#ppl comparing it to palestine

[nururu]

Don't do a thinkpiece on skypiea if you're going to completely ignore white christian settler colonization and indigenous genocide. Just don't talk about it.

[robotpussy]

the white western world believes the famine and death of black and brown people is integral and natural to our existence and that is why there is such little care and disregard, ignorance and eagerness to portray palestine and sudan as anything but genocide

[christophernolan]

Why is that the Irish celebrities are the only people with humanity and a moral compass

[gurorori]

[tied to LRB, >_>] i still have no idea how 2 eloquently express the bitterness i feel without sounding like im diminishing the importance of other tragedies ... but it is actually sickening 2 open any social media today and see all the same people act like russia's invasion of ukraine is a thing of the past (aka, no longer on their tl), meanwhile the same 'muricans loud and proud not so lojng ago were saying their pieces like 'its not a trend!!!!!' oh but it was. to you. and even more shockingly, what's happening today is a trend to you too

[themoonking]

this time on "it's really not that fucking hard to be vegan and not a terrible, obnoxious person", you can just choose not to compare the ongoing genocide of actual human beings in palestine to animal agriculture. that's a thing you do. just like, don't say that, because it's a completely fucking vile thing to say.

[clarabowmp3]

Taylor did go to a comedy charity event to benefit Palestine. Given the general US position on Palestine it was significant. I’m not saying it was enough, but we know her position.

okay, but she also went to that same comedy charity event with her zionist bff selena gomez? so do we really know her position?

[fairuzfan]

I don't want to add it to the post (bc I don't want to get into it with assholes) but! I'm literally Japanese-American, and I would say that Hiroshima and Nagasaki are similar to Gaza and Rafah not just in the amount of firepower directed at them but in that they're both CIVILIAN POPULATIONS. it's not about the nuclear weapons (reading comprehension website.jpeg) it's about the inhumanity of the collective punishment in service of US interests. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not individual or unique events -- look at Laos, look at Cambodia, look at Vietnam and Korea and what the States did there!! it doesn't "lessen" the horror or tragedy at all to compare them to Palestine now, especially if that comparison will help to stop it. I need white ppl to shut the fuck up about Japan permanently I stg anyways sorry people are being weird and fuckshit about this.

I think people are stuck on the differences and not willing to look at similarities when it comes to Gaza. Like when we compare its not in an effort to dismiss the differences and "triviliaze" (hate when they say that) but to show "Hey remember when something really bad happened back then? And everyone today is like I can't believe that happened? You can stop something like that from happening today by helping here" which people are allergic to doing for Palestine because they're so caught up in the minutae that they can't see the big picture. I've seen descendants of survivors of Vietnam say this is exactly what happened to them. I've seen Bosnian Genocide survivors say the gaslighting is similar to what they experienced. Holocaust survivors and their descendents! Even Hiroshima in the modern day is drawing parallels! We need to make comparisons to examine similarities and contextualize events in history. Why else learn world history if not to understand the patterns of operation in the modern day? You have beliefs surrounding certain atrocities, things like "I won't let that happen again" or "I would fight that" and that's why people are drawing parallels. To make people take action.

And this isn't limited to just Gaza, people do the same with Sudan and DRCongo. And people who do it for sudan even claim to support Palestine! Even though Gazans are asking people to pay attention to Sudan because they see themselves in their struggle! No one is paying attention to the main idea "stop this before it gets worse"!!!! It's already so bad for all these places and that damage is irreversible in that people live with it for the rest of their lives but yes! We can stop it before a complete erasure happens! It's possible! These comparisons are necessary and important!

[erros429]

going to get a bit personal and a bit political here.

over a week ago, before hamas’s retaliation on israel, my jewish friend passed away. before their passing, they were always quite vocally pro-palestine and anti-apartheid.

before and after the attacks, i’ve mentioned my own pro-palestine stance on my personal social media accounts. but now ppl leverage my DEAD friend against me, saying nonsense like: “your friend just died and you’re defending the terrorists that would’ve wanted them dead???” and i just. the AUDACITY to fucking weaponize MY friend against me when they knew nothing about them.

it’s sickening. it’s outrageous. and my experience is TINY compared to the innocent lives that are trapped in a warzone. TINY compared to the family members of these victims who fear that they may never see their loved ones again. and yet?? people are using this tragedy as an excuse to spew antisemitism and islamophobia every which way, and it is repulsive to watch.

my point is, if you’re living in the western world and only watching this from the sidelines, through the lens of mainstream news sources, then i have a message for you: check your privilege, grow the fuck up, and educate yourselves before you open your damn mouths.

[neotrances-deactivated]

so many ppl i meet or talk to who claim to be progressive can’t even stand on it that aren’t fucking reading they aren’t retaining anything and the worst part all of history is an open book test it’s just the same shit over and over again how the fuck do u have blm and anti racism in ur bio and u can’t even condemn isreal for doing literal apartheid . malcom x was agaisnt the occupation of palestine like a little over FIFTY YEARS AGO bc he and other black progressives were easily able to identify and compare the apartheid state happening over there to the one in fucking africa u are all so fake dude all the answers u need have already been spoken by those who have given their lives for these causes and ur too fucking weak to even just say what they said with the threat of a bullet in their heads looming whenever they went outside

[woman-respecter]

as a black woman, im happy to see a renewed coalition between black:jewish communities. it feels like the powers that be tried to pull us away from one another despite jewish ppl being very supportive of black folks. i also hated how pro gaza people tried pinning jews and black ppl against each other and fast forward to now 70%~ of jewish ppl voted for harris compared to other minorities who voted more for trump

i really hope that we can see this solidarity become more widespread. there's a long history of solidarity between our two groups and i hate how the palestine issue has been used to drive a wedge between us.

[weaselbeaselpants]

I'm not surprised. Just sick. cw: involves current politics

--Referring to Lorch's old comments abt how Palestine and Israel should 'fight to the death' and how she doesn't care about the conflict because it's been 'going on for a decade now'. ---

Everyone on the planet has been watching it unfold for (WELL MORE THAN) a decade. A great deal of us are only just now learning why it's as serious as it is which is also why people are horrified and trying to combat it now in the only ways we can. Why many of us are trying are very hardest to make sure we say and do the right things. Some of us don't like being called antisemitic for calling what Israel is doing wrong, espec not those of us who are Jewish themselves >> some of us aren't comfortable saying ''yeah literally every Israeli person ever is inherently evil and should leave the place they were born in it's easy :D'' and then get told we don't care about Palestine at all or enough. Some of us are making mistakes; like Susan Sarandon saying 'Jewish people don't know what it's like to suffer' to thinking Andrew Tate is an ally for saying he hates Israel (yes rlly). It's bad. It's not fun. Not 'being a victim of an active genocide and told you and your family are inherent scammer bots'-bad; not 'being called just evil as the group in history who genocided your grandparents'-bad, but bad.

I bring it up so much because I think it's so relevant to this conversation: the first thing I saw that outright said "Israel's not all it cracks up to be; they're committing a genocide" was Waltz with Bashir, an Israeli movie. I don't think Ari Foleman is even as critical as Eli Valley ftr, but that he and the soldiers he interviewed were willing to say that at all is what got me invested in this cause. Then it was little things one after another, like how I seriously didn't know 1980s Iran even had cars because, despite disagreeing with Bush all these years, I still believed his and modern American propaganda about how backwards the middle east is.

I wasn't even trying. I just googled and watched a movie and did some thinking on myself. I don't think I really started trying until 2023 when I joined the boycott.

How hard is it to care? How hard is it to have even the slightest bit of empathy?

And once again, Lorch, I'd rather you of ALL PEOPLE not do this while lecturing us Americans on how we should have voted and how that means we care or not about Gaza. One of the pro-Palestinian bloggers I follow hates Harris and I know def didn't vote for the dems. They're as passionate about Palestine as they are because they are an anti-colonization blog. Very VERY nice of you to assert this person, who's done more for this cause than you ever have, is a 'loafer' and 'lazy'. Very nice.

I guess that makes sense when just a couple years ago, I caught you [Lily] reblogging said person's post about blood-quantum. Their post was about the way blood-quantum is colonizer's standard for how native/non-native ppl judge each other. How it shouldn't matter compared to doing things for your community. I know the reason you reblogged this person's post, Lily. Must have been good to reblog that to affirm you're legit and then do nothing else for anyone ever.

I'm sure someone already knows the blogger I'm talking about and the post of theirs Lily's appropriated reblogged. (It's NOT Heritageposts) I GENUINELY don't want to @ them anything about Lily Orchard because they have been unfairly banned AND are dealing with chronic illness on top of all their protesting. They don't need more pain. They're the person who got me really into 'this' and is why my eyes are opened now and can never look back. They're the person who introduced me to the world of antizionists (and so also Jewish antizionists who are truly having to shift through the most asinine shit said abt their religion and their cause rn). The person who told me to make my own decisions for me and that taking a job with a company with opposing views did not make me any less of an ally to Palestine or indigenous rights.

They're the person you're saying 'didn't care', Lily.

[toxicshipsincorporated]

I see a lot of ppl having this...really just incredibly callous and inhumane take on Gaza and Palestine where they will say, the Holocaust claimed the lives of millions of Jewish people while only tens of thousands of Gazans have died, how is that a genocide??? The implication of course is that we are over exaggerating

1) We do not know yet, just how many people will die because of what Israel did and is doing and will do in Gaza (not to speak of what they are doing in the West Bank, one war crime at a time I suppose). Because the people who will die of infection, of starvation, of exposure, of lack of medicine, those numbers will only reveal itself in time. But also..

2) To compare millions to thousands when the numbers represent human lives and to say that one okay because the other was greater is incredibly horrific and inhumane. The Holocaust was horrific. It remains horrific. It should not have happened. What is happening in Gaza is also horrific. It should be stopped. These are not mutally exclusive.

3) Genocide, as a concept, as legal idea, is not defined by a number but by intent. Intent has been made clear in the case of Gaza. From Netanyahu's own mouth, from the mouths of the IDF, from the mouths of Israeli politicians, news casters, children, the intent is clear. This is a self-admitted and shameless genocide.

[meowdei]

I'm not even gonna debate on whether it should be acceptable to not be politically educated (it shouldn't, regardless of privilege) and that's why I also didn't like what Chappell Roan said.

But what I understood was that the public shouldn't turn to celebrities for political advice. Yes, the celebrities ought to be educated and though I don't remember what she said exactly and wasn't fond of the dismissive tone, the people to turn to are not them.

Considering how she's outspoken generally, it was surprising to see her adopt that opinion so that's why I was lead to that conclusion. Celebrities should 101% be aware of their influence and that should count as extra reasons to be educated but the public shouldn't expect them to lead the political movements...

I don't know, is that opinion faulty?

I'm greek btw, if that matters

I think personally I expect celebrities to speak up about political issues bc they are in a place of extreme wealth and privilege compared to the average citizen, and I don’t even stay friends with people who have shitty political opinions that make it abundantly clear that they’re a terrible person, so why would I support/put more money in the pockets of a celebrity who does, too? Like I’m not going to purchase from a celebrity’s brand or stream their stuff on streaming platforms or watch their movies in theaters if they’re going to have political opinions that make it clear they are shitty ppl. It’s not their job description to educate people on politics, but it’s not in the job description of ANYONE to speak up about politics and I think with that mindset, we wouldn’t have a lot of progress, would we?

It’s a standard expectation, in my opinion, for celebrities to express their stances and use their extremely large platforms to at the very least bring to people’s attention important topics so that the people can at least be informed that the issue exists and can do their own research in their own time. But honestly, speaking and educating people using your, again, HUGE platform is not asking for much honestly. It doesn’t take more than a few moments to say “this is happening in Palestine and this is how you can help” or “here is what’s going on with ICE raids and what your rights are if this affects you” and if you’re politically educated, which I think everyone should be, then taking a couple of moments to post about what you already know and bring awareness to it makes a world of a difference honestly. Celebrities are some of the most influential people on the media, so if they don’t speak up on matters then I feel it’s a little bit selfish considering their wealth is built entirely by the population of people who will most likely suffer the brunt of any political decisions made bc they are not wealthy or privileged the same way.

And honestly even celebrities aren’t immune to a lot of political issues either so it’s kind of crazy to not care. Reproductive health, for example, is still something every afab person has to worry about regardless of whether or not they plan to have kids in the future bc you just never know what situation you will find yourself in

Ig the gist of what I’m trying to say is that if a celebrity adopts this idea that it’s not their responsibility to care about large scale issues, then anyone could adopt that mindset and that would be a bit catastrophic, no? Anyone who has a large deal of influence should feel a sense of obligation to give back because they are living an incredibly separate and comfortable life from the realities of others, and the very least they can do, if not donate to causes or actively participate in change, is simply being some public awareness to issues

[momo-de-avis]

i once read somewhere that one of the reasons why portugal won't recognize palestine is because of the "catholic guilt" regarding the way jews were treated in portugal. do you think this is true?

Possibly. I genuinely don't know. I think the average portuguese person doesn't even know enough history of jewish ppl in this country to even understand why there's a level of guilt to begin with (just today I saw a video of a lady from Morocco and a portuguese lady comparing words thay sounded identical and the comments were portuguese assholes saying because we kind of were in Morocco they stole the words from us, like the al-Andalus was a fever dream I guess).

I genuinely also believe there is political interest behind, although I also don't know enough about it to discuss it, which ties perfectly into Portuguese people's general inability to see the gray area of any topic whatsoever.

But I don't think the majority of Portuguese people are against Palestine. Lisbon is loaded with free palestine messages and I don't know a single person who is pro israel. I know of guides in finicky situations bc the clients were israeli and tried to start shit bc of something they saw written on the walls. Most of us just try to avoid the conversation cause well we gotta do our jobs

On a governmental level however is a different conversation.

I just find it so hard to simply accept it's "catholic guilt" when this country is made of people who genuinely want to claim Cristopher Columbus for ourselves but you never know

[notyouraryang0dd3ss]

some of those anti ts blogs willing to look past the fact that they got zionists in their circles just because those people also hate ts…wack

like do they realize it makes them no better than the people they criticize

being a hater is a noble pursuit, have some fucking morals oh my god!!!

ive always been a ts hater and i havent really known much about her until like last year because this shit is inescapable and its so bizarre how she seems to have parasocial stans and parasocial haters - both equally obsessed with her life

theyre like organisms in a petri dish to me

BEING A HATER IS A NOBLE PURSUIT HAVE SOME FUCKING MORALS!!!!!!!!

ive always been a hater too and got sucked back in around this time last year when she got with matty healy. i literally forgot she existed between 2017-2022 im not joking i literally heard NOTHING about her online or in my friend circle. and then i found out it was because she was in a 6 year relationship and i was like “oooooohhhhhh she was normal”

idk if i consider myself a parasocial hater but i do feel crazy that nobody remembers all her shitty past actions and i do. tbh sometimes shitswiftiessay posts stuff criticizing taylor’s appearance (it was comparing her face when she laughs to donald trumps) that’s actually misogynistic. im not stalking her every move so much as being critical and holding her accountable for her racism etc.

but its really hard to define parasocial hater rn when she’s the most exposed she’s ever been. so many ppl today on this blog were complaining how they were bombarded with taylor swift ads. i dont think this tag wouldve blown up if so many people werent feeling this way already.

and the whole reason i have this blog is because i felt so crazy explaining taylor’s history of racism and nobody caring/dismissing or at worst gaslighting me for even feeling this way. idk i appreciate all the other anti blogs but most of them are joe alwyn defenders (btw theres nothing wrong w that. but thats not the main reason im an anti) and none of them really talk about her racism. i made this space to talk about her and swifties racism, white feminism, etc.

and then oct. 7 happened (i literally made this blog oct. 2 its so funny) and seeing all the zionists and genocide deniers alienated me. i made it very clear from the jump that i was pro palestine and stood for the liberation of palestine so i didn’t post for a while and didn’t feel comfortable interacting in the tag cause it was full of zionists. it was also funny bc shitswiftiessay followed me immediately up until i stated my solidarity then they blocked me 🤣 soooooooo funny. so ive been pretty MIA until recently i got an ask abt jewishbarbies and that’s how im posting today :}

[kiophen]

Omg you're so real i hate how this site has now made it basically a moral imperative to give money to scammers profiting off of real atrocities. I am pro palestine and even promoted a few when i first thought they were real and vetted but you look into it for 5 seconds and it's obviously complete bs but if you say that ppl call you racist or whatever. wow i wonder why a scammer would possibly want to foster a mindset that donating to them makes you a good person and ignoring them is evil. 🙄

a point I haven't heard anyone bring up yet is that by donating to these campaigns, assuming they're even actual palestinians, you are giving money to people who have enough means/time/connections to organize an internet crowdfunding campaign in the first place.

having the ability to perceive them at all indicates they are already more advantaged in their situation compared to the families who don't have the connections in other parts of the world to make a gofundme even possible. therefore, donating to established orgs that help people on the ground would do more to help overall, since they can help the people who are really isolated there.

not only that but you also won't have to gamble that your money isn't going towards human trafficking in the event it is a scam. or that it will even make it through the wiring process to the family if the campaign is real