#not tagging them bc pls don’t harass the person but like. can we not. this is what I was trying to avoid and this breached containment

[controversial-blorbo-bracket]

See, this is why we can’t have nice things

Controversial Character Tournament Round 1: Castiel from Supernatural

[cowboylikeyouu]

ok genuine question to my mutuals & everyone else: do you care if people ship/write/draw "problematic" ships?? like pedophilia, incest, etc. bc i fucking don’t and i keep having these arguments with people on tiktok who throw around the word "proshipper🫵🏻" without actually knowing what it means, and it annoys me so fucking much.

i literally couldn’t care less if you write a starker, snarry, wincest or whatever fic. do i like it?? no. would i read it?? FUCK no. do i think you’re a horrible person who deserves to be shit on by hundreds of people??? also no bc SURPRISE i don‘t judge a person’s entire character and morals by the fact that they write a story about two FICTIONAL CHARACTERS JFC. i also have this really cool ability called ✨blocking people/tags✨ crazy right? like, the existence of illegal ships doesn’t affect my life in any way, it literally hurts my brain when i try to understand why people care so much.

a few days ago someone on tiktok told me that these ships DO affect people‘s lives, bc some people had bad experiences with these topics (age gap relationships etc etc) and like yeah, i fully understand why you wouldn’t wanna engage with this kind of content if you made these kind of experiences but like?? if we‘re going there almost everything would have to be seen as problematic as well. all the violence in fics, the fact that everyone‘s shipping literal criminals, rape/non-con in fics, suicide mentions in fics, EDs in fics, literally any kind of mental health problems in fics for that matter. EVERYTHING will be triggering for some people, but that’s why we should TAG triggering stuff. this is what we have tags for, so that you can filter it out. it’s not that hard.

it just annoys me how everyone on tiktok is like "fandom culture is DYING, everybody just complains about ships these days" and in the next sentence they will say something along the lines of "but you CANT ship illegal ships" like babe. you‘re part of the problem i fear.

this turned into me rambling way too much way too fast i’m sorry. long story short is: if u think it’s okay to harass people over FICTIONAL fiction when you can just.. ignore & block them, pls unfollow me lol.

i‘m also just now realizing that i worded this like a tiktok comment to someone who has no clue about fandom culture, when this is literally tumblr where i could’ve just said "fuck off if you’re an anti" and 90% would’ve understood lol

i should delete tiktok

[ohgodimafraud]

snzfet discourse/setting boundaries

This has been bothering me for such a long time, but I haven’t had the time to sit down and write it out, so if you’re not interested in snzfet discourse pls move on. That’s also the theme of this post.

Last month (I think?) I saw a thread about hot takes being taken down by a few people who were saying it’s ruining their safe space. The replies on the thread were like “hot take I like mess.” “Hot take I hate mess.” “Hot take, I hate baby talk in fics.” “Hot take I like stifles or hate them.” “HOT TAKE I LIKE THE CHOO BETTER TTHAN THE AHHH” 

It was people literally expressing their opinions and personal preferences. And people became angry and personally offended.

We are all adults here. If you have problems setting boundaries for yourselves, that is a YOU problem. You don’t get to harass others into taking down a harmless post about general preferences and possibly unpopular opinions. Two people saying they don’t prefer a long buildup or some shit when 60+ other ppl like it should not cause extreme drama. I don’t know who these people think they are like “I feel upset by a topic bc of my own personal issues so YOU and EVERYONE ELSE are the problem.” 

It’s one thing to say hey can we please tag emet in this community since it’s a big trigger for many ppl. That’s so reasonable. Can we tag mental health stuff. Can we tag the panorama discussion. What’s not okay is to say, hey can you not say your personal opinion on Ah Choo bc it makes me feel sad :/ That’s called like scroll past.

I think people don’t understand what setting boundaries is. It’s not telling people what to post. It’s saying to yourself, this upsets me and I will scroll past. I will mute these tags. Maybe I will block this blog for a week. It is your responsibility as a fully grown adult to do this, and if you can’t, then probably you should seek help. i’m in therapy it does gr8 things. I literally hear family members talking about the most queerphobic things constantly and have to set my boundaries by leaving the space or putting in headphones. I don’t want to hear that someone saying i like cough sneezes makes you feel icky inside and the person who said they like it is EVIL

This is tumblr. Everyone is entitled to having their own blog with their own posts, thoughts, stories, and opinions.This is not the sneeze fetish forum. (Also even the sneeze fetish forum had a snake pit for venting and objectively I have never seen anything like that happen on snzblr.) If you want a moderated space, go to the forum. I was a mod for like 5+ years, and there has always been some sort of preference topic, likes/dislikes, turn ons/off topic on the forum. This is nothing new. I swear to god my brain cells were killing themselves reading the discourse around such a mundane topic. Literally go touch grass.

You make your own safe space by following people you like, by contributing positively to the community, by blocking content you don’t like. You make this space unsafe for others when you dogpile them into deleting their content.

[janiedean]

I feel bad for all the nice J*nsa shippers who like their ship for whatever reasons (tropes, pretty art, aesthetic appeal, whatever) and know it's not canon but get associated with the misogynistic Dany hating crowd who act like Jon being attracted to Ygritte is J*nsa foreshadowing because red hair (I guess Jon should fuck Edmure Tully too? Omg give me Dark!Jon getting revenge on Catelyn by seducing her brother!) Tell me something. I'm new to the fandom but was J*nsa popular before the show? And I've heard something about the OG J*nsa shippers being alienated by the new shippers who insisted it had to be canon and acted like the series is called, "A song of J*nsa #danysux." I don't find that hard to believe because I know people who are now ashamed of calling themselves J*nsa shippers. Like, at this point, it's not only rival shippers who hate it. Even Gendrya/Braime/Jon stans/etc have started disliking that ship. You know your fandom is a problem when people who have nothing to do with Jnsa have a problem with it.

me: reads this ask

me: iwastheregandalf.gif which I can't find now but

okay anon buckle up because I am sadly well-equipped to answer this ask but before I do lemme tell you dark jon seducing edmure to take revenge on cat is LITERALLY THE BEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD but *clears throat* ALL RIGHT THEN.

disclaimer: as anon says I have no issue with like the shippers mentioned by anon in the beginning and ngl I agree, I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO FUCKING STAKES in the j*nsa vs j*nerys war and the only het jon ship I gaf about is jon/ygritte and we all know where that ended up I just... have been here since 2011/adwd was over and all the fic around was just for the books under secret lj communities and asoiaf qualified for yuletide and I have... seen... things.... and I actually have like uh had... beef... with some people in there and I know things bc ppl who hated those others told me stuff so anyway *sigh* buckle up anon I'mma tell you the story of jon shipwars through the years

in order, the old gods help me here, under the cut bc this is long as fuck

when I got into fandom also given what numbers were on ao3 one ship was popular and it was sansan. no like sansan was lit. the only asoiaf ship on ao3 with more than 200 fics. jb had twenty when i checked first. jc had like around 100-ish because of the show but sansan dwarfed anything. I posted the first jon/ygritte fic on the ao3 tag and the fourth throbb fic and like the others were all reposts from lj kinkmemes. nothing was popular before the show except for sansan when it comes to huge numbers bc grrm doesn't like fic and it was all hush hush until the show made it impossible to control and that ship was the one with a huge enough fanbase it actually had numbers, so like... j*nsa wasn't popular in the way nothing else was popular until it got screentime on the show

now, that stated, j*nsa had a... fair amount of fic for a rareship which was mostly book-based and from og shippers that were there from before the show and liked it for what it was but literally none of them thought it was gonna be canon, like it wasn't huge or anything but it had a small but dedicated fanbase who did their own thing and thought it was fun/liked the idea but that was it

that fandom had their own niche of hcs that they cultivated and shit except that like... at the end of S5/beginning of S6 there was a surge in shipping for... well obvious reasons bc it was obv sansa was getting to the wall and that would have been all nice and good but a) it was the time puritanical shipping was starting to take root and the 'shipping sansa with sandor or tyrion is hella problematic' rhetoric had started to circle coming from sans*ery shippers mostly but I'mma not open that fucking can of worms here, b) while the ending of S5 had more of a theon/sansa spike, the j*nsa stuff started getting big

now here we have to mention my villain origin story ie: j*nsa fandom had this one stan whose name I won't make because honestly it's been years and if she's still around I don't want her to remember I exist who was a bnf, wrote for... the website that created the whole larry/carol thing etc who was really fixed on this thing that j*nsa was actually canon and started writing extremely popular meta about it. now you're gonna ask how do you know, I know because this person once wrote a meta named 'why robb stark is a dick' and I told her that it was really fucking bad meta and she took it so badly she kept on trash talking me on her blog/her podcast (I was apparently the insane robb stark fangirl l m a o good lord) and like that was when some sane ppl who argued with her informed me in pvt that she was basically harping on the CANON thing when they'd have been okay with like... it being crackshipping and that she was basically cultivating a hoarde of followers who were harping on them/the ogs and basically ostracizing them;

I would like to add that this person - before her tumblr got 'accidentally deleted' and remade it therefore deleted most receipts for, er, her so-called meta which included stuff like ned and cat raised sansa as a sexual object and only wanted to sell her like cattle - had at some point started a round robin fic thing where... some of the characters mocked openly said stuff that some of the og fans had said specifically targeting them and people in that side basically went harassing anyone who didn't agree with that specific notion

now never mind that this person basically coined an entire term to describe ppl who liked white guys and excused all their wrongdoings out of my conversation re robb basically lying about everything I said as if I didn't have the receipts and tried to sell shirts with it and it didn't work and like then she got kicked out of her own website because she was telling her commenters disagreeing pretty shitty insults (considering I was called psychotic for disagreeing with her that time I don't doubt it) I think at some point she stepped back from fandom bc idk wtf she's up to these days and I don't want to, but basically at that point the dam was broken and there was a bunch of puritanical shippers harping on anyone who didn't agree with j*nsa is canon endgame stuff

this also includes an incident when those ppl were like... passing themselves as throbb shippers and ended up trying to tell t*hramsay shippers off the theon tag based on moral reasons and I ended up arguing with all of them (and they were all from that crowd) which in turn landed me in contact with other og j*nsa shippers who were like detached from that fandom bc those same people harassed them away as well ssooooo fun

anyway when S6 happened everyone was high on it and whatnot but I wasn't gonna begrudge them that I mean... you shipped it for years, canon is delivering you, good for you, but then j*nerys happened

god j*nerys happened

aaand basically...... I mean personally I was there like are y'all seriously arguing about the best incest jon ship out there but like basically the j*nsa endgame side was like AH JON IS PLAYING DANY SEE IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, the j*nerys obv got defensive af and both sides were sort of alternatively shitting on jon/ygritte anyway and depicting any other romantic rship jon could have as abusive™ and during S8 it just got worse and like I tried to stay out of it but basically from what I'm seeing now idk how the j*neryses are doing but on the j*nsa one it's ah jon's gonna play dany anyway and she's going to go insane like in the show so SHOW TRUTHING EVERY OTHER WAY and like again denying that sandor exists or that tyrion exists and like I barely touch my corner (sansan) but I ended up arguing with j*nsa/th*nsa people on twitter who were antis and is2g it was white-hair inducing and I know for sure the sansa/tyrion shippers were harassed to hell and back throughout so FUN

and even if the show didn't go there now since everyone there banked on the jnsa endgame thing and admitting you're wrong is like... not a thing, they still haven't let go of it and attach to that ship any shred of evidence which honestly is grasping at straws half of the time (like... the sansa/alysanne parallels like guys please no) and which is why every other ship is starting to get fed up, attaching canon proof of stuff from other ships onto theirs see that batb argument and jb is platonic but jonsa is not nvm taking all the sansan stuff and throwing it on j*nsa but then denying that sansan has canon evidence (like guys I had to read sansa touching his shoulder when saying gregor wasn't a true knight wasn't meaningful and we were seeing things please) and blah blah blah

this also goes hand in hand with the fixation on like... villanizing dany at all costs and like is2g I have zero investment in dany or her storyline I don't even remember it and I don't particularly care abt her either way and sure af I'm not for j*nerys endgame but like.... some stuff I read is completely excessive esp when fixing on how she's a completely mad tyrant who's gonna have to be put down and like... guys no

(also there's some srs stannis hate in that corner which I honestly don't get why they even care abt stannis but I had to read stuff like ppl don't recognize that dany and stannis are the real villains in this saga and like........ idek)

I think most of the og shippers are gone or don't ship it openly bc they don't want to be attached to the drama but like I also think they're pissing off everyone else bc like... I mean a bunch of them also were down with sansa being paired with other ppl as long as it meant a good ending for her except those ppl were... like everyone but the ppl she has actual contact with in canon which meant that at some point sansa/gendry was a thing and like.... you can imagine why arya/gendry shippers & arya stans were fed up, and there's also this tendency to behave like sansa is the center of the entire saga which like these books is named a song of jon snow basically can we pls make peace with it and personally I've had it with both j*nsa and j*nerys people since they started with that dumbass JON/YGRITTE WAS AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP rhetoric but I'm also fed up with the total ignoring that sandor exists/depicting us as delusional and honestly I also was by proxy fed up from the harassing of the sansa/tyrion shippers soooooooooooo

there were also instances of 'well theon is an acceptable choice other than jon bc he can't threaten her' which... i mean we all know what that meant and I'm not even commenting it bc it's one AM and I have no force to but I don't have to explain why it's not a progressive take now do I

there were also metas about how cousin incest being legal in half of the world means that jondany is a worse incest and j*nsa doesn't count as such and I was basically there like guys please just fucking own up to it but honestly I chose to forgot where I read that and I couldn't find the link if I tried

tldr: no one wants to admit that it's not gonna be endgame which considering the amount of fic they have on ao3 is imvho useless bc they have more content than like.. anything I ship that's not jb or that's actually like canon *cries in joncon/rhaegar but I mean renly/loras is canon and has less fic than them* so idk what's the problem with enjoying that instead of insisting it's gonna be canon when not even the show validated it while show truthing anyway when the only show truthing that can be truthed is the small council made of minorities and possibly jon eventually fucking off with the wildlings but not like that but like most people who thought it wasn't gonna be endgame had left/were made to leave by the time S7 rolled by and at this point since wow isn't out yet everyone is fandom-grasping at straws to find stuff to discourse on and we're here beating dead horses *shrug*

so that's... how it is but I would again like to point out that I don't judge ppl on their shipping, I don't particularly care about this entire feud bc I only ship jon with ppl he's not related to in whichever way and I try to stay out of this mess bc I don't really care to argue with ppl who have already decided to bend canon to whatever they want and will have to realize that it's not what grrm wrote at some point but like I have a very good memory and the above rant is as objective as possible also bc again I don't literally have a stake in that race I just think romantic/endgame j*nsa is not a thing and that ppl should stay in their lane and not harping on other ppl who ship whatever in general but especially when their ship is the most popular thing in fandom in the first place /two cents

[sukunas-play-thing]

Hi ! I saw your posts on my dashboard and I know we don’t interact that much but...

I just wanted to check up on you 😔 pls don’t let their words get to you ☹️ No one should say that to another person and I mean NO ONE TF IDC WHO U ARE BUT WHAT’S WRONG WITH U 😡

They should have known better. I mean you placed all the tags you could place in your blog, how could they just disregard that?

Hope you’re okay bubs! I’ll try to support you in ways that I can 😤👊🏻💢 Stay safe oki? ❣️😷

🍃

Babe this is really sweet you made my heart soar and I agree 100% with what you said thank you sm ily 💞💞💞💞💞💞💞.

Tbh for more context on what happened, I made a comment on a blog post under the choso tag (bc brainrot) and someone was complaining about his animated look. And I expressed how I liked it. Next thing I know I'm Being called a freak and to get off their blog. Then their mutual started harassing me and telling me to [REDACTED]. Made it seem like I was talking to an actual minor hence my constant rb responses etc and it turned out it was about my tendou thirst post I made and how me n a mutual was discussing it. Ig it's under his tag regardless of the fact I put the tags in as thirst and NSFW etc. That's what they attacked me over liiiiiiike if ya had seen that post before. Then. Why didn't you as a minor(s) block me afterwards??? Like the whole thing could've been avoided had ya kiddie asses blocked me her and the proper tags.??? Idk it was honestly so damn stupid. And I'm sorry if any of those posts triggered you or anyone else I shouldn't have responded to them period.

But I thought I was interacting with someone I shouldn't have with the way they came at me and I needed their @ so I could block them. But alas. It was about a fictional character they claiemd was 16 . But actually wasn't 16 anyways. It was a whole ass mess and I apologize that your dash was filled with that 😢😓 but you coming and checking on me .. thank you I really freaking appreciate you and anyone that came to support me. I may not be much of a content creator but it's genuinely amazing and makes me feel welcome being supported. It means so much to me bby you have no idea.

Btw, my friend roasted that minor so bad they are posting completely different content now. Which was absolutely hilarious.

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[dottie-wan-kenobi]

dc fandom followers pls read

I feel like I should be a lil more clear about this bc I’m not sure where I stand with some of you who are mutuals/followers, and I know I got a ton of new people in the past few days.

I am not a person who wants to police people's fandom experience, or who they ship. If some wants to ship the batkids together, as long as they tag it so I can blacklist, I don’t care. I’m more uncomfortable with Bruce/batkid ships just personally, and I do not interact with people who ship those ships. People will have different hard limits when it comes to shipping and who to interact with, and that's fine.

Bullying someone for it though, especially to the point of getting them to leave the site, is EXTREMELY fucked up. I think supporting that bullying, even if you didn’t do it, is fucked up. It’s not cute, it’s not a victory, it’s cruel.

I know a lot of you have BYFs that say “don’t interact if you ship”, and I don’t so I’ve been assuming it’s fine. If it’s not, let me know and I will unfollow you! I also know some of you have BYFs that say “don’t interact if you support shipping”, and while I don’t actually support it, I also don’t really care what other people do. If you’re okay with that, then great, I’m happy we can continue on. If you’re not, that’s fine ig, I’ll unfollow or you can unfollow or whatever you want. 

I hate to lose followers over this but I want my experience with fandom to be healthy and being so unsure about this has been stressing me out a lot. I’m trying to curate my experience here and I don’t wanna follow people who bully, harass and gatekeep, or condone this kind of behavior.

If you want to reblog this, go ahead, but please don’t try and start a fight. My mind won’t be changed and I’d rather you just block me.