#nexomon ghosts

[tulipsnflowers]

Wherever someone sees this Nexomon, a sad whistling sound can be heard. Its inexpressive face gives it an even more frightening visage.

Hi everyone I'm trying to draw some Ghost types! First up, Cranillow

[ghosts-of-aurelia]

"The Bird of I'll Omen". It brings misfortune every time it hoots

[nayvwriter]

My New Ghost Type Theory

(Nexomon Extinction Spoilers)

(Lots of images in this post, but the text should hopefully explain the key features of them well enough?)

So if you've been on nexomon tumblr for a while, you've probably seen either me or @tulipsnflowers talking about ghost type theories.

If you haven't, the background is this: every type in Nexomon 1 has at least one Primordial Tyrant attached. This is no longer the case by Nexomon Extinction.

The Ghost-type doesn't have one. But Ghost and Psychic both appeared between games. If you go by the headcanon that the rest of the types appeared when a Primordial Tyrant of that type was made, what happened to create the Ghost-type? We have several theories, many of which are… Somewhat unlikely. I've come up with another one. Bear with me.

So I was looking into Nexomon types. Looking for patterns, mostly. Didn't really expect to find any.

Have a couple of diagrams of the types in Nexomon 1, what beats what.

Nice and neat. Also there are so many rock-paper-scissors style triangles (I count five?)

N2 is… less neat. Here's a diagram with them in a circle by birth order.

I swear this is going somewhere. You'll notice that I've put Ghost before Psychic and after Electric for lack of better ideas, and Normal just off to the side because it's weird.

Do you notice that there's almost a circle around the outside?

If we remove Ghost, it looks like this. Excluding the break between Psychic (last) and Mineral (first) which is only there for visibility reasons (this might as well be a line)… This has a circle around the outside, with almost every type beating the previous one in a fight. The ones that don't are weak to (Nara, both sides) or mutually effective (Psychic and Electric).

So what if you make it an entire circle?

If you try and make it an entirely anticlockwise circle with all of the nine types, you end up with this nonsense, which makes no sense.

This is because including Normal messes everything up. I promise I know where I'm going with this.

If you just ignore Normal and try and make a circle including Ghost, then there's one particular place it goes. Between Wind and Fire.

Ignore Normal being awkwardly at the top I will explain that later.

Point is. Look! A (broken) circle! Mostly anticlockwise, with types beating the types before them, other than Psychic and both sides of Plant. But why would this mean anything? Ghost couldn't possibly be there…

Could it?

This is about where I remember a very specific line in Nexomon Extinction.

I forgot to screenshot it on my playthrough, so I screenshotted a youtube video.

Fenrir calls himself the third son of Omnicron. Not third child. Third son. So unless Nadine is transgender… who was the second?

(Realistically this is probably a mistake on the developer's part. However.)

Bear with me a second… what if Omnicron made his children's types deliberately, always trying to create a stronger type? One that could beat the previous type? That explains why the circle is mostly anticlockwise. It explains why Psychic doesn't entirely fit, because Solus wasn't a child of Omnicron. It explains Normal, because Metta had all of their powers, making versatility his strength, so that's why he wasn't specifically stronger.

(Another fun thing about that theory is that it raises the possibility Nara deliberately made Solus's type weak to her own. Just in case.)

It doesn't explain why Nara doesn't fit. So let me show you this.

Mineral, Wind, Ghost, Fire, Water, Electric, Plant, Normal.

I've put Ghost in between Wind and Fire, and Plant after Electric.

The broken circle is entirely anticlockwise now. Omnicron trying to make a stronger type again and again, finishing with Metta who could command them all… What if this was how it went?

In this situation, assuming Mysterious Ghost Child is male, Fenrir is the third son of Omnicron. Merida is still the fifth child of Omnicron, and Zetta still the sixth. Nara's shifted position, but the only one who told us of Nara's position was Deena, and we know Deena's not against lying…

So the obvious question is – what happened to the ghost? Answer: Omnicron happened. Omnicron might have been a bit nervous about a child who could beat his own type. And one way or another, it all came to a head. And Omnicron banished his child directly to the Netherworld, removing their type from existence.

After this, the Children of Omnicron don't talk about their lost sibling. Hence why Fenrir calls himself third child of Omnicron at some point – he's pretending his ghost brother didn't exist. Merida and Zetta don't go quite that far, though. And Deena never actually states her position in n1 – she does say Omnicron had seven children, but she could also be pretending he didn't exist.

This has the effect of making humanity put the pieces together and figure Nara must have been fourth. Deena, by n2, just sort of shrugs. Let's Go With That. She is not an information-sharer and she is not explaining her second-oldest brother.

Mysterious Ghost Type, meanwhile, escaped from the Netherworld when Blue broke in, and that's why the Ghost type is back in n2.

Another thing this could explain is who Ziegler's prisoner is? Because he doesn't seem to be assigned one, in n1. It's vaguely implied it could be the protagonist, but I don't think that works. Of course, he could just not have one, but if he did maybe it was this ghost Primordial.

There are a few timing questions here – when was the ghost-type brother banished? And… does Metta know about all this? He could not know if he was born after Ghost was banished.

So yeah. It's quite an out-there theory, but it works.

I have more thoughts on this (like the fact Fenrir and this guy probably know each other somehow) and also a design (thank you Tulip) and I think a name? Umbra, from Latin for shadow. But I've rambled for quite long enough now. I hope this made sense!

[player-1]

Long Cat Stretching Her Way To Success

(Reference pic below)

[the-fengverse]

Meet Novi!

Meet Novi, my Legendary Tamer oc in Nexomon: Extinction! :D

(left-finished ver, right- official (top), Gacha (bottom right), and sketch (bottom left)

Her character sheet will be up (hopefully) by tomorrow!

[somepunaboutspace]

They say that the beast is attracted to the scent of dread and fear the lost feel when close to drawing their last breath

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Drew the tyrant boy

[tulipsnflowers]

@call-of-the-wayward-wolf Pst

Decided that Nexomon needed a fun prompt list and I'm here to deliver that month long list introducing:

Nexovember

This list is free for anyone to use

[demonlordcosnime]

lets play nexomon extinction part 11

[bogleech]

How do you like Nexomon. The second game is funny and the third game was just announced as 3D.

It's another one where the art style is very good, but very few of the monsters speak to both my conceptual and visual tastes. There closest one is the mosquito:

I also like the grudge ghost:

Some other really good ones:

It's just another of those monster games where all the designs are a little *too* cool I guess.

[wallflowerlovesfrogs]

So I’ve gotten a little bit farther in the game (currently in Lydia’s village chasing after her mad dragon). The lore hasn’t all clicked together yet but I think it will soon(?) and then I will finally understand why this poor mute child protagonist is wanted by bandits and was given a Tyrant egg.

Also shoutout to Fenrir, I was surprised to see him in Extinction. Are the others trapped in shrines too, I wonder?

He’s so pissy at the past protagonist too it’s hilarious. I want to reunite the ghosts and watch them bicker.

I have been avoiding the channels marked as spoiler in the Nexomon discord (and tbh the discord as a whole) until I beat the game and am able to safely enter without immediately being bombarded by late game knowledge.

Also, DRAGONS. I love ‘em. They all look so cool and I caught a wind type nexomon that I think is a smaller dragon.

[glitchven]

NO CAUSE HE WAS LOVECRAFITIAN HORROR

In the Intro to N1 HES LITERALLY INTRODUCED TO US AS THIS

(Not my screenshots theyre from Gym leader ed on yt)

HE DOESNT LOOK LIKE A FLUFFY WOLF HES A BEAST OF HORRORS MADE OUT OF THICK BLACK SMOKE!!!!!!

The only time hes shown as his main appearence (this)

Is during the events of the actual N1 game, AFTER hes revived

Thats literally the version of Omnicron Ulzhar was fighting hes right there in the pic

Something that I've been wondering for a little while recently is if Omnicron was supposed to look more like a lovecraftian horror, or something along those lines. I haven't played Nexomon 1 in 2 years so I'm just going off what other people have said and the wiki, but iirc, Omnicron is a creature from an entirely different dimension, yet he just looks like a wolf with some fantasy elements? Either way I find the idea of Omnicron to be, similarly to Cthulu for example, something *humans aren't supposed to see*, very interesting. Omnicron is essentially the Nexomon God, don't you think human people seeing him would be something almost forbidden, to the point their brains can barely even comprehend it? Do you think that some of the oldest Nexomon species, because of Omnicron being lovecraftian and sharing his genes, also looked incomprehensible and horrific, but over the span of hundreds of years the more Nexomon became the way they are in the games because of selective human breeding, evolution and adaptation to the environment? Idk maybe this is a better idea for some kind of horror au

[tulipsnflowers]

Do you gang wanna do this? Inspired by @1-nexomon-a-day 's thing

Do I think I'll get 9 comments? No but let's try

[ghosts-of-aurelia]

Sketch page: Deyam

[player-1]

Me, being hit with a late night brainwave: -I know for sure that the N1 protag has a canon name, I know I saw it from one of the concept/teaser/release trailers, but I can't figure out where! I've already combed through in from the official channel and I can't find it! I know his name is perpetually blank in Extinction cause it's a completely different game (and devs just leaving it up to interpretation), of course he's the nameless hero cause he's never mentioned by name in his own game too (though it's extra funny that the Micromon protag had their name mentioned more than five times), but still! I know I don't want to look for the official Discord channel to get it from the big man himself, but I know it exists, believe me!!

[tulipsnflowers]

I'm spreading my propaganda!!!

That's what I thought for a bit until I gave myself a counter argument:

He's still a normal type which makes - little sense. If anyone was supposed to be Ghost it should be this guy and not Titan - Why is Titan a ghost type again?? It's a good theory and one I accept - just not something I myself go by unforuntely. If only it was so easy As for ghosts effecting it - That's one of the working ones. But again, only if ghosts don't exist in n3 - I'm hesitant And yeah Omnicron's soul probably broke a LOT, which is why I have that one 'Ghost is just normal disappearing' and stuff

I'm sorry if I'm too negative, I accept all of those as solutions! Just giving my two cents. If anything I'm upset at JV. He had a simple solution RIGHT THERE

(nexomon spoilers) new ghost type theory dropped

so I didn't used to think too much about the typing system, but then I heard certain people (Tulip) talking about how the ghost type might have come into being and uh. Thought too hard, this happened.

If I remember correctly, the last time you see Ziegler in n1 he's normal type and it's before everyone escapes the netherworld and Omnicron's soul is destroyed. When you see Ziegler in n2 he's ghost type, and - well - ghost types exist.

so this is extremely handwavey, but what if those two events were connected? what if ghost types were to do with the actual netherworld?

The reason this is handwavey, of course, is that it's hardly the first revival. Five children of Omnicron were resurrected before n1 begins. There's a few ways to solve this.

One is to assume they were all resurrected just before n1 and the typing system hasn't caught up yet. I think this might make sense, given that my personal headcanon is that types come about by type energy affecting the local Nexomon, so it would have to have some amount of time rather than be an instant switch.

Two is to point out the above 'type energy theory' and the fact that we have a lot of ghosts hanging around for the millenium between n1 and n2 and hey maybe that did something. (But this just leads me right back to my 'I blame Hilda' theory unless there's a major difference between ghosts and Hilda's wisps. I'm not convinced this one makes sense.)

And three is to assume that it's got something to do with the destruction of Omnicron's soul. Because as I said in my Ziegler post, that hasn't happened before! Maybe it broke something.

@anacharafan resident nexomon type expert, thoughts?

[crystalelemental]

Here's another fun thought: how do Nexomon reproduce?

Nexomon arrived with the advent of Omnicron, the king of monsters. He birthed seven children, the Primordial Tyrants, who in turn birthed the myriad Nexomon that humans would go on to domesticate. That's our origin story.

So where's mom?

Assuming that Nexomon reproduce similarly to humans, Omnicron should've had a mate. Yet he's the only Nexomon in the world, and birthed seven children. It could, in theory, be a human, which explains why his children can transform into a human form but he can't. But this also seems really unlikely. Even setting aside the issue of anti-human sentiments he holds, to the point of aiming for complete eradication...what's the cutoff? Other Nexomon can't turn human, but his direct kids can. But also so can Solus, but not any of their other children. So like. How's that supposed to work? There's also not an indication that Omnicron cannot turn human, perhaps he just won't.

Additionally, we have the issue of Solus. If we assume Nexomon have similar reproduction to humans, as far as mixing genes and all that, Nara's plan is...risky business. There's no guarantee her kid would come out strong enough to be the next sovereign. So either she has a lot of kids we don't know about that failed, or the act of reproduction is very different.

We do know there are eggs. Even outside of our fake one, Fenrir comments on giving power to Mulcimer as an egg to help him hatch. So egg laying is definitely part of the process. What's interesting about this comment is that it implies how something like Solus would be made. Mulcimer can't happen naturally. There's not a species marker for it, and that kind of variance doesn't seem to happen, given that every single instance of, say, Dinja, is exactly the same (Cosmic forms notwithstanding). For Nexomon to shift forms, something presumably has to make them do it.

The Primordial Tyrants can imbue power into something smaller to create a Tyrant, similar to the process of making Mulcimer. Presumably, they have to be aligned to the element already, or it wouldn't work, though this isn't necessarily the case. The form of the creature that hatches also changes dramatically. There isn't really anything else that looks like Mulcimer or Nivalis or the other Tyrants, that shares their type. There's also the tidbit they mention that giving imbuing power costs something of themselves, even as ghosts.

But, type change has to occur. How else do we go from the Normal Omnicron to a child of each element. And how do you get exactly one of each, if it worked like typical reproduction? There should be too much variance. To create his children, Omnicron likely shaped the powers each would wield. Which means there's control over what comes out, if you know how to manipulate it.

All that to say, it's not a 1:1 asexual reproduction either. It's not a copy offspring. It may start that way, but it can be changed somehow, likely by manipulating the powers within the egg. The question is how far that manipulation can be stretched. Which leads to the big twist:

In all these situations above, what is created is weaker. Omnicron was stronger than the Primordial Tyrants, the new Tyrants are weaker than the Primordial ones, and the general Nexomon are the weakest of all. None of them create something stronger from their egg. Except for Nara.

Solus goes against this entirely, and is not only stronger than her mother, but is an entirely new type. The Primordial Tyrants exist as manifestations of the world's features; Psychic and Ghost developed after the fact. Which...also implies some variance to the base Nexomon as well. To say nothing of Fane, a Ghost-type Tyrant that, as far as we know, never received any kind of power infusion from the Primordials. So how did all of that happen?

Interesting thing to note: we see older Nexomon again in Precursor Valley, but they're changed (Except Mandrass, who is thus implicitly the Pinnacle of Nexomon Evolution). Enough time took place that these species had small evolutionary changes, but Gemeen is still Gemeen. There's nothing that changes the species, but can change its looks for adaptation. None of them are Psychic or Ghost. Which implies that, grand scheme, those types are a more recent phenomenon.

To make it even more confusing, then there's Maraudin. Which is an entirely different species, and a descendant form of Hobyn. A weak little baby bird, who...evolved into a stronger thing. Somehow.

By and large this is positing questions with no answer. I don't know that they devs really thought all about this stuff. But I do have some thoughts to apply.

Small evolutionary changes are the result of natural causes. Big evolutionary changes happen because someone messed with an egg.

However, it may be possible for bigger changes to occur depending on what happened to the egg. If Nexomon do reproduce sexually, did Hobyn crossbreed with another Nexomon type to create Maraudin?

In that case, Psychic and Ghost could be manifestations of particular interactions. For example, Psychic, given its odd traits of "Strong against everything strong against it, resistant to everything resistant to it," could be due to complementary, non-interacting types. So for example, Plant and Mineral. They have no type interactions at all, and thus a blend of Plant and Mineral Nexomon could result in Psychic. Ghost would be the inverse; two types that do really poorly together, such as Fire and Water. The conflicting elements may result in an adaptation that causes them to not quite be aligned to the living when they pop out, resulting in Ghosts.

But there is another answer, that also explains the only odd type matchup Psychic has: its weakness to Plant.

Primordial Tyrants can imbue their power into an egg to ascend it beyond its original species, creating Tyrants. To create a being stronger than herself, Nara would have had to imbue her own power into that egg, but would likely need more than just her own strength, especially to account for the type change to something that didn't exist. But Solus also happens later than other Psychics. And without a Primordial of that type to create them, Psychic had to come from somewhere. Ghost too, but Ghost has Fane, whose origins are unknown. Maybe it was after, but maybe it was before.

And what if it was before? If Ghost is the absence of life, then technically, it still falls under the jurisdiction of someone who commands life force. And considering Psychic's absurd overpowered status, having nothing that can beat it that it can't also beat, and nothing that stops it that it cannot also stop...wouldn't it make sense for that type to be created specifically for Solus? If Solus happens after the type, then possibly, the type was created as a test run. Make something that's stronger than the other types, that can bring them to heel with force as needed. You can't jump straight to the Tyrant, so you test it on something smaller first, blending those life energies inside an egg to see if you can produce something different. But in case that something goes rogue, you'd need to be able to keep it in check. And so its only real weakness...is your type. If nothing else, you'll be able to reign them in. And thus you get the Psychics.

But that energy has to come from somewhere. Imbuing power doesn't come from nothing. So you siphon away life energy from something else, and produce a ghost. Maybe Fane is what it is, because they were a Tyrant whose energies were fed to Solus' egg. What better to power the Sovereign of Tyrants than another Tyrant? What if these types were made as another part of Nara's plans?

The siphoning life energy out seems distinctly against Nara's typical way, given she's still upset by the Mandrass. But Ghosts are "alive" by some definition. They exist in physical space, and it's not like Plant, the associated essence of life, has no effect on them. So that could be dismissed as Nara not really doing anything but manipulating type and life state. It's not entirely outside the realm of possibility. Nara cherishes life, but she's willing to get her hands dirty when it comes to Solus and preventing the absolute extinction of her species.

"Do you believe, like, any of this?" I 'unno. I'm just vomiting ideas while under the Vaguely Sick condition.