#nygmob dream

[ar1mas]

- a rant

no because ive watched this stupid show 5 years ago, and i only noticed this now?? how???

ok. some context first. this is about fox' gotham, a prequel series to batman. or at least a potential one with slight changes. one of those changes is the relationship between oswald cobblepot and edward nygma (spelled with a 'y' for mayhap legal reasons? idfk its silly). whats their relationship like in the show? well...

theyre gay af. idk what to tell you.

okay so oswalds gay as fuck. edwards... ambiguous. totally ambiguous. he had a girlfriend or 2 and a half (kristen kringle, the-woman-who-shall-not-be-named (aka kristen but... blonde? this show is weird), and lee. not comfy counting lee, but technically shes one, hence the 'and a half')! very straight, much hetero (on another side note how tf is oswald the gay one, like i know he wears make-up and shit but eddies all about theatrics and showmanship and flair and hOW IS OSWALD THE GAY ONE NEXT TO HIM?? ok anyway).

so oswald was (is. be real.) canonically in love with ed, ed was.........., and 'penguin in love' is a piece of music composed by david russo for season three in which the whole "im in love with my best friend" thing took place.

that song has been used all over season three, as far as i can tell not once in season four, and once in season five.

.....or so i thought.

because yesterday, while in another obsession phase (of which i get one a few times a year. ive only ever watched the show once, in 2019, when it ended. still dream about nygmobblepot though. i dont dream about media, like ever, but with them, its different), i saw 5x8 to satiate my never satisfied craving of nygmob scenes, obviously skipping the main story bc i dont care about that straight shit. i got to the scene where oswald kills mr. scarface and frees arthur penn from said mr. scarface, after which ed shoots him in the head because thats what one does in such a situation, thought "aw how cute", again, as one does, and then realised.

what was that background music just now? rewinds.... oh. oh haha, its 'penguin in love'. how fun.

WHAT.

WHY IS THAT IN THERE. WHY DID THEY INCLUDE IT.

correction. it wouldve made sense to have it here. they used it in 5x5 for the speech about not backstabbing each other (wedding vows for murderers fr fr), so using it again after their relationship has solidified wouldve made sense.

note how im saying 'would have'.

because it would have made sense, if they used it when ed said "i accept you for the person that you are, just as you accept me for the cold logician that i am. thats why this friendship is great." they didnt, though. they used another equally heartfelt song for that. dunno what its called, it sounds a bit like 'penguin in love' but isnt, not sure if that one has a specific meaning like 'penguin in love' does.

so when was the song used? at 36:08 – 36:17. barely ten seconds, right before eds lines, right before ed kills penn.

...right when penn was sitting in oswalds lap because theyd been fighting for the gun and os fell on the ground.

now. the most obvious answer to "why in the fucking hell" would be because ooh this dudes on his lap so sexy, but no. no. 'penguin in love' is about one specific thing: love. the pure kind. the kind that makes you giddy with butterflies in your stomach, kicking your legs, while youre on your bed, writing in your diary about this guy you have a crush on. and oswald and penn do have history, oswald was more or less fond of penn, but not in love (i mean where would he have found the room in his heart if it was already filled with EDWARD EDWARD EDWARD martin my sweet boy EDWARD EDWARD EDWA-). im also definitely not thinking that penn was so happy about being free from mr. scarfaces influence and not having to kill oswald (oh yeah, the horror. who would wanna kill oswald, the guy with the big ego, who never does anything for anyone without some kind of endgoal- well, unless your name is edward of course) that he instantly fell in love with the guy. i can deal with the homicidal kind of crazy, but that? no. thats where i draw the line.

the next most obvious answer is that it was about oswalds love for ed. more believable, since its what the song was made for, but more believable doesnt mean believable. or likely. because even if i 100% believe that hes been loving this dude for so long its not something he has to think about anymore for it to be true, im pretty sure that itd be very random to suddenly focus on that when oswald was just about to die. so no, even if its what the song is intrinsically about.

so next most obvious answer is- wait. thats it. huh? theres no obvious answer anymore? everything else is brainrot? oh. oh well. its been five years, im sure its too late to worry about it now. what the hell.

im sure you know where im going with this. or maybe not. honestly idk what the fuck im talking about-

youre smart. you know what im about to say. if it wasnt about what oswald was feeling because he was otherwise preoccupied, and it wasnt about penn because that makes no fucking sense, then who was this song used for? who else was in the room?

...oh.

YOU.

YOU FUCKING IMBECILE. YOU STUPID DENSE PIECE OF-

inhale, exhale. no. don’ get mad, you know he cant help it. you know hes totally helpless when it comes to emotions. just breathe. ok.

i hate him. i hate him so much.

if the song wasnt for oswalds sake, it was for his. because i know hes in love with oswald, but does ed? does the producers??

'penguin in love' is about oswalds love. its about his love for edward. its about their love, their relationship. its about edward just as much as it is about oswald.

a-fucking-PPARANTLY, I DIDNT KNOW THAT!! I JUST THOUGHT OH YEAH OZZY BE THE GAY ONE HAHA FUNNY, I DIDNT KNOW IT COULD BE ABOUT ED DIRECTLY!!!

(why am i like this? what is my life? i will never be normal.)

ed has always been the obsessive one. first kristen (and the woman who shall not be named is just an extention of that ofc), then oswald, then lee. and as weve seen with kristen, when hes obsessed with someone, he can become possessive. absolutely not on the scale oswald is on, but still. theres a wee bit of jelly there. oh you have a boyfriend? better get rid of him! oh you wanna run away from me bc i murdered your boyfriend? better keep you right in place and- oh shit did i kill you? ono D:

this is a huge oversimplification, but you get the point. its there. or at least it has to be there because why else do you get so angy that someone is sitting in the lap of your just friend because they were fighting and they ended up in that position totally accidentally? like thats not normal behaviour, for anyone, unless you have possessive tendencies.

i mean its not like penn was a threat in any way. "he wasnt the threat, the dummy was the-" like i understand ed told penn about the submarine which was supposed to be a secret, but come on, like they couldnt make sure penn wouldnt say anything. so why would ed shoot him? its not even like penn was a random dude where that type of thing would be very inconsequential, oswald knew him. hed worked for oswald, and like i said, oswald was more or less fond of the guy. penns just a poor little meow meow, y u kil him eddie? 🥺

unless this fondness was part of the problem. unless ed saw how happy oswald was to see him, got annoyed but let it slide, then used penn attacking os and knowing about the sub as an excuse to kill him. and why would oswald being happy to see penn be a problem to ed? it wouldnt be. it wouldnt be, unless ed thinks oswald is his.

which makes sense. i know im calling him names and calling him out, but like. oswald told him he loved him like 5 times 2 years prior, i dont blame him for believing that maybe theres something to it (especially since that was the point of 3x14, oswald really being in love with him and surprising himself with it). but i thought ed didnt feel the same way? because hes very hetero? because he had a full-on girlfriend before, twice, technically? because-

"the truth is oswald, you would sacrifice anyone to save your own neck. even me."

"like i said! you will always fail, because youll never change."

hm. i know this is a bit off topic, but i just got a war-flashback and... why did ed sound so hurt when he said that? "youll never change." "you would sacrifice anyone. even me." why does he care? they were friends, best friends, yes, but why does he sound like a heartbroken wife who just found out her husband cheated on her again? why does-

"honestly you deserve this. you are opportunistic, your loyalty is.. shaking, at best, and you will hurt anyone, anyone, to get what you want."

"and yes, i was not a good friend. to you or anyone. its why im alone. but i saw you for what you are and i valued that!"

...why would edward nygma, the man who literally said "i dont love you" to oswald, be jealous of even the idea that maybe penn could have something going on with oswald? and why would he act on it if hes usually so careful to not reveal his feelings (unless its about kristen. the original obsession, the american dream, the just be normal, show them you are normal, and people will accept you)? he wouldnt.

unless oswald just told him that he knows he messed up. that hes sorry for it.

and unless that made him think that maybe theres a chance.

"love is about sacrifice. its about putting someone elses needs and happiness before your own."

"you gave up your revenge for me?"

a chance... for what?

"life begins anew."

"shall we get to work?"

and if theres a chance, hes not about to risk losing it. not this time.

so maybe 'penguin in love' is about more than just oswalds feelings. maybe they were trying to tell us that, yes, we see you traumatised gay kid, were sorry this is all we can give you, but here you go, eds in love with him too, but don’t tell the channel. subtlely. just for barely ten seconds. and maybe it can be enough.

nope, it wont be. im gonna sit here crying about the injustice of not having them kiss on screen in the finale as was originally intended for the rest of my life. seriously though, what is this, nbc's hannibal, where im noticing something new details every single time i watch the show, causing me to spiral? no, i was already spiralling. the spiralling was the reason i rewatched the scene. the scene simply made it worse.

so yeah, im done freaking out about a mediocre show that was cancelled 5 years ago and is honestly not worth anyones time (like, its ok. it might even be better than i remember since its been so long. i doubt it. but its ok).

tl;dr: ive only now realised that a specific gay song plays in a specific episode of a show i watched 5 years ago and the only reason theyd include it in the episode is if the dude that was not canonically in love with the other dude was in fact gay, they just werent allowed to make it canon, so they added the gay song to subtlely tell us about it.

have a wonderful day, hellsite. dont do what i did and go crazy about fictional gay people. i know you will though, that’s why im here too. i hate gay people. these two make me homophobic so bad, i wanna gauge my eyes out and skin myself-

[lemontartyellow]

You know that meme that’s like “He ruined my dream journal!” “I did NOT, Mr. Electric, kill him!”, that’s like Nygmobs to me.

[krsvchh]

i just had a dream with an idea for nygmob drawing bUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

[purple-patches]

Concept I’m sure everyone has thought of

Ed visiting Gertud’s grave because it’s routine, because it’s something solid to hold on to, because there’s so many feelings and thoughts he’d wish to convey that he’d never say out loud to any living person, not yet. Most of the time he just talks about his day, riddles and facts he’s learned, his latest scheme, thinking maybe Gertrud would find them clever. And no matter what happens, even if he and Oswald are at odds, her grave is sacred grounds.

Just weak for that concept of Ed not breaking that promise between bars. Sure there are lapses, where he doesn’t visit her grave because of reasons (taking Oswald for a swim, feels wrong to visit her, on ice, in Arkham etc), but he’s like, the unofficial groundskeeper of her grave, and in extension Elijah’s.

He doesn’t intend for Oswald to find out. It’s just something he likes to do.

Oswald does know, notices that the grave is well kept, notices the bouquets with green strings left behind. He doesn’t let Ed know he knows. He takes time making sure not to have overlapping encounters.

Eventually, their paths cross. It wasn’t awkward (ok maybe it was, a little), there were no glances exchanged, no snide comments. His parents graves are sacred grounds. No talking, no fighting, no pouring of hearts out, no invitations to a meal or a talk after. Just two men visiting departed loved ones, there’s a silent sense of content.

When they do have something to say to the parents, they say it as they would any other time, as if the other wasn’t present. It was an unorthodox way for Ed to get a glimpse of Oswald’s life behind his title, and vice versa. He doesn’t stay long when things get serious though, he respects boundaries.

It’s not uncommon to have overlapping visits every 4th or 5th visit or so. It’s an unspoken truce, a safe space unsullied by their feud.

There’s an ache in his chest whenever they cross paths. It’s just another pain to get used to.

[hbdttg]

Nygmobblepot Textposting

(Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3 | Part 4 | Part 5 | Part 6)

[theblackarticfox]

My thoughts on “We’re brothers”

Ok so I have thoughts about that scene, as does every fan, and even though I wish we had actually gotten a canon confession, I am not AS mad as I was right after watching it for the first time (Yes, I’ve been watching it over and over, sue me 😆).

While the phrase “we’re brothers” certainly is awful, when I look at Robin’s acting and listen to the way he says it, it dawns on me that I know that pose: He’s used it every time he lies or competes with someone (Fish and Jim come to mind), it sounds a little sarcastic even. So he’s using the phrase to try and ease Edward into a false sense of security with those words, which Edward doesn’t really buy.

I do believe they had every intention of stabbing each other at first still -with some bitterness left- and, then, the hug happened without them planning anything to change. Dunno, I mean, they look so sure when they come into contact, but, as they hold onto each other, it dawns on them: They can’t, they physically can’t. By the time they smile they’ve realized they won’t hurt the other and would much rather be together. I think their objectives changed drastically in those seconds, going from truly wanting to stab the other in some belated revenge (or maybe trying to get rid of a weakness?) to wanting to hold tighter onto the other, like they used to. So yeah, the hug was like a key of sorts? They hadn’t embraced since season 3 when they were at their peak, then came the whole fallout (yeah, that “Together” from Ed also a giveaway that he wasn’t entirely honest either, thanks 3x19) and uneasy truce to working together in season 5 and, when they finally hug again after everything, to me it’s like a switch: It’s exactly what they needed to find what they really wanted from each other. It’s familiar, it’s safe, it’s right.

Also Oswald is honestly tearing up and looks so darn similar to “Anything for you” (yes, background music helped with that) and Ed’s smile and squished cheek when he tightens his hold are so precious I just can’t.

Finally, when Oswald says “Life starts anew” I took it as a refference to their relationship: Everything is past, now they will start it all over. As for Ed’s words, well, we all know where those came from (he’s been freed again, maybe?), he also smiles rather openly when he says them.

And I rambled but those are my thoughts, headcanon even, what do you guys think?

EDIT: Saw what Tze posted, I’ll take it 💖

[mirabilefuturum]

I dreamed of nygmobs this morning and there was a really funky pickup line, something like:

Ed: you're an iceberg and I'm your ocean

Os: does that mean you'd like something bigger than one'd expect from the look of me buried inside you? ;)

it was so terrible it woke me up lmao

[lateral-org]

I was tagged to do this tag game by @sunlitroom​

top 4 ships: nygmobblepot, ineffable husbands, klance, zutara

last song according to spotify: Jumpsuit by twenty one pilots (actually a great nygmob song if you think about it)

last movie: yeesh, probably 13th? I haven’t watched a movie in a while, more partial to tv shows

currently reading: the watchmen comic! i fuckin love it, it’s so so so good aaaaaagh. im also in the middle of the haunting of hill house, i swear im going to finish it, i just, havent yet,

food i’m craving: we had panda express for dinner and i really want another crab rangoon

favourite colour: purple 💜

lipstick or chapstick: used to be chapstick but now im morally opposed to it, so lipstick. plus lipstick is more fun

favourite food: ice cream

top 3 shows: gotham, community, avatar: the last air bender

last thing i googled: synonyms for reattach

height: 5′4

time: 8 pm

song stuck in my head:  secret for the mad, dodie

wearing: grey v-neck and tan pants, more official ‘clothes’ than ive worn in weeks

# number of blankets i sleep with: 2 as a minimum

dream trip: hitting all 48 continental states. i’ve only been to a few, really wanna see the pacific northwest and the west coast in general

favourite gif: second, actually (i literally can’t stop looking at this fucking gif i need h e l p)

i’ll tag @esperata​, @gothamvillains​, @twyly57​, and @beat-got-sica​

[baskervilleshund]

4,5 years of Gotham in my life♥

Wow my emotions these last days. I’m not much of a text poster on this site but when Gotham ended I really felt I wanted to write this!

Gotham has been a huge part of my life for so long now. 4 years and 7 months since the first episode aired, that’s some time gosh. And so much has happened during this journey! I just wanna mention some memorable things during these years. Like remember the pre-s02x09 excitement?? And other stuffs, ah here we go!

The first trailer made me SO EXCITE, I had wanted more batman villains content for years since I have always found the batman villains squad so interesting and good and unique characters, there is so much to explore here! And so the Gotham trailer came and I just OH MY GOD this is exactly what I want!! And so it started and it was amazing. My first love was Ed, it took him his first scene in ep1 to make me go totally THIS IS MY FAV! More eps went on and I required more Ed content. But then Oswald slowly grew on me kinda out of nowhere like I wasn’t expecting it. And when amazing ep7 aired it just hit down on me from the sky, like it does when I know I got a new obsession/fandom. Oswald’s amazing scenes in ep7 and I went ”Okay this is it, I’M DEEP INTO THIS NOW AND I LOVE IT!”. In exactly THIS↓ scene/moment I basically said those words out loud and realized this is my life now, ugh also one of my fav looks I miss the bangs:

Shortly after ep7 I started shipping Nygmobblepot, since we knew who these characters were and who they will end up being it made SO much sense in this show, they were like the two familiar main villains in kinda the same age and I also loved them both so I mean it was obvious for me. Man in the beginning we were so very few in the shipping Nygmob pond, in the OCEAN of Gobblepot. It was a bit of a struggle sometimes, ppl wrote hate on my Nygmob posts n stuff shrug. And I just didn’t get how not more ppl could see it? It would make more sense if this were new characters like they hadn’t even met but since we knew this is Riddler and Penguin it just was fate for them to cross paths soon enough! We needed Nygmob content! I started making tons of my own AU:s since if the show wouldn’t give us content I would do it.

BUT we had Robin & Cory with us! Reminder that Cory invented the shipname after 5 minutes and Robin & Cory’s amazing twitter activity during s1 especially I will always remember as a fav. Remember when they we’re so into roleplaying Nygmob and spoke how Ed & Os loved each other and all sorts of things. All about going to The Foxglove together and stuff. Ugh it was amazing, I miss their interactions.  

In this very smol pond is when one day my shining star @conscience-killer (aka okimi79)  approached me, with this ♥ ”Sometimes I feel we’re the only Nygmobblepot shippers in the world…well apart from Robin and Cory. We should have a secret handshake or something.”

And man did we get a secret handshake! Gosh MY DEAR OKIMI! That I up til this day since then has spoken with like everyday for 4,5 years, you are amazing ♥ And in that time of so few shippers it felt even more special, to have  someone else out there as obsessed as me. I’m so grateful we found each other at exactly that time and we’ve been through so much on this journey ♥.

When Nygmob in spring finally had their first scene it was so amazing and I have no idea how many times I have watched that scene to this day, and also with that the ship grew a bit yas!!

Let’s jump forward a bit. NYC Comic Con 2015 in fall, one of my fav Robin & Cory cons/interview times! Because the legendary ep 2x9 was soon upon us and OMG remember how excite they were in those interviews!?! And THEN, that fkn night THE episode aired. I couldn’t believe it was real, it was EVERYTHING we had dreamed of!!! SO MUCH NYGMOB CONTENT and so in character and gosh. Man their season 2 relationship is just so beautiful and I love it til this day and 2x9 is forever my favorite episode because it meant EVERYTHING for us shippers and more people also started seeing the connection between Nygmob and so more ppl started to make content and join in!

A time after another shining star came into my life, @constant-sinner (aka (riddlelvr) ♥ This amazing person and artist! And together with her and okimi I am part of the best trash family of three and I can’t believe I’ve been a mom (yet i’m the youngest but i’m fashion fur coat mom okay) to these trash sinners for like 4 years. ♥

Okay but remember all INSANE SMAYLOR CONTENT BEFORE SEASON 3!!? Man that was also one of the best times I had during these years. God they were so excite for their relationship in s3 and WEREN’T WE ALL! And omg Comic Con. I had my fkn header for 3 years soon lol, man that moment I remember seeing the signing booth stream all casual and Robin & Cory goes “Smaaylor!! Nygmobblepot!!! ;))” And I’m just wait WHUT omg. Their press tours with Sean is something I’ll miss even more than the episodes, always such a joy seeing those three together!

And when season 3 started it was just insane. To be honest how their relationship grew in s3 that’s how I expected it to grow after their meeting in s1, it made sense already back then. Ed admiring Oswald and sneaking to his club and Oswald would be a huge part of Ed’s journey to become the Riddler but ah well, I did my best with my AU:s back then!

And then s3 came and Gotham EXPLODED and I had no idea where all million ppl suddenly came from lol. It became huge. But since it still feels kinda close to this day (2,5 yrs though man), my most nostalgic feels will always be over s1-2 so I’m not gonna write so much about the season 3-5 times in this text. My closest to heart milestones is during the first years and now that I’ve seen all episodes I still think season 1 is the best overall, except the lack of Nygmob content ofc ;)

I’ve not just felt love for the show ofc, the show isn’t perfect. There has been serious flaws and bad writing and plot drops. Tbh s4 I just felt so NOPE about? 22 eps of waste…Like Ed’s plot for example like he barley had his own plot what happened? And we also have the q*eerbait Nygmob issue obviously. I have also felt the show has been a bit childish being -helloo- GOTHAM city we’re talking about? I think it would have been much better off with a MA-rating tbh to properly tell certain stories. After s4 though I’m glad in s5 Nygmob finally got some proper screen time being together and in character!! Like that’s how their relationship should have been from beginning of season 4, or season 1 if u ask me lol but ya know!

BUT I LOVE THIS SHOW, the amazing actors and characters and scenery and costumes!! Ed, Oswald, Robin & Cory will ofc always have the most special place in my heart ♥ The Nygmob journey in the show has meant so much to me to follow it from day one and I never knew how much this show would mean to me when I started back in the day.

This show. And not just the show itself but my journey and life around it!!? So much has happened. For one example I had made a bit of gifs before but Gotham really got me into gif making, and it’s been a joy sharing content and my Nygmob AU will always be among my most fun things I’ve done, it was like if they ain’t gonna give us enough content I WILL. It’s a fun way of gif making to manip scenes to create something new! And today I still enjoy making gifs, as you probably know heh. Thanks so much for all nice comments and reblogs through all these years ya’ll!! It warms my heart and I love to read reblog tags! 

I have been at con and got to meet Robin, enjoyed so many interviews and promos, chatted with wonderful people. Every Friday night I have been up in my Europe timezone at 2am to live watch the show, the workdays after has been a bit of a struggle of being tired with going to bed like 5am lol but man it’s been so nice to follow it when it airs!

Watching together with my dearest @conscience-killer and @constant-sinner . Two of the best that happened to me during these years. These two people that I’ve spoken with like everyday for 4 years! Through Gotham finding two of my dearest friends in my life. Watching the show together and screaming, crying, laughing during this journey, about not just the show but EVERYTHING in life. They also are amazing writers and artists ♥ And also helped me endless times with gif caption when my non-native brain trying to write gif captions at 3am after the episode lol. All my love to you both ♥

THANKS TO ALL AMAZING PEOPLE that impacted me over these years. The cast and nice fandom people! My dearest @conscience-killer and @constant-sinner. And I also wanna mention dear @millicentcordelia and @selene-volturo that are amazing ppl that have been here with me since the very beginning of season 1. And they have always been so down to earth even during the stormiest periods of this show’s existence ♥ I’m so glad we’ve shared this LONG journey!

And also hugs to my dear mutual fandom friends that I’ve shared hours of conversations with over the years. Some of us maybe don’t speak as much nowadays and some of us have gone separate ways with new interests but I hope you know who you all are, regardless if we spoke yesterday or 2015. You have made my fandom time a joy!

I’m actually okay with the show ending now you know. Ofc it’s a bit sad but as I said I felt s4 was kinda stomping around in the same spot and even s5 had some fillers like they didn’t have more to do to push the story forward? The last ep was a nice easter egg wrap up for this LONG journey. And I mean shows live on with fan content, and who knows maybe it will return somehow? But it feels good they told us it would end so I was prepared for this and to say ”goodbye”. But it’s not goodbye because content will continue on this site and I’ll continue re-enjoy this show!

This is 4,5 years. In 2 pages, I could prob write 20 but ah, but i felt I got to to summary the most important things for me over these years ♥. This show and stuff that came with it will always be such a big part of my life, ALL LOVE AND HUGS!

[kage-e]

I think the official Gotham twitter account just promised me my hopes and dreams for Nygmobs are valid and tonight‘s episode will be worth the wait.

Right?

At least that‘s what I‘m choosing to take from this exchange lol.

[helix-a]

OMFG

so ya´ll i am currently watching Gotham (S3E7 so pls don´t spoiler) and you know a few episodes back this Nygmob(? sorry still new) thing happend where Pinguin just like confesses his love to Ed but hes not there because of that Women you know? So me Peacfully watching this episode and just ´silently´ shiping these two together not expecting this at all getteing a freaking heartattack meanwhile squeking like a guinepig on crack rewatching this scen over and over again not belivng that this is real even having to rewatch it a few hours later because i thougt this was just a dream (Still not so sure about this) BUT NOW I AM JUST FREAKING SCARD OF WHAT IS COMMING HELP PLS so if anyone knows a few Fanfic´s that would be great (you know just to act like the thing never happend that destroyed one of my Favorit ships)

- :)

[sunaddicted]

7. Babs and Ozzie for the prompt (you're welcome to include/refer to Nygmob, Babitha or Thompkean in it) pretty please ♡

If there was something Barbara had never expected her partner to do, it was to engage into karaoke in front of the refined crowd that frequented the Iceberg Lounge - and Barbara wasn't so inclined to explain off the anomalous behaviour with a simple "she must be drunk" because if there was something Lee had in common with the owner of the club, it was that she basically was a high-functioning alcoholic and the whiskeys on the rocks she had had during the evening certainly weren't enough to inebriate her to the point of killing her inhibitions. No, at the worst, Lee was feeling a little buzzy and held onto Nygma's arm for support - not that he was much steadier than her, even if he had just drunk one grasshopper - just because that night she had decided to wear very high stiletto heels: stuff that could have easily doubled as a dagger to the heart, if Lee had been inclined to ruin her shoes in such a way. So, there must have been another explanation that was eluding her at the moment but Barbara decided to blame it on the drinks that kept magically appearing by her elbow, summoned out of the blue by the snapping of Oswald's fingers; had it been anyone else, Barbara would have had the suspicion that she was purposefully being pleaded with drinks so that she would lose her focus - but the truth was that Oswald was still perfectly functional after his tenth drink and he seemingly had forgotten that nobody drank as much as he did. It probably was a nicety in his head, he was behaving like a gracious host who didn't worry about just how much potential money - and it was a lot, considering how overpriced the drinks were at the Lounge - he was wasting on his guests. Barbara's head was thrumming, though, and she pushed away the fresh glass of vodka that was exuding perspiration onto the table, its surface steadily getting stickier and stickier - a real bitch to clean for the club's staff but she had no doubts that they would be generously paid for their efforts: the Penguin wasn't a stingy employer and thanks to his unique position in Gotham as a bridge between the Underworld and the rest of the city's population, he could even afford to give his employees coverage for their medical expenses. Really, Oswald Cobblepot was the Bruce Wayne of the Rogues. "Like a Prayer" by Madonna faded out but Nygma and Lee didn't seem to have any intentions of climbing down the stage - no, they seemed pretty bent on at least singing the next song and Barbara let out an half-agonising groan when "Hey Jude" by the Beatles started. "At least they have lovely voices" Oswald commented, drawing out of his pocket a couple of hard-boiled candies "It would be so much worse if they couldn't even hold a tune"Barbara supposed it was true "Hand one over" she wiggled her fingers for one of the sweets that Oswald, Edward and Lee had been sucking on the whole evening "I didn't know you have such a sweet tooth""I don't"Barbara frowned "Sorry to break it to you, but eating candy for hours non-stop is considered having a sweet tooth""Edward and Lee have had more than I did" Oswald pointed out, giving Barbara the candy. "Maybe they're on a sugar high" she observed, risking a glance towards their partners: Lee had one arm wrapped around Nygma's waist to hold herself up while the other man swayed on his place, lips clearly fighting to get the words out without slurring them "They're so embarrassing" she said, popping the hardened ball of sugar in her mouth, curious to see what the fuss was about: despite its deep green colour, the candy tasted citrusy and sweet - almost tropical "Oh, they're good""Edward makes them" Oswald answered with a clearly proud smile. "That explains the colour" "What's in them?""Marijuana"Barbara blinked, stunned by the answer "Sorry, you put what in the candies?"Oswald turned his head to face her "Marijuana" he smoothed out one of the wrappers Edward had designed for his creations "Tangerine Dream""What?""It's the name of the strain"Barbara blinked again, her eyes flitting from Oswald to the singing duo on the stage "Are they like... literally high?""I suspect so" Oswald hummed in confirmation "The candies aren't that strong but they did eat a lot of them""What's the point in making marijuana candies if they're not strong?" "Edward doesn't make them for me to get high: he chose this particular strain because it's one of the best to treat chronic pain" and Oswald wasn't going to get addicted to some kind of pain med that would turn him into a drowsy walking zombie: he had stuff to do, an empire to run "And it helps with insomnia and increasing appetite, both effects which benefit Ed when he's in one of his funks""I wasn't expecting such a serious answer""I know" Oswald winked at her as he stood up, right as the song finished: it was time for Edward and Lee to get some shut-eye "Let's get them upstairs, so that my patrons can enjoy the rest of their evening"Barbara followed, fingers closing around Oswald's wrist to momentarily stop him "I'm happy you found a way to get some relief for your pain" she said earnestly; in the past years, as they grew older and the Bat didn't give a sign of becoming any kinder, she had seen just how steadily worse the pain had gotten for Oswald. Excruciating - or so Lee had told her after she had given Oswald one of his usual check-ups, the corners of her mouth downturned in sympathy. "Thank you" Barbara released his wrist "Do you have a fold-out couch or is it going to be the floor?" Oswald chuckled "That depends on whether they manage to wait long enough for us to open it or if they'll fall asleep on the carpet""It's a nice carpet, at least"

[knightinpinkunderwear]

Describe Edward Nygma

for Nygmob week, day two: sharing a bed (it counts ok)

Ao3

If you had asked Oswald Cobblepot to describe his dear friend, Edward Nygma, of whom he'd recently made up with, he would've said brilliant or petty or ruthless. But the man could be quite the opposite he could be oblivious, forgiving, and civil. Oswad of course knew that, from living with the man for a months as mayor and chief of staff and during his recovery from and revenge on Galavan Oswald had learned quite a bit about his dear friend. Such as his extreme aversion to onions and shallots his inability to go to bed at a reasonable hour, and that his favourite episode of Bill Nye the Science guy was the science of Music and that the episode on forensics had helped him decide on a career as a forensic scientist for the GCPD. It seemed however after the freeze and arkham and the bringing back of the riddler, there was still a lot about Edward Nygma that he didn’t know. That was not to say that he didn’t understand the man, he did, he knew what Ed wanted, what he needed, how he ticked. But someone can know how something works without knowing the reasons behind it. That was simply it, Oswald knew Ed, knew how he worked and thought, but he didn’t know how he got to the process and mannerisms that he used. What Oswald knew of Ed’s past was very little, only conclusions based upon Edward’s behaviour in the present. Like his constant need for attention and approval probably spawned from being overlooked or shunned often. His affinity for shiny things, and glitter, also probably came from his desire to be seen and admired. Seeing Edward, Ed not riddler but not quite whole, interact with Martin was interesting. Before Martin neither of them had much liked children, finding them irksome at least and near detestable at worst. Edward was cautious, a bit overly so, Oswald couldn’t quite figure who Edward thought was a danger to the other, himself or the boy. It was entertaining in its absurdity. But given Ed’s personality troubles and how every time he had been “in charge” rather than Riddler he demanded to know if Dr. Leslie Thompkins was safe and if he had done anything horrible while being the other, Oswald supposed his caution was well founded. Or at the very least he was trying not to get attached to anymore people he could possibly doom. Oswald still found it a bit silly that Ed seemed to think himself as cursed, but with the number of times he’d found the man in trouble of an interesting sort he couldn’t exactly argue against that belief very well. Nor the fact that quite a few terrible things have happened to the people he loved. Oswald didn’t like believing it because it would also mean that he himself was cursed, why else would he have lost two dear, loving parents in his own arms? Why else would he still dream of their last breaths? Of seeing Martin take his? Or Edward? Before he’d wanted to push the man away for his safety, because Oswald always seemed to find a way to hurt those he loved. But he couldn’t anymore, he’d missed Ed too dearly, missed his stupid riddles (not too much), his work ethic, his intelligent schemes, the soft, warm glow in his eyes when he smiled, the way he always seemed to smile too widely, the half-conscious grumbles for when Oswald finally convinces him to get to bed. And now the enthusiasm in which he makes up bedtime stories for Martin, the sweet nicknames and new trust, the frantic waving of his hand when he can’t remember a specific word and it’s on the tip of my tongue Ozzie I swear! 

It wasn’t too long and Ed was whole again, the riddler and himself being one and not separate entities of differing intents. Now, Oswald would describe Ed as simply a brilliant man and the love of my life. For he would work endlessly to make the perfect cup of tea or coffee to share over breakfast, or the perfect way to teach Martin about the chemical properties of potassium dichromate (IV) and why it is so toxic when ingested. Ed would also be described, only in private, as the most notorious cuddle-monster in history. As soon as they had worn away each others walls and reached out to trust he was constantly in contact with one Edward Nygma. Whether hand holding, or leaning onto a shoulder, or the hugs that Ed couldn’t help but try to wrap himself as tightly into Oswald as he could as if to sear an imprint onto his skin and brand Oswald as his with only the force of his heart and his spindly limbs. Most nights, one would think Edward was a blanket, always draped over Oswald in some way. They both had nightmares. Oswald never would have thought that waking up under the un-crushing weight of his dear friend and lover would ease all fears and night terrors away. But it did. So they shared a bed most nights. Besides, Oswald found nothing nicer than waking up to the slumbering and not quite snoring face of Edward Nygma. In those moments he’d only be able to describe the man before him by the warm and plush feeling, the way his heart soared softly in his chest; love.

[purple-patches]

That one dream about Oswald being Pretty but Ed is Ed and Riddler is Riddler.

So I once had a dream that Edward was talking to the mirror?? And Riddler is helping him practice.

Lmao expect cringe my friends, my dreams are wack.

Hands on both sides of the sink. Breath in, out,

“You look.. pretty today, Oswald”

“You certainly don’t.”

Ed grumbling at the reflection. “I’m certainly making an effort..”

“Try not to look like you just ate a lemon while you’re at it, Eddie.”

Glaring at him through the mirror. Breath in, out.

“You uh.. you look—”

“No, idiot, like this.

Is it just me or, don’t. you just. look. delicious today, Oswald? More so than usual?”

Ed squints. “Delicious??”

Backtracks. “—Precious.”

“Precious?”

“Well, Isn’t he just?”

Well.

“Delicious isn’t too far off though..”

Ed shakes his head because Riddler no shut up.

“You look like you’re about to spontaneously combust, Ed. Man up a little, why don’t you? He deserves a real man, doesn’t he?”

Breath in, out.

“You look pretty today, Oswald.”

“Much better. Confidence, keys and all that. Although I’m not partial to the word choice. Pretty? What are we, 3rd grade?”

“It was your idea! What, you don’t think he’s pretty?”

“Oh, he’s that, and more.”

“So what is your suggestion?”

Riddler looking like he’s bursting to say something.

“Well? Out with it!”

“Don’t you want to ruffle his feathers a little? Make him light up like a Christmas tree?

...Make him look at us like he used to?”

Of course he wants that..

“Then act like it.”

Fine.

(Forgot what happened in the middle lmao I think Cat tells him to compliment his wardrobe and to talk about fashion and torture or something interesting)

“You.. you’re..” ahem “Oswald, your clothes, they’re..”

“You look really... pretty...” Oswald’s eyes widened. Ed panics “I— you look pretty stupid right now, Oswald.” Crud.

“Excuse me?” Yanks his arm away.

“I mean, I meant to say— you’re, you look very...” hand gestures and facial expressions that vaguely look offending by accident. But are actually him just internally cringing at himself.

“What are you doing? You’re blowing it!”

“Your fashion sense is... torture-COUTURE... it’s... interesting.”

“Interesting, really?”

Whispers, “Shut up, I’m trying to—“ “I’m taking over.” Clutches his head.

“Riddler? Ed, What is—“

“No it’s nothing. I’m just trying to say, the way you look today it’s..”

“Outstanding, ravenous, gorgeous! Anything!”

“It’s outrageous.”

“Ok get out.”

“Wait, I—“

“Out, Ed. As you can see, I’m really busy at the moment. I don’t really need you criticizing my interesting wardrobe right now. If you’re considering dropping by soon, make sure to set an appointment next time, alright? Have a nice day, you two.”

He got gently pushed out of the office. Silence.

Slow clapping “Nice going. You’re a natural.”

Oswald’s not mad he’s just busy atm and could use a little peace for just a minute. Fond of his allies, just exasperated.

Anyway Riddler gets a spin but he also messes up for being too pushy. So now they try calming down and working together and be more confident but less imposing.

Selina is the bg character’s that’s like “good for them.”

And Oswald is just trying to work but Ed and Riddler are like cats leaving dead mice on their owner’s doorstep. Helpful to his agenda rn but he is suspicious of what they’re after. (Your heart!! >:{ OPEN YOUR EYES PENGY)

Can’t remember the rest of the dream but this seems like something out of a fanfiction.

Sorry I just really love pining green beans. And Ed and Riddler working together. And Oswald looking fabulous like he deserves. And Selina just giving random advice that sounds great but then they mess it up anyway. In the end she’ll just nod in approval “FINALLY you guys.”

[roguepythia]

Post SDCC 2017 Report

Hi All, I’m still in a post SDCC coma but I wanted to get this report out before I forgot everything.

Saturday and Sunday were just a comedy of errors coupled with some really wonderful lucky chances. I haven’t been this excited for a panel in forever. So I had to decide if I wanted to sit close to the stage for the Gotham panel or close to the mic to ask a question about Nygmobblepot. I arrived like 6 hrs early for the 1st panel of the day just to score a good seat. I got one and saved one for me sis, but then it was one bad decision after another and rotten luck after that. Ultimately, with an epic ending to the weekend.

@m4dh4ttey Everyone LOVED your shirt! I even had one person take a pic. Sadly, none of these people knew who it was a picture of. The only time I saw another Nygmob was an Edward cosplayer IN THE LADIES ROOM! I totally spazzed and in the quiet ladies room line just blurted out “EDWARD NYGMA!” like a total loon. The cosplayer was nice enough to wave and smile at me. But considering we were just in a panel where the stars talked about embarrassing fan interactions in the restroom I was a little like *face palm*. I’m such a dork. I never found the cosplayer again. If you are on here and reading this, it was fabulous! I wish I‘d gotten a pic.

Onto the Gotham Panel. For whatever dumb reason on this day I decided the quality of my phone recordings just wasn’t good enough. So I borrowed my sister’s. But I can’t seem to remember how her video works. So when I think it’s recording it’s actually not and when I decide to stop recording that’s when it actually starts. So I thought I was recording the Gotham cast entering the hall and yet. Not so much. Add to that, this happened more than once. I was so mad at myself.

I debated asking a question, in fact I’d been thinking of how to word one all weekend on the off chance I’d get up the nerve. But we were sitting up the aisle from the mic. Only a few feet but it was enough. When you guys watch the panel you’ll hear them yell to “DON’T RUN”. Yeah, that’s at me! I was in row 2 and sprinted back to the mic. AND IT STILL WASN’T ENOUGH! I was two people back when they stopped questions. The girl in front of me was cosplayed as Kristen. Her question would have been about Chelsea. Maybe if she was coming back or to stop killing her or something close to that. I told her it was a good question but neither of us got to the mic.

The really sad thing is I had GREAT SEATS! But instead I ended up on my knees watching the panel through people’s backs. So I didn’t even get any good video. I was so bummed! If I don’t really have a burning question again, I’m going to stick to my good seat and the phone I know how to use. UG!

So after that we decided to head to TV Guide’s Fan Favorites panel. They never list who will be there so when Ben McKenzie walks out, I bout die! I finally have my chance to talk to one of the cast. Again, I make a total loon out of myself.

I leapfrog over to a good position to the mic this time. This isn’t as popular of a panel so there were plenty of seats to move to. However, that meant I was also FIRST to the mic. I was not prepared! And I couldn’t ask Ben a Nygmobblepot question so had to come up with something on the spot! Rickie Whittle had just been talking about how awesome fandom culture is and was really passionate about loving fanart and fanvids especially. It really touched me.  So I wanted to tie back to that.

I was so nervous I dropped my phone….my sister’s phone. I was a mess. Luckily Ben saved me. I asked some rambling question about how so many people seem to want to “be respectful” of fans from previous canon versions but fans coming from the tv show are just shat upon with impunity. Which I actually take great offense to! It wasn’t really a question. More I just wanted to know his thoughts. Ben was just a dream and really pulled my butt out of the fire. I also told him he was “My Jim Gordon” which got an “Awww” from the audience. Boy was I wiping my brow. I have video of this exchange but I was shaking so much I keep waiting to see if someone uploads the actual panel. If I don’t see anything in the next day or so, I’ll post it here cause Ben’s answer was amazing. I was pretty much walking on cloud 9 for like 4 hrs after that. Even though the Gotham panel went so sideways.

Overall it was an amazing time! I sat next to interesting people from all over the world and professionals in the business. I spent way too long at the Nygmobblepot chair. With as many videos and pics of that thing I have, you’d think it was a celebrity itself. If I could go back in time and tell myself to stay in my seat for the Gotham panel, I would! But it’s Comic Con. You are going to make poor choices and bad decisions. And have an awesome time doing it.

But then Sunday blew everything out of the water. We usually don’t go to Hall H cause it’s just such a clusterfuck. But my sister is a huge fan of Lost Ship, which was after the SPN panel. I haven’t watched SPN all year. I’m a wee bit behind. But I think Jensen and Jared and the fandom is a really awesome community. Those guys know how to treat their fans. And boy did they ever!

Some people had been waiting all night but we learned long ago sleep for us was more important. Plus, Sunday’s Hall H you can usually just walk in with minimum of waiting. We were prepared to miss the SPN panel but, just in case, we decide to get there around 9:45am. Luckily, about 10:15 we get in. Easy peasy. And I am so glad we did.

We sit in the back middle section and get a great view of all the screens. Which was perfect! SPN blew their fans away with a surprise concert performance by Kansas. LIKE A LEGIT, FULL ON, WITH LIGHTS AND SMOKE AND FREAKING WRAP-AROUND-THE-ROOM SCREENS, CONCERT! The only thing they didn’t have was pyro! I have seen some crazy stuff at Comic Con but that was EPIC!

[kathemy]

[Nygmob/Batcat] One flame a day keeps the doctor away!

I rarely get flamed on tumblr. I’m unclear why this is so. Maybe my blog is inoffensive. Maybe nobody reads it. Maybe most people just know better.

Today one or more people who clearly did not know better wrote to me. I realize that writing a long, detailed and reasoned answer to four supremely idiotic private messages may come across as pretentious, but I don’t really care. Frankly, they were a godsend, because that allows me to discuss the degeneration of the fandom by example.

Suffice to say the people who wrote to me are those hard at work perverting the fandom down the Road to Hell - a small piece I wrote nearly two years ago to tell people why the Gotham fandom was basically... you know, healthy. That, and how I’d like it to stay that way. Actually, it’s still pretty healthy - the gay bashers, the identitarians and the anal comic book fanatics taken as a whole only make up a fraction of the fanbase.

What is funny, however, is how some of these insults actually make a good topic for discussion. That’s what prompts this post; it’s not a mere counterflame. 

So, let’s get down to it.

Like just say you don't like Black People and go [...]  gross and transparent, feel free to choke you rancid bitch [...]  why don't you tell people the real reason you don't like tabitha you vapid idiot.

Now, this is... how to put it... “how to be an identitarian asshole”? 

In fact: this type of “gag order” even forbids you to address harmful stereotypes of these people on television! This would require me to defend Andrei Chikatilo for being a poor Soviet worker because I’m a Communist, or you to defend Margaret Thatcher for being a woman because you’re a Feminist.

Unfortunately, in this rotten postmodern world with fake leftists pissing all over the concept of working class solidarity, this is what people do. If you don’t like Barack Obama bombing the shit out of third world peasants you’re a racist. If you don’t like Hillary Clinton effectively destroying Libya you hate women. It doesn’t matter that both are Imperialist scum.

Please note that my examples were carefully chosen. I could’ve brought up Valerie Solanas - though, let’s face it, the vermin I’m responding to probably likes Valerie Solanas - but it’s far easier to find a Black or a woman than a man from a proletarian background in the position as a world leader... which should tell you were the chief contradiction in society really lies. But, that’s a different story.

Let’s move on...

You ugly fucking roach. You have so much to say about tabitha, but Nothing to say about all the other villains. Not to mention you called her a "thug" [...]  how are you going to talk shit about tabitha when you stan and ship 2 murders. [...]  both penguin and riddler are fucking evil but you coddle them. [...] riddler is worse than her, he kills for chaos at least when someone dies at her hand it's for a reason! 

Wow, that sounds terrible, doesn’t it? Evil Kathemy discriminating against the poor Black woman...

Too bad it isn’t true.

The thing is this: I did not even attempt to bash Tabitha in my first post. I tried to give a fair assessment of her character, as I do with all the characters on the show. I also made this assessment not merely for the sake of putting down the character; I made it to point out why Tabitha and Selina might not be a good team-up. Tabitha is not a good role model for Selina. She’s a negative one, and will probably come off as a warning example in their interaction, which should be of some concern among those who are bothered by “negative representation of people of color on television.” Selina went to Tabitha in search of a purpose beyond survival. What purpose will Tabitha give her?

This is why I live a much happier life than most Nygmobblepot shippers. 

Did you ever see me throw a tantrum at Ed for shooting Oswald? Yes, I enjoy their interactions - how could I not, Cory and Robin are fantastic - but I never lose sight of the bottom line that they are both violent, mentally unstable killers!!! Thus - I’m not surprised by their terrible behavior towards each other and people in general. I’m not saddened by it. I don’t dream up fake head canons of a happy-ever-after domesticated existence for either of them. And, I certainly never make excuses for them, as you do claiming Tabitha “kills for a reason” stabbing an old woman in the back leaving her to bleed out in the arms of her son!!! 

I review Gotham for Doux Reviews. Let’s take a look at a snippet from one of those...

The man shooting Oswald at the end is a deeply conflicted Edward Nygma, but this is still Edward Nygma. The notion that he could simply forgive such a betrayal, that he wouldn't consummate his revenge, is completely alien to his character [...] Last episode, in a signature don't-try-this-at-home move, we saw Selina "breaking up" with Bruce by physically assaulting him.  [...] 

And, Bruce and Selina aren't anywhere near as maladjusted as Oswald and Edward. As intricate as the Riddler's schemes may be, he always chooses the nuclear option in dealing with all his personal problems. Dougherty abused Kristen? Kill him. Kristen threatened to rat him out to the police? Kill her. Jim might be onto him? Kill another colleague and pin it on him to put him in prison for murder. Oswald? He kills people for a sandwich.

<Doux Reviews> <Gotham> <The Gentle Art Of Making Enemies>

Wow, I sure do coddle them, don’t I?! 

I called Tabitha “an impulsive thug” because she is an impulsive thug - a violent, reckless criminal prone to making rash decisions. She’s certainly not portrayed as a methodical or calculating person. She doesn’t scheme. In fact in this respect she’s close to Selina, and that’s exactly why Selina has little to learn from her - she’s the same, only worse, only more amoral. 

It’s actually true I don’t like many Black characters on Gotham - because there aren’t many Black characters on Gotham. Fish Mooney was a character that outlived her usefulness by season one and wasn’t played by a very good actress. Crispus was a non-character. Essen didn’t get much to do either. Tabitha is a bit erratically written, but she’s actually among the better of them, and I’ve enjoyed her interactions both with Butch, Theo and to a lesser extent Barbara. The only really good one is Lucius Fox, who’s more or less an antithesis of the Black stereotype.

That’s not on me. That’s on the show.

Finally:

your faves are trash and your opinion on tabitha is gutter trash, much like Selina herself. kys 

Now, if I were to play your game, I’d conclude you’re a racist for calling a Latino actress “gutter trash” - but I’m not like you. I just realize you have very poor taste.