#nimbledick

[istumpysk]

Young Griff sounds like name of a rapper

Darkstar sounds like one of the X-Men.

[catofoldstones]

Lol they are coping. The outline mentions Sansa's resolve to become Sansa Stark which means that it's an internal decision on her part to push away Baelish's consistent forcing of Alayne persona onto her. Secondly the white harbour news is mentioned for a reason. It's mostly likely the catalyst that triggers her to shed away her Alayne identity and resolve to come back into her own. Very much likely that it's going to be the news of Arya's marriage to Ramsay.

Yeah, it’s selective reading and plausible deniability working overtime to make their moth-eaten, barely standing arguments make sense. As always.

Exactly. The argument that ‘take north’ is Baelish’s plan falls in front of the news of White Harbour, whatever that may be - Arya’s wedding to Ramsey Bolton or that Rickon has been found alive on Skagos and brought back. Both are very compelling and will no wonder push Sansa to take matters into her own hands. Though I feel that the news will contain some information that will antagonise Baelish to Sansa fully and finally, making her resolve to run even stronger. So it could be the Arya news. I mean, selling your sister to a barbarous political enemy does make Baelish enemy no. 1. But that is all speculation at this point, considering the outline is 20 years old and solely for GRRM’s own reference.

[kellyvela]

To add to the JoJo analysis, Sansa considered Joffrey as her Prince Aemon which her father said that he was not. Later when Sansa is forcibly wed to Tyrion and Joffrey threatens to take her as his mistress, he compares himself to Aegon the Unworthy who was Prince Aemon's brother. Also there is that line about how bastards are not allowed to swordfight with princes when Jon says why he isn't allowed to spar with Joffrey.

Yes to all that. I wrote about it in some other metas.

Thank you :)

[sanrixian]

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[stormcloudrising]

Reblogging to respond to all comments at once.

@iwouldservehim-main But where is the evidence that he or one of his sister wives planned for a future battle against the Others. There is certainly no evidence on the pages that he discussed it with any of the men he named regional wardens. And even though many want to believe otherwise, there is not even any evidence that he discussed it with Torhen. The reason we were originally given for why Torrhen bent the knee makes vastly more sense than speculation that he and Aegon came to an understanding in one night.

If Aegon did have a prophetic dream, why would he trust Torrhen and tell him about it on first sight. For all he knew, the threat could be the Starks. There has to be more to the story of his vision because there are holes large enough to drive a mack truck through and that's not George's style. He's very detailed oriented....especially on the big picture.

@iwouldservehim-main You're right, the prophecy likely wasn't that specific. Prophecies never are. Prophecies also seldom mean what they first seem to, and are often misinterpreted, which proves my point as noted above.

There is no evidence of planning...no discussion with his wardens etc. Yes, the Targs built roads that connected the kingdom, but that would be necessary to rule a kingdom the size of Winterfell. Also, it would have made sense that Aegon would think the war would come during his lifetime. That's certainly what was stated on the show, and so there should be hints of planning in the text. And certainly the thought of the Others would be more present in the minds of the great lords...especially the Starks. The time from Aegon's rule when he supposedly discussed the danger with Torrhen is not that great a period from the current storyline. And yet, Ned totally downplays the danger of the Others.

@nimbledick To be fair, the numbers of the Night's Watch had already started to declined before Aegon invaded. The Lords of the old houses had forgotten about the Others and so, except in the North, not many of the House descendants still found it an honor to join the Watch. And if the Lords didn't join, the common folks wouldn't be interested in joining up either. That's why the Watch had to start taking their members from the dregs of society.

On the other hand, Aegon burning alive thousands upon thousands of the lands warriors is kind of problematic if you think that a great battle for the world of men is about to happen. If the Others really were going to invade at that time, he weakened Westeros with a few fires. Maybe he thought that if he burnt thousands of men, there would be less for the Others to turn into wights...LOL.

If this appears on the page, I'm sure there will be much more to it, and it will turn out that it's been misinterpreted, because as I stated, it's a pretty big reveal for George or any writer to reveal in advance.

Apologies for any typos...typed this in a rush.

Things That Make You Go Hmmm!

So, if Aegon received a prophetic dream about the fall of man coming out of the North and he and his dragons being the one to lead the fight in defending man, why did he settle in Kings Landing and not the North where he would have been closer to the danger to defend against it. It would even have made sense to settle around the Riverlands to protect against the danger of the Others crossing the Trident.

Yet, he didn't do either of those things. Instead, he settled himself, his wives and their dragons at Kings Landing, just a stones throw from their ancestral home at Dragonstone. It was almost the furtherest he could have settled from the North without actually being in Dorne. Why?

It's a question that many in the fandom don't consider. They have rushed to embrace the theory because it "puts" the Targs in a good light without considering the inconsistencies. They also don't seem to wonder who sent Aegon the visions or why George would reveal such an important plot point of his story in the real world before it shows up on the page.

I think there has to be a catch, and I suspect it won't mean what many think it does.

[youritalianbookpal]

[Transcription: two photos of a citation taken from A Feast for Crows by George R. R. Martin. The quote reads: They had a restless night. Thrice Brienne woke. Once when the rain began, and once at a creak that made her think Nimble Dick was creeping in to kill her. The second time, she woke with knife in hand, but it was nothing. In the darkness of the cramped little cabin, it took her a moment to remember that NimbleDick was dead. When she finally drifted back to sleep, she dreamed about the men she'd killed. They danced around her, mocking her, pinching at her as she slashed at them with her sword. She cut them all to bloody ribbons, yet still they swarmed around her... Shagwell, Timeon, and Pyg, aye, but Randyll Tarly too, and Vargo Hoat, and Red Ronnet Connington. Ronnet had a rose between his fingers. When he held it out to her, she cut his hand off.]

I completely forgot the amount of nightmares and weird dreams Brienne has in affc and frankly at this point I just want her to have a good night’s sleep and dream of nothing for seven hours.

[istumpysk]

I have never understood why people use Sansa administering sweetsleep as motivation to kill Robert. The sweetsleep administering starts in the Eyrie itself. The question about Harry the Heir enters into the equation when they are at Gates of the Moon. By this time, she has ordered two dosages of sweetsleep and so I don't understand how people tie that as a motivation to her end result of Harry's betrothal because all of this i.e the sweetsleep doses have happened before the conversation about the betrothal even takes place. It means that Sansa is already trying to kill him before she even comes to know about Harry lol.

Secondly the dosages are administered in order to stop his epileptic fits. Another thing that Baelish tells her that they need to keep Robert healthy so that the lord's don't question them. Baelish also says that Robert is the key and is even self aware to admit that lowborns like him shouldn't target the Seat of the Arryns which also makes far more sense in the fact that the whole Harry plan is a sham and his key to the power is Robert.

Great thoughts as always, nimbledick.

What can I say? This fandom's specialty is struggling to follow events in chronological order.

The sweetsleep issue is indicative of their desperation to pin any fault on Sansa. It's almost unjust how much more we have to work with compared to them.

[catofoldstones]

Always thought Sweetrobin would have been a suitor had George gone with the five year gap. This also explains why Harrold Hardyng is added into the story who seems like a very forceful addition to the plot and that George hadn't conceived of the character till the end of ASOS. Just look at this. Harry is supposed to be a 18 - 19 yr old able bodied male heir to one fourth of Westeros and yet after Jon Arryn's death in the beginning of AGOT, we hear nothing about this man till the end of fourth book. Sweetrobin is an only sickly child and yet there is no public opinion on how there is already an able bodied male spare in existence. It would also explain Lysa's paranoia because people wouldn't hesitate to flock to Harry instead of Robert. But we hear nothing about him. This also explains the only other mention of a Hardyng in Dunk and Egg Ashford Tourney. I mean to say that to intentionally omit Sweetrobin as a suitor due to lack of 5 yr gap, George forcibly added Harrold Hardyng to the story as to line up Sansa's suitors similar to the remaining five champions in Lady Ashford Tourney.

Hi Nimble!

Sorry for responding so late. I didn’t know much about the 5 year gap that GRRM had planned and decided to read up on it. Now I have some opinions(tm) lol.

Well, I think you’re right. GRRM wrote The Hedge Knight in 1998, before A Storm of Swords was published and we still don’t get a mention of Harry Hardyng in ASOS by Lysa or Peter or anyone. If truly HH was planned since the beginning we could’ve gotten a mention of him if not when Robert mentions that he has made Jamie the Lord Protector of the Vale to Ned, then at least when Lysa is paranoid about SR’s claim. Maybe the suitors were added retroactively, because by the time Hedge Knight was published, ASOS was still being written, and Sansa was not yet being courted by the Tyrells or married to Tyrion. On the other hand, maybe GRRM was in the middle of writing ASOS and decided to add in the suitors as parallels to what he was writing, with the exception of SR of course- because you simply can’t give away your future story on a plate can you? Maybe he added a HH later because he decided to fit the similarities more perfectly? Because, like you said, adding HH like that because he himself noticed a happy coincidence would fail if it did not point to the end goal/next step in neon red lights.

[kellyvela]

A Stark beheading a certain Lord of Harrenhall who is a relentless schemer, has no qualms taking down his own family and plays all the sides against each other. Ned was the Cregan successor but he failed. I think Sansa will do successfully what Cregan did and what Ned couldn't. If we get a Dance of Dragons in ASOIAF and after all the mess, we have a broken king getting coronated then I think Sansa will play a big role in making Bran King of Westeros.

[flightydreamer]

I’m sorry that I never trusted you. I don’t know how to do that anymore.

George R. R. Martin, A Feast for Crows

[istumpysk]

My most unpopular theory is that Littlefinger's grand plan is marrying Sansa. Thats it. I don't think there is anything more and I don't see any surprise reveals awaiting regarding his grand master plan. As far as his political plans are considered I have always felt he is a dynamic player and he doesn't have any definite endgame in his mind except marrying her. Whatever comes in his way he will grab that. Harrenhall is not something he was interested in nor has he ever expressed any ambitions to become Lord Paramount of Riverlands. It was simply a ruse so as to make himself of eligible station to marry Lysa. The fandom tries to overcomplicate him as some conflicted greyish dark villain when in truth he is like a non magical version of Euron Greyjoy.

Not an unpopular opinion on this here blog!

That man has only two priorities: climbing the ranks of power and Sansa Starks. Everything else is impulsive and subject to rapid change.

The whole point of his character is that she is his weakness, which will inevitably lead him to make incredibly foolish decisions, resulting in his downfall.

[istumpysk]

Even if someone is trying to look at the Duncan angle while analysing Ashford Tourney doesn't it make sense to apply that to Brienne instead of Sandor?

Oh, you mean the confirmed descendant of Duncan the Tall? That Brienne?

Yeah, that would make a lot more sense, wouldn't it?

But you know, we can't let reality get in the way.

Post: Every single event in The Hedge Knight should be tied back to Sansa, actually.

[istumpysk]

I know he is shallow and is marked for death lol but of all the suitors who have expressed an interest in Sansa till now or have been related to her in some matrimonial plot aspects, Harrold Hardyng is the guy with whom she has had the most chemistry in one unedited sample chapter across five books.

Also Harry X Sansa > Sansa X Willas

You'll get no argument from me! Their chemistry is great.

Because of the limited availability of suitable men of appropriate stature and age to ship Sansa with, Harry becomes the de facto #2 choice.

[istumpysk]

Victarion Greyjoy is a dull-witted, violent, criminal warlord, who lacks basic empathy and compassion.

You didn't just call him that.

We come to love not by finding a perfect person, but by learning to see an imperfect person perfectly.

[istumpysk]

I hope that Jaime Euron scene will be Victarion Euron fight. I am cheering for Vicky to kill him and then die in the most comic way lol. He might be halfway there already.

It's possible they pulled from Victarion and Euron for three different scenes.

[istumpysk]

Fuck Marry Kill - Sailor edition

Sallador

Victarion

Euron

Each candidate can be mapped to only one option.

Rude!

Fuck - Victarion Greyjoy

Forget his imposing frame, toned abdomen, or unparalleled sex drive.

I'm in it for the post-intimacy cuddles, where we openly share our deepest emotions.

"For I mean them to return and haunt these Yunkishmen," he told the dusky woman that night after he had taken his pleasure of her. They were close now, and growing closer every day. "We will fall upon them like a thunderbolt," he said, as he squeezed the woman's breast. - Victarion I, ADWD

<3

Marry - Salladhor Saan

This is a no brainer. Every second spent together would be a gift. I'd tell him to take the garbage outside, and he'd come back at me with,

"Must you persist with your ceaseless nagging about the trash? You are no true wife, I am thinking. Tell me, woman, where are my moments of respite?"

And I wouldn't be able to stop laughing.

Kill - Euron Greyjoy

Self-preservation. I'm killing him before he can kill me.