#not on ps4 dbd i tell you that

[ziracona]

omg i turned my messages on ps4 off cause dbd players are SALTY but one of the very last convos i had with a random dbd player were about how one time they pissed someone else off so much in dbd that the person ended up doxxing them and getting their address and stuff and iirc the police might have been involved? but luckily the situation was calmly deescalated and nothing bad happened but like... good lord asldkjfjlkadf.

Bro you made the only good choice. 😂 I should really do that too. I try to leave it on so I can like, get “hey I have a key” messages from teammates, or thank yous and be nice to my team and stuff, but is it worth it? Man, I try to never message people or message back if people are dicks, just block them, but it gets so irritating when people just choose to be dicks over and over, & dbd is very high in toxicity unfortunately. : / I have a hard time not wanting to do something if the situation is unfair or needlessly mean and shitty just for fun, esp if I’m like, trying to introduce the game to a friend? I regretabbly have made poor decisions a few times & messaged people at like sleep deprived 4am, & it needs to be a never again TuT.

But uh also that’s insane omg. The lengths???? Lord. That’s kinda terrifying. Good lord. People really get weird about games don’t they? Unreal. Why? Why on earth would you possibly be so mad about a game of dbd as to dox someone, or hunt down their irl address? Why are people like this. Glad at least it turned out ok but woof.

[helly-watermelonsmellinfellon]

So a Legion sent me this long ass rant about how I ‘take DbD too seriously’ and that I’m a ‘tryhard’. Why? Cuz she tunneled me the moment I was unHooked, and got a hit in, but Borrowed Time saved my ass. I proceeded to run her for the remaining 3 Gens, while my screen got progressively darker and bloonstained. I stunned her with several pallets and made her lose her Frenzy twice. Somehow, me deciding to continue the Chase instead of just letting her get a Kill, makes me a ‘cunt’. It seems the majority of PS4 Killers are pansies. ‘EZ noobs’ says the person who didn’t get a single Kill and ended up with only 8K pts.

So I got a message from someone I played a game with. He played the Ace and I remember him because he was wearing a purple shirt so his name was easy to recall. Anyway, he got downed by Leatherface, and then Leatherface turned his chainsaw charge on me. I 360′d the Killer 3 times in a row and wasted his charge! So he tunneled me for the remaining 3 Gens in response! To know that I made that person’s day so much worse because they didn’t land their fancy attack on me makes me so thrilled! XD And the Ace was like ‘broooooooo that 360 tho’.

So I finish the 4th Gen. It’s just me and Claudette left in the match. She comes up to me asking for Heals so I do it, and then she traps me in the corner until the Doctor comes upon us. She starts teabagging and pointing at me and then moves so the Doctor can get to me. Plot Twist! He went after her instead and let me get the Hatch!

Got a teammate who hid in a Locker next to me when I got downed by Leatherface. And she stayed in there, letting me go through both Hook stages even though she was right next to me and could have finished the last Gen which was 95% finished, and then saved me. Nea was being Chased on the other side of the map, so she had time to do it. Sooooo, I let myself die and then PM’d the Killer to tell them where she was. Just basically, “Meg’s been in the shack since B4 I got Hooked.” She got found, downed, and face-camped, as she deserved. Nea got the Hatch! The Killer asked why I ratted her out and I told him the coward spent 2 minutes in the same Locker when she could have done something of use the whole time. All cuz she wanted Hatch.

Michael thought I had Head On and stood outside the Locker for like a minute! It was enough time for the others to finish the last Gen, which Healed me up nice. And you know what... I did have Head On, but he was steering clear of the wrong Locker! So when the endgame was initiated, I used Head On and then ran the eff out!

Legit have 21212 pts.

Salty Legion Mains are my jam. Please salt my food with your tears over the fact that you aren’t good and don’t know how to play as Legion despite them being your fav.

Got a team who were like the best teammates I’ve ever gotten. No comms but we were all telepathic or some shit. Trapper never got to Hook anyone because I had Breakout and a Flashlight, Jake had Sabo and a Toolbox, Yui had Streetwise and a Flashlight, and Meg had Vigil and a Toolbox. We stranded him in ways that he had to go around a long wall to avoid stepping in his own traps if he wanted a shot at getting a Hook. But with 3 ppl willing to take Hits, at least one Flashlight, and Breakout working against you, you’re getting nowhere. We never got him to walk into his own traps but we made him regret putting them where he put them!

Made a Wraith whiff so hard today! He was mad-mad!

Faced an swf team who were effing good! Hooked all of them at least once but they all still got out because they had Unbreakable and Flip Flop and put on Offerings for further distance between Hooks. Gave me some ideas for when I swf too.

Right after that I got a really quick 4K against a group that were the same Rank but obviously not the same skill level.

Bought Barbecue & Chilli because it was in the Shrine and holy shit I think I can consider it a clutch Perk because using it on Spirit makes it so easy to get grabs! You just know which side the Survivor is on when you use Yamaoka’s Haunting.

[perfumette]

I’ve had to block well over 200 people while playing DbD on PS4 and if that doesn’t tell you that not just the game, but that the community also needs some fixing, I don’t know what will

[cabinet-not-found]

so since I’m hooked on DBD a lot, I’m gonna be opening my friend requests

If you got DBD (On PS4) and wanna join me/invite me to SWF and/or KYF matches my psn is AlphaWolf23109

You have to tell me who you are on here via the FR messages we can communicate!

P.s. I don’t have a working Mic, So No VC sadly unless you also have a Discord account :(

[ziracona]

Out of my like 3 years of DbD experience, ive only met one Cannibal, one Ghostface, and no Nightmares or a single Pig main who was a decent player. They’ve all been the most poor sportsmanship, raging, petty people, and like, that can’t be accurate of every single person who mains those four so where the non-toxic ones at? Why there so many? Will I ever be able to tick a “finally one that was either sporting or nice” box for Nightmare or Pig?? Or will I always see only the whiniest and most toxic of fools. ✊😔 Is it a curse? A run of bad roulette luck? The prologue to some intense conspiracy theory I just haven’t come up with yet? I long for answers...

[ziracona]

I know you mentioned that Bill wasn't included in ILM because you didn't know much about his personality. Out of curiosity though, if you had included him in the fic, how would you have integrated his history of being in the middle of a zombie apocalypse that couldn't have happened for the other characters? Or like, what approach would you have gone with?

Oh this is kind of a tough one! I don’t know Bill well, because I haven’t played Left 4 Dead, but that actually wasn’t why he isn’t in the fic. I stopped including survivors after Jane Romero, because DbD updates so much that I hit a point it was either add more characters but know you won’t have time to develop them and give them the character arcs they deserve because you’re nearing the end, or stop adding people, and it’s always better to whole-ass less then half-ass more—especially with characters that are awesome and really deserve some due diligence. While Bill is actually one of the earliest survivors released for DbD (he was...siiixth or something? Like right after Ace? Or Nea?), that’s only for PC. On PS4 and Xbox, he wasn’t added until much later, and I play DbD on PS4. So, for me as a player, Bill wasn’t actually released until after Ash was. When I started writing, I was kind of vaguely aware he existed on PC? But I had 0 personal experience with him, and so I went with my own/console experience when it came to writing.

As for what I’d have done, that’s a dang good question, and I’m not entirely sure— I’d definitely have thought about it longer if I had included him, but I’ll give you what I think I would have done? Obviously, Bill’s not from the world the rest of the survivors are. While almost any of the stories can coexist with minimal changes (NOES 2010, Halloween, Stranger Things, even Ash are more or less fairly easily compatible), zombie apocalypse—couple things I know they’re bound to notice, ya know? Still, I stand by multiverse being both unnecessary and not the best decision for the story I want to tell, so what I think I’d have done is this: (under the cut bc it’s gonna be long af--get ready for some quantum theory lol)

Okay, so the Entity canonically can operate outside of natural time. Meaning it can take survivors from earlier or later, and isn’t on the same space-time fixed relationship the world is. Now, time travel is tricky. Or anything with a complex portrayal of time. But there are three basic setups for time travel potential that actually make sense. They are as follows:

Anything that will happen, has happened (or the Artemis Fowl timetheory). This one is pretty straightforward. Sure, you can travel through time, but the universe you live in right now where you are choosing to go back is the result of the past you caused. The change you’re causing is past-tense already, and the only real agency you have is in causing the circumstances leading up to where you already are. This still allows for some fancy manuvering (for example: want to save a friend’s life? No problem. You can’t remove the motivation to go back, so you in the past still have to believe they die, but so long as you didn’t like, hold their severed head—if it’s a situation like say, you saw them blow up, you can save that person—you just have to make sure your past self still sees them “die” in the explosion and thus chooses, as you did/are, to go back.) This is my personal least favorite theory of space-time, but it’s a solid one.

The second is the The Future is not Set (or the Back to the Future timetheory). This one says time is flexible. You can go back and kill your father before you’re born, and the future will change. How ripple effects happen are varried—for example in strict timeline variations of this theory such as those in Frequency or Back to the Future, if you cause yourself not to be born, time will catch up with you, and while the impact you left on the world remains, you, as you no longer are born, will vanish from existence as the time stream corrects itself. However, more lenient time streams such as the versions in Continuum or Futurama exist as well, where even if your effects on the world prevent you from being born, the version of you currently alive continues to exist as an anomaly. This is by far, in my opinion, the most enjoyable solid timetheory.

And last (unless you count Time Travel is Impossible as a solid theory which I guess technically you can??), theory three (or the Doctor Who timetheory). This theory portrays time as possible to change and allowing for alternatives to be taken, but not in all places and ways. It presents very hard limits on what can change, and offers a much more inflexible time continuum than theory 2, as well as much higher consequences for causing alterations. Rather than direct cause-effect consequences, like vanishing because you caused yourself not to be born, usually the result of tampering and causing a change of large size is that you will create time paradoxes, which the time stream itself desperately will try to destroy/fix, usually horribly and with massive and brutal force. Things like Life is Strange fall into this theory as well, with Dr. Who being on the lenient end of this spectrum and LIS the strict. It offers the technicality of a changeable future, but none of the true and almost wild freedom offered by variations of theory 2. Basically, any large scale or personal change you cause will rip holes in the universe, and either you will give in to fate and re-allow the loved one you saved to die, or you push on through and accept massive time-space damage and casualties for the choice. I’ve got mixed feelings on this one myself, as I’ve seen it handled super well and made a thing that can be fun, but it also is the theory that pisses me off the most when written poorly haha.

Anyway, massive time theory talk over, in Dead by Daylight, the Entity can traverse time canonically. In ILM, the survivors only talk briefly, after meeting Jane, about theories for how that works, but here is what I would say if ILM had included Bill. To preface, there are two timelines that each follow the same set of basic rules, but have a little freedom in how they effect each other (not so much in how they effect themselves): the Survivor’s world/reality timeline, and the Entity’s pocket dimension timeline. Neither timeline can contradict itself and create paradoxes within its own space. So. Bill is from the same universe as anyone else. At one point, the early 2000s followed the narrative of Left 4 Dead, and the Entity grabbed Bill where & when he “dies” in canon. Only, some time after grabbing Bill, the Entity took another person which (completely unintentionally on the Entity’s part) triggered a massive Buttery Effect on the world, and greatly altered reality, causing not only the Left 4 Dead apocalypse to no longer occur, but causing Bill himself to never be born. Bill however was already outside of the world and in the Entity’s pocket dimension at the time, and thus was not there to be “erased” and exists as an anomaly. While he is paradoxical in his own world, he does not at all contradict the Entity’s established timeline—he adheres to it. While the memory of survivors is effected and updated by changes made in reality by the Entity, because there is no version of “Bill” in the world anymore, he did not have his memories altered (there was no “Bill” for the timestream to update at all, as he is entirely an anomaly now, so it would have no reason to try). The world they exist in has a time continuum that operates off a variation somewhere between theory 3 and theory 2 (the future is not set, but also there are fix points—however, these almost exclusively exist in regard to one’s own past. The big rule is that personally making the act of altering your own past intentionally by nature also alters your motivations for acting in the first place, and thus negates the possibility of you doing so. While you can change other people’s pasts, or accidentally effect your own, you physically cannot change your own intentionally, because you’d create either a paradox or a time loop, and it would rip you apart).

Dwight is more or less correct when he hypothesizes that they might have all remembered a world with Jane Romero still in it until an hour ago. However, all of ILM itself is that version of time/reality (ie the “last” or “final” version, as it were/the version that came into being when Jane was taken). Her loss butterfly affect updated people, and so they remember her being missing. While the Entity could hypothetically someday accidentally do things that make it so survivors aren’t born in the external reality, it cannot do so intentionally or accidentally-on-purpose, because it is bound by the rules of its own personal history/timeline, and it can neither intentionally nor accidentally do a damn thing to prevent what has transpired inside itself from happening. Similarly, since the survivors are established as existing inside it, even if they were erased at birth, they would still exit it intact in November of 2019 with all their memories. The Entity thus has no real way to hurt them even in revenge, unless it is willing to risk taking them again from a later point in time. Most small decisions do not have buttery effects that are very large at all, and in general time attempts to smooth out with the least possible changes. What happened to Bill was a one in a billion fortunate/unfortunate chance thing, and was such an unlikely thing to happen in the first place, the chances of a thing like it happening again are astronomically small, and almost completely certainly would not to occur. In some ways it would be nice for him though, because he could escape back to a peaceful reality where many people he lost are still happy & living. While they don’t remember him, people would still have the echos of their past inside them (feelings of deja vu, memories in dreams, attachment and familiarity with people you never “met”) and he could reconnect with them if he wanted and live happily with old Left 4 Dead crew and his new survivor family. : )

[lyriumheart]

big same tbh like my blocklist never had anyone on it until i started playing dbd, and from what i can tell the ps4 community is REALLY bad. i started to slowly main killer recently, and i play ghostface, and i try to make a point of not tunnelling or tbagging people. i only ever tbag survs if they start doing shitty stuff first- because i still play surv a lot and know it sucks when that happens!

and when i play surv ive had killers tbag and face camp me for NO reason, i NEVER tbag as surv cause i just think it's so obnoxious. ik some people do it to bait chases, but you can do that another way you know?

i've had more bad experiences than i've had good ones and it's really discouraging when i truly LOVE the game, but so much of the community are... like that.

I’ve had to block well over 200 people while playing DbD on PS4 and if that doesn’t tell you that not just the game, but that the community also needs some fixing, I don’t know what will