#pantheon amc

[marshishu-0]

I never want to forget this analysis.

One thing I find interesting about Pantheon season 2 is the difference between Holstrom and Caspian. Now there are a lot of differences between them, but I’m talking about the the big one. The one that made it so that Caspian could cure the flaw, but Holstrom couldn’t. I’m talking about how each of them feel love. 

Now, throughout the entire second season it’s all, but explicitly stated that Holstrom couldn’t understand love and that’s why he could’ve never fixed the flaw.

It’s a good way to highlight how the two genetically identical men differ, why one is our secondary protagonist while the other is the main antagonist. It also shows the audience Caspians understanding of love though his growing relationship with Maddie throughout the season.

But some viewers may be confused by this difference. After all doesn’t Holstrom have a love interest in Renee?

In fact don’t they spent a large amount of time collaborating on Holstrom’s plan, with her essentially being his arm in the physical world? Does their love not count just because they’re evil?

Well no. At least that’s not the reason their “love” doesn’t count. But to explain why we need to talk about how the show conceives of love.

In Pantheon love isn’t just about people liking each a lot. Not even to the point of where they’re willing to do a lot for their partners. Love is when people push each other along with supporting them.

Real love, to Pantheon, is challenging each other to be better and making each other better. It’s give each other perspective that they couldn’t have on their own. Love is something active between the people sharing it, it can’t be mindless adoration.

We see this healthier love with several of the couples throughout the show. David and Ellen start with several fundamental disagreements over the UI situation, to the point where it drives them apart at first. But when they reconcile you can tell how much they love each other even if they never officially get back together. Then you have Olivia and Farhad, who the show spends an entire episode displaying how they challenge and complete each other.

And of course, we have Maddie and Caspian.

You could make a whole separate post about how their viewpoints change and clash throughout the series while strengthening their relationship. But suffice it to say that the show views their love as the truest it could be.

And taking all this into consideration it should be obvious by now why the show considers Stephen and Renee’s relationship not to be an example of love. Renee doesn’t contribute intellectually to any part of it, she is ok simply fauning over the eccentric genius. While Stephen is content with basically being a relationship with a yes woman who goes along with everything he says and does.

And the most insidious part of their relationship in my opinion also relates to why Renne was chosen to play the part of Caspian’s mother.

We see in the interviews with Holstrom about his past that he never really cared intellectually about anything his mother said. He saw her as someone to care for, and thus receive care in return. Some may call this unconditional love, but Pantheon considers it an unhealthy love.

And as you probably noticed, the way Holstrom described his relationship with his mother sounded awfully similar to his relationship with a certain someone.

Which makes their already messed up dynamic even creepier. Especially when you consider how they wanted to shape Caspian.

TLDR: Holstrom couldn’t cure the flaw not because he couldn’t convince of love, but because his very conception of love was itself flawed.

[lilliandanta]

I'm missing their future.😭😭

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[jabamint]

Nobody said it was easy

No one ever said it would be this hard

Oh take me back to the start

[hethress]

I haven’t watched Severance but based on the summary of the show it seems to have the same vibe of what Logorhythms was doing with the UIs

[marshishu-0]

Another analysis by this brilliant fandom. Need to reblog.

Can we talk about how pantheon weaves the exploration of grief into every aspect of its story!!!!!! Specifically, the show captures the complex nurture of grief by highlighting the different stages of grief through its individual character and how they progress throughout the story

First, you have Ellen, who represents denial. She lost her husband, David, and somewhat forces acceptance upon herself and her daughter. Even though the story picks up after David’s death, we see Ellen’s journey through grief when David comes back. Ellen’s acceptance of her loss is juxtaposed with denial. When her husband comes back, she’s confused and hurt. She doesn’t want to accept he’s back because, well how could she? She’s lived two long painful years without him. She’s gone through so much, having to accept that he’s gone just for hime to come back. She’s terrified with the pain that comes along side embracing him. If she accepts him as alive again, she also has to accept the possibility of losing him again. She has to learn to accept the pain that accompanies love. Even though she eventually accepts David, her denial to his resurrection is still highlighted earlier on in the show.

There’s also Chanda. He is a not so subtle representation of the anger associated with grief. He literally burns a building and kills a family because he was blinded by his grief. He was grieving his life, and how he would never live as he once did. All of his actions are propelled by his anger over the loss of his life. He is desperately trying to achieve what he never got the chance to while he was human. He’s trying to create the world he never got to live in. He can’t accept the way things are because he’s still stuck in his anger over his loss.

Next, there’s Cody. He represents bargaining. He can’t accept the loss of his wife, so he does anything minimize and postpone his sadness. He doesn’t question or deny Laurie when she comes back like Ellen did with David. Rather he accepts her without a second thought. His actions aren’t solely propelled by love, but rather his avoidance to pain. Even before he knew Laurie’s upload was successful, he didn’t accept that she was gone. He still felt that she was alive and the same as she had been. When she came back, he did anything for Laurie because he didn’t want to lose her or accept that things had changed. He did everything in his power to keep things the same and try to live as he did before. When Laurie is prepared to die to spread her message to the world, he doesn’t accept losing her again. Rather, he prepares to “reboot” her and keep thing the way the are, even though they’re not.

Next there’s Capsian, who represents depression. Now the thing he’s mourning is a bit different from the other characters in this analysis. He isn’t mourning the physical death of someone, but rather the death of his innocence. He found out he was a clone and that his entire life was a lie. Everything he thought he knew wasn’t real, and that’s terrifying. While he goes through the other stages of grief, the show draws attention to the depression part of grief through Caspain. He quickly recognizes the true extent of his loss but still struggles to accept and cope with it. Thus, he is easily manipulated by Pope and throws himself into curing the flaw because to him it’s a way to avoid the looming hopelessness of his situation. He’s lost interest and passion for the things he once cared about, and focuses on what he feels he has to do. He feels hopeless, and desperately trying to cure the flaw is his way of trying to reclaim agency. If he solves the problem, he regains some control over the hopelessness he feels.

Finally, there Maddie, who represents the complex journey to acceptance. Throughout the show, she experiences all the stages of grief. The show focuses on her journey to accepting the loss of her father and the life she once had. We watch her go through the stages of grief at her own pace and eventually come to terms with her loss. We watch her grow into the person that can eventually let her father pass. We watch her move forward despite her loss. She still is in unimaginable pain because of the death of her father, but she still keeps moving.

While all of the characters experience all the stages of grief, it feels like the show focuses on specific stages with specific characters. Pantheon displays how grief is complicated and messy, and not just some straight line. It highlights non-linear growth and how character progress and regress throughout their respective journeys with grief. It shows how grief isn’t something that it easily overcome, but rather a long and exhausting process. It shows through its main cast how each stage of grief is its own journey and hurtle to overcome. Pantheon demonstrates that even after you accept loss fully, it doesn’t take away from the immense pain loss causes you to feel. All you can do is keep moving forward.

[fartguitar]

Would you guys still love me if I unironically drew a piece of holstrom and renee (I look at you with my big wet eyes)

[stardewfalls]

Man I really think the only reason Pantheon isn't more popular on here is because there isn't a hot age appropriate guy to ship Caspian with and tumblr hates women

[evilwizard]

Hey, Happy Last Day of 2024! We made it! 🎉

My New Year’s gift to myself is casting a malicious spell that makes you all HAVE to watch AMC’s Pantheon. It’s required.

It drives me crazy how few people know about this gem of a show. The characters are endearing and relatable, and the story plays with the boundaries of tech, fantasy, and AI anxiety with a lot of skill. One of the best sci-fi shows of the best decade, and AMC gave it absolutely zero advertising.

You can find it on Netflix, or by sailing the High Seas (if you know what I mean).

Good luck, and make sure you go into it blind! (TW for a few scenes of animated gore in the first couple episodes, and for themes of unreality and depersonalization.)

[stellaafterdark]

Lawyer for 1st trial: Your Honor he was not in his right mind.

Lawyer for 2nd trial: Your Honor he did not commit a crime, only attempted to do so

“Phil follows a tourist down the sidewalk, eyeing the wallet in his back pocket. As Phil reaches toward the back pocket, another bystander grabs his arm and prevents him from taking the wallet. Phil likely could be charged with attempted larceny.

Pam finds out that her husband has cheated on her. She mixes poison into his drink. However, Pam miscalculates the dose and puts too little poison into the drink to kill a person of her husband’s size. Pam likely could be charged with attempted murder.”

What’s the penalty for attempted mass murder …?

“The punishment for attempt often depends on the punishment for the attempted offense. For example, Florida provides the following hierarchy for sentencing:

Attempt of a capital felony: first-degree felony (up to 30 years)

Attempt of a life felony or a first-degree felony: second-degree felony (up to 15 years)

Attempt of a second-degree felony: third-degree felony (up to 5 years)

. . .

Texas similarly treats a violation of the criminal attempt statute as an offense one category lower than the offense attempted.”

So … what’s “one step below” terrorism? LOL

“Federal law does not include a general prohibition against attempting a crime. However, various provisions in the U.S. Code prohibit attempts to commit certain specified federal crimes.”

Kinda seeming like our guy could get off the hook with a good legal defense, at least with regard to U.S.A. law???? But the U.N. probably operates differently. Idk.

free my man, he did it all but I don’t care

[angelaleo]

Ate these shows up like a Christmas feast.

[washeduprockstr]

might as well post my caspian doodle. just finished season one. pantheon is absolutely wonderful, and i wish it had more of a cult following

[meganlxm]

Some doodles of emo steve jobs jesus and my girl laurie>=D

Dont usually use tumblr but a lot of pantheon folks are active on here so i had to get on with it :”D

[marshishu-0]

BROTHER PLEASE, THIS FANDOM IS SMALL AND YOURE TWISTING THE ANALYSIS KNIFE

Pantheon thoughts:

The whole Nostalgia theme hit me today, especially the whole "Nostalgia for the Future" that MIST had. It's strange right? But I get it now. I've never really had a particularly happy life. Depression and Anxiety stole my teen years from me, and then the Pandemic stole my college years.

But, the hope, that tomorrow will be better, that in some everdistant future, you will be happy? Oh man, that's what keeps me going. There's an odd grief there when you think about it, when you realize that future could never come, or it could come, but it would be too late for you.

It's a longing for happy times, happy places, happy people. The longing for a time you can never go to.

Now Imagine you're MIST, you have this nostalgia, and this realization that maybe you won't see a future where you're not so alone, where you're accepted even though you're not flesh and blood. Your sister and her boyfriend are in a way, trying to stop this future from happening. Then Holstrom comes along and tells you "I can bring that future now, in a few years, you can have happy times, happy people, happy places, where you can be happy".

Like, damn, I might have just taken his offer.

[bluebunnymoose]

After rewatching scenes from Pantheon season 2 for the scrillionth time in days, I spotted this neat little easter egg:

Did anyone else notice that the book Caspian is reading is the book containing short stories that the show was based on??

(Seriously, if you haven't seen Pantheon give it a shot when season 1 comes to Netflix this week)

[jabamint]

“Pain reminds you the joy you felt was real.”

Blade Runner 2049 x Pantheon

[paranoidentropy]

My first post here🗣

I watched pantheon now that is streaming on Netflix and I LOVED it soo muchh😭

I'm so obsessed with this show!!🗣💥💥💥

So, I wanted to do a fanart based on "like him", by Tyler the Creator ft.Lola Young, and I hope you like it:)