#p4dan

[hypogryffin]

drawing kanami is like addicting actually

[dekuboya]

Hi big ol p4 dump bc I was replaying it the past couple months and I still love Yosuke (ft. funny little Dojima by @doodleynan)

[ardour-87]

[aegis-vamp]

Self insert AU time babyyyy

Credits: WukiWakoto, personaparadise and Xelandis

[disasterinbound]

kinda miffed but not really that there isnt any change of dialogue in new game + when you equip the drag costume on yosuke before the beauty pageant

but it would be really funny if yu just whips out the drag costume, and yosuke's just like "oh is that for the girls?"

"it's for you :)"

"haha, great joke partner. it's a joke, right? partner-?"

":)"

idk what he would say about it in-dungeon tbh. perhaps he'd say something like "where did you even get this from??? and why me?????"

teensy tiny part of me wants for when the drag pageant comes he's totally used to it (but still unhappy and also annoyed about being comfortable).

maybe when chie gets out the costume he's like "is that-? WERE YOU THE ONE WHO GAVE THAT TO PARTNER??????"

another part of me says SCREW CANON I EXIST and yosuke and yu ties for first place with teddie because yu with his new game plus knowledge goes "hey chie what if you didnt do any makeup" and the day is saved.

bonus souyo: yosuke gets some lipstick on his lips but chie is like ???? i didnt put any on you, where'd you get that from

meanwhile yu (with smeared lips) looks incredibly smug with himself as yosuke turns into an exact impression of a tomato

[kavehsleftearring]

oh.. its over... 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

screaming crying i am so emotional over them auudghshs 😭😭😭😭💀💀😭💀💀💀😭💀🥺🥺👍💀

[hypogryffin]

May I request casual kanami mashita? (As in the glasses and brown hair look). I think she's really cute, thank you!

[flyfish1999]

my current persona collection ^_^ !!! im pretty sure the only things not in this photo are my wallscroll and my framed picture of ryoji lol (but i made that myself :p ) ive accumulated too much stuff ... i think the minato towel is the silliest thing i own

[aegis-vamp]

Was in a Sakura Miku mood

Credits: Sasuke-bby/SamuelLovesMilk

[moeatsushi]

returning hyperfixations are bad for my wallet ........

[eyepatchdate]

as of today i've played every persona game yayyy

[cyrantelnovapaleorayeeso]

U know fighting with fashion doesnt sound weird if u look at rhythm games with plots

[thedetectiveofinaba]

I am once again reminding people that Yu Narukami is canonically intimidated of a glaring/intense Noot :')

[taldigi]

You wrote a b2i scene where yu and akira discuss what’s it’s like to “stop being a wildcard”. Is that in the sense of no longer being an active persona-user-slash-velvet-room-guest, or has Yu lost access to all his personas save Izanagi? Is akira still a wildcard during the b2i train mystery? (Is nanako a wild card?)

I based the train of thought on how most sequel games have the mains only have their "true" persona. It's only Izanagi who appears in p4au and p4dan, and (iirc) only Arsene appears in tactica as a "usable" persona, with other persona acting as "sub-persona". (I haven't played strikers yet, but I think there are other persona to collect?)

Story-wise, it's that Yu and Joker no longer have contracts with the Velvet Room, so their abilities as a wildcard have gone stagnant. Excess persona that are not their true persona have sort of.. returned to the sea of souls, or "settled down" into a singular one. (Most persona speak of lending their power upon capture or creation, so i also feel it's not permanent.)

It's a good explanation for why they do not carry their persona rosters through different games, (and why Joker might need to rebuild his roster in Strikers?? i'm avoiding too much info on strikers because I do want to play it sometime!)

Should they gain another contract or have their access to fusion services restored, so would their status as "wildcard". But lorewise, for B2I, they never will. Their journeys are over, so their time as wildcards is also over (and B2I overrides Strikers, timeline-wise. So it doesn't happen.)

It's part of Ren's story that he has to terms with the concept that he'll never be Joker again, and how hard that it is for him. (But that doesn't mean he has to give up being a persona-user overall. Many persona users work with the shadow operatives and several IT members visit the TV world to "walk" or "stretch" their persona.)

Also no, Nanako is not a wildcard. But she deserves to be. Cmon persona 6.

[theotherseapancakes]

Psssst. You mentioned no one cares about Philemon, but now I'm curious if you have any thoughts about his role in the games after he disappeared. And for sillies sake, does he have anything to do with the Dance games?

I have been waiting my entire life for this. Anon do you realize how verbose I'm going to get. DO YOU REALIZE? I hope you like read mores. Let me preface this with I am aware and have seen some popular theories, so I'm going to sidestep a lot of them and present one I've built since... well, I became a Persona fan as a teenager. MAJOR PERSONA SERIES SPOILERS LIKE THE ENTIRE THING OK? OK. yes even royal.

The P2 PSP additional scenario is so incredibly important and I think everyone missed the point of it. THE PERSONA 2 PSP ADDITIONAL TATSUYA SCENARIO!!!! It's beyond important, because it reveals to us Philemon can have more than one Avatar we know about, just like Nyarly. (Casual reminder he's like half the shopkeeps in P2. Time Count, anyone? Why was the Time Count so hot. Anyway.) Disclaimer: I'm just a casual fan who has played a LOT of Persona and SMT. I haven't gotten around to all of them, but I've played/finished both paths of 1, 2, 3 (and p3p) as well as 4 and 5. Didn't manage to get my hands on Golden but I've seen enough of it. (It's funny you ask about the dance games, they're the only ones I don't have right now! But my roommate does, and will be gone for a few months soon, perhaps I will take the time to start with p4DAN. I'm atrocious at rhythm games though so more than likely I'll find a video. Anyway.) WHAT is Philemon? If we can't define that, we can't talk about The Positivity Guy Ever.

So let's talk about Phil. He's a fascinating character. His Persona is just a form of Himself, But Cooler. And he seems to HAVE no set shape, not unlike Nyarlathotep. People have various theories about Shadows and their origins etc., but Phil is more like that vote of confidence in people. I think, personally, that after the end of Innocent Sin, Phil's been pretty weak. We see in Eternal Punishment he's fading pretty roughly, and has a hard time talking to the party. Presumably ending Nyarly might to some degree fix things when Deja-vu Boy goes home, but... the problem is, we don't know how fixed they truly ended up being, or the full depth of how much he could/did expend!

In fact, the first time we even see Phil without the dumb mask is when Tatsuya decks him. Pay close attention to that fact. To the mask motifs here. I want you to really soak in Phil's everything. He's a leader. A kind soul. He's the good of people. He wants to believe the best.

Anyway, most of these things overlook what I find really interesting as we've gotten more games worth of lore: he and Nyarly aren't the only eldritch entities walking around like that. Yes, Nyx is one too. Yes, it's probable she may even be their 'mom'. It's possible they all came from Nyx initially, but it's also possible (and should be considered) they too may have been outsiders at one point. We need to ask ourselves how far the human collective unsconsciousness can go. Is that sea infinite? Could it affect other worlds? Think about Aion in Devil Summoner Soul Hackers 2. Yes, I am asking you to think about Soul Hackers 2. Deal with it, I don't care. They're sister series. They share many things. SO! Did the shape of the human mind change a bunch of eldritch creatures and make them interact with us even more after Nyx smacked the moon a gazillion years ago? Is there multiple worlds? Weird bullshit? Just the two? Hmm. Well... I, personally, think so. I think he was touched by humanity just like Nyarlathotep, but in the other way. The reason I bring this up is two-fold. The first is Nodens. Now, we don't know much about the actual Nodens, unfortunately, just some speculation. Which is a shame. (If anyone has more info I'd love to have it, ngl. As a pagan this shit fascinates me.) But what we do get on him in Lovecraftian lore can provide us some intriguing possibilities about Phil's everything, which the games love to keep really rather vague. (And this is putting aside that his human Persona is based off the obviously bogus Jungian Spirit Guide, but we love an old guy in a mask anyway. He probably felt that was more 'friendly' for humans, hah.) I believe that Nodens, and Phil by extension, are just as responsible for nurturing and keeping the collective unconsciousness alive and positive. We see the butterfly symbol everywhere. We see it with Lavenza, too. "This is truly an unjust game." So was the bet Phil made with Nyarly, a game he rigged. Phil made the mistake of thinking the Crawling Chaos wouldn't cheat, a mistake he is never making again, I assume, if he can help it. Shit, you could view his boss fight in P2EP as him trying to train the EP crew to beat the snot out of Nyarly, even. But off topic. If Nyarly is basically the father of all Shadows, and they and Personas are the same coin, it makes me wonder a lot of things. The two have always been portrayed as simultaneously diametrically opposed, but also not? They have identical halls in P2. They have similar powers and talents... I think after Persona 3, Phil's remnants sank into the Collective Unconsciousness, to attempt to rehabilitate humanity from what it lost, from what he himself lost. I think Igor took over the room, because he took a backseat to recover. It would go a long, long way towards explaining why only SOME characters have the tier of the Wild Card, which is similar to the 'original' Persona power. (Having multiple.) He was took weak to remain in his Spirit Guide (Philemon) form, and had to abandon it to return to the depths as Nodens... So. Let me go back to Nodens and make some notes about design.

Nodens, as seen here, sort of resembles an iron maiden. It really brings to mind the idea of maybe Tatsuya or someone's humanoid form sleeping within it, doesn't it? Fitting for an aspect of Philemon! ... You probably can see where I'm going with this, but let me pull up some screens to finish the point:

That's right! It's Azathoth, Baby! I believe that unlike mythology, he's yet another aspect of Philemon. Eldritch positivity, in too much force, could be used for accidental bad, too. (Reasons Maruki is my favorite Law Hero, haha.) Let me explain. I think Philemon always existed in... let's call it parts. Azathoth is said to be a dreaming god in whom's universe we all just happen to be alive inside, right? "Dream of butterfly" (Philemon) "Or is life a dream? Don't wanna wake up. Cuz I'm happy here." That sure is thematic to what Maki goes through in Persona 1, and what Maruki's beloved suffers, isn't it? ISN'T IT. The "true reality" he creates... would help Maruki create in the additional Semester--would be something most humans would never pass the muster to even try to control. But we have seen Phil test a few people and find them worth passing before! However, that seems like ages ago. Why has he been so quiet? I think because he was spending time conserving his energy. He believed in humanity enough to give Makoto a push when it was needed in p3 (or femc, if you play her), but otherwise trusted Igor while he restored what needed it. But in Persona 5 Royal, he hand-picked Maruki, didn't he? At first, when I played Persona 5 Royal, I really thought it was some part of Nyarly, but I no longer believe this to be the case. The coloration and symbolism in the background (the golds, the whole garden of eden themes, the way his Palace was laid out), the whole sea of soul motifs in P3Re later... mmm. I have a lot of thoughts about this, but this post is already way too long for one simple ask. So let's wrap up by going one step further and looking finally at Nodens' dialogue to the party in the Extra Scenario in Persona 2: Eternal Punishment (PSP). The following is a transcript, you can find a video here:

Nodens: This is the memory of the lost child whom you all seek. Nodens: Memory occasionally brings about much distress and suffering, but it is absolutely vital to distinguish oneself from others and manufacture one's own psyche. Nodens: Ever since it began, life's memory has accumulated unbroken, passing through individual experiences and spanning several generations. Nodens: And so it has given shape to Kadath and the Collective Unconsciousness, thereby becoming a foundation for the next generation. Nodens: Even if the roots of the world are directed by fear and anxiety, never forget that the true essence of life is brimming with joy. Nodens: You must not stop seeking the answer for why life was born in a cosmos progressing towards absurdity and chaos. Nodens: Life brims with joy, bringing about balance in a universe predestined to heat death, and that allows the world to live a long time.

So to answer your question, I think he's taken a much subtler role. I think he's influencing people by pretending to be a Persona for Maruki, because he believes it will help them grow. I don't think he was intending a forever-control vice grip, but rather to prove a point. No matter what, the primordial chaos of humanity will rise up for chaotic good, lawful good, whatever "good" is needed. Azathoth is... interesting. Adam Kadmon is also interesting. But mostly I HIGHLY suspect we may see him again in Persona 6, or at least I'm hoping so. It's my personal pet theory by then he'll be less faded and come back to us in a new form of some kind. He's never had a set one, after all. Now for funsies about the dancing game, well, he's a positive guy, he wanted to just make sure everyone had their fitness regimen checked off. Obviously. (This is a joke.) Did the devs intend this? I'm honestly not sure? Like there's a lot of nods to older Personas in 5 and now 3RE especially, but it's definitely worth chewing on. I could go on and on about things I think he's connected to, but ultimately they have the final say lol. I'm just a crackpot conspiracy theorist on tumblr who really likes Philemon. He and the Room are my favorites. :) Ask me about attendants for additional dumb, sometime, I guess lol.

[hitachiincest]

since adachis dance (including dancing w yu) during p4dan was a dream while he was in jail, imagine if during the fever time dance w dream yu, dream yu does some romantic/touchy types of dance moves w him (like some where their hands r touching n whatnot, not like slowdancing) & it ends w the yu dipping him down instead & he leans down close to adachi with his bright, youthful & affectionate sort of puppy love type of smile (maybe even beginning to lean in as if expecting a kiss...? 🫢) but adachi wasn't expecting that & flusters/is like ??! & next thing he knows, his eyes are opening & he can feel a slight flush to his face & he's super annoyed & weirded out by dreaming of the brat in such a positive & near-romantic light.. his time in the prison must be doing things to his head. isolation.