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People aren’t refusing to side with you because they’re transphobic or racist. People are refusing to side with you because you are an asshole who:
1. does nothing but harass people who don’t behave the way you want them to;
2. indiscriminately includes people in your blacklist who are actually trans, non-binary and/or POC;
3. refuses to acknowledge people who have apologized or asked how they can do better;
4. claims to be a voice for phans who are “othered”, but when said phans disagree with you, you mark them off as traitors;
5. portraits yourself as some sort of hero, yet does not confront the one real, actual TERF a lot of people already have blocked/do not interact with;
6. is a bad person in general.
This has been going on for a while now, but people haven’t spoken much about it because a lot of us were deeply hurt. Those who weren’t personally attacked saw their friends having to endure this. Some others who we thought were friends turned their backs on us. Talented, gifted artists and writers, who were a valuable addition to our community, left, or should I say, were chased off. Many of us are still wary of publicly interacting and producing content, whether it be fanfiction or pieces of art.
I do believe, though, that speaking up helps us heal. While I haven’t been personally targeted (yet), friends of mine have and were deeply hurt. I saw loved ones questioning themselves, wondering what they did wrong, trying to give this person the benefit of doubt and in return being lashed out at. But enough is enough.
To everyone who has decided to come forward and speak out, thank you. To everyone who has somehow been affected by the outcomes of this situation, you are not alone, and if you feel like telling your story, I encourage you to share it. Times have been rough, but we are coming out of it stronger and more tight-knit as a community.
As for you, cefantomeenhabitnoir or whatever name they call you now, I pity you. If you cared a little more about hearing what people have to say than about Being Right, maybe you’d be able to understand what an amazing, friendly and inclusive community we have. Try as you might, you can’t take that away from us. Phandom lives, in spite of you.
Fuck you.
#poto#phantom of the opera#phantom#erik#christine daaé#raoul de chagny#raoul#le fantome de l'opera#phandom#ALW#andrew lloyd webber#gaston leroux#black sails#see y’all in hell#fuck cef#cefantomeenhabitnoir#asianphancollective#phandombigotryarchive#trans-flint#blacksailsbookclub#feyfolken#transcastiel#trans-aziraphale#trans-edward-nygma#f de l’o
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I have deliberately not addressed any of this publicly because I felt that pointedly ignoring would be depriving the people in question of what they were looking for: attention, a further division of Us vs Them, playing into their mission of “destroying Phandom”, and giving validity to the complaints of theirs which were demonstrably invalid. But 6+ months on, people are still being affected by it. Enough is enough.
I feel badly that a person who initially wanted to find a community where they could share their thoughts and discoveries and passion for PotO (and who really could have!), instead did a 180 and decided to burn it all down, and I wish that whatever it was that caused them to feel that way had been brought up and given the chance to be addressed, because I think things could have played out much differently. Then again, some people just want to see the world burn, so maybe there never was a chance.
In any case, an absolutely unnecessary amount of harm was done to many people in an effort to keep phandom “safe”. To anyone who has felt targeted by the self-appointed judge of what that means, please know that I have your back — publicly, now!
PS — anyone who has BaePsyche on a blacklist is a straight up fool 😂😂
I’ve been watching the Old Guard fandom deal with a toxic person in their community and I’ve been inspired by how much people are openly talking about what happened and how it affected them personally. The Phantom of the Opera fandom has two very toxic people that are causing a lot of people pain. And no one ever talks about it.
@filthybonnet regularly weaves hateful, dehumanizing terf posts into her PotO blogging. More recently, she has made numerous disgusting comments that Lucy St. Louis’s hiring is mere “virtue signaling.” Few people challenged her on it, but when they did, she doubled down. She isn’t alone - other fans have made similar comments, letting their hatred for Cameron MacIntosh become racialized criticism of Lucy. There has been a general insensitivity towards Lucy: comments about her wig, complaints about the inclusive lyric changes, racist asks being published over and over. This should be challenged publicly. If you see people in the fandom making racist posts, call them on it.
People in our fandom seem reluctant to deal with these issues and as a result they fester. What we think is a “nice” place isn’t actually that nice if it tolerates terfs and racists. And on that point I agree with @trans-flint/@cefantomeenhabitnoir. Despite that my saying so before has landed me on his list a third time, I do actually believe this.
The list is another thing we don’t talk about. I have never addressed the accusations made against me publicly. I don’t want it to seem like I don’t talk about it because I don’t care about being called a racist. I was called some disgusting names after reblogging this post on critical thinking after phandombigotryarchive’s call out of Madame Faust. I reblogged that message because I disagreed with what PBA did. I do think it’s important to call out racism in fandom, but I don’t believe PBA’s goal was ever to actually address racism in fandom, otherwise she would be active today, posting about the racism against Lucy St. Louis. PBA was out to destroy another author, and I don’t agree with that. I did not respond to PBA’s accusations against me because they were absurd. She had no evidence that I am a racist person - because there is none. She knows nothing about me - she couldn’t even get my nationality right (I am white, but I am not Brazilian, and have never pretended to be something I am not). She was clearly angry and nothing I could say would change that, so I kept quiet.
But the list continuously harms people in the PotO fandom and I think by not talking about it we are making it worse. This list of “transphobes” and “racists” includes both trans people and people of color. The list is managed and promoted by @trans-flint/ @transphandom/ @cefantomeenhabitnoir, who is white. So there is this very messed up dynamic of a white person accusing fans of color, many of them Asian, of being racist. Pharoga creators in particular were singled out as being racist and writing “Orientalist” fics even while many Pharoga writers and artists are themselves Asian and actually have lived experience with Orientalism. A white person doesn’t get to tell Asian creators they are being Orientalist. Especially when that white person has also written Pharoga fic. They seem to have deleted it all. So, @trans-flint gets to delete their fics without consequence, while the majority of people on their list are there permanently, without evidence, without opportunity to defend themselves. This is wrong.
The result of this list is not a safer phandom. The result is writers and artists of color leaving the phandom because they do not feel safe, because the list affects their mental health. It means less Pharoga content, less PotO content with a canonical person of color, and less LGBTQ+ content. If posting support for trans rights lands someone on the list again, the result is fewer people in the phandom willing to reblog trans fics and art and support for trans rights. You know who probably doesn’t care about being put on this list? The actual terfs and racists.
I don’t see how this list is helping the phandom become a better place. But then, the creator of the list also states on their blog that they’ve been “destroying phandom since 2020”. How can you say you want to protect people while trying to destroy their fandom at the same time?
#phantom of the opera#le fantôme de l'opéra#transphobia in phandom#racism in phandom#cefantomeenhabitnoir#Phandombigotryarchive#asianphancollective#bullshit#the phantom of the opera#poto#call out post
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Hey, @brbdaly, maybe don’t reblog this post while you’re supporting a blacklist full of POCs managed by another white person?
You, as a white person, have ignored, silenced, and talked over POCs in the Phantom of the Opera fandom for too long. You prize yourself on elevating marginalized identities but only listen to the POCs YOU deem worthy of listening to, so maybe I shouldn’t be surprised that you supported a list determining which marginalized identities are worth listening to. Rest is under cut as this is a long post.
This blacklist was originally created by phandombigotryarchive, who disproportionally targeted POCs who disagreed with her and her methods. She is no longer active in the fandom but is happy repeatedly posting pictures of Asian women in sexy poses over on her other main. It was later promoted by asianphancollective, whose explicit goal was to send targeted harassment against other Asian fans. Now, it’s managed entirely by trans-flint aka cefantomeenhabitnoir aka so many other shell accounts I’m not even going to name them all.
Trans-flint. A white person. Like you.
Yeah sorry, white people piling on POCs for woke points is about the farthest from anti-racist activism you can get.
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That’s fucking rich coming from someone who actively refused to listen to people discussing anti-Asian racism. @helloitskrispy, an Asian person, reached out to you about the anti-Asian racism being perpetuated by phandombigotryarchive, asianphancollective, and trans-flint. Your response was that it was an intracommunity issue, and that Asian people should be listening to the Asians who supported phandombigotryarchive. AKA your two Asian friends.
White people stop using “I have a ___ friend” as an excuse challenge 2021.
Anyways.
Then you turned around and wrote/reblogged these immediately after ignoring Asian voices:
You DO realize that we can talk about anti-Asian racism while addressing antiblackness, right? But then we’d have to look at the inconvenient truth that the people you supported throughout these callouts, phandombigotryarchive and trans-flint, are not Asian while accusing literal Asian people of orientalism. Phandombigotryarchive herself wrote that Pharoga shippers (people who ship Erik/the Phantom and the Daroga) have avoidance of confrontation “in their blood.”
Most Pharoga shippers are Asian.
You’d think it would stop there but. You reblogged this on February 28, 2021:
Not a problem! Anti-racism resources are great to share! And then a day later, another Asian phan, @phannah--montana, reblogged this same post.
That earned her a callout post.
So, let me get this straight, it’s alright for a white person to reblog anti-racism resources but not a literal POC. Gotcha. How progressive.
You want to be seen as a champion of marginalized identities. You want to be seen as a good ally. The thing is, for a white person to be a good ally, you kind of have to listen to other POCs than just the voices you like to hear.
The hard truth of the matter is neither you nor phandombigotryarchive nor trans-flint nor asianphancollective ever cared about antiracism and antiblackness. You did not care if a blog actually campaigned for antiracism if they disagreed with you. You did not even care when several bad actors in the phandom were racist towards Lucy St. Louis. All you cared about was bullying a small fandom into silence so you could control things.
No more.
#the phantom of the opera#racism in fandom#racism cw#star trek#she-ra#les miserables#black sails#good omens#pharoga#erik x christine#the phantom#erik#christine daae#raoul de chagny#the daroga#stop asian hate#fiction isn't an indicator of morality#but your treatment of real people sure as hell is#see y'all in hell#brbdaly#barbara daly
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I had no idea that some of the Phandom drama was trying to say such nasty things about you and as a not-super-active member in Phandom, I just wanted to say I’m so sorry that people feel the need to make such false accusations about you and others. You and your blog are wonderful💛
Thank you - you are really kind.
In all honesty, I have only been caught up with this because I am friends with people against whom direct and unfounded accusations of racism were made.
The people who have been most affected by all these things have been Asian Phans, who have been accused of Orientalism by a white man, and whose names have been placed on a ‘blacklist’ of supposed racists. Asian Phans are repeatedly spoken over and condescended to by this whie man as if his American-centric theoretical understanding of orientalism trumps their day to day lived experience of anti-Asian racism. Asian Phans can do nothing at all to get their names removed from the blacklist that @cefantomeenhabitnoir/@trans-flint/@transphandom promotes and keeps updated. Which is ironic, as he appears to have removed all his PoTO fics from AO3 - fics that contained Orientalist tropes and imagery. It’s one rule for him, and another for everyone else.
Simply blocking any of these accounts is enough to get a person on their blacklist; being tumblr mutuals with anyone on this list is enough to get you put on the list. This clearly makes the list pointless and meaningless and yet @cefantomeenhabitnoir expects people to treat it seriously as a kind of directory of Bad People To Avoid.
I have lost a lovely fandom friend (MadameFaust) who was bullied out of the fandom because of a fic she wrote over five years ago. Despite tagging the fic appropriately (she portrayed period-typical racism but there was absolutely never any sense that she agreed with the racism she portrayed or let alone gloried in it), removing the fic, deleting her tumblr and then removing all of her fics from AO3, this has still not been enough to get her name removed from the list. It is worthwhile noting that MadameFaust wrote fics that were primarily based around the Erik/Daroga pairing (pharoga). The person behind @phandombigotryarchive, and @cefantomeenhabitnoir also wrote pharoga fics.
To criticise the existence of a blacklist is not the same as denying the existence of racism in the fandom. And sadly the list has done nothing at all to remove the actual racists from the phandom - you might have seen the criticism of the West End’s production of POTO casting Lucy St Louis. These posts indicated that the bloggers don’t consider a Black woman should be cast as Christine. These thinly-veiled racist posts went largely unchallenged by the phandom, which is a huge problem in itself. But @phandombigotryarchive and @cefantomeenhabitnoir were nowhere to be seen, despite both claiming to be determined to remove racism from the phandom. Which makes me wonder whether their ‘anti’ campaigns were about stopping racism at all, or whether they were more about bullying a rival author from the phandom.
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Fandom Discourse
I have many special interests, and so my blog is very eclectic. But, I wanted to stand in support of a couple of folks who are having a hard time in the fandom belonging to one of my special interests.
I don’t usually like to pile on, but ableism in this fandom is rampant, and it’s time I said something instead of just feeling sorry for myself.
More on this under the cut.
Firstly, I want to elevate the voice of @phandombigotryarchive and @your-angle-of-music who have pointed out a lot of really really important things that I am, as a white person who loves the music in Phantom of the Opera and Erik, still learning, educating myself on, and researching.
I know, for certain, that I have probably intentionally reblogged things from folks in the fandom and/or inadvertently supported folks on AO3 who are actively making this an unsafe space for POC and trans fans. For that, I am deeply sorry and want to do my homework better before supporting artists/writers who are not showing human decency.
Thank you both for the work that you, and others, are putting into the fandom to make it safer for everyone to interact with.
Additionally, I want to speak to my own relationship with this fandom as an autistic person. I knew, as I read through what was being said recently, that it was time to make my own post about something that has been bothering me about this fandom since I entered into it at the age of 13 long before my official autism diagnosis.
To me, as an autistic person, Erik’s story always resonated with me as someone who is neuroatypical. Erik was living and observing neurotypical people while not knowing how to or having the ability to enter into their community. However, he LONGED for it.
As an autistic person, this made a lot of sense to me. I, too, felt isolated from most other people, even if I was in close physical proximity. It was like a mirror where I could see out into the world, but the world couldn’t find me. So, I found the ALW imagery very applicable to the way I saw the world as early as 6.
However, as I entered into the fandom and read fics from other writers, Erik remained trapped behind an inability to communicate EVEN when he and Christine were in a long standing relationship. He was flighty, obsessive, and just down right weird. I began to wonder if that’s how my romantic relationships would be, and if I would ever be able to be “a normal person” in a relationship with someone else.
Erik in most fanfics, even in one’s I’ve mostly liked, does not get to develop beyond the way he is written in ALW or Leroux’s work. We’ve spent so much time making him “in character” without ever exploring the possibility that Erik might be able to engage in his special interests and develop into a fully functional autistic adult. However, I think, that is in part because we like to demonize and/or infantilize and/or fetishize him.
Erik is not a baby. He’s not a sweet innocent child. He has killed people. He’s done wrong. He is capable of feeling emotions very deeply, including anger. He has a lot of depth that can be explored in fic. But, we don’t. We often reduce him to the weirdly-attractive, strange speaking, Angel-man behind the mirror.
I find this most apparent in the way people write Erik’s dialogue.
The way Erik speaks, in the third person I mean, has always been an issue for me when I read fan fiction as well as the original Leroux text. As someone who talks to themselves quite frequently to help process sensory overstimulation/remember tasks, though not necessarily in the third person, I find it really uncomfortable how people use this in fic. I’m uncomfortable because Erik usually does this either when he’s super angry and beating up on Christine OR when he’s super sad and acting like a child. There’s never any mention of Erik talking to himself in the third person (or at all) when he’s pretending people are interviewing him about his latest composition or when he’s just trying to remember something important.
For me, it’s the context that’s important.
This is just one example of what the demonization and/or infantilization I’ve seen in fic in this fandom.
Others include but are not limited to:
1) Erik’s (often violent) meltdowns:
Why are they problematic in fan fiction in this fandom: meltdowns are not just glorified rage fits. They’re scary and overwhelming. I usually fall asleep on the floor shortly after having one. I don’t just yell, throw something, scare people, and then sulk. If I’m violent at all, it’s towards myself.
2) Erik’s obsession with Christine
Why is it problematic in fan fiction in this fandom: a lot of people sort of poke fun at Erik’s social ineptness when it comes to dealing with his romantic feelings for Christine (for example the life size mannequin of her). Yes, Erik loves her. However, do we really have to perpetually treat him like a high school boy? Do we have to make his crush really predatory just for character development? Is this really the only thing he loves? The answer to all of these questions is no - in case you were wondering.
You know what I’d like to see Erik love more? His music and his organ. Can we give Erik’s organ and his music the love and rightful place in his life that they also deserve? For once, can we acknowledge that Erik’s special interests are as important to him as Christine? No. We can’t. We won’t.
3) Putting Erik in socially uncomfortable positions for character development
Why is it problematic in fan fiction in this fandom: Neuroatypical people’s pain is not for you to profit off of in your fics. Period. It’s not character development. It hinders our character development. I am not a more “well developed character” for the number of socially awkward/ bullying situations that I’ve been forced into. Putting Erik in crowded spaces and giving him panic attacks sucks ass. No. Stop doing it. Find a better way, or just stop writing it all together.
This is not an exhaustive list, but it is something that I’ve wanted to bring up for years. It feels nice to get this off my chest.
TL;DR: Erik’s passions, lack of social skills, and other “quirks” of his character always made him a character I empathized with because he was like me. I don’t understand why people use these same quirks to infantilize, fetishize, and/or demonize him. I, an autistic adult, am not a child, not a fetish, and not evil.
#tw long post#the phantom of the opera#phantom of the opera#erik phantom#phantom of the opera fandom#pip does life#pip does autism#special interest#pip rambles
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Brb, I guess I do not understand why you are siding with someone who says “white people cannot like or draw black characters” and “white people are evil” and yet you only exclusively draw race-bent and black characters and are not black or a POC. You don’t see any issue with that?
Someone vocalizing their discomfort with the recurrence of racist imagery from nonblack and white artists shouldn’t be taken as a personal attack. If all you got from @phandombigotryarchive is that “white people cannot like or draw black characters,” you stopped listening to what was really being said.
It’s easy for people to oversimplify the issue of representation in art. By suggesting that a black person must use polite and specific language to address anti-blackness (as opposed to language that doesn’t coddle white people, as done in the original post) is ignoring the root of the issue.
If you cannot access @phandombigotryarchive‘s blog, educate yourself using the countless other resources people of color have created for these exact situations. I’ve put some below, do more research on your own.
(Writing about Slavery, Racism in Fandom, Slavery in Film, Coping in Fandom)
My goal when representing communities of color will always be how it’s received by someone of a different race/ethnicity. I don’t care how my art is received by other white people, but by those I’m representing in my art.
Some creators don’t make content of color for people of color, though. I believe that once a creation begins to address things the creator has no connection to, the story no longer belongs to them entirely. For example, a white artist may paint a picture of a black person, but it belongs to black audiences and all critique should be listened to attentively.
By catering to a largely white audience instead of those you are representing, their trauma, histories, and stories are being exploited for white entertainment.
I’ve drawn racist art in the past before and I’ll probably end up drawing something racist in the future if I fail to consider the feelings and history of those I depict. If audiences of color are hurt by my actions and don’t want to see my art because of that, they should never be guilted for doing so.
I hope this helps you understand.
#answered asks#racism in fandom#racism#antiblackness mention#antiblackness in fandom#racism cw#representation in art#slavery mention#slavery cw#Anonymous
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Ok so shoutout to @phandombigotryarchive’s (ily /p) blog for letting me know how hellish this fandom is. Poto is one of my hyperfixations, but I want absolutely nothing to do with this fandom, so I’ve decided I won’t associate with the fandom but rather just enjoy poto on the side. As a gay trans man, I want absolutely nothing to associate with the fandom knowing that for how small it is, so many blogs are transphobic, racist, etc. And if you know me at all, I will not, under any circumstance, allow scummy people like that to associate themselves with me. To those of the poto fandom who aren’t any of those, have a lovely evening or whatever time it is for you, and I hope you can make it out of this awful fandom soon. For those who are, I’ll see you in hell. -Host
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So, I still have a few more things to say. And then I think I might be done with this topic. I write this for the record.
One of the strangest things about @phandombigotryarchive /@wjsnsfriend is how she turned on so many people who once supported her fics. She has since changed usernames on ao3 and made her Pharoga fics anonymous – but they’re still there. And you can see all the people who left kudos and nice comments who were eventually harassed and driven out by PBA/@wjsnsfriend and @trans-flint.
The only interaction I had with PBA/@wjsnsfriend before February 2021 was when I left a nice comment on her fic Tristeza não tem fim. I was excited to see that title and to read in the notes that she had been inspired by the 1959 film Orfeu Negro. The interaction we had in her comments is probably why she mistakenly thinks I am Brazilian. Because she assumes things without knowing anything.
I’ve written two posts about this complicated film here and here. It is both one of my favorite films and also a deeply problematic piece of art. So problematic that Barack Obama wrote about his negative experience watching it in his book Dreams of My Father. In other words, it needs to be viewed with nuance. Nuance PBA did not lend Madame Faust’s work.
While Orfeu Negro is a Portuguese-language film, made in Brazil with an all Black cast, it was directed by a white French man, Marcel Camus. He was married to the lead actress, the Black American Marpessa Dawn, at the time of filming.
Among many issues with the film is a really awful and racist scene involving watermelon. I mention this scene in this post. [Photo after the cut]
I don’t criticize the quality of PBA’s fic or her use of Orfeu Negro as inspiration. I think the film is important enough to transcend the racism inherent in most films made at that time. But I find it extremely hypocritical that she would excoriate another author for addressing themes of slavery and racism in fanfiction while uncritically enjoying a film made by a white French man as problematic as this one.
What was it about Madame Faust that really bothered PBA? And let’s not forget that PBA didn’t work alone. @trans-flint/ @cenfantomeenhabitnoir /elegantidler had a lot to do with PBA’s actions in February and March of 2021. They are both responsible for trying to destroy another author and to cause harm to as many people as possible within the Phantom of the Opera fandom. I wonder how long it took for them to plan it all out? From the tags in this post it looks like @trans-flint had some idea that he was going to start hurting people at least as of January 1 2021.
Why Madame Faust? Both PBA and @trans-flint wrote Pharoga fics and MF a was a popular Pharoga writer. And she is a nice person who they rightly assumed wouldn’t fight back. Within that MF call out post there was a long tirade about how all Pharoga writers are racist and Orientalist, again making assumptions about who Pharoga writers really are, completely ignoring non-white people in the PotO fandom.
I am not a Pharoga writer. PBA never came after any of my fics. I don’t think she even reads fic – not even MF’s fic beyond searching for some quotes to take out of context. I have often wondered why I was targeted by PBA - she wrote absolutely sickening lies about me – why was I even in her sights? Here’s what I think: PBA and @trans-flint went after people who shared common interest with them. I believe @trans-flint encouraged PBA to come after me because just a week before the MF post on February 25, I made a proposal for a PotO Paris Commune Week to be held in May. Clearly, he found this intolerable.
@trans-flint makes a lot of assumptions about the phandom and about how stupid he thinks we all are. The tags are interesting. While I am politically sympathetic to the Paris Commune, the execution of their 62 hostages was the worst thing they did and it damaged their reputation in history for decades. Leroux plays heavily upon this bad reputation too. Maybe the Commune was good – but executing hostages is always vile. Commune Week went really well, by the way. Even if PBA tried to spam the tag with some k-pop reblogs, because that’s not racist or fetishizing at all.
PBA reblogged this post from @trans-flint on March 5 2021 and she again insists that I am Brazilian and again tells lies about me.
I have never tried to excuse the trans-Atlantic slave trade – and neither did Madame Faust. It’s all lies. It’s disgusting that she would say this. It makes a mockery of actual racism. There is racism in the PotO fandom, absolutely. But MF’s fic was not it.
I never complained about anything PBA did until August 2021. It took me a while to get some perspective on what happened. But I think I get it now. @trans-flint and PBA laid out that MF post like a trap. They created something so outrageous that it would horrify everyone in the fandom, even people just watching it unfold. They were probably always going to make a list – that post was just a way to collect names. If PBA actually cared about racism in PotO, she would be out here calling out those who have said awful things about Lucy St. Louis. But she’s not. Her work is done.
But they’ve already lost. Their list has been proven meaningless. It protects no one. Even PBA seems to have forgotten about it. And I think the phandom should too. Let @trans-flint drive himself crazy trying to update it without using excel.
#phantom of the opera#le fantôme de l'opéra#gaston leroux#black sails#wjsn#racism in fandom#poto#hypocrisy#see y'all in hell#pharoga#les misérables#good omens
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Post by phandombigotryarchive reblogged by @cefantomeenhabitnoir / @trans-flint / @transphandom with endorsing tags.
Knowing that a number of Pharoga writers, artists, and fans are not white shines a different light on this post, doesn’t it? This remark of “complicity” being “in their blood” sounds messed up to me. Non-white Phantom of the Opera fans were harshly targeted by both PBA and the Asian Phan Collective - created specifically to antagonize Asian phans that did not agree with PBA or @trans-flint. Not only were they called racist, they were accused of being “white-aligned” for not falling in line with PBA’s rhetoric. Check out the tags on this PBA post:
Neither PBA nor @trans-flnt are from Iran, or Asia, or can claim a lived experience of Orientalism. But many of the writers and artists they targeted with their harassment and call-outs and accusations of racism and Orientalism were not white. Who were they trying to “educate”? Who were they trying to “protect”?
PBA and @trans-flint seemed to operate with the assumption that the entire PotO fandom is made up of white cishet women. For full disclosure, I fit that description myself. But it is clear from the outpouring of stories shared last week about harassment within PotO, that this is a diverse fandom with people from all over the world, of various perspectives. Attacking all Pharoga writers and artists inherently attacks Asian creators too. And neither PBA nor @trans-flint are in the position to call the work of Asian creators “Orientalist”.
Numerous testimonies of the ways PBA and @trans-flint have hurt non-white PotO writers, artists, and fans can be found in the notes and tags of this post and this post.
Is there racism in phandom? Yes, definitely. Should we do everything we can to fight against it? Absolutely. Should we let these two be the moral authority of what is and isn’t racism and Orientalism? No.
Should we let them scare off any more writers and artists from our fandom? Fuck no.
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If you’ve been harassed by @cefantomeenhabitnoir, or any of their shell accounts like @transphandom or @trans-flint, or by @phandombigotryarchive (@wjsnsfriend), or @asianphancollective, have you considered reporting it?
What these bloggers have done constitutes harassment. Their actions have caused IRL mental health crises for several people. @trans-flint has doxxed at least one person on their list - which is a crime. Check out Tumblr’s Community Guidelines and see if what they did to you applies as a reportable offense.
Did they screenshot and post any of your original art or fics?
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I've been watching the Old Guard fandom deal with a toxic person in their community and I've been inspired by how much people are openly talking about what happened and how it affected them personally. The Phantom of the Opera fandom has two very toxic people that are causing a lot of people pain. And no one ever talks about it.
@filthybonnet regularly weaves hateful, dehumanizing terf posts into her PotO blogging. More recently, she has made numerous disgusting comments that Lucy St. Louis's hiring is mere "virtue signaling." Few people challenged her on it, but when they did, she doubled down. She isn't alone - other fans have made similar comments, letting their hatred for Cameron MacIntosh become racialized criticism of Lucy. There has been a general insensitivity towards Lucy: comments about her wig, complaints about the inclusive lyric changes, racist asks being published over and over. This should be challenged publicly. If you see people in the fandom making racist posts, call them on it.
People in our fandom seem reluctant to deal with these issues and as a result they fester. What we think is a "nice" place isn't actually that nice if it tolerates terfs and racists. And on that point I agree with @trans-flint/@cefantomeenhabitnoir. Despite that my saying so before has landed me on his list a third time, I do actually believe this.
The list is another thing we don't talk about. I have never addressed the accusations made against me publicly. I don't want it to seem like I don't talk about it because I don't care about being called a racist. I was called some disgusting names after reblogging this post on critical thinking after phandombigotryarchive's call out of Madame Faust. I reblogged that message because I disagreed with what PBA did. I do think it's important to call out racism in fandom, but I don't believe PBA's goal was ever to actually address racism in fandom, otherwise she would be active today, posting about the racism against Lucy St. Louis. PBA was out to destroy another author, and I don't agree with that. I did not respond to PBA's accusations against me because they were absurd. She had no evidence that I am a racist person - because there is none. She knows nothing about me - she couldn't even get my nationality right (I am white, but I am not Brazilian, and have never pretended to be something I am not). She was clearly angry and nothing I could say would change that, so I kept quiet.
But the list continuously harms people in the PotO fandom and I think by not talking about it we are making it worse. This list of "transphobes" and "racists" includes both trans people and people of color. The list is managed and promoted by @trans-flint/ @transphandom/ @cefantomeenhabitnoir, who is white. So there is this very messed up dynamic of a white person accusing fans of color, many of them Asian, of being racist. Pharoga creators in particular were singled out as being racist and writing "Orientalist" fics even while many Pharoga writers and artists are themselves Asian and actually have lived experience with Orientalism. A white person doesn't get to tell Asian creators they are being Orientalist. Especially when that white person has also written Pharoga fic. They seem to have deleted it all. So, @trans-flint gets to delete their fics without consequence, while the majority of people on their list are there permanently, without evidence, without opportunity to defend themselves. This is wrong.
The result of this list is not a safer phandom. The result is writers and artists of color leaving the phandom because they do not feel safe, because the list affects their mental health. It means less Pharoga content, less PotO content with a canonical person of color, and less LGBTQ+ content. If posting support for trans rights lands someone on the list again, the result is fewer people in the phandom willing to reblog trans fics and art and support for trans rights. You know who probably doesn’t care about being put on this list? The actual terfs and racists.
I don't see how this list is helping the phandom become a better place. But then, the creator of the list also states on their blog that they've been "destroying phandom since 2020". How can you say you want to protect people while trying to destroy their fandom at the same time?
#phantom of the opera#le fantôme de l'opéra#poto#pharoga#erik x christine#racism in phandom#gaston leroux#black sails#orientalism#supernatural#good omens#les misérables#hannibal#wjsn#@wjsnsfriend
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I just wanted to share with the phandom that reporting those PBA posts WORKED. Thank you Tumblr. Two posts PBA made about me had content removed today because she posted a screenshot of a photograph that I took personally. This is called Misattribution.
Did @phandombigotryarchive or @trans-flint or @asianphancollective take a screenshot of your art, photos, fics, or anything else considered intellectual property in order to harass you on Tumblr? Report it and get it taken down. Find the links to report above. Reblog this so everyone gets the message. You don’t have to be afraid of these people. You can DM me or send an Ask if you have any questions.
If you’ve been harassed by @cefantomeenhabitnoir, or any of their shell accounts like @transphandom or @trans-flint, or by @phandombigotryarchive (@wjsnsfriend), or @asianphancollective, have you considered reporting it?
What these bloggers have done constitutes harassment. Their actions have caused IRL mental health crises for several people. @trans-flint has doxxed at least one person on their list - which is a crime. Check out Tumblr’s Community Guidelines and see if what they did to you applies as a reportable offense.
Did they screenshot and post any of your original art or fics?
Did they screenshot and post any of your copyrighted content?
Did they harass or bully you? All of the blogs mentioned above have engaged in coordinated harassment of Tumblr users. You can only report what happened to you personally. But it happened to a lot of us.
Is your name on @trans-flint’s list? Report it to Google.
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