#one tree hill 8x02

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Sophia Bush as Brooke Davis in One Tree Hill 8x02 “I Can't See You, But I Know You're There” Part 2/2

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Till kingdome come.

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One Tree Hill, 8x02 / 8x19.

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8x01-8x03, Re-Watch Part 2

8x02:

Okay, at the beginning of this episode, we see a group of saviors working at the Sanctuary. One of the workers is wearing bright yellow coveralls. I don’t know what this character’s name is, but he’s played by Lee Norris, who I recognized from my high school/One Tree Hill days. He’s basically bullied by other saviors, and then TF shows up and starts shooting at them.

So, because of the yellow coveralls, I’m thinking this guy is a Beth proxy, but I’m not sure what the point is here. And actually, this happens more than once in this episode. The female savior who bullies him also seems to be a Beth proxy at one point. She has a green strap of some kind across her chest, probably from a purse or bag she’s wearing.

That caught my attention because we saw the exact same thing with Spencer at one point back in S6. With him, the reason for it is much more obvious: during that sequence, he tried to escape, failed, and lost his shoe. So it was part of the lost shoe/foot symbolism, and he could be paralleled with Beth because he was trying to escape the community on his own and failed, which is what happened with Beth at Grady. Overall, he was more of an anti-parallel to Beth than a parallel, but it still works.

Here…I’m just not sure what the point was. The dude in the yellow coveralls only shows up one other time, at the end of episode 3, and is shot by Daryl. I wanted to see if he was still wearing the yellow coveralls at that point, and he isn’t. He’s taken them off by then. So I don’t think he’s a Beth proxy anymore at that point. They’re really not trying to tell us that Daryl shot Beth or will.

And, you could see him as a parallel to Beth in an EXTREMELY broad way: he’s kind of a prisoner of the Saviors. He’s there because he has to be, not because he wants to be. He’s bullied by them in the same way Dawn bullied Beth. But this really doesn’t lead to some significant character arc or moment of enlightenment, so I’m not sure why they put this in.

Same with the woman and the green strap. She’s kind of an evil, bullying Savior. She just basically takes some shots at Aaron and Eric and Scott when they show up, and then partway through the battle, she gets bitten by a walker and dies. So, even if she’s an anti-parallel to Beth, what’s the point of this symbolism?

It did occur to me that maybe she represents Dawn, rather than Beth. If you think of the guy in yellow being Beth. Well, in the end, he is shot and left behind by Daryl. In this case, he really died, where Beth didn’t, but it may work in terms of the symbolism (or anti-symbolism). But then this woman would be in Dawn’s role as the one who was supervising/bullying him.

And in case you think maybe, in this one instance, I’m reading into the colors too much and that’s not what it means, there are also dialogue clues around these two. When they talk in the first picture above, she has a water bottle. He mentions “a dozen” (walkers, I think) and she gets mad at him and tells him to go pack up the coolers. So there’s a lot of things pointing to these two being Beth proxies.

But overall, I think this probably points to something in the future with the helicopter people that hasn’t happened yet, and so we just don’t entirely understand it. It will probably make sense when the symbolism is paid off.

This is small potatoes, but at one point, Aaron gets into one of the cars and mows down a bunch of the Saviors to help save Eric and his people. This just struck me as another instance of Aaron being a Beth proxy, especially as this sequence leads to Eric’s death, which is DEFINITELY a parallel to Beth. But he doesn’t die in this episode, so more on that later.

Here we also get Tara, Morgan, Jesus and Diane at the satellite station. 

They find Dean in the closet, who tries to kill Jesus. 

This is also where we first meet Alden. We actually have another death fake out foreshadow for Morgan here. He and several other Kingdomers are shot by saviors inside the outpost. I think the idea here is that the bullet hits Morgan’s body armor, but like Kevlar, being hit by a bullet is still akin to being hit with a sledgehammer, even if the bullet doesn’t pierce your body, so it knocks him out for a moment.

But we have this moment where everyone else has left (left him behind) and his eyes suddenly open. He stands up admist the dead and keeps going. So that’s what we think happened with Beth but it’s also what is happening right now in FTWD.

Carol and Zeke and Jerry are heading toward another Savior outpost. Not much to say about this part in this episode (more in later episodes) except that we see walkers who are affected with the hazardous chemicals for the first time here. Once again, we don’t know exactly what this points to, but we’ve seen a lot of the theme of water being poisoned lately, and the satellite falling in S10 has a biblical/wormwood connotation to it. And we know the helicopter people are purifying water. So you can see how this might foreshadow something in the future with them. 

Also, Jerry uses orange golf balls to leave a trail and point the way toward where they’re going. That kind of screams Beth’s participation in the helicopter story line, doesn’t it?

Oh, also, I had an insight into Shiva here. I don’t know if I’ve been super clear about this in the past, but I do think Shiva = Beth. Lots of reasons for that. She’s always had a Zeke vibe about her (because she’s his animal, so that’s not surprising) but remember that in terms of the couples, Zeke is very like Beth (positive, hopeful, faith-filled, etc) while Carol is more like Daryl. So naturally, Shiva would be that way too. I mentioned that Shiva showing up in 7x16 struck me as a Beth thing, because for a long time many of us have suspected that Beth will kind of show up as TF’s secret weapon during a fight and help save them. I honestly think we COULD see the fulfillment of that in 10x16, whenever it gets here.

But back to 8x02. Quick recap: Carol and Zeke’s group shoot a bunch of Saviors but one of them gets away and is out ahead of them. They’re pursuing him because they’re afraid he’ll get to the outpost before they do and warn the Saviors there that they’re coming. That would be bad. They’re going for secrete ambush and don’t want anyone to be warned.

They nearly catch up to him, but in the end, they don’t actually kill this guy. They don’t have to, because Shiva shows up and does it for them. They look ahead and see Shiva pounce on him, which means he’s dead and can’t warn the outpost anymore.

The insight I had about this—which really just reinforces that Shiva symbolically = Beth—is that this happens next to a bridge. They literally reach the bridge and you can see the sign behind them when Shiva arrives and takes care of business. So there’s the Bridge aspect, but also another example of Beth showing up to save the day in some way.

And of course we have Rick and Daryl searching for guns in this episode. This building they’re in has TONS of Beth symbols. Omega signs in the background, pink carpet, they climb an elevator shaft, and of course they find Gracie.

Now, there was TONS of conjecture that maybe Beth had been staying here before and taking care of Gracie or something. I considered the idea at the time of course, but I no longer think that’s the case. This all seems highly symbolic to me and like it foreshadows something with the helicopter group.

I’ve talked before about Rick arriving at the helicopter group and Beth already being there, right? So Gracie could represent Beth in that way. Daryl also sees the handcuffs and dog food in one of the rooms, which suggests a prisoner (Beth being a prisoner to the helicopter people) and a Sirius character.

And, I gotta say, while I haven’t really seen a lot in the past of Daryl and Rick looking for Beth in the helicopter group together, they did go into this place together looking for WEAPONS, so make of that what you will. It’s hard to say how far the metaphor extends.

Interesting to note that just before finding Gracie, Rick fights with one of the Saviors and they crash into a shelf full of matches and flares. (Symbolism brain imploding over here.) 

And of course this is the famous scene where the blue heron painting is scene behind Rick in the background JUST AS HE’S SEEING GRACIE FOR THE FIRST TIME. Yeah, I really think him finding Gracie here foreshadows him finding Beth in the helicopter group.

And finally, we have Morales. Yet another example of Rick entering this place and finding someone he hasn’t seen in years and didn’t even suspect might still be alive. But more on that in episode 3 when they actually get a chance to talk.

So here’s my biggest new take away about Morales, guys. Before, I was mostly fixated on the fact that they brought him back 7 seasons (from S1 to S8) after he disappeared. So saying it’s been too long for Beth’s return just isn’t viable. But here’s what I’m realizing now. Remember the 8 next to Beth. All the 8s around her and Rick, which I think signifies that she’ll appear 8 years after disappearing in Coda (in other words, where we are now in the narrative)? Yeah, they brought Morales back in S8 guys. 

I’ll show you more about how Morales = Beth in 8x03 rewatch stuff tomorrow.

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Doctor Who Rewatch Season 8

(spoiler alert, this is pretty much how I feel about this season)

8x01 Deep Breath - 3/5 : it's a good after regeneration episode. twelve doesn't quite feel like the doctor yet (i don't remember if he did push the droid guy or not) but i like his darker, more serious tone. the scene where he leaves clara behind and all that moment where she has to hold her breath is very well done. but this is super loooong and the bit with the dinosaur was completely unnecessary.

8x02 Into the Dalek - 2/5 : so yeah i don't give a horse sh*t about clara's life and danny's characterisation is as subtle as an elephant in a glass shop. as for the the real plot : interesting concept but sooo long, side characters are boring. twelve is still rough around the edges but he's definitely the doctor

8x03 Robots of Sherwood - 2/5 : some highlights : the doctor/robin hood comparison was quite well done and how the viewer can identify with clara, clara is not completely annoying in this episode. but this episode is soooo long, i got really bored

8x04 Listen - 1.5/5 : i could actually like danny pink : he'd kinda relatable and interesting but his characterisation has been made by a butcher and it feels so forced and unnatural. as for this episode ... clara's life feels more important than the actual plot (which could be cool if it wasn't for that fuckery that it was obviously clara all along, because of course she was there on gallifrey and of course, she played a huge part in what the doctor actually becomes)

8x05 Time Heist - 4/5 : i didn't remember that i liked this episode so much so this was a really good surprise. the side characters are actually written decently and interesting, the plot is good and twelve is baby, thank you.

8x06 The Caretaker - 0/5 : so yeah, here we are. i hate everything from this episode. this is not doctor who

8x07 Kill the Moon - 2.5/5 : the moon! going back to the moon, first woman on the moon, this is sooo close to us and so exciting, i really hope we will go back there while i'm alive, just out of curiosity and not because there's something going on. but apart from my nerdy hype, this was kinda disappointing, apart from the obvious fuckery of the moon being an egg. the side characters are invisible (what were the two guys names?), the woman was a bit more interesting, courtney is unbearable. yeah and clara, if the moon's gone there's a little bit more than the tides and the internet connexion that would change, just saying (also, how can Courtney, an english girl, be the president of the US?)

8x08 Mummy on the Orient-Express - 4/5 : another good episode : the mummy and the countdown were pretty cool, perkins, the train in space. twelve sends me huge one vibes which i like. the only thing are the other scientists are completely useless, they don't even have a line of dialogue, they just stay in the background and just do nothing, so yeah that could have been easily corrected. also we'll never know who/what gus was

8x09 Flatline - 3.5/5 : it's a fun episode, it's in Bristol. clara's still annoying me though

8x10 In the Forest of the Night - 1/5 : that's everything that I hate about this season : coal hill school, clara being such a jerk, the plot that makes no sense (fire proof trees????). Just one point for twelve being baby again and calling out clara's bs

8x11 Dark Water - 3/5 : the scene in the volcano is superb, that's great acting from jenna coleman and peter capaldi. missy and the end twist are brilliant. but i'm so not on board with the afterlife thing and the bits with danny were totally flat because his character has been butchered all season

8x12 Death in Heaven - 2.5/5 : still not on board with all the cybermen = dead people thing. that's really too disturbing for me. but i liked missy and i liked twelve realising is neither a good man nor a bad man, he's just an idiot. not so happy with him killing missy though, not even for clara. 

Overall opinion : I really don't like this season. Apart from a couple of episodes, it didn't feel that i was watching doctor who and that's really a shame. one of my problem is danny. i know one of the themes of the season was to ask the question whether twelve (and the doctor in general) is a good man, the mirror with danny and how an external character can bring clara and the viewer to see the doctor for who he really is, the soldier/officer parallel (especially after the war doctor) were interesting ideas, and the way it culminates with the master giving the doctor an army because she wants him to be more like her was kinda cool. but as i said before, danny pink has been butchered, there's no subtlety you can see the strings pulling him together and that's bad. all of the good stuff he could have brought was drown into this relationship with clara and that's my biggest problem here. this is peter capaldi's first season, and yet it revolves more about clara and her normal life, and that i just can't accept. that's not why i watch doctor who, i don't care about her school and her attempts to date and her lies. she's more the doctor than the actual doctor and that's really not fair on peter capaldi who most of the time just appears as a grumpy, rude old man. also i really don't like this tendency that the doctor kinda comes when the companion calls because they want another adventure in the tardis. where is the doctor who accidentally kidnapped his companion? where is the doctor that brought rose back a year after she left with him? where is the doctor who took years to get Tegan to Heathrow? i miss companions that began as ordinary people and who got their whole life turned upside down, i miss companions who became extraordinary with the doctor, and i guess that's why i really don't like clara.

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Sophia Bush as Brooke Davis in One Tree Hill 8x02 “I Can't See You, But I Know You're There” Part 1/2

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One Tree Hill, 8x02.