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demon-of-the-ancient-world · 6 months ago
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One reason I think the book-film change for Chani's character works so well is actually because she doesn't have much to do in the books.
As someone who affects the overall plot, there isn't much to her -- the only piece she really affects is Paul, and subsequently their relationship. So having her go from someone who's real only purpose is one half of an interpersonal relationship to someone who has a bit more agency works, and makes things all the more tragic, because she is really unable to affect the plot.
I have no idea how it'll be handled in Messiah (though I've got ideas aplenty), but at least in part 2...Chani being against the prophecy and Paul's rise really didn't change the overall story, only her relationship with Paul and therefore the lens through which the story was told.
Denis taking a character who in the books ultimately doesn't do anything with major repercussions in regards to the wider story of Dune (at least until Messiah, and then the only action of hers which majorly affects things is having Leto II) and giving that character an opposing viewpoint to her book counterpart makes things more tragic because the rest of the story essentially goes on in the same way in spite of her views. The story and outcome is the same, one character just feels a whole lot different about it -- and can do nothing to stop it from happening. Flipping Chani's beliefs around doesn't drastically alter the events of the story (so far at least), it just makes them harder to watch because you've now got someone stuck inside screaming that it's wrong, and can't do anything about it.
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fuckyeahisawthat · 1 year ago
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Controversial opinion among Dune book fans maybe, but I loved the changes they made to Chani's character. Making her a fedaykin who is already an experienced fighter before Paul arrives was a brilliant choice. Dune Part Two is a war movie, and this puts her at the center of the action, side by side with Paul, and gives her a much more active role than she has in the book.
We got a hint of where things were going in the beginning of Dune Part One. The first thing we ever know about movie Chani is that she's a fighter. She serves as a voice for the Fremen, telling us the story of their struggle from her point of view. I wrote here about the difference this change makes compared to other adaptations of Dune, what a perspective shift it is to have the world of Arrakis introduced not by an outsider, describing it as a dangerous but valuable colonial prize, but by one of its native inhabitants, who tells us before all else that it's beautiful, her home that she's fighting to liberate. I am so, so glad that the second movie followed up on this characterization.
I never found Chani and Paul's love story in the book particularly convincing, because why would this woman, who already has a prominent and respected place in Fremen society, even give the time of day to her deposed would-be colonizer, let alone fall in love and have children with him? Without a compelling reason for Chani to love Paul, she ends up feeling like a prize to be won, and "indigenous culture personified as a woman to be wooed (or conquered) by the colonizing man" is a trope we've seen and don't need to repeat.
But as soon as you tell me it's a barricade romance I get it. Cool cool cool, I know exactly what this relationship is now and it makes sense. Movie Chani doesn't respect or even particularly like Paul when she first meets him, and she doesn't think he's the fulfillment of any prophecy. She comes to respect him, and eventually love him, through his actions. He's brave--sometimes recklessly so. He fights well. He's willing to stick his neck out on the front lines with the other Fremen fighters. He can (after a little help) hack surviving in the harsh desert environment. He's not too proud to learn from others. He seems to genuinely want to be her equal in a common political struggle. All these qualities make sense as things she values.
Fighting side by side as equals is just about the only way I can see movie Chani falling for Paul. And it fits perfectly with the film's pattern of reversals that Paul's capacity for violence would initially be one of the things Chani likes about him, only for her to be repelled later when she sees what he becomes.
And as for Paul, well, he's had people deferring to him his entire life. Someone who doesn't take any shit from him is probably refreshing. He seems to like people (Duncan, Gurney) who challenge him and engage in a little friendly teasing--and aren't afraid to go a few rounds in the sparring ring.
It's easy to speedrun a romance when you're spending all your time together in mortal danger fighting for a shared political cause. Especially if you then start winning in a war your people have been fighting for decades. Are you kidding me? That is the perfect environment for intense battle camaraderie to turn into romantic love, and lust.
It makes sense that this version of Chani never believes Paul is any kind of messiah. Of course a character like movie Chani wouldn't believe in or trust some outside savior to liberate them. She's been working to liberate her own people for years. The more Paul invokes the messianic myth, the more he starts sounding once again like someone who plans to rule over them, and the more uncomfortable Chani becomes. In this way she becomes a foil to Jessica, the two of them representing the choices Paul is pulled between. It's a great way of externalizing the political and philosophical debates that often happen within characters' heads in the book.
And of course this version of Chani would leave Paul at the end of the film. It's not just the personal, emotional betrayal--although that stings. What common cause does she have with someone who just declared himself emperor and is sending her own people off in a war of conquest against others? Given the important role she plays in Dune Messiah, I am super curious to see how they get her back into the story, but girl was so valid for being willing to just gtfo. Given that she has the last shot of the whole movie, I'm sure she'll be back somehow, and I can't wait to see what they do with her character in any future installments.
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nitewrighter · 20 days ago
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Snow White and the Fae Co-Op
Part Two: Farcical Aquatic Ceremony
Part One
Oh jeez, you followed me out here? You're really hung up on Snow, huh? I mean that's not that surprising. Kind of part of the whole Princess-Messiah effect. Look, there's not much I can tell you about what happened immediately after. Me and my guys mind our business, when we can. But Snow did tell me about it, so if you don't mind the secondhand... did you see what I did there? Because I'm smoking? No, I'm not putting it out. You followed me out here.
Okay, so, to continue:
Snow was raised by the Evil Queen. Except not really because Evil Queen had better shit to do, probably. So Snow was raised by some well-meaning but not-super-affectionate nursemaids. Then there was a short period where she was being tutored alongside the Evil Queen's will-be-cupbearer-in-like-2-or-3 years. The pretty prince boy that Evil Queen took from Damp Kingdom. They tolerated each other.
You ever notice how kids will kind of... just awkwardly stand around each other when you put kids with like, 3 or 4 year age differences together? Like they could both be perfectly smart, normally-developed kids, but they're still weird around each other because they're at different developmental stages? Except now pepper in the fact that they're both incredibly fucked up by the fact that they're both basically political hostages. Their very existence is conditional. And Snow didn't even know how fucked she was, but growing up watching this other kid, she became very aware from a very young age, that she was in a fucked-up situation. So this other kid kind of traumatized her just by existing, but also he's the only other person who knows what she's going through. So there was this very weird 'shared resonance' between them but neither of them could really articulate it so you're basically stuck with two scared shitless kids standing next to each other and neither of them wants to talk about what they're going through because both are at very different stages for processing and articulating what they're going through.
To be honest, I don't really 'get it' but that's how Snow explained it to me. I'm still trying to figure out what she saw in the guy. He's a chickenshit. If he really cared about her, he would have come with her out here, but he didn't, and now everything's rotten and on fire. So here we are, and fuck him.
Okay getting sidetracked. You don't care about him, you care about Snow. Obviously. So, Snow grows up, and it's kind of clear, from early on, that Snow is human, but she's like... a human isotope, does that make sense? Like, yes, she is this element, but there is something more than and less than human in her, and that's kind of par for the course for someone who has been Chosen By The Deep End Fae For Nebulous, Miraculous, World-Changing Shit.
The more Snow grows up, the more Snow becomes a person, the more the Evil Queen becomes aware that there's a lot more than 'person' going on with this kid. The more she registers Snow as a threat.
And to be fair, she was right to.
Over the years the Evil Queen did try to form Snow in her own image--it couldn't be that hard, right? I mean the Fae literally jammed her heart into this fucking baby. Except... no. That's not what’s happening here. And the Fae are very very good at extremely personal 'Fuck you's,' so I need to give you an idea of what the Evil Queen is seeing in Snow.
It's very easy to hate someone you see your own weaknesses in, you see your own worst qualities reflected in someone else, except what if there was someone who was basically made in a lab to be everything you wish you were, slash everything you knew you could never be, and everyone fucking loved her for it.
The kindness you carved out of yourself years ago to survive, she has it and it makes people fawn over her and say, 'Oh the poor captive princess who's so very pretty.'
The tears that you desiccated out of yourself years ago bubble out of her like a goddamn Studio Ghibli character, and instead of the world mashing her into the dirt at that first sight of weakness like it's supposed to, it curls around her and goes, "Oh poor, poor, beautiful Princess."
The childish songs and dances and laughs and smiles that this world burned out of you are right there in her, and everyone laughs and sings and dances with her.
Everything you hated and cut out of yourself to survive lives and thrives in her, and the world cheers for it. The birds sing for it. The flowers bloom for it. The trees lower branches laden with fruit for it.
Hoof, I just made myself shudder.
But... yeah. The Evil Queen was already this Rube Goldberg machine of coping mechanisms to begin with, but seeing all that shit with Snow... I can't really fault her that it broke something in her.
And the Evil Queen still has the mirror with sight beyond sight, too, except just as ol' Mosscloak warned her, that gift is rotting in her hands.
Okay so, algorithms right? Algorithms need information input to shape themselves, BUT! It's very easy for them to get racist, right? They shape themselves to human biases. And also if it's getting a certain dataset for a certain amount of time, it will eventually train itself to do fucked up shit, because an algorithm doesn't actually reflect intelligence and reasoning and higher aspirations, it reflects human defaults, human assumptions, and human "Whatever I have to do to save effort" bullshit.
That's basically what happened with the Magic Mirror. Incredible cosmic power, incredible Fae vision and wisdom, but it was shaped more and more by human pettiness.
'oough why are you talking about tidepools and carcinization and isotopes and algorithms you're supposed to be magical and mysterious and shit.' Fuck off. I like reading. Snow taught me how to read. There hasn't been a lot to do but read.
Anyway, the information demands from the Queen basically amount to, "Tell me how Snow is my enemy" and from the Magic Mirror you basically get the Google AI results of:
Snow is totally your enemy! These are the Top 5 reasons why:
She's pretty
People like her
She's going to take everything you've ever built from you.
Cut her heart out. Kill her.
Kill her, you pussy.
Except the Queen is smart enough to know that's bullshit too, she knows that's a trap. She knows killing Snow will probably kill her too, because Snow is literally the vessel of her heart, so she hustles down to her Jury-Rigged Fuck-Fae-Deals Alchemy Witch Lab and she gets to work.
And then you smash cut to Snow, and she's a teenager now, and she's just sitting by a well like "Gee, Well, I'm just feeling real low what with this whole 'being a political prisoner for my entire childhood' thing." And this next part is boring so I'm going to skip over it--
Jeez, look, Snow always told this part better than me so it's better if--
Really? Tch--You're insatiable.
So, okay, I know the story says the evil queen dressed the Princess in rags and hid her away, but that's really more of human distortion and, unfortunately, general masses not really understanding that there's actually a very clear hierarchy in noble households.
The Evil Queen kept Snow as a Lady in Waiting, though, effectively, she was meant to be in more or less the same position as Prince Damp Kingdom as a cup-bearer and harp player: Human hood ornaments. Symbols of the Queen's conquest and power and how everything is hunky dory with her in charge.
But have you ever put together a cute outfit, and then you put a hat on the outfit, and then the hat distracts from the whole outfit and you're like, "This outfit would be complete if I was a Hat Person but I am not a Hat Person."
Snow is the Hat, but also the Evil Queen refuses to admit that she is not a Hat Person.
So I mean, all things considered Snow was pretty clean and well-kept during her stint in the palace, but of course she understood that she was in this very intense balancing act where she knew the more that people loved her, the more danger that put her in with the Queen. So she.... needed to take breaks where she could. She needed to stare down into a dark hole full of water, apparently.
Okay, so Snow is by the well right? And she's mindlessly singing into it, and she's hearing a voice harmonizing with her, and harp music playing too, but she kind of assumes its her own imagination. Snow has a... funky effect on reality, a funky relationship to it, and it kind of freaks her out. You know how judges can bang a gavel and suddenly something is law? Imagine if you could change something about the world just because you were sad about something or kind of horny for a little too long, just because you wanted something badly enough, the rules are briefly broken. Snow's broken rules before, and she doesn't trust that shit. The only other magic she's seen has been brief glimpses of the Evil Queen's mirror and her fucked up Faerie-law-circmventing alchemy, both are driven and warped by willpower, so... it's only natural that Snow fears her own.
Snow doesn't trust herself. Song is... a safer form for these things. It gives them body and ritual but lets them disperse. Keeps them contained. Look, I can't explain all the rules because I don't know all the rules. All I got is rocks singing to me, okay? But she's singing and she hears... accompaniment, and she doesn't really think anything of it because she knows her will can change her own perception, at the very least.
Also like, a shit-ton of finches have shown up, but that's fine, birds are fine, they're just hanging out.
The song she's singing is mostly just vocalizations at first, but gradually those are turning into words, those words into wants, and then theres another voice harmonizing along with her own, so equal in loneliness she thinks its an echo, rendered deeper by the distortions of the well, but then its punctuated by the pluck of harp strings, and she thinks, maybe that's just her imagination. But then she sees a shadow behind her in her reflection in the well, her singing abruptly steers into a short yelp, and she immediately throws an elbow behind herself and catches Prince Damp Kingdom hard across the face and kaboonnng his harp clatters on the ground and he's covering his nose and he's muffling a very unprincely, "Oh shit--" into his hands and Snow is saying, "Oh my god, I'm so sorry, you scared me--"
And he's still muffling his voice through his hands as he's trying to stem his bloody nose like, "No, I misread that--I didn't mean to--owww-fuck--"
And Snow's like, "Let me see."
And the Prince goes, "It's fine, I'm fine," even though you can see blood on his chin now and this is all kind of a comedy of errors of royal politeness
And Snow insists, "Let me see," and the Prince immediately drops his hands because, as I've said, Snow has that effect on people and then Snow's hands fly over her own mouth.
"Is it bad?" says the Prince, his voice already nasally from swelling.
"Um," Snow fishes a kerchief from one of her tie-on pockets, "I can--um..." she dabs his face and the kerchief is pretty much immediately sodden with his blood, and she withdraws her hand with the kerchief as he tilts his head up to stem the blood more, and he kind of catches her in the corner of his eye, the way his own blood-sodden handkerchief matches the tint of her lips and the scarlet of her hair net studded with pearls, except she's pulling this teeth-gritting wincing "Eeeee..." face. And there's a beat and she just says, "I'm so sorry," again.
"S'fine..." Prince Damp Kingdom manages as she fishes another kerchief from her other tie-on pocket and hands it to him because she's scared she broke his nose and doesn't want to touch it, "Sorry for... scaring you?"
He kind of hopes that he caught an elbow to the face because he scared her, because the alternative is she hates him, because they've both been in this messed-up situation since basically both of them were in diapers, and what the hell has he been doing about it? He's the older kid, so what the hell has he been doing to figure out how to get them both the hell out of there? The whole world's eyes have been on both of them, the poor poor beautiful Snow White, Princess-Messiah, Chosen One Who Will Liberate 3 Kingdoms From the Grasp of the Wicked Queen If She Doesn't Get Fucking Murdered First... and Prince Chickenshit of the Dishwater Hair from Damp Kingdom... who is just... standing there... with his stupid fucking cup or his stupid fucking harp and isn't doing anything to help her.
Which, like, is what I've been saying.
But Snow would tell me I'm not being fair. Snow would say, "But that's the point, even if he was the older kid, he was still a kid."
And then she would get on with the story. Again, she told this story better than me.
So Snow says to the Prince, "Yes--I--I know--I mean, I'm sorry," and then to stop them from basically falling into a feedback loop of 'sorry's' she adds, "I'm just... kind of on edge these days."
"Is there anything I can do?" he says automatically, his voice now muffled beneath hand and more-slowly-soaking-with-blood kerchief and she gives him a polite but crinkle-browed smile and he's kind of gutted in this moment because he becomes immediately aware that she came to the conclusion that He Cannot Help Her in Any Significant Way a long time ago. And that's kind of fucked up, because she's younger than him, but also she Knows Mysterious Things and the world reacts strangely to her, so that's doubly gutting. Snow is the main fucking character, she is terrible and glorious purpose, and he has no impact on her story.
But then he remembers that song, the song she was singing that drew him out here, that drew his own song out, how fucking lonely it was, so he's not going to give up.
"I mean," he backtracks, "Why are you on edge?"
And something flickers across her face because like, she's used to being this beautiful and distant thing to people. More of a concept than a person, a beautiful story of a sad princess, hands clasped together with fingers interlaced in a tower.
"Let's--Let's get your nose looked at first, okay?" she manages, before taking the elbow of his free arm. She glances at his harp clattered on the ground and picks that up, too. "Come on," and she tugs him forward and he stumbles along with her, trying to negotiate stemming the blood from his nose with the jostling of his own footsteps while trying not to fuck up his own cartilage further. The finches trail after them follow in their bickering, zippy, chaotic way.
Well, this is ash. Do you want to go in?
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thewertsearch · 4 months ago
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TC: all my life i believed at a fuckin paradise to come what held the most baller, darkest of carnivals to join. TC: AND A PROPHECY TC: to tell all about a band of rowdy and capricious minstrels steeped in the good harshwhimsy. TC: THE MIRTHFUL MESSIAHS WERE FORETOLD TO BE CRASHING THAT FUCKING PIE STAND AND BRING THE HOLY RUCKUS. […] TC: I'M TALKING ABOUT THE VAST HONK, YOU BLASPHEMOUS MOTHERFUCKER.
I suppose I have to take Gamzee's cult a lot more seriously now - which means I should probably at least try to figure out what it is they actually believe.
It appears as if their doctrine is centered around some sort of prophecy, concerning a group of legendary figures known as 'mirthful messiahs'. They're fated to release the Vast Honk - and, in doing so, create some sort of Juggalo paradise.
We don't know any lore about the Vast Honk, but its name sets up intentional parallels with Gl'bgolyb's apocalyptic Vast Glub, as well as the Vast Croak, a holy sound emitted by newborn Genesis Frogs. Both of these sounds accompany enormous, galaxy-shaking cosmic events, so the Honk is presumably no different.
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Alternia's First Guardian was 'corrupted' by a genome of the same name, presumably changing him from a standard Sburb NPC into the English cultist we all know and tolerate.
Could the Vast Honk be released by someone corrupted in a similar manner? We already know that Jade's Genesis Frog was spliced with some unknown DNA; it's terrifyingly plausible that said DNA was planted by Scratch, Gamzee, or English himself. There's a very real possibility that the Vast Honk will come from the mouth of Jade's frog.
TC: BUT NOW. TC: because of you. TC: BECAUSE OF ALL YOU AND YOUR FUCKING OUTRAGEOUSNESS. TC: you stole up all my miracles away by revealing at me how the wicked shit was really kicked. TC: LIKE SOME FILTHY FUCKING SCIENSTIFF WHO AT OLD TIMES WOULD BE RULED UNFUNNY WITHOUT EVEN GETTING HIS FUCKING TRIAL ON. TC: and now i don't know what to think about the spiritual fantasies i had.
Anyway, Gamzee can’t seem to reconcile his worldview with this pair of alien rappers who seem to cruelly parody his beliefs.
He’s always been dimly aware of his fictional nature, and as his mind begins to clear, it is forced to confront the possibility that this is all his religion ever was. A viral video and a meme.
For once, he doesn't think it's a very funny joke.
TC: I HAVE THE IDEA THAT YOU PUT IN MY PAN TO SIT THERE. TC: that the paradise planet TC: IS A FUCKING JOKE. TC: and the miracles TC: ARE FAKE. TC: pure fiction. TC: FALSE FAKEY FRAUDY CON JOBS FROM A BUNCH OF UNFUNNY NINJA HARLEQUIN BULLSHIT ARTISTS.
It would be remiss of me not to bring up the possibility that ICP are non-trivially involved with Homestuck's plot. I mean, Betty Crocker is now a key figure in multiple characters’ backstories, so fucking anything is possible at this point.
Joseph Bruce and Joseph Utsler could literally be the mirthful messiahs, and I have no idea what that could mean. I might actually have to listen to their albums to understand the comic.
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ladyyy--stardust · 10 days ago
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I have many thoughts about SO much but right now I'm going to talk about the main event because holy FUCK.
Here's a list of the cool details I noticed and how I think this is going to play out in the future:
The obvious Messiah/Jesus imagery in Seth Rollins. The thorns, the white ('pure') outfit, him POSING as Jesus on the cross- and I really want to point out how after his inital entrance, he doesn't face forward with his arms out anymore when he poses like that- his head is turned to the SIDE as a heavier nod to how Jesus is depicted dying on the cross. The main difference is instead of looking slightly down, he's always looking UP.
Seth's fit instantly reminded me of Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania 25. Ugh I love it so much.
Speaking of outfits, my friends and I pointed out the colors in each of their outfits and how their connect to each other. Seth is wearing MOSTLY white but with bits of gold/yellow in his pants, Roman is wearing mostly black with hints of white on his gloves and shoes, while Punk is wearing ALL three colors but mostly yellow. Seth cannot let go of Punk, Roman cannot let go of Seth, and Punk will never be able to let go of either of them especially considering what happened at the end of this match.
One of my friends mentioned this first- Roman is going to handle this betrayal better than Punk will. Think about it- Roman is used to this by now. But Punk? Correct me if I'm wrong- I cannot name another time where Punk was burned THIS badly by someone he truly trusted and loved. Punk has always prided himself on being independent with few people he relies on- one of them always being Paul Heyman. This happening and considering when and where it took place- I don't think Punk is going to handle this well at all.
^ Roman on the other hand; I think this will finally be his wakeup call. His lone dog era. Look at the way he started pacing around like an angry, confused dog when he denied Seth's offer to work together to defeat Punk. And then look at the defeat in his eyes at the end of the match- the realization that he is TRULY alone. He held onto Paul too tight- just as he did with his family and the Shield. Maybe... Just maybe this is where his face turn starts.
And when Roman finally does turn face- Seth is going to credit himself for it. Look at what his sacrifice did. He SAVED Roman, just like he's SAVED the company from CM Punk, he SAVED Paul Heyman- all by carefully constructed destruction. He is and will always be a Shield.
And it's interesting. Because you know who else had this view about himself once? CM Punk. The Straight Edge Society. So... Even with all of this, Seth is STILL living in Punk's shadow. He might be Jesus- the Messiah, but God's favorite was ALWAYS Lucifer before he fell. And that must EAT at Seth- that even with all of his sacrifice and all the blood he's poured into our wine glasses that behind him will be the Devil himself.
But also this is a bunch of sweaty men fighting in their underwear and tights so maybe its not that deep but yk. YK.
Moving on a little from the obvious religious imagery- something I thought about was the idea being thrown around here of CM Punk and Drew McIntyre becoming a future tag team or alliance. I'm not sure how LIKELY this is but it made me wonder if Punk, semi-similar to Roman, will have an arc of reflection? He's a face already but I wonder if this trend of his fueds always being with past admirers of him will really click in his head and make him wonder why that is. Sort of realize the damage he might've truly done to people like Drew and Seth. Idk how it'll play out exactly but it's just something I thought about
I think either way- Punk and Roman will be big parts in each other's journeys. Esp with the way Punk looked at him after
Alright. alright. It's 2am and I need to sleep. Could this have been more coherent? Yeah probably but I'm insane and I need to hear yalls thoughts NOWWWWW. I'm so not ready for tomorrow AAAHHH BitES MY FUCKING HAND
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fruttymoment · 9 months ago
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Do you think only Rue is a robot or is Cedric secretly a robot too in that one theory?
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When Niko asks the question, Cedric answers too!
Unsure if this is a theory at this point; but it is HEAVILY suggested that both Rue and Cedric are robots as well, just like Proto. Pretty sure it's also confirmed by Nightmargin herself, in somewhere! I just forgor
I do, however, have another theory. Based in this interaction :
Since the entire world is just a simulation, is EVERYONE there technically is a robot?
Are Proto, Cedric and Rue specifically robots because they are The Author's children?
It's hard to say a certain thing because first of all we have no idea what exactly makes a robot, well, 'robot', in the universe of OneShot.
A robot is an entity with computing power, specifically designed to do a certain task. We see nurse robots, rowbots, guardian robots etc. in the game. All of them surely are robots, but they have different missions and are built for different tasks.
However, just like other people, robots are NPCs. NPCs in OneShot are basically simulated people, and are not real. Well, they WERE real in the Old World. Now it's not really them but their digital version of themselves, built by complex coding from The Author that 'lives' inside of The World Machine's simulation.
Imagine the Earth we know today is about to be destroyed tomorrow. In horror, scientists somehow figure out how to turn you into a code to simulate yourself in a computer. Forever, perhaps. It's still you with your emotions, habits, thoughts and stuff! It's just that you are not real anymore, but just powered by electricity inside of a computer. You just dont know it.
This of course creates something.. rather interesting.
What is real? What isn't?
WELL WE HAVE NO IDEA BOUT THAT IRL. In the universe of OneShot though; anyone that is living in this simulated environment is an NPC. NPCs don't remember anything when you reset the game for Solstice run, because they are a part of the simulation. They ARE the simulation. And when you reset the game, so the simulation is formatted. No one remembers Niko and anything.
Niko is the messiah because they are a real person. They do not belong this simulation, they have their own world and life. They came to this simulated environment from somewhere else; they never belonged here and they were never a part of the Old World.
This is the difference between real people and NPCs in OneShot, basically. I hope??
Now, one has to ask. The Author has left the world in his 'own terms'. He is probably alive though. But, what about their children? Why are they.. seperated?
I don't think we have any official explanation. A thing I found is apparently Author, Cedric, Rue and Proto all lived in the Real World. So, they existed there. Pay attention to this because it will be... relevant.
Rue, Cedric and Proto are The Author's children. Altho, the wiki sometimes say 'creations' which I am very unsure. In any way, they lived together. They all do call him their "Father". It may not be the word 'father' we think, but maybe a creator too.
Now, this makes me wonder. The Author left, but why their children remains in the simulation? Maybe an accident happened?
Here is a very super weird fact.
Because technically they are bound to the simulation, all three siblings are considered as NPCs.
Wait um
Are they.. NPCs? If i remember correctly, Proto said that they themselves arent regular NPCs. He even knows what NPC is, and why they dont remember anything.
So...? Why three of them are special in this way? Maybe Author just made them so. Everyone else is from the Real World too, but the three siblings are somehow special in a matter.
So! The siblings are robots but arent just NPCs.
But. Then, what the fuck??
WERE THEY ALWAYS ROBOTS OR LIKE?? Why other people arent robots, but Cedric and Rue are?? They do NOT look like robots!
Did three of them fucking DIED irl and Author pulled a William Afton and made them robots??? WHAT
HOW DOES THAT WORK. SINCE THEY ARE CONSIDERED AS REAL AND NOT NPCS, THEY ARE NOT SIMULATED AT ALL. THEY JUST- THATS HOW THEY EXISTED IRL. HUH?? BUT-
Dont worry it gets worse :)
Remember just when i said Proto, Cedric and Rue arent NPCs but real people, riight?
Prepare to lose your shit because i am going to tell you somrthing.
"When Rue, Cedric, and Proto must be placed in the portal near the end of the Solstice run, Rue is the only one who doesn't have the "NPC" tag on her spritesheet."
- OneShot Wiki , a fact
Oh!
Rue
Rue, that fuckinf fox that i love completely destroys something we thought.
Rue :3
She fucking. Causes a HUGE problem.
According to the game files ITSELF, Rue is the ONLY ONE that does NOT have NPC tag.
This could mean two things. Lets see.
This is only a technical game thing. Rue does not have a NPC tag, because she is the only one that meets you before Solstice. She then remembers and knows you in Solstice. Proto and Cedric are not met before Solstice, thus they technically count as NPCs in not lore but technical game way. In short : Because Rue is the only one that remembers you afterwards, the devs themselves could removed the NPC tag to note themselves that Rue is different. Maybe thats how game code works too? Maybe if you give a NPC tag to a character, it means the character will be resetted after the save file gimmick is deleted. Rue not having an NPC tag could maaybe mean she is supposed to be not affected by a reset, and remembers, so has special interactions
Something malicious is brewing. Oh my fucking god
Tbh, both seem... weak? First of all I dont think the devs simply forgor the name tag for Rue. As a dev NAMING files and confirming everything, that doesnt seem normal. Maybe they really did forgot?? But it could easily be changed by an update or something afterwards?
Another thing is : its just a name in her spritesheets. A name of a spritesheet surely can change some stuff in game engine specifically, but um. I am very unsure.
Anyways. Lets see.
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Screenshots from OneShot TWM Edition.
... well! She STILL has no NPC tag !!
THE DEVS KNOW.
THERE MUST BE A REASON. BUT WHICH ONE???
Is it somehow a technical thing???
Or. Something rather funny is going on.
Well um. We literally need direct answer from Nightmargin if its a lore thing; or perhaps GIR & Eliza if its a technical coding reason. Who knows??
I actually will ask this to Nightmargin in her Tumblr Q&A. Who knows, maybe she will answer!!!
If its a technical reason, then there isnt much stuff to discuss here. All three of them are possibly something else than just a simple NPC.
...if not, Rue is. Someone special perhaps. There may be a whole stuff we dont know about Rue and the siblings.
Rue always felt slightly different. Who knows.
Anyway TLDR ; Cedric is a robot too lol
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indecisiveavocado · 4 months ago
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So you want to learn more about Judaism, part 1: The Complete Beginner's Guide to Judaism
This is a series about judaism for those who want to learn more about it. It also covers Judaism-adjacent topics, like antisemitism, Israel, and Jewish history/culture/etc.
But first, you should probably know the basics of Judaism. I'm assuming you know nothing about us, or have realized that what you do know is wrong. This is a bit oversimplified, but should be reasonable enough.
What does it mean when someone says, "I'm Jewish"?
It can mean a lot of things, but it generally means one or both of the following:
I follow Judaism as a religion
I am ethnically Jewish
Let's dig into each of these.
The religion
Judaism is a religion. It arose over 3,000 years ago in the region roughly corresponding to the modern-day countries and regions of Israel, Palestine, southern Syria and Lebanon, and western Jordan.
It is monotheistic, which means it worships one god. Its holy text is the Five Books of Moses, or Torah. It does not believe in the divinity of Jesus. If you see someone claiming you can be religiously Jewish and believe Jesus was the Messiah, son of God, or divine, they are wrong.
Judaism has many requirements (613 in the Torah alone!). Some of them are more famous, like not eating pork, not mixing milk and meat, resting on the Sabbath (for Jews, sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday), et cetera. Some of them are less famous, often because they aren't able to be done.
You see, many of Judaism's rules presume a temple in Jerusalem. There was, once, a temple in Jerusalem; it got destroyed and Jews were exiled. Then we came back and built it again. It got destroyed again by the Romans in 70 CE, as part of a campaign to destroy us[1]. Only a small part of it, the Western Wall, the holiest still-standing site in Judaism, survives to this day; the rest of it is underneath the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
Judaism has many different denominations. The big ones are:
Hasidic: These people try to follow all of the rules, and then some. They follow many different rebbes, or leaders, and were hit very hard in the Holocaust due to being heavily concentrated in Eastern Europe. They are most of the speakers of Yiddish today. They can be very isolated from the outside world, but many of them aren't.
Orthodox: More lenient and open to the outside world than Hasidic Jews generally are, Orthodox Jews range from Hasidic to Open Orthodox, who ordain women and do other no-nos in traditional Orthodoxy.
Conservative: Conservative Jews occupy an intermediate position. They generally follow the rules as laid out, but are more flexible with them. So while a Reform family might drive on Shabbat, and an Orthodox family might not, a Conservative family might only drive to get to shul (temple, religious building) if they live far away from one.
Reform: Reform Jews are very flexible with the rules of Judaism, in a good way. They're very permissive of queer things. (Disclosure: I'm Reform.)
There are many smaller groups, like Ethiopian Jews, who have unique traditions stemming in part from long isolation from the rest of the world's Jewry; Karaite Jews, who reject the Talmud, which interpreted and expanded on Jewish law; and Humanistic Jews, who don't ever explicitly say there's a God.
Ethnic Judaism
Judaism is also an ethnicity. Well, several. With the exception of a few small communities, all are clearly from the Middle East genetically, but they do have differences, including in terms of customs. Since Jews have spread all over, there are a lot of divisions, but the big ones are:
Mizrahim: These Jews never left the Middle East. Formerly they were all over the Middle East, but after the foundation of the State of Israel, they were persecuted out of their homes, and most now live in Israel.
Sephardim: Sephardic Jews were originally from the Iberian Peninsula, but, due to the Spanish Inquisition (and its Portuguese cousin), most lived in the Middle East, North Africa, and southern Europe for hundreds of years. In the case of the former two, after the founding of the State of Israel, they were persecuted out and fled to Israel. In the case of the latter, they generally died in the Holocaust.
Ashkenazim, or Jews from Eastern and Central Europe. The vast majority of American Jews, a minority of Israeli Jews. Most Hasidim are Ashkenazi. Most of the Jewish Holocaust victims were Ashkenazi, and so today the major centers of Ashkenazi populations are the US and to a lesser extent Israel. It used to be Eastern Europe, though. (Poland alone had 3 million Jews, although it managed to kill 90 percent of them and make something like 99 percent of the survivors flee, then deny any wrongdoing.)
There are lots of smaller ones too, like the:
Mountain Jews and Georgian Jews: Two distinct Jewish communities nestled in the Caucasus who seem to have been in the diaspora since some number of centuries BCE, well before most other diaspora populations.
Persian Jews: Similarly long diaspora history. A surprisingly large population remains in Iran.
Yemenite Jews: Distinct in ritual from other communities of Jews, they have by now mostly fled Yemen.
Ethiopian Jews: Highly distinct from other Jewish groups, they lived in almost total isolation from the broader Jewish world for over a thousand years. Their traditional religious practice doesn't follow the Talmud, as most other ones do, meaning they seemingly codified their own set of Jewish law. Early observers from more integrated Jewish communities noted that they observed customs that had long since died out in the broader Jewish world. Most of them now live in Israel.
A few seperate communities of Jews in modern-day India, now mostly in Israel
Many more[2]
[1] The genocide (it was a genocide) included expelling us, distributing us as slaves, killing us, and erasing our traditional name for the region (Yisrael) to try to erase our connection to the region. They called the region Palestina.
[2] Seriously, if it's a country in Africa or Eurasia, odds are there is/was a Jewish community in it, often with distinct traditions/origins.
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kiyomitakada · 6 months ago
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This is not in Halle’s contract. Yes, she’s in the SPK to avenge her brother — not to make a quick buck — and yes, she’s more of an independent asset anyway, but nevertheless she is quite sure this is not in her contract.
“Well, you think I’m stupid,” Amane muses, poking at the glass of wine in front of her. “So you’d put the poison in my glass.”
“I would never think so lowly of you,” Takada says innocently, the corner of her mouth twitching upward. “You are a dear friend, Amane-san.”
“Riiight, and I’m not stupid, so I’d go for your glass instead. But,” and Amane leans forward to jab a finger in Takada’s face, “you told me that just so I would go for your glass, so you actually put the poison in your glass.”
“I really don’t know where this misconception came from,” Takada says calmly. “I never said I poisoned either of our glasses.”
“You said you hoped I’d enjoy it!”
“An entirely benign thing to say—”
“No no no,” Amane says. “You said it like—” She lowers her voice to a purr. “‘I hope you… enjoy it, Amane-san.’”
Takada is now clearly fighting down a smile. “You’re imagining things.”
“‘Because it would be such a shame if this was your last meal, since the Kira activity has been ramping up so much lately’—”
“Is that really what I sound like to you?”
“Yes. And, and then: ‘it’s really rather fitting we have red wine, just as Judas did before he kissed the Messiah’—”
“I absolutely did not say that,” Takada says, amusement dancing in her eyes. Halle almost does a double take; she looks so different from the Kiyomi Takada who exits hotel rooms with the beginnings of sadness in the creases of her smile. “Where did you even get that from?”
“The goth look is researched, you know,” Amane huffs. “I don’t just slap crosses on and call it a day, the aesthetic has to make sense!”
“Unlike you,” Takada murmurs.
“Hey!” Amane leans even further forward, almost knocking her wine glass over, and pokes Takada in the shoulder. “I heard that.”
“I know,” Takada says, and slaps her hand over Amane’s, trapping it on her shoulder. Amane freezes. Halle expects her to pull back, but — no, they’re both just staring at each other now, Amane’s eyes wide and Takada’s narrowed. A stalemate.
Halle gives it ten seconds before she clears her throat.
“Ah—!” Takada lets go, leaning back. Amane collapses back into her seat, eyes still rounded. “Apologies, Lidner-san, I…”
“Hey,” Amane interjects, “I almost deduced your whole thing there! You distracted me. Which means the poison has to be in your glass!”
Halle internally revises her report to Near. This is not a catfight. This is something much weirder than that.
“Yes, congratulations,” Takada says dryly. “You’ve uncovered my evil plot.”
Amane reaches for her own glass, then pauses again. “But then… why are you letting me think that?”
A smirk is growing on Takada’s face. “Why indeed?”
“Alright, Kiyomi,” Amane declares, slamming both hands onto the table. “This battle of wits begins! Today!”
Honestly. If it hadn’t been for the fact that Halle had prepared the wine herself and therefore knew perfectly well that it was nontoxic, she’d probably be hoping both glasses were poisoned by now.
On the plus side, at least she’ll get to surprise Near with the knowledge that the suspected second Kira and Kira’s spokeswoman have started flirting. This is probably good for the strategy. Somehow.
“I accept your challenge,” Takada says coolly, but it’s all too easy to see the sparkle in her eyes.
Please for the love of god let this be good for the strategy.
[ @deathnotetober day 20: poison (with apologies to the princess bride) ]
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chaifootsteps · 7 months ago
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*sighs* Hello, Chai, this is Metallica Anon with a bit of a lengthy post. 🤘
It's been a while since you last heard from me. Mainly because I've been busy with life, getting sick with the flu earlier this month, and often times coming onto your Tumblr when the ask box is locked.
Last time you heard from me, I told you I was going to see Metallica live that weekend. I did... twice. I'll make the Metallica gushing brief. Both shows were fantástica and they had different setlists with no repeated songs. They even played "Leper Messiah" on the Friday show... which segways into the main subject of this rant.
Yep, I'm ranting about Viv again. More specifically, I have this issue involving her... *ahem*
Why can't I move on from her and her shows?!
Why am I still thinking about vile woman and her shit-shows? Why am I still reading fanfics and viewing or even commissioning fanart of her shows? Why am I still even dreaming about her shows?! It's like my mind is forever clouded in a thick red smog. I honestly can't fathom how I let myself become a fan of this demon drivel for four years. Granted, I did manage to break away, but the damage has been done. Right now, I'm feeling like Pearl from Steven Universe.
♪ It's over, isn't it? Why can't I move on? ♪
I mentioned this to you before when S1 ended (which I still refuse to watch), but the one thing that Viv did that really detonated the H-bomb inside me was the twist of Vaggie being a former exterminator. I endured a lot of her shit, but somehow this was the final straw for me with Viv. Why? Was it because of its plot-hole laden ridiculousness? Was it because I perceived it as Viv sucking the fandom's dick by implementing fan theories into her show? Was it because it made me foolish that I didn't see this twist coming? I think the answer is all three, though mostly the fandom dick sucking part.
What's sadder is that I've had a similar experience with My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. Hell, it was late 2019 that I officially sent MLP:FIM to the glue factory while checking into the Hazbin Hotel. I guess history really does repeat itself. 😔
I know I've thanked you a lot, Chai, but I still feel the need to thank you for all you do. Frankly, you're the only person I feel comfortable talking to about my issues with Viv, despite the fact that we're likely thousands of miles apart. I'm actually terrified of mentioning anything Hellaverse related to my family or friends. Mainly because they would most likely not understand what I'm talking about, or I might inadvertently turn them into fans. 😬
Wowie-Kazowie, that was a load off of me being hard on myself. It's probably longest ask I ever sent you. Now I shall close this rant with a Metallica reference...
Viv, I dub thee unforgiven. 🖕
Hey, I get it, especially the dreaming part! It's annoying as hell, but you can't just switch off something that meant a lot to you...not when the quality dips or when the creator turns out to be an asshole, not even when it hurts you. The love stays with you forever, like HPV.
That's awesome that you got to see Metallica twice, though! At least the universe threw you that bone to make up for it.
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ultimate-marysue · 1 year ago
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I feel like Chani choosing to save Paul through the prophecy would make their reconciliation so much easier. I really dislike Jessica's use of the voice in general but especially at this moment.
It would have been such a great moment of tension with herself, completely devastated by the loss of her Usul. And then she remembers... the tears of the desert spring, a stupid prophecy. She isn't sure that's how it works. The desert spring is supposed to be a metaphor for the ecological change, right? But it is her name and she does feel like crying. She isn't convinced it will work because it's a silly prophecy, but she just has to try.
She springs into action she grabs the water of life and Jessica tries to stop her, probably thinking she's trying to join Paul. But Stilgar, who knows Chani's, name stops her. And Jessica sees her mix the tears with the water of life, she know another drop of it might either kill Paul or bring him back so she let's it happen, hoping for the best. We get some much needed nuance with her character, clearly worried about her son and asking Alia "what have we done?".
Chani, who doesn't believe in religious prophecies nor Bene Gesserit bullshit holds the two drops to Paul's mouth. A part of her simply wants to show everyone how stupid this is, how there's no prophecy, and how they're fanaticism has killed a great man. But then Paul wakes up.
The relief, the horror, the completely upending of her entire belief system... chef's kiss. She isn't sure if this is some Bene Gesserit thing, if Paul was pretending so he could get her to fulfill the prophecy. And then she hears Stilgar's voice "Tears of the desert spring".
Everyone around them drops to worship the Lisan Al-Gaib. Jessica is relieved, Stilgar is overjoyed and she's just confused. Paul tries to hold her, tk kiss her to thank her but she isn't ready. She feels tricked. She has spent her entire life believing one thing and now nothing makes sense.
So she keeps her distance, she tries to resist the prophecy that Paul himself called bullshit but she's confused. She isn't going to abandon her conviction that their savior must be Fremen. She remembers Paul asking in the tent if he's not Fremen enough after passing every test and she doubts.
She fights for the Fremen at the battle for Arrakeen, she does her part and she wonders if she had any choice at all. And then the thing with the princess happens, and she's distraught. Paul reassures her that he will love her as long as he breathes and it comforts her. At least until she remembers how he stopped breathing after the water of life. What's worst, he declares himself an emperor, forcing the old man to kiss his hand like a petulant child. And he threatens to destroy the spice if people don't accept him as their new ruler ...is too much.
She made a promise too, to love him as long as he remained himself. He changed and the most frightening thing is that she still loves him. She needs space, she needs the desert.
This would offer the possibility of Paul finding her and saying "You are angry at me for participating in the prophecy to save this planet but you used it to save me when you thought I was dying". He could try to convince her with that whole "when everything and everyone you love is at stake you'll take whatever chance you get" which is kinda how he locks himself in that specific future in the books.
I don't know they could have a conversation on how things would be different if he had died in Siege Tabur or after the water of life. He would explain to her (and the audience) the narrow golden path, and how the alternatives are so much worse.
I think it would be interesting if Chani comes to the conclusion that she has to end Paul's tyranny out of love, because her Usul would rather die than become a monster. But she pretends to accept Paul's argument (the audience unsure if she does buy it or not). That would set the stage for Dune Messiah much better and have a very interesting dynamic between the two (specially for that ending).
Jessica forcing her doesn't accomplish anything it only confirms for Chani that the Profe y is some Bene Gesserit bullshit (Jessica calls for her and forces her to do it). The reconciliation is going to be so much more difficult after that. Also, for a guy that wants to tell "a bene Gesserit story" the director is misusing Jessica. If they let her be more manipulative (talking to Alia about how the drop from the water of life will trigger the reaction for him to wake up) we could see how the prophecy is planted while allowing the Fremen to believe something magical happened. It would open Chani to her manipulation...but no, she had to scream.
I feel like, for all that they show us Jessica manipulating the religious people, that scene left a lot of people confused. I saw the people at the theater saying "wait so the prophecy is real" which is the last thing you want to do in a Dune adaptation.
What I described would only take two more minutes (and a lot of acting) but I think it would make the themes clearer and make Chani and Jessica a bit more interesting. I liked the movie but this is one of those moments I simply can't understand, specially from a fan of the Bene Gesserit.
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demon-of-the-ancient-world · 5 months ago
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Ok. Ok. I honestly have no idea how Chani and Paul's relationship will be handled in the 3rd movie, and honestly? I don't care. I'm confident that however it's handled (so long as it's not some extremely OOC plot with her forgiving him and going back to him willingly, but I'm pretty confident it won't be that) it will change my brain chemistry.
But hold on. hOld on. Because as much as I love the thought of there being a lot of heat and tension and Feelings Feelings (99.9% of which are NOT positive) between the two of them, and it's likely that's the direction the film will go, I'm also somewhat intrigued by the alternative. That there's...nothing. Maybe not at first. But after twelve years, if Denis intends to keep the time jump as written, things fade. No hate, but no love either. As if they'd never known each other at all.
Because it's been twelve years. Nobody knows exactly how old the two of them are supposed to be in the films, but my personal headcanon is like 18/19. Meaning if Messiah keeps that time jump, it would put them in their early thirties. That's...a lot of time. That's a big difference in psychology, in emotional processing, in just...ways of life and ways of living. It's strange to me to assume that both of them would be exactly the same people - on their own or in regards to each other - after all that time.
And of course, that's not to say they'd forget each other entirely. Scars don't fade that easily. Everything Paul went through leaves a mark. Watching your lover succumb to the clutches of power and essentially becoming somebody entirely new, becoming your people's oppressor after swearing to fight alongside you in your rebellion as an equal (and for all you know, that was his plan all along) definitely leaves a mark. But twelve years is still a long time, longer still for people dealing with the level of shit these people deal with in day to day life. Whatever both of them could be up to for all that time leaves marks too, and adds to the pile of shit.
Especially, I think, for Chani. Because her anger and defiance against her oppressors began long before she met Paul. That is her purpose. Paul changed and grew along with her and because of her presence. He is forever touched by her and her memory, and won't, I don't think, ever be able to let go of that. And while Chani's rage and despair and pain at what he did is very real and very much not something I can see just fading away, I could also see her almost using what happened as an excuse to go back to whatever "normal" was before Paul for her. Almost as a coping mechanism. Because Paul did, in her eyes, essentially become a different being after the Water of Life. He's not the man she fell in love with. And maybe it would be easier for her to, rather than engage with that anger directly at him, just...let him fade into the background. He's not him anymore. He's just another evil to defeat.
I've just...realized I kind of have mixed feelings about the thought of her spending twelve years nursing her rage at Paul specifically. Of course it was a betrayal - probably the biggest betrayal she's ever known - and that kind of thing doesn't just go away. But she hated the empire before he was emperor. There's a depressing kind of power in going "ok, I guess it's no different than before, I'll just keep on going the same way I was before any of this happened." As if the months she spent with him were nothing, weren't even real. Just...the thought of Chani as an adult going on day to day with whatever she's doing to fight for her people's freedom, trying desperately to forget that the man who now holds that freedom in a yoke was once one she loved and trusted. And it getting slightly easier every day. Her dreams of her people's political victory mattered long before Paul came into the picture and will matter long after he left. It's not about him, it's still about the emperor. Whos is not the man she loved.
idk I *love* Chani's Feelings after part 2 and all that could come with that, I love it but part of me is also like...if they really do spend 12 years apart does she really have nothing better to do with her time (ESPECIALLY if it turns out she has a child) than plan her revenge against him specifically? Like. as the Emperor Of The Known Universe, yes, because he is at the top of the food chain of oppression she's spend her life trying to bring down. But not as Paul. Not as the man who betrayed her. Because all of that is wrapped up in personal, vulnerable feelings that I feel like to her would seem like a waste of time. She will not give water to the dead, and Paul is dead to her.
And all this would be more tragic because I'm sure, I'm sure that with Paul it's the complete opposite. He cannot forget her. He cannot have a life where he doesn't think of her. And a part of him would be still trying to protect her from his position probably, maybe even hoping in some distant part of his mind that she'll one day come back. Twelve years of grief and guilt cutting a hole in his chest versus twelve years of practicing how to forget.
And then. Again, I doubt this is the route they'll go because it's not as dramatically interesting, at least I'd love to see it in a fic (maybe I'll do it), but it would be so unusual to me to see them meet again, and their story not end in revenge or reconciliation. There's no forgiveness, there's also no surprise killing or coup or anything. Maybe Paul thinks it'll go one of those ways, but instead it's like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, for lack of a better comparison. His relief at her being alive, the indescribable regret, love that is still there, all of that met with...nothing. Because Paul, kid, it's been twelve years. She's moved on. She's fighting her fight, and you are her political enemy and that is all you are. She can't even hate you, because *you* aren't the one betrayed her. For there to have been betrayal, that would mean she had to have loved and trusted you, and she never did. She loved and trusted Usul, and you're Emperor Muad'dib. The two do no equate. She will never love you again. But she can't hate you, because she doesn't even see you as a person - let alone one she used to love.
@fuckyeahisawthat idk if you have a counterpoint or thoughts or whatever i just wanted to tag u
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fuckyeahisawthat · 1 year ago
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There are so many places in the Villeneuve Dune adaptations where he just...takes all the narrative pieces that Frank Herbert laid out and subtly rearranges them into something that tells the story better--that creates dramatic tension where you need it, communicates the themes and message of the book more clearly, or corrects something in the text that contradicts or undermines what Herbert said he was trying to say.
The fedaykin are probably my favorite example of this. I just re-read a little part of the book and got smacked in the face with how different they are.
(under the cut for book spoilers and length)
The fedaykin in the book are Paul's personal followers, sort of his personal guard. They show up after his legend has already started growing (the word doesn't appear in the book until chapter 40) and they are people who have specifically dedicated themselves to fighting for him, and right from the moment they're introduced there is a kind of implied fanaticism to their militancy that's a bit uncomfortable to read. They're the most ardent believers in Paul's messianic status and willing to die for him. (They are also, as far as you can tell from the text, all men.)
In the book, as far as I can remember (I could be forgetting some small detail but I don't think so) there is no mention of armed resistance to colonialism on Arrakis before Paul shows up. As far as we know, he created it. ETA: Okay I actually went back and checked on this and while we hear about the Fremen being "a thorn in the side" of the Harkonnens and we know that they are good fighters, we don't see anything other than possibly one bit of industrial sabotage. The book is very clear that the organized military force we see in the second half was armed and trained by Paul. This is exacerbated by the two-year time jump in the book, which means we never see how Paul goes from being a newly deposed ex-colonial overlord running for his life to someone who has his own private militia of people ready to give their lives for him.
The movie completely flips all these dynamics on their head in ways that add up to a radical change in meaning.
The fedaykin in the movie are an already-existing guerrilla resistance movement on Arrakis that formed long before Paul showed up. Literally the first thing we learn about the Fremen, less that two minutes into the first movie, is that they are fighting back against the colonization and exploitation of their home and have been for decades.
The movie fedaykin also start out being the most skeptical of the prophecy about Paul, which is a great choice from both a political and a character standpoint. Of course they're skeptical. If you're part of a small guerrilla force repeatedly going up against a much bigger and stronger imperial army...you have to believe in your own agency. You have to believe that it is possible to win, and that this tiny little chip in the armor of a giant terrifying military machine that you are making right now will make a difference in the end. These are the people who are directly on the front lines of resisting oppression. They are doing it with their own sweat, blood and ingenuity, and they are not about to wait around for some messiah who may never come.
From a character standpoint, this is really the best possible environment you could put Paul Atreides in if you want to keep him humble. He doesn't get any automatic respect handed to him due to title or birthright or religious belief. He has to prove himself--not as any kind of savior but as a good fighter and a reliable member of a collective political project. And he does. This is an environment that really draws out his best qualities. He's a skilled fighter; he's brave (sometimes recklessly so); he's intensely loyal to and protective of people he cares about. He is not too proud to learn from others and work hard in an egalitarian environment where he gets no special treatment or extra glory. The longer he spends with the fedaykin the more his allegiance shifts from Atreides to Fremen, and the more skeptical he himself becomes about the prophecy. This sets up the conflict with Jessica, which comes to a head before she leaves for the south. And his political sincerity--that he genuinely comes to believe that these people deserve liberation from all colonial forces and his only role should be to help where he can--is what makes the tragedy work. Because in the end we know he will betray all these values and become the exact thing he said he didn't want to be.
There's another layer of meaning to all this that I don't know if the filmmakers were even aware of. ETA: rescinding my doubt cause based on some of Villeneuve's other projects I'm pretty sure he could work it out. Given the time period (1960s) and Herbert's propensity for using Arabic or Arabic-inspired words for aspects of Fremen culture, it seems very likely that the made-up word fedaykin was taken from fedayeen, a real Arabic word that was frequently used untranslated in American news media at the time, usually to refer to Palestinian armed resistance groups.
Fedayeen is usually translated into English as fighter, guerrilla, militant or something similar. The translation of fedaykin that Herbert provides in Dune is "death commando"...which is a whole bucket of yikes in my opinion, but it's not entirely absurd if we're assuming that this fake word and the real word fedayeen function in the same way. A more literal translation of fedayeen is "self-sacrificer," as in willing, intentional self-sacrifice for a political cause, up to and including sacrificing your life.
If you apply this logic to Dune, it means that Villeneuve has actually shifted the meaning of this word in-universe, from fighters who are willing to sacrifice themselves for Paul to fighters who are willing to sacrifice themselves for their people. And the fedaykin are no longer a group created for Paul but a group that Paul counts himself as part of, one member among equals. Which is just WILDLY different from what's in the book. And so much better in my opinion.
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revclver-jesus · 2 months ago
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{{ ok so. Miles and miles of me rambling incoherently about the musical--
I never really got to see the kotone version of the musical?? I'm not sure why... Maybe I was already on hiatus by the time it came out, i'm not sure, but I'm just now seeing it!! And~ adding it to my extensive Strega knowledge!! dskhgdkhs
First thing, I really love how Jin is depicted in the femme MC musical,,, a very slight change, but Jin is very distinctly an active agent of Takaya's agenda in this depiction. I love these two together !! They are such good friends !!!
There's a great little musical bit ( its short so im not sure i'd call it a song, but it is a musical tidbit lol ) where they actually depict Takaya,,, doing cult leader stuff! And he's preaching to a crowd. And Jin is an excellent hype man!! And its sinister but they have such great chemistry-- they're efficient together, yknow? And once again, its obvious that Jin is not a victim. He's a cunning and willing accomplice.
And even more interesting-- when they come to break out Chidori, Jin actually talks more than Takaya, being the one to say the line " you don't belong anywhere else but with us" and adding on to that sentiment that "some things are never meant for people like us" of which Takaya simply says "Harsh, but true" basically lmao. Takaya also indicates more open resentment, referring to Junpei as a "Self righteous hypocrite". As always, reading between the lines of his cool, confident demeanor indicates the sincere emotion behind his actions.
Combining this with Jin's canon tendency to refer to Chidori as a very dear friend to him? Its emotionally complicated. Jin is not manipulating her like a supervillain, he is emotionally manipulating her accidentally through self projection, the fear of losing one of his only friends, and giving bad advice from traumatic experience.
THUS INDICATING THE EMOTIONAL COMPLEXITY of Takaya AND Jin's relationship with Chidori. Because if both characters can say that line interchangeably.... their motivations are probably quite similar, even if they express it differently. Especially because Jin is so in agreement with Takaya in that play. Takaya is also giving bad advice due to traumatic experience-- made evident by his earnest resentment for the heroes-- he just does it on a wide scale and with a far more calculated way of speaking. But the origin of why they think the way they do is identical.
And then, of course, the most important scene-- showing exactly how Takaya saved Jin, its clear that Takaya also saved Chidori-- just more literally speaking, in that he shot the men leading them into missions that would inevitably kill them and ran away with them in tow. ( Somehow he had a massive revolver-- they do not explain where he found the gun, I guess he stole it off a lab assistant? lmao ) There was no reason for him to do it except to help them. But, the reason its most memorable to Jin is that he interrupted Jin mid suicide attempt-- seeming to be driven to kill those men because of Jin's near death. ( saying the same phrase as the bridge scene! )
And there is something very striking about the way the actor plays his younger self, accompanying the shadow actors, as so emotional. Because in this version of the story, this is the first time we see Takaya scream like that, let alone to save someone else, completely shattering your perception of this character who was otherwise calm and sinister up until now. There is really no way to interpret what he did as anything other than an act of empathy to stop someone from dying. And what an unexpected side to see of the....... death cult messiah lmao.
mini observation-- I know this is just a thing people do on stage plays to cleanly transition and not leave props behind, but I like the detail of Takaya picking up Chidori's weapon and looking at it for a moment before he leaves. idk lol. }}
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ellanainthetardis · 1 month ago
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just wanted to let you know how grateful I am for all that you have written for the hayffie fandom. I completely understand moving on and your reasoning with receiving less feedback and community with your works. but I check in on your blog every once in a while when my hayffie heart is curious because hayffie was my first fandom when I was 12 and your fics showed me who effie and haymitch are (and what incredible storytelling looks like). I don’t really know how to articulate this but your works have always been the hunger games and hayffie canon to me. I was looking forward to reading SOTR until I realized how different the plotline would look compared to your fics and now I’m not sure what I’m going to do. but regardless, I just wanted to let you know that what you’ve given to this fandom has not gone unnoticed. hayffie was my safe haven in my teen years and I still come back to your fics whenever I’m feeling nostalgic. you made something truly special ❤️❤️
Aw thank you! <3
I think especially nowadays with all the "sequels" and "prequels" and "reboot" it's important when you reaaaaally care (probably too much lik me) about a character or a story to take those with a grain of salt regarding canon. Basically what I am saying is, you can just go in there cautiously. If you love it that's great and you can keep it as canon along the rest, if you don't you can just dismiss it and keep the og as canon in your heart.
I feel like it's a little taboo to say "I didn't like sotr" because people will fall on you and say "how can you say that! The political commentary blablabla" and that aspect I am sure is asbolutely spendidly done because SC is veeeery good at that but the reality of the situation is that she could have chosen to write a whole new world for her polical commentary or she could have used other characters. To me what I saw of the plot changes everything I loved about the og THG and I simply don't vibe with that so I'm just going to ignore it. That doesn't change the fact that I'm sure she did a splendid job with the political aspect, it simply means I care more about the characters than about reading a book with a message. There are plenty of those around that are great. There's only one Haymitch to me (and it's not the sotr one unfortunately)
What I am trying to say is that a book can have good things and bad things. People can love a franchise, recognize the good things and be disappointed or angry about the bad things. Everything can coexist. And I've seen pretty harsh reactions around the last few days when people dare say they didn't like it because they thought there was too much fan service or that it turns Katniss in a sort of messiah or that they were disappointed with Haymitch's characterisation... It's all valid opinions though. People are allowed to feel this way. That's the risk when you come back and write about such a popular character.
Also you can't come back to a series you wrote 20+ years ago and write the characters or the series the same. It's simply not possible. You've changed, you've grown. It's a necessary fact of life that it grew with you. Which is why I was very wary of prequels to begin with. Sequels, it's a different matter because it can be more coherent, less obvious if characters are different - they grew too - but in a prequel... Yeah.
Anyway that's not so articulate answer because it's early where I am and I haven't drunk my morning tea yet.
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eternallyblight · 2 years ago
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Highlights from the Talk is Jericho Podcast w/Brendon Small and Gene Hoglan
Listen to the podcast here
Hatredcopter was the first song that Gene and Brendon ever worked together, recorded, and completed in an entire day.
How Brendon came up with Pickles and Nathan - What is the least metal name I can think of?
Toki Wartooth - Tommy or Brendon's name frome Viking name generator. Toki is like a child. Infantilized. (yes Brendon literally said this.) rhythm guitarist, but he's the darkest character.
Skwisgaar's had so much sex he doesn't like sexual things and looks for non-sexual things to get horny from.
Nathan is the guy who can never find the right girl. He's always going for the wrong thing.
Murderface is probably an incel.
Pickles has been around the block. This is his second band. He has a whole history of being in bands.
Part of producing the show is to mind the budget. They charge you by the frame. It would take 4-5 months and done domestically for 15 minute shows. Sometimes they turn it in on Friday, a couple days before the episode airs.
Gene will always be part of this no matter what. Gene is under a lot of pressure. Gene is literally a superhuman. He has to play in time with the animation and looks for the count from his peripheral vision. He takes a month beforehand to bear down on the live show. He will rehearse to the click track.
Gene loves working with Brendon and Ulrich (the producer). He's never seen Brendon stress. He's really reliable.
All the members live in Brendon's head and annoy him in different ways. But he's been close to Nathan a lot this year.
He doesn't know what is his favorite song to play. But he thinks its really fun to play Thunderhorse.
Gene's favorite member is Pickles because of his quote, "Couldn't do it, too damn drunk." and definitely not just because he's the drummer.
Gene's favorite song to play: The Gears, Dethsupport because they're challenging.
Gene and Brendon talk about the fact that Laser Cannon Deth Sentence was so hard to record they decided to never play it live but now Gene says he wants to try.
Questions and answers about the movie under the cut in case you don't want spoilers.
Brendon wanted to up the ante when making Army of the Doomstar. This is the conclusion of the Metalocalypse story, the one that began in the first episode.
The movie is mainly about the ego. It's a dipshit messiah story. Comedy that turns into an action movie. Go from the corporate world of Dethklok to the religious world of music.
This is the end of that story. It's about the search of the song of salvation.
On why Brendon decided to end Metalocalypse:
It's really important to end a story and not let it linger forever. Finishing a project is really important. A project that goes on forever diminishes the story.
Is there a possibility that Dethklok will do something beyond this? There is. I don't know. I think that Dethklok will live forever. This is the end of the Metalocalypse story.
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lvxybby · 1 year ago
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Little Witch part 1:pinky power
Kai Anderson X Witch reader!
(AN: this idea has been in my mind since I've started writing. I really hope you like it!)
WARNING: THIS CONTAINS CUSSING AND MENTIONS OF SEX (no actual sex until different parts) Lmk if I missed anything😛❤
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The blue haired man sat across from you, his pinky wrapped around yours.
He began asking you questions.
"What scares you the most?" He asked.
"The thought of losing you." You answered honestly to your boyfriend.
"Hm." He hummed.
"Do you love me?" He asked.
"Of course." You replied. His brown eyes bore into yours. His plain expression sending chills down your spine
"Do you believe in me?" He asked.
"Yes. I do. I'll support you no matter what" you answered confidently.
He finally asked the last question.
"Will you be the mother of our Messiah?"
You froze.
You and Kai have had sex multiple times but, a Messiah?
"I... I don't think I'm ready for that yet.." You answered, now breaking eye contact.
"Hm..." He let go of your pinky and stood up.
He made his way in front of you and crouched down.
"Why not"
"I... Don't know I wanna wait a bit longer" you said, placing a hand on his shoulder.
His hands moved to your thighs.
"C'mon.. With your powers and my smartness... We can do this baby.." He said as his hands moved up and down.
"Kai, please I'm not ready. I still don't know how to fully control anything. And trying to teach a kid things I don't know... It's hard" you said cupping his cheek.
"Can we please just wait? " you asked.
He sighed.
"... 'Kay" he mumbled.
"Kai... Please don't be like that. I want this as much as you do but-"
"You clearly don't." He said getting up
"Kai... Please stop." You said sternly.
"Your so fucking selfish." He said, making his way up the stairs.
"Kai!" You shouted.
You stood up and were about to make your way up the stairs when you realized it was probably best to leave him be.
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(Sorry it's short! There will be more parts!)
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