I'm not a 2jin shipper 👻✨

#jinkook #kookjin #jinkook traces #2jin #it's a detour that comes back onto the main path

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marengogo · 2 years ago

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The Thing Is: - 2 : It Really Ain’t That Hard.

Listening to This is BTS on Spotify.

[Music is a very big part of my life and I’m MOSTLY INCAPABLE of writing without music, so I just thought I'd share what I am listening to while writing this]

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Some time in 2010 a young clumsy genius named Kim Namjoon aka RM, at the time known as Runch Randa, impressed a producer named Bang Sihyuk, as a consequence of which, he was immediately signed to the producer's unknown small company named BigHit Entertainment where Namjoon became part, and leader, of a new project Hip-Hop band named Bangtan Sonyeondan aka BTS.

In this new band, Namjoon was an underground rapper amongst, mostly, other underground rappers such as Shin Donghyuk aka Supreme Boi, Jin Hyosang aka Kidoh, Jung Hunchul aka Iron and Min Yoongi aka SUGA.

Min Yoongi, a feisty rapper with a passion for basketball, ended up being second at the Hit It Audition, held by BigHit in 2010, in order to find more members for BTS. The person who won the competition, Choi Ikje aka I11even, also was one of the original members of BTS. In case you were curious, Here is the video of that final between Yoongi and I11even:

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The only member who wasn’t an underground rapper, but who joined the company as a formidable dancer, with positivity spreading from every pore of his body, and really just a very nice presence to have around, was Jung Hoseok aka J-Hope.

[The following link talks more about predebut Bangtan if you’d like to know more. I can’t vouch for it being completely correct but what I like about this page is that they also let you know where there are gaps in informations or things that they are not sure about either]:

So it was that they were seven, but they weren’t THE seven we all know and love today. So let’s try and imagine, for a second or two, how this must have felt for Joon, Yoongi and Hobi. Knowing that the bonds they were starting to create couldn’t be created after all, due perhaps to differences they couldn't overcome.

And also Imagine as a consequence, being told that you are not going to be a hip-hop group anymore and that you are going to have to work with four other boys on a completely different project. I’m not sure of just how hard and stressful it must have been but I can speculate that they weren’t just happy-go-lucky about it, particularly not in such an uncertain environment within a small unknown company.

Yet those three, Kim Namjoon, Min Yoongi and Jung Hoseok, decided to stick around and try to make this new project work after all. Hence came along, Kim Seokjin aka Jin.

Older than all of them, and having basically nothing in common with any of them (as he didn’t rap, nor did he dance) Seokjin might have struggled at the very beginning but somehow he made it through in such a way that he would end up being loved by all of them; didn’t he? Moving on, right after Seokjin, came his figurative opposite: the youngest of them all, tenacious dancer, skilled singer and adequate rapper; Jeon Jungkook aka Jungkook.

Cute, introverted and shy, Jungkook was sent to get some extra dance training for a month in LA with their performance director Son Sungdeuk I always wonder how was that experience for him and all the things he might have been exposed to. If the trip to LA improved his dancing skills, what got him to be more open to the world emotionally was his in big part his encounter and interaction with the next member to join the group; Kim Taehyung aka V.

Taehyung, at the time Bangtan's little “trouble-maker” V really put a spin on that group. He was never known for having the most conventional thinking, very much in his own world most of the times but so unique, so talented, so intriguing and so very caring. So much so that he would be the one to create a very special and strong bond with the last member to join this very peculiar group of young boys: Park Jimin aka Jimin a very skilled dancer, with an unforgettable voice and the sweetest heart you’ll ever be lucky to encounter.

Without a doubt, they struggled, argued, fought, overworked, cried, wondered if any of it was worth it after all, but they stuck it through. The seven of them together. They finally were able to create those bonds and worked their darn hardest to keep them, maybe just so they wouldn’t have a repeat of the first time they tried. They made sacrifices, learned to compromise, found ways to understand each other and basically become each other’s point of reliability, because Kim Namjoon, Kim Seokjin, Min Yoongi, Jung Hoseok, Park Jimin, Kim Taehyung and Jeon Jungkook love, respect and trust Kim Seokjin, Min Yoongi, Jung Hoseok, Park Jimin, Kim Taehyung and Jeon Jungkook.

Sure, they are not seven with us, but before, during and after us, they were are and always will be seven. When together and not to a certain extent, they are each other’s priorities, because they’ve learned to be so and they have decided that they want to be so, as they’ve said repeatedly every time they have had to remind the world that, for example,THEY ARE NOT DISBANDING. Kim Namjoon, Kim Seokjin, Min Yoongi, Jung Hoseok, Park Jimin, Kim Taehyung and Jeon Jungkook are ALL MEMBERS OF BTS and they plan to remain so. Even their chapter 2 is all geared for them to be able to come back to each other with refreshed energies, experiences and point of views. They know that, I know that, You, person/people reading this should know that. Yet, why do so many people keep forgetting that?

Like ... it really ain’t that hard y’all.

So You and by You, I am referring to the people who will feel like they are being called out by reading any of the following can keep on:

1.BELIEVING IN, or SHIPPING, ANY PAIRING IN BTS ROMANTICALLY or whichever way you so fit, and I am also speaking as a person who thinks Jikook might actually be something. We can have all our theories and some of us do get pretty nasty about them, but at the end of the day, if any of these pairs aren’t real, it will NEVER change the fact that BTS were ALWAYS solely there for the music to begin with (and I actually started with the music with them, so really, if Jikook were never a thing, it would at most feel like a pity for me, but yeah, I’d quickly move on) and would be staying for the music, or maybe the money, or maybe the fame, or maybe the fandom or all of it and who knows what else. Regardless, they know that at the very least they have each other. Because they were and still are seven.

2. STANNING ANY SINGLE, DUO OR WHATEVER NUMBER OF MEMBERS YOU WANT. Have a blast! Do whatever the fuck you want honestly, on god, it is your life, your choices, your actions and your consequences. Any attempt at stressing and pointing out how they would be so much better if they were permanently solo artists is ALL ON YOU and it would also be a clear statement as to how little you know the artist you claim you stan; LIKE, FOR REAL-REAL. That being said, all your Solo, Duo, Whatever-Number, Ted talks will not change the fact that, as of February 19, 2023, Bangtan Sonyeaondan is still a band and it is still composed of Kim Namjoon, Kim Seokjin, Min Yoongi, Jung Hoseok, Park Jimin, Kim Taehyung and Jeon Jungkook. And yes, I will keep repeating the chant because it is not just a fucking chant. It is a verbal representation of what it actually is. Because they were and still are seven.

3. DISRESPECTING PARK JIMIN or any other member at that, but JM is the most evident if you are so inclined, realistically speaking can I stop you? Nah. Your stupid ass will find new ways of trying to bring an innocent, talented, caring, spectacular, exquisite, funny, unique person down. Many started doing that circa 6 years ago and, not-shockingly, you and them are still at it. Yet, LOW, AND FUCKING BEHOLD, Park Jimin is still thriving, is still loved, is still part of BTS because GUESS 👏🏾 THE 👏🏾 FUCKING 👏🏾 WHAT 👏🏾?: … Because they were and still are seven.

4. DISLIKING CHAPTER 2. You don’t like that they are finally taking time to be their own selves, within the safety of still being in a band? You don’t understand the possibility that some might actually be burnt out (please look up being burnt out, it is a thing) and need some real rest? You don’t like the fact that there are indeed also other people in their world (family, other friends, new acquaintances FINALLY, etc)? You feel neglected even though you are obviously one of the reasons why they are still together and why they still keep going on even though sometimes the actions they get back from people like you are SUPER QUESTIONABLE? Bruv … I have nothing to tell you to be honest cause, I ain't got that type of time to waste, but then again; I lied. I just wanted to let you know that at the end of the day, Yoongi would probably wish you to Stay Healthy: Because guess what? they were and still are seven.

5. NOT EVOLVING. Stay in OG 2013. Stay in Work Harder 2014. Stay in We Might Actually Be Going Somewhere 2015. Stay in …Oh Shit!… 2016. Stay in We Global Now Baby! 2017. Stay in We Are Not Disbanding 2018. Stay in Map Of The “Crazy” 2019. Stay in Pandemic. Online. Okay. 2020. Stay in We Back Live! 2021. Stay in Keep Misunderstanding What We Say 2022. Stay in Chapter 2 2023. Stay Still wherever the fuck you want, honestly, nobody can force you to do anything and nobody is saying that you are wrong either, just know that 🎵Things Change. People Change. Everything Change🎶. However, you know what doesn’t change? The things they said will not change and wanted us to trust them with, for example the fact that they will be seven Because they were and still are seven.

6. FABRICATING/CHATTING SHIT AND/OR SIDING WITH IT. Rumors, scandals, unreliable sources, YOU NAME IT. That blasted bird app I swear to god … can’t live with it, can’t live without it. AS WE ALL SHOULD KNOW BY NOW, drama is birthed every second on that platform and reading all of the shit that comes out can really make you want to grab your laptop/desktop or phone and throw it out of the window as well as lose a couple of brain cells. FOR REAL-REAL.

All the attempts at causing havoc, insulting the fandom, engaging in fanwars, and just trolling as a professional sport … like you can REALLY miss me with all that shit. Because I’m pretty sure that they are also avoiding all that shit and if they have something to say, usually they find a way to say it in professional Jin-Style or through the company. Cause, contrary to popular belief, they know exactly everything that goes on online, they’d have to live under a rock not to know, so if something needs addressing they will.

ALSO, If something personal to them needs addressing but they don’t want to address it, that is also their right and they will handle it however the fuck they want to, be it a white lie or just staying out of SM all together for months on months on months. Because, even when they might have felt lonely at the end of the day, they knew who they could rely one as they were and still are seven.

BUT ARMY MADE BTS!

😩… ARMY found BTS when BTS needed them the most, which at the same time it was also when many ARMY needed them the most. ARMY saw something in them, beyond their looks and any initial fanservice. They perhaps saw themselves in them, struggling human beings just doing their best to make it into this world. BTS gave them, and keeps giving them, words of encouragement, a sense of comfort, unbelievable silliness, hope in the dark and much more, which ARMY exchanges with trust, moral and financial support, which is the best we can do to allow those seven young men to be seven. The moment we forget this, and the moment they forget this, then it is all over. However, at this very moment, the way things are standing, they seem to not have forgotten this so, once again, I ask: why do so many people keep forgetting that?

I don’t know and in all honesty I don’t give a fuck either. I am ARMY, through and through. I am an ARMY that is still discovering things about their past, supports all their present endeavours and is very hopeful for their future, because they were there for me, and still are and I am faithful they will continue to be as far as they can. So to all the misguided people, if I get tired of playing with you in my Colosseum I will refer to this post, just so you don’t think that you are not heard. Trust me you are heard, and it is very important to me for you to know that you will always:

REAP WHAT YOU SOW, and hold on … wait for it … when you do, THEY’LL STILL BE 7.

Always respectfully yours 💜,

Marengo.

#Marengo TTI #BTS were and still are 7 #people who are lost #Youtube

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