#placidus system

[astrosky33]

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CAPRICORN PLACEMENTS AND SATURN

Not only 10th house but also Capricorn placements can also tell about your jobs/careers based on the planet it’s in. You can also look to Saturn since it rules over working

Example 1: If you have Saturn in the 2nd/3rd house it can indicate being a singer. Ariana Grande is an example of this

CAPRICORN VENUS MEN

These men tend to value the person they’re dating more based on how much work they’ve put into getting you/into the relationship. If you want to win them over make them work for you and don’t spoil them let them spoil YOU. This helps the relationship in the long run whether they seem annoyed by it or not

YOUR MARS SIGN

Often people who have the same Sun, Moon, or Rising sign as your Mars will desire you a lot and have a crush on you - In my personal experience more people with my Mars sign have had a crush on me than people with my Venus sign

UNEVOLVED/UNDERDEVELOPED PLACEMENTS

People try and use “underdeveloped” or “unevolved” to make an excuse for not liking someone with a certain placement. There is no such thing as “unevolved placements” because there is no perfect human that is going to take on absolutely no challenging traits EVER from their placements. We will always take on both positive and challenging traits from our placements because we as humans constantly are making mistakes all the time

LIBRA MOONS

Libra moons are known for being so charming because they know how to emotionally connect with people in a way that attracts others to them. The Moon rules over emotional connections and Libra is ruled by Venus which rules over charm and attraction

PLACIDUS VS TROPICAL

People in my comments tend to confuse the difference between Astrology TYPES & Astrology SYSTEMS. Placidus and Whole Signs are SYSTEMS in Astrology. Tropical and Sidereal are TYPES of Astrology. You can use any kind of system you resonate with in either type of Astrology

SAGITTARIUS VENUS

These people tend to be overly optimistic in love (since sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter the planet of optimistic and Venus represents love). At worst they may be the type to stay with someone who treats them poorly because of this

Example: Billie Eilish stayed with her first boyfriend Brandon for a little under a year even when he treated her poorly and constantly blew her off

NEPTUNE IN THE 1ST/10TH HOUSE

People with these placements are always idealized by others. You will attract lots of people trying to mirror you and have many copycats when you have these placements

Neptune in 1H Examples: Marilyn Monroe, Ariana Grande, Megan Fox, Kim Kardashian, Kylie Jenner, Adriana Lima, Emma Chamberlain, etc.

Neptune in 10H Examples: Jesus Christ, Princess Diana, Naomi Campbell, Kendall Jenner, Gigi Hadid, etc.

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[novy2sirius]

Hi

placidus or whole sign 🧍

honestly both.

like i’ve gotten to a point where there’s placements i resonate with in placidus and whole signs system. also i resonate w both tropical and sidereal astrology. i’ve heard placidus apparently isn’t mathematically calculated correctly but i still like it sometimes idk. i use whole signs more tho

[asstrolo]

Do you guys think whole sign system works better with tropical astrology or placidus sign system is better with it?

[saturnianoracle]

Whole Signs v Placidus - which house system is better?

Ah yes, ye age olde debate... which house system to use?

When first getting into astrology, the majority will use the placidus house system whether or not they know it. Placidus is the default for modern/ pop astrology; every chart generation website automatically uses it. Nowadays, the most common runner up house system to placidus is Whole Signs (often used by traditional/hellenistic astrologers). Yet, there are many house systems...:

➔Whole signs ➔Placidus ➔Koch ➔Equal/ Equal (MC) ➔Porphyry ➔Regiomontanus ➔Morinus ➔Alcabatius ➔Campanus ➔Meridian ➔Vehlow ➔Meridian

In this post, however, I will give my own argument on why I use whole signs and why I disagree with placidus. If you disagree with me thats fine, but I hope to at least educate on how these house systems even work and the deeper meaning behind why using whole signs is improtant.

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First, how does Placidus work?

The ascendant (as well as the dsc, mc, ic) is a mathematical point based on the on the sign on the Eastern horizon. Placidus works by marking the cusps of the houses into two-hour intervals starting from the time of your birth. This is then pushed every 2 hours for the 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th and 7th house cusps ( because by the 7th house cusp it has completed 6/6 of its daily solar arc ) and then mirrored for the houses below (already an...interesting method). It is a quadrant system.

How does Whole Signs (WS) work?

Whole signs is not a time based system like Placidus. Whole signs split the houses into equal 30 degree segments, much like how the zodiac signs are split, so each house is equal in size and all the signs start at 0 degrees. The ascendant point, MC, IC, and DC float within the house instead.

Main issues:

Historical

➥The maths for this was laid out by Ptolemy for the purpose of understanding primary directions, of which most people now believe was actually used to predict lifespan - not for a house system. And then eventually an astrologer called Abraham ibn Ezra interpreted Ptolemy's works as a house system which Placidus then came along and validated. ➥During the 17th century British astrologers took this and ran. The Church did not like Placidus' works and so the astrologers essentially pushed the system as revenge against the Church/a big F you to them, making it the popularised system to use. This sacrified accuracy. Placidus rests on a foudnation not even designed to be a house system in the first place which creates a lot of problems as we will see below. P.S. I would HIGHLY recommend reading this article on the popularisation of placidus for a more indepth, better explanation.

Functional

➥Placidus simply falls apart at extreme latitudes (which people ARE born at). Take this chart for example:

Is everyone born at extreme latiudes suddenly inherently special for having such a chart where the houses are so vastly unequal and inutile in size? How does one go about interpreting the significance of this? Houses are literally swallowed up/duplicated or are massive or tiny. Just because your houses might not change so much in WS or placidus does not mean its still valid - a house system has to work for everybody universally. In WS however:

This works and makes SENSE. It is not an issue of being able to interpret the so-called intercepted house (which placidus has the issue of as the maths for it was never intended to be a house system in the first place) or not, it is about being accurate in how to read a chart. ➥Notice how in the placidus chart it appears the ascendant is in the 12th house. This is another visual issue with placidus, for instance apps like CoStar will even tell you that your ascendant is in the 12th house... Placidus or not though the ascendant is always in or at the first house, the ascendant can never be in any other house - the 1st house is literally YOU. The cusps just looked messed up because of the intercepted houses. And chart generating platforms like CoStar relying on placidus mess up even further...

➥ Intercepted houses mean a sign/s is "swallowed up" and doesn't influence any house cusp, which contradicts the principle that every zodiac sign has a clear role in the chart (every house and sign matters whether or not a house is empty etc). The idea that a sign is somehow blocked or inaccessible is untrue, whether or not you think it relates to you (certain aspects in your chart for explain that feeling when read properly rather than this, either way astrology does not care about how you feel or how you wish your chart was; many people get upset that their sun sign moves from the 5th to 6th house for example in WS).

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Rebutting common arguments for placidus

"Whole signs doesn't take into account the rotation and curvature of the earth!"

✣First, as explained above, WS houses remain consistent regardless of the observer's latitude, avoiding the distortions and inaccuracies systems like Placidus introduce, particularly at extreme latitudes. WS houses rely on the zodiac's natural, unchanging divisions, which are independent of the Earth's curvature and geographic location (as explained in this post), providing consistent and straightforward house boundaries. ✣WS matches the universe's system. The signs, and therefore the houses are all about the sun rising from zero (its declination/ going from 0 degrees of whatever sign up till 29 and into the next) as the system follows every 30 degree section of the ecliptic , and correlates with the length of the sign's period. If the ascendant involves the ecliptic meeting the horizon , the ascendant point is a specific coordinate that is located within the first house whose cusp starts at 0 rather than marking the beginning of the cusp. Why should the house system not match what is going on above from which we observe and practise.

"Why not a time-based system if astrology is all about predictive techniques and seems so time sensitive?"

✣ Time doesn't exist in space in the same way it does here, time is just our tool to pinpoint moments against a measurement from which we can organise things (generally speaking). Time is, however, crucial for predictions only in how translate what happens up there to below, less so for diving the sky which is basically already divided for us. ✣ Time-based divisions, like placidus, introduce unnecessary complexity without adding real astrological value, as the essential qualities of the houses are fully captured by the zodiac's natural 30-degree segments in WS anyway as explained above.

"The MC and IC cannot be in houses which are not 10th and 4th!"

✣ Yes they can, this is quite straightforward. In WS, the IC can be in the 2nd-6th house and MC in 8th-12th (extremely rarely it can be in the 1st/7th house too). It is a floating mathematical point (like the asc and dsc) and does not mark the beginning of the 4th house and 10th house cusps like in Placidus. ✣ This is because the MC is the point where the sun culminates at its highest position in the sky at a given location, corresponding to the local meridian. The IC is directly opposite, marking the lowest point below the horizon. The MC and IC are not tied to the zodiac signs but are based on the intersection of the ecliptic (the Sun's apparent path) with the meridian line of the observer's location. This intersection varies based on the time of birth and latitude, and these points can occur at any degree of the zodiac. Because WS houses are aligned with the zodiac signs and the MC/IC are specific points along the ecliptic, the MC and IC can fall at different degrees that don't align with the 10th and 4th house cusps. ✣ This adds more nuance to readings. For instance, if the MC is in the 9th house instead of the 10th, it might indicate that one's career/public life/legacy/how they come off is strongly influenced by 9th house themes like higher education, travel, or philosophy. Thus, they add more information to how 10th and 4th house themes manifest. ✣ Here is a must-read article if you want more information (thorough analysis of MC/IC through the houses) on this topic: Patrick Watson- What To Do When the Midheaven Is Not in the 10th Whole Sign House.

Ending thoughts

People find it difficult to move on from placidus because they think their placidus charts makes complete sense/they resonate deeply with it/ they simply prefer their house placements in placidus to WS. All this is because of, for lack of better wording, a skill issue. You think it makes more sense but thats because you don't actually know how to properly delineate a chart - end of. And that's fine, astrology is complex and interpretation requires a lot of practise and deep study, especially into hellenistic works for a richer understanding of astrology.

Using placidus makes readings and your understanding of astrology unnecessarily complex and undermines the true art of chart intepretation, allowing for pop astrologers to import their own 'psychological' analysis, for instance, onto you via astrology - a deep misuse. Astrology has never been about psychologically explaining yourself - it is a map of your entire life of which you will not always 'relate' to, especially at different points in your life because those energies simply won't be pertinent/obvious when we are 5 vs 50 for example. I have spoken about the problems of using "resonating" to determine the accuracy of your astrological studies in my introductory post already, but it is a point which keeps needing to be re-emphasised.

The Whole Sign system is the oldest of all house systems, used effectively by ancient astrologers for thousands of years. It provides consistent and reliable results, particularly in predictive work, without the unnecessary and inaccurate complications introduced by varying house sizes and interceptions. If you want to use profection charts for instance, or many other traditional techniques, placidus will not work.

Placidus (as well as modern rulerships and the ABC house system which I will make posts on later) will take a while to unlearn - it certainly took me a long time to adjust out of the grips of modern pop culture's inaccurate and misleading yet addictive astrology. This is okay. But at the end of the day, wrong is wrong no matter how you try to justify it.

However, it is your personal choice. Posts like mine can only hope to encourage you to explore the deeper layers of astrology. Things like WS can take a while to accept, or you may never accept it - but as long as you make that decision fully informed. Yours sincerely, an ex-Placidus user xoxo

[etherealfishyfeelings]

Whole Sign vs Placidus

Disclaimer: this is my own personal experience with these house systems. And its kinda weirdly worded lol. My blog, my rules. Neptune = Bamboozlement. Fight me. This is a rant.

ya know, the way that I've come to reconcile Placidus and Whole Sign house systems is that I feel that Placidus is where I am psychologically but Whole Sign is just the reality of my life. I think noticed this really strongly in my Neptune placement, my Neptune is literally in the middle of nowhere in terms of aspects, it makes no major aspects to my personal planets really.

In Placidus it sits in my 10th house and I personally felt like my career was a bit of a conundrum for a very long time but in actuality I never really experienced any bamboozlement in terms of my public image and career. I think a lot of the confusion was normal(it felt enormous though)? Like just a normal amount of confusion at what I wanted to do with my life, always landed up in more venusian positions(handling people, design and artistic themes, somehow always moved to handle conflict) even when I did not want to be there(venus in the 10th conjunct mc in Whole sign, in placidus its in the 9th, like literally 1 degree away from the cusp, and i really romanticised higher education before I realized I hated structured education, but I think I will always romanticise intellectual topics and notions. My agnostic ass loves me some religious art even if I think that most religions are full of shit).

However, in Whole Sign my Neptune is in my 11th and that is genuinely the only part of my life where I experience frequent and consistent bamboozlement and it took me A VERY LONG TIME before I noticed. Like i literally only noticed it like 2 years ago. Every time I join any type of large friendship circle or any kind of network I always tend to see it through the rosiest of rose-coloured glasses and I am always left completely gutted and shocked when the truth comes out but FR, like if I'm being honest with myself, the signs were there the whole time and I often became really angry with anyone who questioned anything about these friend groups while I was in the thick of it.

[northopalshore]

Hello, thank you in advance for answering my question. Actually, it's not a question, I'm curious about your thoughts. First of all, my groom asteroid is 21°, in the 5th house and in Aquarius; my juno asteroid is 26°, in the 8th house, in Aquarius. What do you think about my FS?

also according to the placidus system, my sun, venus and mercury are in aries in my 7th house (virgo ascendant). in the whole sign system, these three planets are in the 8th house. which one do you think will have the most effect? in the placidus system, my 8th house is aries and will these three planets being in aries in the 7th house have an effect on the 8th house?

Thank you so much have a great day 💗✨🙏

Hello!

About your future spouse;

Groom (21° Sagittarius) in aquarius 5th house:

They are someone who is very eccentric and eclectic. They are open-minded, very smart optimistic. Their career could involve a lot of teaching or standing out, and entertaining younger people i.e.students. They could work in STEM or science, or even history and artifacts. They likely work as a highschool teacher or a lecturer in university because of the Sagittarius degree.

Juno (26° Taurus) in 8th house:

You could meet them online while you're at home, or on a dating app (aquarius). Something about your relationship may be taboo perhaps there could be an age gap or there are differences in religious beliefs. You will meet them at a point of change or rebirth, perhaps it also includes moving somewhere.

About which house system to use:

I went down a rabbit hole a while back and saw the light lmao. I've read blogs from astrologers with more than 10 years of experience that stated that they've switched to whole signs because they argue that astrology is not meant to satisfy you or validate your feelings, it's a measure of time and a way to accurately predict & read your life events (which is true). Still, there are many other professional astrologers that use the placidus house system.

Placidus may work psychologically but whole signs make sense mathematically and it's much easier to read especially in extreme cases (houses skipping signs entirely look at Matty Healy's chart for example). However, I still work with both lol.

It's important to realise that astrology takes on many forms. I don't like thinking that one is more accurate than the other because then.. what about vedic astrology? And other house systems for that matter. Thus, I urge you to look at BOTH placidus & whole signs to see the bigger picture especially if you have changes in your chart when using either one.

I'll link some websites for you to read about the discourse between placidus & whole signs users below if you are interested.

i. Why whole signs?

ii. But whole signs don't account for individuality!

iii. In defence of placidus

To put it simply though, I understand the placidus as how one sees themselves & how others may perceive them

while whole signs is the reality of the situation because of how direct it is.

So looking at it from this perspective, let's look at your last question!

7th house vs 8th house:

In the placidus chart,

it says you're someone who is very focused on their close connections. Balance and harmony is very important to you & your relationships. That includes family members, friends and romantic relationships. Since venus is detrimental in aries, & sun in exalted in aries you will find that individuality can come across as a problem or a common issue is your relationships. You may also be uncomfortable showing affection in general.

In the whole signs system however,

you are someone who is very deep & introspective. You have likely gone through many changes & rebirths in your life. Themes of obsession, loss and mental health may appear very often in your identity and love life. Your finances could also play a big role in your life. You invest a lot if your time researching & thinking about the occult i.e tarot, witchcraft & astrology.

As for which one applies the most, people will say placidus but realistically I side with while signs. However, which one you want to go with depends on you it's just a matter of perspective in the end.

Hope this helps ♡

[sun-pluto]

Do you follow vedic or tropical astrology? Whole house or placidus? - And why do you follow this housing system?

I follow both! I studied both since the start, but I was mostly interested in mastering Tropical astrology first since it didn’t involve mythology and religion-based context. But I’ve always read Vedic as well, and honestly I’m starting to think it’s really one of the most accurate systems out there when you take into account the numerous charts they have, the nakshatras and padas, and all the little details. I honestly love it 🥺

For Tropical I follow Placidus but sometimes I either make it Whole or Equal house system to keep things spicy 🌶️ I study the charts of my friends so when I’m curious I like to change things up and see things from a different angle. And for Vedic I always use the Whole sign system since it’s always been used that way. I also think it works best that way because there are loops and troubleshooting things you can do that make up for it to be more precise in its predictions.

My reason for Tropical astrology and using the Placidus house system is honestly because I think it makes the chart really individualised to the person. Yes, Whole sign systems will give you general accurate predictions and maybe even long term predictions, but Placidus gets you straight into the general psychology of the person, and with aspects it makes things make more sense. In the short term at least, it gives me a good idea of who you present yourself to be and how you generally move through life.

Anyway I’ll stop here because I get excited about these things lol but if you have further questions don’t be afraid to ask!!!

[celestialsibyl]

whole sign house system vs placidus

the difference between whole sign house system and placidus is that one of them is time based, the other simply organizes your houses from 0-30 degrees apart, so in the 1H, the ascendant would be marked at the degree within the 1H sign. this evenly distributes the areas of life and lets you apply the triplicities and quadruplicities within the chart, and when analyzing aspects. whole sign is for deeper analyzation and understanding of yourself. personally, i stopped using placidus about 2 years ago, and whole signs did shift my house placements by one but i honestly prefer it that way, because placidus would skip over signs, or overextend a house, the overlapping is just so unnecessary and with whole signs, there is no confusion. the mc is still marked as its own degree, as the ic, asc, and desc. if u have empty houses and they overlap one another, try whole signs and see how it plays out.

[moontrinemars]

Simplest Guide to the House Domains

Disclaimer and further information in blog bio and masterlist.

To understand the houses, you have to understand how the system works - same as with the signs.

✶ We can breakdown houses the same way we can breakdown the signs into elements, modalities, and rounds, but also by rulers and even through the Hero's Journey.

Start with understanding the houses through elements.

✶ The fire houses are the 1st, 5th, and 9th, which rule what we do and to what ends. Their keyword is Actions. Here action refers to behavior, mannerisms, and other ways with which we are identified and our lives are performed. This is the native as a Subject.

✶ Earth houses (2nd, 6th, 10th) rule what we interact with. Interaction refers to ways in which we handle things which exist separate to us in a way that still represents us. An Object is introduced for our Subject to act upon.

✶ Air houses (3rd, 7th, 11th) rule what we connect with.

Connection refers to bonds, relationships, and the ways in which we maintain or forge either. The Subject can now engage with Other Subjects.

✶ Water houses (4th, 8th, 12th) rule how we interconnect and to what end. Interconnection refers to what underlies bonds and connections, the meaning of them. Subject and Other Subjects act upon an Object in tandem or separately.

We can sort these elements into rounds of four. I've defined them with base terms below. These terms refer to both proximity to subject and the subject's relationship to the domain in question.

✶ The first round of elements is initial and instinctive. Here, initial and instinctive refers to how everything in these domains are rooted in the native themself and the immediate circumstances they were born into.

✶ The second round is developed and chosen. Developed and chosen refers to how everything in these domains are rooted in the environment the native encounters and the circumstances they craft therein.

✶ The third is greater and aspirational. Greater and aspirational refers to how everything in these domains are rooted in the universal circumstances of the collective and how the native engages with this.

✶ How do these principles apply specifically to each house?

The first house rules initial, instinctive actions. This includes our impulses, the first impressions we give off, and our bodies.

The second house rules initial, instinctive interactions. This includes our household, our belongings, and our priorities.

The third house rules initial, instinctive connections. This includes our siblings, our surface communications, and our speech patterns.

The fourth house rules initial, instinctive interconnections. This includes our family, home, the culture we are raised in, our past.

The fifth house rules developed, chosen actions. This includes our preferences, our hobbies, our pursuits, our passions.

The sixth house rules developed, chosen interactions. This includes the habits we form, the routines we keep, and the efforts we make.

The seventh house rules developed, chosen connections. This includes partners of all sorts, and valued one on one relationships.

The eighth house rules developed, chosen interconnections. This includes secret keeping/sharing, intimacy, transactions, rituals.

The ninth house rules greater, aspirational actions. This includes faith, beliefs, philosophy, the principles we follow, our role models.

The tenth house rules greater, aspirational interactions. This includes our honor, the services we perform, the goals we have.

The eleventh house rules greater, aspirational connections. This includes our communities, gains, politics, dreams, fame.

The twelfth house rules greater, aspirational interconnections. This includes our place in the universe, karma, the soul, the divine.

Hope this was helpful! Thanks for reading ♡♡♡♡

[vampirae]

Yeas babe about the stellium post...

People always think that you're a solid person you know what to do, you're determined and have strong boundaries but in fact on the inside you feel just like a misfit who's struggling between two personalities always from one extreme to another... You always have self-dubious tendencies but at the same time you're actually know yourself better than anyone does... And like your idea is I guess really a fact that all your life feels like focused on just a specific area for me it's the 10th house... And everything both the bliss and the curse occurs in 10th house themes. So much empty houses and sincerely you be feeling like "why can't I share the same preferences and interests with others?! Why does it have to feel like I'm in a tunnel vision like all the time??". Nevertheless, I love this edginess and polarity🖤🖤🖤

My sweetheart knows everything about me 🖤🖤🖤 Yes, I always feel like I'm juggling two personas, and I'm always having an identity crisis, but I also believe that only I understand myself better than anybody else, regardless of how excellent others are at reading other individuals. Furthermore, while it is true that you should not overidentify yourself with your natal chart, the fact is that many individuals study and utilize their natal chart superficially. The idea is that many individuals do not live their houses to their full potential. The signs are very simple to understand and to relate, but houses are far more convoluted. In the sense that you are born to master the houses in which your planets reside, it is not as natural as having the characteristics of a sign. This is why empty houses aren't an issue because you already know how to navigate them, but occupied houses are challenging to use in your favor. This is why people with a stellium in a house have such internal struggles; they understand better than others that they must put in a lot of effort to master and use the themes to their advantage; if you're not willing to work through it, you'll feel like you're drowning and being overpowered by the house themes and events. This sense of isolation and lack of connection with people can be bothersome at times, but at the end of the day, I'm used to obsessively caring about only a few topics in my life, which can be exhausting at times.

About 10th house stellium:

A stellium in the 10th house frequently signifies a strong desire and purpose for professional accomplishment. Individuals that are extremely driven to attain their objectives, earn recognition, and make a big influence in their chosen industry may be highly motivated. A stellium in the 10th house indicates a natural drive for leadership roles and the urge to exercise power or influence in one's work. These people may have excellent leadership characteristics and succeed in managerial situations. The 10th house stellium indicates that the individual values their public image and reputation. They may be worried about how others see them and try hard to establish a beneficial reputation. This stellium can imply a variety of abilities and skills depending on the planets involved. Individuals with various interests or who excel in several areas may be more versatile in their professional options. A stellium in the tenth house might represent a great desire for achievement and recognition. These people are frequently extremely driven, concentrated, and eager to put in the required work to attain their objectives. While a 10th house stellium might bring tremendous prosperity, it can also bring obstacles. As their employment targets might absorb a significant amount of their time and energy, the individual may be motivated to perpetually prove themselves and may struggle with work-life balance.

[seafoamreadings]

do u use whole sign or placidus? do u use different house systems for different things? any thoughts etc?

I use whole sign most of the time but I like placidus for things like synastry :)

great question~

i use placidus nearly always for nearly everything. it is what i learned first, but also in my personal experience seems to work best. truth be told i have absolutely NO idea why it should be best - i would expect, more logically, for whole signs or equal houses to work best. and they do work fine usually, but not QUITE as nicely as placidus (for me).

but when i write horoscopes here on this blog, since i don't have anyone's personal info there, i do use whole signs. (paid readings get placidus unless otherwise requested.)

i have heard that koch is good for horary but still i have best experience with placidus, personally.

[astrosky33]

Which house system do you prefer: Whole Sign or Placidus?

WHOLE SIGNS SYSTEM all the wayyy! I say this with both experience from readings and my experience at Kepler College, Whole Signs is much more accurate

Placidus mathematically won’t calculate charts correctly. I made a post on this previously that explains this in more depth/detail. I’ll link it here -> 📘

Koch is also another one that can’t calculate correctly

I do believe other systems besides Placidus and Koch work but Whole Signs is my favorite

[novy2sirius]

hi! i get confused when reading anything about the house my sun is placed in because when i use the whole system-my sun is in the 8th house but when i use placidus-my sun is in the 7th house. how should i read my sun placement?

i personally use placidus majority of the time when i’m reading a western astrology chart. i just find it to have more accuracy, but everyone has their own opinion about which they deem to be more true 🩵

[birthdayplant]

Hi! I read that u can read some aspects of natal chart. If is possible I would like to have your interpretation.

Thank u so much!

here's some aspects i immediately noticed.

venus conjunct ascendant and mercury- you're likely very attractive and naturally have a friendly disposition. venusian topics like music, art, and beauty are all huge parts of your life in one way or another. you could dress very nicely too. people likely feel drawn towards you. you may have a had time seeing yourself the way others see you. you are kind and are able to get the attention from others pretty easily.

sun square neptune- might have a hard time separating oneself from the other when in relationships. might struggle with boundaries, codependency, and/or other unhealthy relationship patterns. at times you may feel low on energy and unmotivated when having to do daily mundane things. at other times, you might overwork yourself too much which leads to strain and exhaustion. another thing this aspect can indicate is having a difficult understanding as to who you are as a person. there could be a deep sense of "soul searching" with this aspect. also take care of yr health!

mars opposite uranus, mars square saturn- this can lead to internal restlessness and frustrations. you could get easily angered or frustrated by others, and at times you might catch yourself reacting/saying things before thinking. as much as you want to act on your impulses, you also likely struggle with some sense of control issues. you likely have a strong drive to achieve your goals, but you also can be way too hard on yourself. also probs clumsy.

pluto conjunct midheaven- in extreme cases, this aspect shows your parents might have been controlling or something in your childhood altered your perception of what a family is supposed to look like. you could have felt unsafe within your household at times. your mother specifically could have heavily impacted your childhood. if this isn't the case, this just shows you'll likely undergo major changes within your home and personal and/or internal life.

[the-cosmic-cauldron]

Astrology Observations: ☀️🏡 Sun In Houses ☀️🏡

Disclaimer: When exploring your sun's placement in the houses, you can utilize the Placidus System, but I personally find a stronger connection with the whole sign system. Choose the method that resonates with you the most. This marks the beginning of my house system series, starting with the sun. Following this, I will cover the Moon, and Mercury

Sun in 1st House: When your sun is positioned in the first house, the sign it occupies becomes particularly potent, amplifying its traits significantly. For example, an Aries sun will radiate Aries characteristics more intensely, exhibiting greater assertiveness and energy than usual. Similarly, a Taurus may display heightened stubbornness, while a Cancer could become even more defensive. This placement not only enhances the qualities of your sun sign but also influences your entire astrological chart, creating a dynamic interplay with your rising sign. If your rising sign competes with your sun, it can lead to a powerful yet potentially conflicting personality. For instance, an Aquarius sun in the first house may express more eccentricity and humanitarian traits than typical, while also appearing more detached and logical. This strong emphasis on your sun sign can create a dominant aspect of your identity, leading to feelings of empowerment or confusion as these energies interact. Ultimately, individuals with this placement often feel a strong urge to take action, with their emotional responses or ambitions driving their behavior.

Sun in 2nd House: When your sun is positioned in the second house, your personality tends to be more outwardly expressed. The qualities associated with the sign in this house become visible to others rather than remaining internal. For example, an Aries in this position will actively pursue their ambitions, showcasing their creativity through their career or hobbies. A Leo sun will radiate confidence, often dressing well and leading a vibrant lifestyle, while a Capricorn will demonstrate their ambition and discipline through tangible successes. A Pisces may express their artistic side, whether as a musician or an artist, and could also explore psychic abilities. A Libra, on the other hand, will likely be social, engaging in friendships, mediating conflicts, and advocating for social causes, illustrating how the second house brings these traits into the material world.

Sun in 3rd House: When your sun is positioned in the third house, your sun sign takes on a more intellectual and cerebral nature. This indicates that your experiences and perceptions are filtered through your mind. For example, an Aries in the third house may become more contemplative, often reflecting on their actions rather than acting impulsively. They might prefer to brainstorm and discuss their ideas rather than execute them, leading to a more cautious approach. Similarly, a Taurus may find themselves overthinking their aspirations, focusing on education rather than direct action. A Cancer, instead of intuitively processing emotions, may intellectualize their feelings, adopting a more analytical mindset. This mental activity can lead earth signs to overthink, while water signs may analyze their emotions. Fire signs might feel constrained by their thoughts, delaying action, and air signs could struggle to connect emotionally due to their excessive rationality.

Sun in 4th House: When your sun sign occupies the fourth house, your personality tends to prioritize security across various aspects of life, influenced by the specific sign. You may experience a strong urge to protect what you have, leading to a cautious approach towards risks, as you constantly evaluate how they might threaten your need for stability. For water signs, this can result in a reserved and shy demeanor, preferring the comfort of familiar relationships and hesitating to share emotions unless trust is firmly established. Fire signs may feel pressured to concentrate on a single idea rather than pursuing multiple spontaneous ventures, seeking stability through focused efforts. Earth signs often emphasize external success, ensuring their family's well-being and creating a balanced life free from struggle. Air signs might find it easier to communicate and express themselves within a close-knit circle, feeling more playful and creative in those familiar settings. Ultimately, for those with the sun in the fourth house, the overarching theme is the pursuit of security.

Sun in 5th House: When your sun sign is positioned in the fifth house, pleasure becomes a central theme in your life, driving your pursuits and experiences. For instance, an Aries in this house tends to embody a playful, almost childlike spirit, prioritizing fun over goal achievement, though their inherent ambition remains intact. In contrast, a Capricorn here may adopt a lighter approach, focusing more on enjoying life and celebrating successes rather than adhering strictly to their serious nature. Fire signs in the fifth house radiate energy and are often the life of the party, constantly seeking entertainment and enjoyment. Earth signs emphasize physical pleasures and the luxuries of life, while water signs are engaging and connect deeply with others, lighting up any room they enter. Air signs, on the other hand, are social and humorous, often thriving in comedic or internet-based environments.

Sun in 6th House: When your sun sign occupies the sixth house, your attention often shifts towards lifestyle choices and aesthetics. You tend to be an aesthetic individual, concentrating on curating a lifestyle that aligns with a specific aesthetic vision. These individuals typically seek a focused approach, avoiding scattered energy, and prefer to channel their efforts into a particular style or ideal life. They require a well-structured lifestyle rather than a spontaneous one, as they thrive on planning and order. For Aries, this can lead to a more concentrated energy, while Taurus may become meticulous about their appearance and health. Leos might aspire to be motivational speakers, embodying confidence, whereas Virgos seek an orderly existence. Capricorns focus on ambition and success, and Aquarians often engage in activism, making their sign's traits central to their lifestyle, ultimately emphasizing aesthetics and personal expression.

Sun in 7th House: When your sun sign is positioned in the seventh house, the sign that occupies this house significantly influences how your personality is perceived in social interactions. For example, if you are an Aries, you may not recognize your assertive or bold traits until others highlight them during interactions, as the seventh house can obscure your self-perception. This house reveals aspects of your personality through relationships with family, friends, and romantic partners, prompting a desire for self-discovery. A Taurus might find that their dedication shines through in their relationships, while a Gemini may express their creativity and intellect more vividly in conversations. Essentially, this house acts as a mirror, reflecting your traits back to you through your interactions, making it possible for you to see qualities in yourself that you might not initially acknowledge.

Sun in 8th House: When your sun sign occupies the eighth house, you possess an intrinsic drive to uncover the truth, resembling a detective who shuns superficiality. You resonate deeply with the essence of things, often feeling uncomfortable in shallow settings. For fire signs, this translates into heightened intuition and perceptiveness, leading you to engage deeply with others about your insights. Earth signs may find themselves drawn to strong spiritual beliefs, undergoing significant transformations throughout life. Air signs often emerge as deep thinkers and free spirits, perpetually seeking more knowledge and understanding. Water signs, too, exhibit profound intuition and introspection, diving deeply into subjects and accumulating extensive knowledge. Having your sun in this house enhances your conversational abilities, as you offer unique perspectives shaped by your explorations. However, you may also grapple with darker themes, including heartbreak and trauma, regardless of whether your sign is Leo or Capricorn.

Sun in 9th House: When the sun is positioned in the ninth house, individuals often adopt a belief-driven perspective on life, influenced by the sign residing in this house. Those with their sun here may have deeply entrenched belief systems, whether they are steadfast like a Taurus or more fluid like a Gemini. For instance, a Scorpio sun in the ninth house might exhibit a strong adherence to their beliefs, guiding their life choices, or they could be more open-minded and less secretive than typical Scorpios. This placement can lead to a strong need for a belief system or purpose, with signs like Aries and Leo feeling particularly driven to fulfill their life’s purpose. Additionally, these individuals may have a constant thirst for knowledge, seeking to deepen their understanding of their beliefs.

Sun in 10th House: When your sun occupies the tenth house, it illuminates your life, making it highly visible to others. You tend to stand out in social settings, often exuding a strong energy that captivates those around you. The sign in this house amplifies your public persona; for example, if you are an Aries, your assertive traits may attract job opportunities that require action and independence. Regardless of your other astrological placements, the energy of your sun sign in the 10th house will be the most noticeable aspect of your character. A Cancer sun, for instance, will radiate nurturing and emotional qualities, while a Leo sun may lead to fame and popularity due to its charismatic nature. Similarly, a Capricorn sun will command respect, and a Virgo sun will be recognized for its organization and discipline. Ultimately, having your sun in this position often drives you to showcase the strengths associated with your sign.

Sun in 11th House: When your sun is positioned in the eleventh house, it amplifies a collective energy within your sign. This means that your traits are more likely to shine when you are with friends or in larger groups, while they may be subdued when you are alone or in one-on-one situations. For instance, an Aries might not display their typical assertiveness when by themselves, but in a group setting, their energetic nature emerges. Similarly, a Libra's need for balance may only surface when they engage in community service, revealing their mediative qualities. Essentially, the energy of your sun is most vibrant in social contexts, making you more approachable and friendly, regardless of your sun sign. This influence encourages connections within various communities rather than personal relationships, suggesting that a Leo might thrive online or a Scorpio could find fulfillment in occult groups, highlighting the distinction between collective experiences and personal interactions.

Sun in 12th House: When the sun is positioned in the twelfth house, individuals often find themselves drawn to spirituality, with the specific sign in this placement influencing their spiritual journey. The twelfth house represents ascension, and those with this placement may struggle due to a profound inner drive to explore their true selves on a deeper level. Many people with this placement feel isolated and burdened by heavy energy, which can lead to confusion about pursuing their desires, as seen in a twelfth house Taurus, who yearns for success and luxury but lacks clarity on how to achieve it. The key to overcoming these struggles lies in self-discovery, allowing them to harness their energy effectively. Water signs in the twelfth house face particular challenges due to the emotional turbulence they experience, making it feel like they are swimming against a strong current. In contrast, Earth signs provide grounding, helping to establish control amidst the elusive nature of the twelfth house. Air signs may grapple with mental health issues due to the vast, often misunderstood mental landscape they navigate, leading to confusion and breakdowns. Fire signs, on the other hand, may experience a clash between their desire for action and the constraints of the twelfth house, creating tension in their pursuit of freedom.

[northopalshore]

Hi <333

For starters, I really love reading your blog btw (plus the aesthetics are so cute)

I was just curious about whether I should use Whole Signs system to read my birth chart or Placidus. Is there any preferred type of chart that is more compatible for each system? I looked at Quora and people preferred using Placidus for natal charts while Whole Signs was more for Vedic astrology.

I was feeling kinda conflicted because I compared my natal chart with both systems and I think both styles kinda add up to aspects of my personality and my life. Should I use both?

Thank you :>

Hello, thank you for the compliments (⁠つ⁠≧⁠▽⁠≦⁠)♡

I've just answered this question in an ask right before reading this so, I'll link it here to make it easier for you!

That post basically sums up my opinion on the placidus us whole signs debate.

Hope this helps!