#not stupid subfandom drama

[cnihachu]

i need everyone to stop weaponizing abuse victims to make your specific subgroup of content creators look better it’s so fucking distasteful

[totaldramafan-lauri]

A little self-discovery

Heyyyyyyy! It’s....b-been a bit! Truthfully, I....I haven’t been completely OK this week. I’ve been dealing with some stuff, but....I’ve been though worse at the same time, so it’s not a super big deal. But.....I wanted to talk about this, cuz I.....kiiiiinda alluded to it before....? Dunno if anyone saw it, tho, but..y’know.......

I-I still wanted to talk about it....

This is something that no one but me will care about, but....s-screw it, I'm already here, and this might be something I'll mention again in the future, so....here goes....

So....this has to do with....family history and stuff, so if that doesn’t interest you, keep scrolling, nothing to see here.....XD

So, I’ve had to do some CRAZY stuff in order to get over post-Eurovision depression this year. I still dunno why it got SO bad this time, cuz it’s usually not, but....yeah. I was doing pretty much nothing but rewatching Eurovision videos for weeks last month. On top of that, my favorite idol/comfort person has been on hiatus for health reasons, and his fanbase is collectively miserable and missing him horribly, which brought down my mood really badly, making it harder to move on from Eurovision which makes me happy. But....I FINALLY did something that got me over it for the most part.

And that’s that....I, uh....I revisited an old special interest of mine. I’m not sure if I’m getting back into it necessarily, but I’ve been looking at old things and having a nostalgia trip. I was last into this in early 2013 (it was one of the last special interests I was into before Total Drama and me getting this blog), so it’s been a while. And....yes, it does have ties to Eurovision for me. It's how I first discovered Eurovision, which....is a really weird story. KeepinmindI’mAmericansoIHADtolearnthroughaweirdway*cough*

Now, I’m not gonna say what this is, cuz it’s not SUPER important to this topic. It’s just the catalyst for it. This is its own can of worms. And honestly, altho I look back on this thing very well (and I consider it one of the best fandoms I’ve ever been in), I’m also embarrassed by it in the present day. This isn’t something I’d really recommend to people. I’m happy it exists, but I’m worried if it’s.....aged well enough to point new fans toward it, is what I’m saying.

All I’ll say for now is that....it has to do with world history, and leave it at that.

(If anyone is interested in me talking about this, and don’t mind me potentially talking about weird stuff, I AM more than happy to explain. There’s a LOTTA stuff I can talk about, seriously. XD I had a lotta great experiences in that fandom, and could basically talk about it all day if I could. It was one of those fandoms that I had multiple phases of. It basically ruled my life for many years, and it helped me learn certain things about myself that are....still getting mileage today.....and again, it’s the reason I got into Eurovision, which I STILL love today, so....NEED I SAY MORE? It’s very close to my heart. I just don’t wanna talk about it RIGHT NOW cuz it’d lead to a huge tangent.)

Point is.....I’m revisting it. I’m looking at old stuff I saved, and even stuff related to it that I made myself. It feels like I’m 18-21 again......and, through that....I remembered that.....there was something I’d started to do, that I’d stopped when I moved on.

I was.....learning Croatian. In 2013....

And I stopped....

I had a whole list of words I’d learned even, and I- I forgot all about, it-

So, uh...I know that sounded REALLY REALLY RANDOM, so- uh-

The same time I was in this fandom, I was part of a subfandom for this group of OCs I really liked, and- g-gosh, this is going all over the place, pffffff- b-but, these OCs, had to do with the history of Yugoslavia and the countries it became and- I sound so stupid right now- P-point is, it was a really weird coincidence, that this happened, not that long after I learned that I’m one-quarter Croatian!

So......family-related rambling time:

So, I knew that my dad’s side of the family was Greek. And that my paternal great-grandparents (none of which I got to meet) were immigrants. But....I didn’t know everything for the longest time. I knew I was Greek, cuz fun fact my last name is VERY Greek, and we celebrate Greek Easter instead of regular Easter (I’m PRETTY SURE I’ve mentioned this on my blog before?). We also follow a few other Greek traditions, and I was taught a few words. And indeed, SOMEWHERE in my grandparents’ house, we still have my grandpa’s parents’ Ellis Island papers when they came to America from Greece. My grandpa is very much Greek.

But.....what about my grandma? Through my childhood, I thought she was also Greek, she’s always just fit in with the traditions and stuff.....I knew that I was told her maiden name when I was young, but I forgot it....and no, turns out she isn’t Greek. Turns out, as I learned randomly as a teenager....she’s actually Yugoslav. But wait, that country doesn’t exist anymore! It DID exist when her parents left it, but....not anymore. I was briefly curious about what she’d identify as in the modern day, but never asked and promptly forgot for a few years cuz it wasn’t a big deal.

BUT, in 2012-2013, somewhere around that time, in a random conversation with my grandpa and uncle, things finally came together. She was playfully poking fun at Greeks, and my grandpa made a joke about Croatians in response.

And it came together, exactly where she was from, and I could say what every part of me was without using outdated words. I was like....”that’s neat” at first, but I didn’t really dwell on it for a while.

But THEN, this fandom happened again! And it got me interested in world history, and I hyperfixated on this group of popular OCs from it, and.....i-it led me to blogs, and art, all dealing with.....all this history, through the lens of characters I liked, and I realized that I was kinda.....learning about a p-part of myself? And through it, I got....curious about it.....? It seemed so interesting to me all of a sudden.....?

I’m....one-quarter Croatian. Yet, I was raised as if I was half Greek. I....didn’t KNOW anything about Croatia or Yugoslavia. My grandma never taught us anything about her family and how they lived. She just took on the role of my Greek grandma with my Greek grandpa and she was just fine with that. And I am too, don’t get me wrong, cuz I love my Greek side, but.....I’ve ALWAYS known and have been in touch with my Greek side. And, for once, I was like...VERY curious all of a sudden, sparked by fandom of all things, to discover my Croatian side.

Through this RP account I used to follow (RIP Formspring), I got interested in the language. I taught myself the alphabet and a few phrases. I also watched a YouTube documentary on the history Yugoslavia once (dunno if it’s still up) and hooooly crap Croats are badass (there’s no other word to describe that, pfffff). That country has been through a LOT and WON. The fact that I probably have distant relatives over there that fought through all that for their independence REALLY interested me. Ashamed as I was to admit it, I got really into learning about Croatian history, all thanks to this really weird coincidence of discovering I’m part Croatian and then almost immediately after, discovering a Croatian character I liked that talked about his history a lot. All the while, jumping between this and a historical comedy anime. It was probably one of my weirdest summers interest-wise. One day, I’d be looking up art of ships I like, and the next, I’d be learning a new thing about Croatia. A fun fact, or a not-so-fun fact, or a new word or phrase, or something completely random from this blog I followed, pffff....

I was super into learning about this seemingly-random country that I was slightly embarrassed about it, and didn’t really talk a lot about it to others. It would’ve been easy to say “my grandma’s from there”, but I dunno, part of me didn’t feel like that was a good enough excuse to admit I’d watched war documentaries. Guess I felt....guilty, so I hid it.

And then.....I stopped.

I got into new interests. It happens. I couldn’t stay fixated forever. The fact that it was a short Kirby’s Return To Dreamland phase, and then Total Drama of all things happening, that led me away is kinda funny to think about......but, eh, with how problematic my old fandom....could PROBABLY be viewed as, I guess I’m happy I avoided having a Tumblr while I was an active fan? Again, it was probably the best fandom I’d ever been in, but.....y’know, with time, things could’ve gotten uglier if I was actively gushing over it, so it kinda does feel like I dodged a bullet. I could easily see myself pissing off a hatedom.

But.....here I am again. I came back. Not to the fandom as a whole, but just feeling nostalgic and looking back at old stuff. And lo and behold, I remembered my old project eventually. I kinda felt bad that I stopped for dumb reasons, but then again, I started for dumb reasons too......

I still remember the alphabet, and a few words. Part of me still wants to learn how to speak in...even small sentences at one point. Not enough to wanna take lessons, but...step-by-step by myself. It’s a “what if” situation. Maybe I never will be able to speak it, but one can dream.

So....yup, that’s what I’ve been up to this past month or so. I’m not watching war documentaries this time, thank god (seriously, 21-year-old me went to the darkest places first, huh >__> Dang history fixation), but I’ve been looking up videos on several locations in Croatia, for one. Gorgeous place. If I could, I’d try to go there, but social anxiety makes it REALLY HARD to bring it up to my family, especially when I’ve NEVER brought it up before. But even in videos, I am immersed when I look at it. It’s my dream vacation (well, one of them). Split is one of the prettiest places I’ve seen in my life. Which, again, I did NOT expect. I’ve heard multiple people talk about the prettiest countries in the world, but did anyone mention Croatia? Nooooo! But it’s a very touristy country for Europe, it’s just that Americans don’t talk about it. Hmph! >__> Not only that, but.....Croatian music. SO much music. SO MUCH. I’m mainly using music as a way to learn new words, and....I got hooked. It’s REALLY WEIRD to say that the music I’ve been listening to has been one-third Eurovision, one-third K-pop, and one-third random Croatian songs from playlists I found on YouTube.

It’s been....a LOTTA Eurodance, actually. I didn’t search for any specific genre of music, I just looked up “hrvatske pjesme”, found a playlist, and it was mostly Eurodance, which I did NOT expect! From the kinda songs Croatia sent to Eurovision, I didn’t really associate them with dance music, but....turns out, they’re REALLY GOOD at dance music? Who would’a guessed.....Seriously, I’m tempted to queue up some of the best songs I’ve been listening to to prove this. I might still do that....

(This doesn’t mean I’m gonna be developing a bias when it comes to Eurovision, tho. I’m still unbiased at heart =P I’ll be happy to have a good song, but if it’s mid, I’ll still say it’s mid. If anything, I might be HARSHER since I know how good their music can be now. And I’m not gonna hold back if 2022 happens again, Hrvatska. Oprostite. =P)

(D-don’t get me wrong, I’m not MAD that they don’t send the stuff I’ve been listening to to Eurovision, cuz.....well, it’s junk food. It’s not for everyone, especially here in the 2020s. XD Going the Balkan route makes more sense. Even this year, when they were taking the piss...still, that song was clever and had a message, which is more substance than Eurodance has, pfffff)

To think that this was all sparked by a fandom....that THAT’S what it took for me to fixate on learning this part of myself. But it’s true. It’s....e-embarrassing, yes. And it really only is one quarter of myself. I really could’ve went the rest of my life without doing any of this. But....my brain works in weird ways. And my interests can be super unpredictable. That’s a fandom that, again, I might talk about another time, but.....it really is super important to me for multiple reasons, and this is one of them - leading me to learning about my grandma’s country and its culture and history.

Why am I sharing all this? Cuz.....for one, I might be following this up with sharing Croatian songs on here in the future, or referencing E.T (Electro Team) or Colonia next Eurovision season, or even something else might pop up. It might seem super random, cuz, again, I’m American.....so I wanna explain where it came from. And also, cuz this started before I joined Tumblr, I...never got to talk about this weird interest of mine before. So...it feels good to finally get it out.

Again, it’s only a quarter of myself, but it’s something that makes me unique, and I’m still happy discovering it.

[zykamiliah]

can you people stop? @sasukechannel , @captnjacksparrow and the anon(s) who keep stirring the pot because apparently there's nothing better to do with your time that make petty drama in the same subfandom about a matter of opinions. You two are different persons from different backgrounds so of course your views on Sasuke's character and mental state are going to be different. One's reading of a character is not universal. Both of you are right on your own ways. That doesn't mean one opinion is superior to the other. We don't have to think the same about this topic or others even if we are in the same fandom. Isn't it enough that we have to deal with SS and NH's stupidity? Must we fight between ourselves too? Why? Why not simply agree to disagree, respect each other's opinion and move on? Or maybe take a page from Naruto's book: try to understand each other's point of view?

It's so disheartening to go into the sns/narusasu/sn tags and find this kind of posts. Obviously you can post whatever you want, but from experience this stuff must be just needlessly souring and upsetting for the both of you.

Have a good Sunday.

[mewatchingstuff]

The SW fandom as a whole has already been embarrassing for the last 30+ years but lately some folks are trying to reach a new level of clownery.

John Boyega, Kelly Marie Tran, Adam Driver, and Daisy Ridley don't care about any of you or the fact that you apparently spend your life making up arguments and drama to involve them in your weird little minds.

John Boyega isn't "sending" anyone to hate on Reylos. He's not some damn puppeteer who can control the masses through his tweets and Instagram posts. What he is tho is a young, black man trying to navigate a career in Hollywood while constantly having to deal with racism & vitriolic behavior from the so-called fans of the first big franchise he's been a part of. What both he and KMT have gone through with the SW is real world shit. Not stupid ship drama from Gen Z'ers who don't understand the concept of chill the fuck out.

Honestly quite a few of y'all Reylo stans have been doing a great job of making ppl hate you without the help of anyone in the cast. I feel bad for the Reylos who mind their business, love the franchise, and stay out of trouble. Y'all crazy ones are making the whole subfandom look extremely bad.

There is nothing. NOTHING about Reylo or any other ship in this franchise that can justify the CONSTANT vilification of John Boyega for:

A. Not liking a ship

B. Exposing the PUBLIC messages of harassment towards him because of A.

It's even gotten to the point where some ppl are using JB's misinterpreted words about dealing with toxic fans as an attack on KMT and outright saying he doesn't like/support KMT enough. That's really a fucking low blow to use the few PoC actors in this franchise against each other when it comes to dealing with racism and harassment.

That says more about your lack of integrity instead of theirs.

[shannaro-kamo]

sekibeing

given all the recent drama over sekibeing’s GIF, i thought it would be a good idea to compile screenshots of people either asking seki to draw things, usually politely, or being rude. i’m tired of tumblr being polluted with fandom bashing and he-said-she-said over this, so here are some screenshots to hopefully put an end to the stupid drama. 

stop antagonizing entire subfandoms just because either a) you don’t like a particular ship, or b) a few bad apples were shitty. we all need to be better about this, it costs $0 to not be this way.

people simply asking for drawings:

To people trying to guilt fans, especially SS fans, who simply ask for art: stop. These fans aren’t doing anything wrong. Neither are the people asking for SNS art, Yamanaka art, BoruSara art, NejiTen art, and so on. If Seki was drawing SS more than NH, the NH fandom would be “begging” him for art too. Hell, there are NH fans who ask for more even after Seki’s given them so much already, see below.

people being rude:

translation: keep doing what we want, and that includes not giving SS any representation because we’re threatened and childish xoxo love your biggest fans, we totally respect you and aren’t just selfish sycophant brats lol

People, I’m pretty sure Seki drew an SS doujinshi. It was either that or just a beautiful fanart of their travels. Not to mention a bunch of other SS / SSS family art, just check his Twitter. Yes, he favors NH, but he clearly also enjoys drawing SS / SSS. He wouldn’t have drawn that beautiful travel art and other illustrations if he didn’t.

Anyway, back to people being rude. 

That pretty much sums up the worst Seki has gotten on Twitter, I went through his entire photo log. There are rude people in general from all parts of the Naruto fandom. We all need to be better. It’s 2018 people lmao

That said, it’s pretty hilarious people actually think that “butthurt SS fans” caused Seki to take down the GIF. He’s been dealing with a mild amount of negativity for as long as he’s been posting fanart, and it has never caused him to remove anything ever. If fandom reaction had anything to do with the GIF being removed, it was probably related to slut-shaming (I heard that an SNS fan called Hinata a whore) and general discomfort with the NSFW content. 

Him posting NSFW fanart is different from the anime or Kishi releasing NSFW content because, well, it’s fanart. It’s unofficial, but he is still closely tied to and representative of the franchise. The GIF was a lot more raunchy than anything he’d previously done.