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I never said I do Or don’t believe what is found in the Christian Bible or the Hebrew Bible. Nor did I even remotely imply such a thing. Rather man’s various interpretations of the Bible is what gave birth to many different religions that we have today.  We must however keep in mind that the Bible is not actually a book. Rather it is a collection of writings written by many mortal men spanning some 1800 years, from scrolls gathered together to create a book called a bible. My comment is not my opinion rather it is a well documented historical fact that I simply agree with. I would’ve responded directly to your comment but you have turned that option off.

LOL.

I never said I do Or don’t believe what is found in the Christian Bible or the Hebrew Bible. Nor did I even remotely imply such a thing.

And I didn't say that you did. I said that if you reject them, and I accept that you do, then you reject the only claim to the existence of the god described within them. There is no other source for it. So if you're going to dismiss it as I do, then the entire basis for the traditional Judeo-Xian god falls away. There is no basis to start asserting that anything like it exists.

This is what you actually said:

Religions are based upon a man made doctrine.

Correct. Such as the bible.

There are no religions in the Christian or Hebrew Bible.

If you are referring to the fact that nobody in the bible had a bible, nobody was a Xian because the bible is the source of Xianity itself, then you're stating axioms as if they were profound. No shit, Sherlock. However, the Jesus character was a Jew. The entire Cleansing the Temple (which never happened, BTW) was a brouhaha about Jewish practices. The Canaanites were killed for their religious practices.

But they created the religions. They are the only source of both the god that these religions worship, and the existence of the religions that do the worshiping based on this doctrine. The religions do not exist without their scriptures. Indeed, the bible was specifically invented to give rise to the Xian (well, Catholic) religion and ideology. The gospels themselves were written explicitly to bring people to Xianity and convert them. Which is why they’re full of so much crazy nonsense. Biographies weren’t intended to be historically accurate, they were written to be inspirational promotional material. Biography as an accurate, historical record is a recent phenomenon of the last couple of centuries.

Xianity only exists because of the man-made bible.

As you said, these religions are based on the man made doctrine. Which is the Hebrew and Xian bibles (and the quran).

Rather man’s various interpretations of the Bible is what gave birth to many different religions that we have today.

Correct. Because the man made doctrine that is both the Hebrew and Xian bibles (and the quran, let's not forget that one) is contradictory, stolen, poorly translated, ambiguous, inconsistent, and is both a-historical, in that it doesn't provide dates and names where they would be expected, and un-historical in that it contradicts history that is known. A god that was associated with this mess, ensured it came out this way, and did literally nothing to fix the problem could only have a lower IQ than chewing gum, not give the slightest shit about humanity or the destruction that befalls it from this "interpretation," or be entirely non-existent.

Saying "interpretation" means that the scripture is unreliable. Since there is no single authority on its correct interpretation, thus all interpretations are valid. i.e. it's worthless. Anyone can interpret anything, and nobody can figure out which interpretations are right, which means no one can claim any are wrong.

Worthless. Or irrelevant. Tomayto, tomarto.

the Bible is not actually a book. Rather it is a collection of writings written by many mortal men spanning some 1800 years, from scrolls gathered together to create a book called a bible.

Let's try something.

Earth is not actually a planet. Rather, it is a collection of islands and continents and seas created by many natural processes spanning some 4.5 billion years, from elements that collected through gravitation to form a planet called Earth.

Wikipedia is not actually a website. Rather, it is a collection of writings written by many mortal authors spanning some 20 years, from articles gathered together to form a website called Wikipedia.

Does this clarify what you just said?

“X is not a Y, something, something, something resulting in a Y called X.”

i.e. the bible is just a book.

Just like the Iliad or the Epic of Gilgamesh. In more ways than a few, since the Hebrew bible rips off things like the Noahic Flood from Gilgamesh. This is actually fairly well known. We can, and have, tracked mythological phylogeny just as we track biological evolution. And we can know that the bible's authors weren’t there, weren’t eyewitnesses and weren’t neutral or objective. And stole from each other. So we need not worry about “interpretation” when the literal word of the bible was already a fabrication.

The bible is no more than that. Man made, as you yourself said. Nothing divine about it.

And lacking quite terribly even as literature, since it's mostly just a bunch of terrible skits, lists, and loose poetry cobbled together. Even the Gospels, which pretend to be retelling true events, aren't actually told as eyewitness or historical accounts. There's no consistent witness(es) present, to the extent that it tells of Jesus being alone with the Devil, or praying by himself. Which is idiotic.

Dismiss its claims and you dismiss its claim of a particular supreme being.

The Harry Potter books are the only source of everything we know about Harry Potter. If you disregard them, there's no basis to insist anything about Harry Potter. Since talking about a "Harry Potter" who is not the "Harry Potter" of the "Harry Potter" books (and films) is a new "Harry Potter" you created yourself.

Yes there is a supreme being

One you invented, since you already tossed away the Hebrew and Xian bibles. Unless you're claiming a different man made scripture is true. Gods only come from man made doctrine, whether written, drawn, conveyed orally or through interpretive dance.

You can't dismiss the man made scripture (i.e. the bible(s)) without dismissing the god that scripture created.

My comment is not my opinion rather it is a well documented historical fact that I simply agree with.

This is the comment:

Yes there is a supreme being. We have more then enough hard evidence that we don’t actually die, rather we simply move on.

Of course it's just your opinion. Don't be laughably absurd.

Just pretending inane pseudo-profound rambling masquerading as depth to cover for your fear of death is "fact" doesn't make it fact.

We already established that disregarding the human made scripture means disregarding the human claims that the god within it exists. The existence of this god stems only from the man made scripture. As all gods do. Including your personal inventions, as that's just mere fan fiction. So, we need not worry about that part.

If "we simply move on" was a "fact' then our entire civilization would have already been transformed by the "fact" we will just respawn. To use your words "we simply move on." That is, death is no big deal.

Arguments over euthanasia, death sentences and abortion would have ended; everyone would view death differently; people would be "meh" about the Ukraine situation, since there could be no loss; "moving someone on' (previously, "murder") would be much more like deporting them than ending their existence, so sentences for “moving someone on” ("murder") would have been lowered, and people sentenced to "being moved on" (previously, "death") wouldn't be fighting it - it'd be more like getting kicked out of the club and banned for eternity.

And you would be able to provide evidence to support your claim, and would be able to tell us specifically what happens, how it happens, and how you can know it.

And I know you can't. Life is already known to be a biological, physical process. That's why alcohol works, that’s why antidepressants work, that’s why ECT works, that’s why anaesthesia works, that’s why defibrillators work, that's why MRIs work, that’s why split-brain operations work as they do, that’s why brain trauma can have the effects it does. And that's why we can study the biological process of death.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/brain-scans-dying-man-suggest-203605021.html

A highlight reel of life's memories may flash before your eyes when you die, a first-of-its kind study suggests.

The research, published Tuesday in Frontiers in Aging Neuroscience, describes a man who was connected to brain scans when he suffered a heart attack and died.

The scans, which had never been captured on a dying human before, showed the man experienced the types of brain waves associated with memories, meditation, and dreaming right before — and even about 15 seconds after — his heart stopped beating.

It is actually fairly well understood that everything about you is a function of your physical brain. If you want to go on to an "afterlife" without your brain, then, well, have fun with the zero that remains.

And you pretty much did what I said. That nobody who insists an afterlife exists will actually specifically identify what part of humanity is independent of human physical biology to survive death, and what necessary function it plays during life. Never mind how anyone can pretend to know it exists, or explain how and when it developed in the evolutionary line that resulted in homo sapiens.

I would’ve responded directly to your comment but you have turned that option off.

All you've said is that you don't know anything about my blog or my positions on anything. And why would I want comments from someone like that?

I don’t know how what drugs you’re on, but whatever they are, you need to either dial it back or up the dose.

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I saw a while ago you mentioned being into demonology. Might you have any favorite books or texts relating to the subject? - Shy Anon

Hey Shy Anon 🙂 So demonology is a weird topic to research. I don’t really have any favorites, because to get a good grasp on it you have to really dig through a lot of books and text. Also I haven’t actively studied it since I was a teenager, so I’m really rusty and can’t remember most of the names of those books, lol.

There are a lot of historical sources, some are canon to their religions, some are seen as supplementary material, some are straight up officially denied by their religions but still used within those religions by followers. And demonology always tends to meander into theology in general, because to really understand the demons you’ve got to understand the rest of the religion they’re part of, but I digress, because I could ramble about this rabbit hole for paragraphs.

For source materials on Christian, Hebrew, and Islamic Demons, the best option is to just google “Demons mentioned in the Bible/Torah/Quran” because followers of those religions have done an excellent job of listing all that already. And from there you can branch out into less popular Abrahamic religions and see how they talk about demons compared to their mainstream counterparts. Like the Book of Enoch isn’t canon to most forms of Christianity currently, but some still use it. There’s some cool stuff in there about Nephilim and demons that you’d totally miss if you stuck to the main books.

Also one interesting note on Islam. They tend to group other spirits into the same category as demons, and I don’t know if this is because all the old spirits are seen as demons in Islam, or if it’s because Arabic authors often have a poetic way with words and use the same terms for things like metaphor and kinnings, or it could just be common in English translations. Christians also do this, but to a lesser extent in literature, and usually differentiate them by calling them “evil spirits” and such.

So aside from the source religious text, there’s stuff like The Lesser Key of Solomon, specifically Ars Goetia. You just have to be careful which translations you’re looking at, because some are very Hollywood, some of them are very rewritten for their own purposes, and some are just poorly translated. I don’t have a specific name of a good translation, but always look for educational and historical sources and translations before reading the version published by Crowley. Also be aware that the Lesser Key is a collection of many books written over time, kind of similar to something like the Poetic Edda with Norse myths, and one problem with the Lesser Key is that it contradicts itself in a few places because of translation errors over the years. Again, this is pretty well documented if you’re looking at an academic translation.

Expanding into the non-canon, some people argue how fictional Dante’s Inferno is. It paints an interesting idea of the Christian hell and the demons in it, regardless of if its made up or not.Actually a good place to start digging into the topic is the wiki pages. They have a lot of literature cited and should help guide you to some good stuff. Just remember, like always, take wiki pages with a grain of salt and use them mostly for their sources. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_demonology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonology

And when you thought that was enough, you can always look into other cultures. Every culture has it’s evil or malevolent spirits. And from my understanding of demons in most cultures, they’re just spirits with different origins, different tendencies towards humans, and different myths.

Hopefully that was useful, even though I don’t have many specific sources. It’s just one of those rabbit hole topics where there’s little bits of knowledge scattered across a hundred stories and sources. As always, feel free to ask follow ups or just my opinion on related stuff. And thanks for the ask Shy. Answering this was a good distraction from all the stuff going on lately and cheered me up/chilled me out 😄