#not a charlastor shipper and exactly.

[lucifers-sinnamon]

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I'm really sick of the toxic Charlastors making an embarrassment out of the rest of us lol. Stop tagging things chaggie or even anti chaggie — tumblr's tagging system is deranged and it will just appear in the tag, making you look like a jealous hater. Stop giving attention to people like StellaGoetiaFan on twitter. They're not Charlastor lovers, they're Vivziepop haters who use the ship to spread their dislike for things out of their control. Nobody of sound mind is running a hate account over cartoons.

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I'm really sick of the toxic Charlastors making an embarrassment out of the rest of us lol. Stop tagging things ch//ggie or even anti ch//ggie -- tumblr's tagging system is deranged and it will just appear in the tag, making you look like a jealous hater. Stop giving attention to people like StellaGoetiaFan on twitter. They're not Charlastor lovers, they're V//vziep//p haters who use the ship to spread their dislike for things out of their control. Nobody of sound mind is running a hate account over cartoons.

[chaifootsteps]

Can't belive people think Charlastor is popular because of lesbiphobia and not because it's just... better.

Like I wish Chaggie had that type of dynamic. Like

Surprise surprise people like naive character that has to work with a powerful being x powerful being that has to work with naive character + their relationship is developed through the story and they become friends/lovers more than naive character x her gf (that naive girl disrespects all the time)

Wow yeah I wonder why do people like Charlastor more

Exactly! Despite what Viv's fandom likes to parrot, not everything is about homophobia and plenty of Charlastor shippers are queer. People just gravitate towards whatever ship they feel has the most chemistry, and for a lot of people, that's Alastor and Charlie.

[hazbinstohell]

Something that I found weird IS how much Charlastor content we got. Don't get me wrong as a shipper, I'm not upset. I was very happy in fact. However, the fact that this fanon ship. This ship that will never be canon unless Viv has a complete change of mind got all of these shippy esque moments while the actual canon ship, Chaggie got virtually nothing is wild. Chaggie isn't my ship, I don't dislike it, I just don't find it interesting, but if I was a shipper I'd be pissed. How the hell are they canon but got scraps basically. It felt like Viv wanted to make a queer ship just for the sake of representation and not because she actually cares about it. Maybe things will be different in season 2 but just off of season 1, she doesn't care about Chaggie and the writing showed. I might be a charlastor shipper but I can put my shipping goggles to the side and acknowledge it's fucked up how this lesbian ship hasn't gotten the proper care and attention it deserved. I can't help but imagine how disappointing it must be to bi and lesbian watchers to think they were finally getting representation and this is how it was handled. Hell, if anything from all the charlastor content we got, I'm inclined to believe that some of the writers are lowkey Charlastor shippers with the material we were getting. Again, I was very happy to see it but at the same time, why did a ship that'll never happen get a lot of content. That's a lot of time dedicated to a fanon ship instead of the canon one. I wonder what went on in that writers room.

Yeah, we all in the fandom felt this. I’m not against Chaggie. I like both characters…but together they brought nothing. Is it the writing or Viv? I don’t know, but I will say this—Amazon is already alluding to Alastor being the leading man, so who knows exactly?

[platonically-loving-alastor]

Aroace Alastor

Hoo boy here we go- This one might make some people mad at me, so I'll preface by saying I do not want to start a fight and as long as you respect my business, I'll respect yours. But let's get this over with-

First off, I genuinely don't understand how some people can see the Ace-In-The-Hole quote and still believe that Alastor is only intended to be asexual and not also aromantic. Yes, the term Rosie used for purpose of the pun was 'ace', but can we look at the context of that moment before jumping to conclusions?

Rosie, motioning to Charlie: "Oh, who's this you brought with you? Come now, Alastor, she's much too young for you! Oh, I'm just kidding. I know you're an ace in the hole!"

Her original statement implies nothing sexual, only that he's involved in a relationship with Charlie, and she follows it up with why she knows that couldn't be because he's an 'ace in the hole'. I don't think you have to read too far between the lines to see that.

I would also like to say that when Vivienne has spoken about his orientation before, I recall her saying that she didn't want to confirm him being aromantic so that she wouldn't 'ruin anyone's fun', which I just feel like is an odd thing to say if she wasn't already explicitly picturing him as aroace. If she thought he had romantic attraction, why wouldn't she just say that? What fun would that ruin? I also feel like keeping things like this ambiguous just to appease the shippers is a little weird, but I digress-

And to those of you who I know are saying "But aromantic people can be in relationships too!!" *deep inhale* yeah I know. I'm not gonna pretend you're not right about that, but there are also aroace people who have exactly 0 interest in romance or sex at all. This is the part of the post that really is based on how I interpret certain moments, but to me he is absolutely one of those people. I don't really know where people get any vibes of him being interested in that stuff. I have never once looked at him and thought "Yeah I could see him in a romantic relationship with *insert character here*". Even aside from attraction in general, since that's what we'd be talking about at this point anyway, he just seems like the kind of guy who'd rather work and live independently instead of relying on anyone, whether practically or emotionally (which is also probably part of the reason he never joined the Vees, but that's another topic entirely). Hell, I'm pretty sure he's in heavy denial about even developing any kind of care or friendship with the people at the hotel (ie. the episode 8 scene with him and Niffty).

The only ships I see him involved in with people he doesn't hate (so ignoring RadioApple, RadioHusk, and StaticRadio. But to be real, maybe the fact all his main ships are enemies to lovers coded says something about the whole situation, but that's just me-) are Charlastor - which I will not even try to discuss here, people aren't gonna like this post as it is - and RadioRose. Rosie and him would at least be fair, if it weren't for one thing (which is also personal opinion on my end), and I don't know exactly how to word it. I'm tempted to say she has wingwoman vibes? But she knows he's aro, so that's not the right word, but there's vibes of like, she probably did act as a wingwoman before she realized that about him or something.. There's also something about her joking around like "Oh this is the girl? You have a girlfriend and I'm only now meeting her?" is almost giving motherly behavior. Idk man they're just besties to me, I could see them in a QPR though (not that they'd probably label it that way, considering the word queerplatonic is likely just complete gibberish to Alastor lmao).

So to summarize: It feels incredibly likely, if not practically canon, that Alastor was written with aromanticism in mind, even if Vivienne refuses to explicitly state it. Subtext and not-that-subtle implications can say just as much about a character as word of God, especially when that God has explicitly told us why she won't confirm or deny this information. Do I think any of this will stop people from shipping him romantically with literally any other character? No ofc it won't, and that's okay, that's just what fandoms do. I do think there's something to say for the fact the one aroace (or even at the very least asexual) character gets constantly shipped with everyone else in the cast, but this post is long enough I think. The only point of posting this is that I wanted to get information out there in one post to say "Hey, let's look a little bit past the surface for a second before saying there's no proof of him being aromantic"

Anyway, thanks for reading, I hope you at least took something away from this

[petitprincess1]

"This character isn't acting how I want them to act." That's not criticism. I imagine we'll get that once Hazbin Hotel starts. Example, Alastor being a good person deep down or Alastor is a just a psycho because he gets off on torturing and killing people. Alastor betrays Charlie or actually help. Some people will whine because of there own headcannons on Alastor. If your personal Headcanon is proven wrong that not a criticism.

Exactly. The character isn't acting the way YOU want them to? Sucks. ...What else do you want me to say? I'm not gonna exactly sympathize because this isn't working out like in your fanfiction. I'm talking to you toxic Charlastor shippers (just wanna say I'm not generalizing all Charlastor shippers, just the idiots)

Please be prepared to have a lot of your headcanons destroyed, even though they really won't be because almost anything is possible in fanon xP If you want to bitch and moan about how Angel is written "differently" or is "too gay" or some bs, go complain to those who care. If it's gonna bother you THAT badly that that is your go to, then maybe it's time you hop off the train.

Btw, there's nothing wrong with being a little disappointed. However, it's a bit much to go online and whine about something as small as your headcanon being incorrect. Especially since it's a headcanon that still can hold true to you or whatever it is that you're making.

[wtttz]

I feel the same, sorta, about Episode 5. I like charlastor but I knew from the beginning we wouldn’t get it and hyped myself up for a family like friendship between the too. While Alastor only said those things in the song to piss off Lucifer, it feels kinda weird, because he barely interacted with her. It all came down crashing way too soon and left me disappointed. The show is rushing too many things

Exactly!

the series time span is too fast to focus on little details in the show and vivi is like oh no building a bond for five second between Charlie and alastor is off limit im not gonna make the same mistake twice.

lmao but i think charlastor shippers hasn't lost anything particular you know? Most of them are from pilot it's nostalgic when i think about back then and remember this two.

they were really nice together and now we have other ships such as chaggie and huskerdust which i love too why can't we have them all at the same time? It's a bit funny when she's trying so hard to destroy a fan made ship who didn't have a chance from the start she needs to chill

[beevean]

I see a lot of fan art for Charlie x Alastor

I see a lot of fan art for Lucifer x Alastor

But I rarely see any fan art of Charlie X Vaggie lmao

(I know it's because Charlie and Vaggie's dynamic is bland compared to the other ones but I still find it funny)

What's with stories always making the main couple so boring and formulaic?

Multiple factors, I'd wager.

in HH's case in particular, Alastor is the most popular character in the show, and therefore the most shipped. This goes way back to the days of the pilot, where Radiodust gained a lot of traction despite Alastor and Angel only having one interaction, and it was Angel jokingly proposing to suck Alastor's dick lmao. Anyway, dude is nowadays shipped with... pretty much the entirety of the main cast except Velvette and Valentino lmao.

With very few exceptions, M/M and M/F ships tend to be more popular than F/F ships. There has been infinite discourse about this disparity, and I can't tell you exactly why, you draw your own conclusions.

Charlie and Vaggie are an already established couple, and have a very healthy, stable relationship with only a few hiccups, including the very big reveal that Vaggie hid her nature from Charlie, but the rushed pace of the season made them get over it quickly. From a representation standpoint, this is pretty good, it's nice to have a very normal lesbian couple not treated any differently. From a shipping standpoint, it's boring lmao. There's no conflict nor a journey to follow like in the case of Huskerdust.

Vaggie was also toned down from the pilot, possibly because some people criticized her as a stereotypical angry Latina - now she's just grumpy, as well as out of focus, and no one song shared with Carmilla is not enough. Not a good way to endear your character.

However, in theory, one could elaborate on those hiccups. Vaggie is basically Charlie's guard dog, and she admits in one episode that she ties her selfworth around being able to make her happy, but when you look at their interactions, Vaggie doesn't seem to ever be on board with Charlie, creating fiction. You can even see the hint of a power imbalance, which is always appealing for shipping. Then there is, of course, the reveal, that could shake their relationship even further and make them go on a journey to learn how to trust each other. Now, why won't many fans think of this? Well...

I don't go there so I don't have personal experience myself, but stereotypically, F/F shippers tend to favor sugary scenarios. I hear all the time how female characters are only allowed to be cute and hold hands, and never be as twisted and edgy as many, many M/M ships :P so the potential of making Chaggie a bit "spicier" to fix the shortcomings of the show is hardly explored. And even if it is...

... Charlastor is right there. Charlastor, with Alastor happily helping Charlie but hiding his own nefarious agenda. Charlastor, with Alastor teasing Charlie in a much more playful way, even touching her. Charlastor, with the two genuinely, openly trusting each other, Charlie with her feelings in general and Alastor with his ultra powerful mic and believing in her potential. Charlastor, that ended with Alastor breaking down about a deal that constrains him and is implied to be the very reason he's serving Charlie in the first place. Even if Alastor wasn't the fandom blorbo, no shit Charlie is much more shipped with this guy! The dynamic is much more unique and is bound to go somewhere!

Main couples don't have to be boring. For example, no one ever dared to break Rupphire apart because they were just that lovable together, both in Garnet form and separated: they had chemistry, we saw how we got closer, we saw them argue for a whole episode, we saw them being openly affectionate towards each other. Chaggie in my opinion is just another victim of HH's rushed, unfocused pace, that left poor Vaggie in the dust and reduced her to Charlie's grumpy but loyal gf.

(now don't ask me why Radioapple got so popular lmao. I don't get it. I guess Hell's Greatest Dad slaps that much)

[crackedpotatochip]

No seriously something fishy is going to happen between this two and im all for it babe!

And please don't make any new shipping war lets just enjoy the show together and i meant you! charlastor and chaggie fandom !

Knowing side eye*

Just behave you two im a multi shipper and while chaggie its not exactly my cup of tea im not gonna snap at people who like there dynamic i kinda prefer something like this

Chaggie dynamic just doesn't work for me lmao

But i hope hazbin hotel give ous smt new and refreshing anyway!

[dreamwreaver]

The other part is like, on the one hand we know that as an ultimate antagonist Alastor and Charlie's dynamic is going to get a lot of time spent on it to prepare for the inevitable betrayal. But on the other hand... no one on the writing team seems to give a shit about chaggie. I legitimately questioned if my gaydar was off when I started watching and I knew going into it they were a canon couple. (I realized it wasn't when I saw Emily and vaggie share exactly one scene together on screen and immediately started shipping it) but several other queer friends of mine were like "nah I'm hella gay and there's nothing there for them"

Which like, if they hadn't pulled that vaggie is secretly a former exorcist thing, honestly would have been fine. Couples can be boring, I went into it not expecting much, but I didn't expect so much anti-chemistry between Charlie and vaggie. I at the very least expected that even though I didn't care, the show might care. But they don't. I felt nothing seeing that reveal in front of Charlie. Because there is at no point where I see either of those character supporting one another enough for that pain to hit. It's just another secret kept between a couple that honestly is super imbalanced. The typical episode format, from the pilot goes; Charlie has an idea but not a super grounded way to achieve it, vaggie (with all good intentions I don't want her to seem like a stick in the mud) says "no that's not a good idea" and implies that Charlie should change herself to appeal to the people she rules over instead of them learning to accept her as she is, Charlie does what she wants anyways and one of them is proven right but neither of them ever apologize.

Even with this big betrayal where they get the worst fucking advice from admittedly two well meaning women, neither of them apologizes. Vaggie even attempts to and Charlie cuts her off, like her anger didn't matter and wasn't valid. Like vaggie shouldn't have to worry she deeply hurt someone she allegedly cares so much about. For as much mocking and belittling Alastor does he's never once not been up front about his honest thoughts. And ironically? He's far more supportive of Charlie as a person and her endeavor than Vaggie is. And it feels weird! It's even weirder when after they make up vaggie doesn't get to do the stuff she should as Charlie's girlfriend. Sure, they fight together but when Charlie's in actual danger both times, who comes to her rescue? Her father of course! Like at least with the first one vaggie was trapped under some rubble, but the second one? What the fuck was the point of giving her her wings back if she couldn't end up using them to save the person she loves? Why are they a couple if all they ever do in the show is tell us they're a couple instead of showing us? How am I supposed to believe they're a long term couple when helluva boss' moxxie and Millie have been a couple for arguably just as long (even if they've only been married a year) and every time they're on screen people know they're a couple. People don't need merch to know moxxie and Millie are a couple, but apparently they did to know chaggie was a couple.

Honestly it is so infuriating, just from a nonshipper, but as someone who was prepared to like canon chaggie even if I didn't actively ship it. But they didn't bother, and that's what the problem is. I'm mad at the terrible handling of this canon ship and I'm even madder that actual chaggie shippers got shafted and don't even seem to mind. Like, they deserve better by and large, they deserve for people to look at their ship and know they're a couple before half the season is over. But if they aren't going to do that, why not go full steam on charlastor? That's the one with the most natural chemistry

If you really think about it, the ship where Alastor would be involved in that would most likely be canon so far would be Charlastor.

I mean, he despises Lucifer and sees Vox as not worth his time, so he's not gonna be throwing himself all over them anytime soon. Nearly everyone he interacts with besides the three women he's friends with, he's either indifferent, respectable or hostile to, but towards Charlie? This man has allowed her to touch him without permission, stated multiple times that he has faith in her beliefs and even handed her his source of power. Twice.

I'm aware he's doing all this with some underlying motive, but you can't deny he won't do all this for just anyone. I really can't imagine him all comfortably curled up in Angel's bed or getting handsy with Lucifer (He wipes his hands after touching him, man really doesn't like him at all). I support all ships with Alastor but if we're looking at this at a canon perspective, Alastor interacts with Charlie the most and will continue to interact with her as the show goes on, it's more possible to happen in a sense with Alastor.

Plus with all the romantic cues the show has (Unintentionally?) given so far, with the part where both Charlie and Alastor are laying on the heart shaped pillow but Charlie falls off the bed while Alastor remains on top off it, it seems that there could be a very small possibility that there might be an unrequited crush on Alastor's part.

Yeah, it's a stretch, but hey, he didn't have to lay in that bed. He could have stayed standing, looming over Charlie to show that he might be helping her but he still sees himself as above her and in control of the situation. But! Someone still animated him on that bed! They still animated him on that heart shaped pillow right beside Charlie! They didn't have to, but they still did and my minds still reeling after that fact.

No because you’re absolutely correct here.

Out of any of the characters in the series for Alastor to end up with, if he were to have a romantic subplot of any kind, it would be Charlie. They have the most potential together as a pairing and there have been so many little hints and visual cues that I’m honestly shocked that a romance plot isn’t where their relationship is going.

I genuinely cannot see Alastor ever engaging in anything romantic or physical with Vox or Lucifer in any way. And whenever I say that people like to excuse me of hating gay ships (which I clearly don’t. I am queer, and I love seeing queer ships that actually make sense and have good chemistry, and not just because they’re gay). It’s because he canonly hates men and is much kinder towards women—except for Vaggie lol. Yes, ship Alastor with whoever you want. It’s not my place to tell you if your ship is bad or not. I honestly don’t care because it’s your opinion and as long as you’re having fun with it, that’s all that matters!

But like anon is saying here, if we’re looking at it from a canon viewpoint, let’s think about it. Again, Alastor clearly doesn’t like men and can’t even be bothered to shake Lucifer’s hand without being disgusted. There have been three women who could be potential love interests. First is Mimzy, which I can see there may have been some flirtation here and there in the past, or even an unrequited crush on her part. But with her basically using him to get her out of trouble all the time, I can’t see them going beyond their on-and-off friendship. Then there’s Rosie, who he’s obviously very comfortable around and lets her touch and grab him as she pleases—which he wouldn’t let slide with any male characters in the show. And the Radiorose ship is cute I admit, but to me they’re a pair of gossip buddies who would maybe pretend to be in a relationship if needed, but otherwise their feelings don’t go any further than platonic.

And so that leaves us with Charlie. When I first watched the pilot I absolutely assumed they were going to have some kind of slow burn, not only because the idea of the princess of Hell and this feared Radio Demon falling for each other is so intriguing, but generally just the way they acted with each other. In like a span of eight minutes they were happily dancing together, with Alastor calling her one of a kind, tossing her around and making improvements to her dream hotel.

You can imagine how surprised I was when I found out they weren’t canon and weren’t going to be in the actual show. Like, I was legit going “🤨🤨🤨” and this was before I was even in the fandom lmao

And thank you so much for mentioning that scene in her bedroom because…

What is this. What do you mean the mfs making this show drew out this scene, carefully looked at every detail for the final product, and went “yup👍” if there wasn’t supposed to be something more going on here???

Like seriously if you’ve never watched this episode and you saw these two frames, what exactly would you assume is going on here? Be honest with me

But ya know, charlastor “isn’t canon” (so they say🙄) so the animators here were def trolling us lol

[chaifootsteps]

hello! I've been kinda stalking your blog & relatively new to HH fandom (& also you don't have to answe, though im sorry to ask):

Do you think Viv is aware that there's relatively much more Charlastor shippers than before?

It makes me sad when I was told there was beef with her & the ship's fandom, even muting/blocking tag in the past. And when ep 5 came, no one really bought the whole "daughter-dad" think (& instead people just ate that up with daddy-kink jokes); someone told me it was Viv's way to sink the ship but it seems to back fire lol..

Even now, I see much more Korean, Chinese &Japanese artist draw Charlastor. While western fans are drawing more Alastor x Lúcifer (& VoxAl). I'm a multi-shipper myself, however..

Idk man...I feel like im rambling on. My friends are watching HH for the first time & even say there's more chemistry between Charlie & Alastor than with the canon ship (though I think they're cute too! But they feel too pure for me, & I need something spicy & dark)

Im just...depressed to know that a creator actually showed hostility towards fans of her show with a ship she don't like? Most creators would ignore fandom fights...but Viv? She's too interactive (though I dont think that's bad) :/

I don't know which possibility is worse...that she's too stupid to realize what she did or that she knows exactly what she did and catered deliberately to Charlastor shipper bucks while treating them with open disdain.

[dreamwreaver]

I'm not the one who started my commentary on op's post saying "not trying to argue" while saying something directly starting an argument. The op was talking about charlastor, the ship, and the fact that so many of us experience exactly what you're doing right now. I don't care if you claim to have found it in the hazbin tag, if you don't want to see charlastor content, filter the tag. I've seen plenty of chaggie stuff without a single negative comment on it from charlastor shipppers. But what consistently gets hate without fail? Charlastor content.

You say you weren't trying to argue and yet commented "vaggie exists" like we're idiots who don't know that. We know vaggie exists, we know chaggie is canon. We just wanna make our little Barbie dolls kiss without getting harassed for it. And yet every single time, someone without fail comes out of the woodwork and makes derogatory comments on it. No one is telling you personally to ship charlastor or else. No one is telling you to look at charlastor content. All we are saying is that we deserve to talk about our ships in the main tag as much as any other shipper without people getting a rage boner over it. And to op, I am sorry this has turned into a reblog battleground, you were just answering an ask, you don't deserve this. But I personally am getting sick of this attitude where it's not an argument if you purposefully go and rain on someone's parade like this.

Sometimes it's hard to be a Charlastor shipper.

Say you ship Alastor with (insert character here) and no one bats an eye.

But say you ship Alastor with Charlie and society goes wild.

But that's part of why it's nice to see other people enjoying this ship.

Ain’t that the damn truth

Charlie would make the most sense as Alastor’s partner out of anyone tbh, because in case you all have forgotten he fucking despises Lucifer and Vox, and literally all men ever. I’m not saying you can’t ship him with them, let’s just not act like it’s completely out of line to ship him with Charlie🤷‍♀️

And to clarify, I’m also in no way saying people can’t have opinions (for some reason everyone likes to interpret my defense as me being like ‘wahhh you have to like charlastor cuz I like it grrr’ which…no???) But that doesn’t give anyone the right to send hate to charlastor shippers simply because you don’t like the pairing. It’s really not that hard to block the tags or simply scroll away and say nothing.

Anyway that’s why I love my charlastor mutuals so much. We know we have good taste and we stick together cuz of it😋🙏