#narzissenkreuz spoilers

[avibero]

had to get some stupid Narzissenkreuz stuff out of my system

[nonbinarysucrose]

LAST BIG NARZISSENKREUZ ORDO WORLD QUEST SPOILERS

Alain. hey. Hey. Alain. can we talk. can we talk for a sec.

"It can only be inferred that something was built."

I'm sure it's purely coincidental that the mysterious character that we only know has something to do with meka looks exactly like the at one point presumed dead sister of THE meka guy ever :)

[aroacenezhaanddainsleif]

[turtlespancakeart]

the narzissenkreuz quartet is sooooo normal you guys trust me

[aaaa-aaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Hey guys what the hell.

[shinjiroaragaki]

I am so unwell about them

[solns]

WHAT HAPPENED TO CATERPILLER AFTER THE PURSUIT QUEST??? WHERE DID HE GO AFTER TALKING TO LANOIRE ON HER BIRTHDAY? ;-; cater is like the only one without any proper closure. i was deadass rly worried seeing him in the book of revelations for some reason. and who the fuck is the dog??? i thought it was supposed to be a disguised rifthound but... what did that log next to the sunflower mean? do we get a follow up quest in the next patch or are we just never gonna know...?

[out-of-context-genshin]

[ironunderstands]

Oh dear

I’m going to have to do the Ordo quest soon because what in the ever loving fuck is this???!

so like, with negative context and the reading comprehension skills of a genshin player, I am going to assume what those note means is:

“Ajax” is not only a character from a play that Childe’s parents named him after, but an actual person, and Childe in a previous samsara (I’m assuming the story about this particular Ajax is innaccurate to his actual life, and was changed so that the important information about it couldn’t be erased by Irminsul, like scaras memories being turned into a fairytale by Nahida so they also couldn’t be erased).

”to forsake the self and sink into the abyss” now I feel as though Childe’s past lives did it in that order, forsaking themselves THEN heading into the abyss, and that’s perhaps why they all failed and were only ever the second strongest warrior. However Childe first on accident feel into the abyss and THEN forsook himself, specifically by giving up his childhood dreams of becoming an adventurer. Perhaps by unintentionally fucking up this ritual will Childe finally succeed in this life and become a “primordial human” (which is a very Childe victory good on him).

“not all that comes from beyond may be as one that ‘decends’, That title belongs only to wills that can rival the entire world” now this could explain why the Narwhal isn’t a decender; it’s not from Teyvat but it’s only real motivation is to eat things so it might not be important enough to be put on the list?? This line also implies that there are plenty of other things that have arrived on Teyvat that aren’t decenders becauss they didn’t have a strong enough will. Maybe it could explain why the sibling isn’t in irminusls records as a decender? Perhaps their will doesn’t just rival but completely overcome the world, and they are so encompassing in their convictions that irminsul can’t even record them? I feel like that last interpretation of mine is kind of stupid but honestly the sibling not being recorded will forever baffle me until we get answers.

The person who wrote this’s goal seems to be to become a primordial human, who’s will rivals the entire world just like decenders, and once they entirely forsake themselves and achieve this will be capable of protecting, sustaining, destroying and creating the world (causing the samsara’s maybe?

Now in Greek mythology, Pan is a god of the wilderness, and Io is one of the many humans Zeus’s went after, if you replace the “That which lies beneath the great sea” in the line of the first sentence with what the Scholar suggests it also means, the line becomes “Io, Io, Pan, that which primordial human!” So, this implies that Io and Pan are primordial humans and lie beneath the great sea (primordial sea?), and are perhaps some of the original people/gods/creators/something of Tevyvat that depending on how you enterpret the line. They could a) literally be the primordial sea themselves if you interpret the great sea as not being the primordial sea and in fact just being normal water, which we know the PS lies under. b) The great sea is the primordial sea and they are somehow under it for whatever reason. This particular part is somehow even more confusing than the already confusing rest of it.

a (bad) attempt to piece it together; Childe in his past lives as Ajax intentionally (although we don’t know of his own volition or not, personally on the way the like reads it sounds like he was forced to) tried to forsake himself and sink into the abyss in order to become a primordial human/holy infant. In doing so with the incredible power of these beings (like Io and Pan which we will probably learn more about), however in some capacity he failed each time in each different life considering its a) referred to as a ‘tragedy’ b) he was only the second strongest warrior of his alliance and primordial humans/holy infants seem world endingly strong based in the last sentence c) even with irminsul bullshit you would think we would hear more of this Ajax or see some of the insane shit he would have accomplisher had he succeeded. Therefore, I think Childe in this Samsara was also dragged into it, however since he didn’t first forsake himself, THEN get dragged into the abyss, it appeared not to work (perhaps it swallowed him for that reason). However, maybe the way this scholar thinks the way primordial humans work and are made is wrong, and Childe still has the potential to be one (because of his connection to the Narwhal, the abyssal taint and FL), and also because he’s Childe, this man never backs down. So, I think the real reason he’s a Harbinger is because the Tsarista is somehow aware of this potential and wishes to use it against Celestia, maybe with the help of the gnoses.

The whole “death of the self -> primordial human” pipeline is really interesting to me, and I don’t think it’s going to happen; at least for Childe’s case considering his agency is the only thing he truly has. Considering how alienated he is, and this games themes of divinity vs humanity, perhaps the way he will become a primordial human is by embracing who he truly is rather than erasing it, and that’s the reason why past Ajax’s failed, they attempted to erase themselves not realizing that was the key to becoming a primordial human

So yeah, this was probably a mess to read and I am most likely very, very wrong. However I am very excited to eventually look back on this when I am finished with the Ordo quests and hopefully have this note make more sense. I would greatly appreciate any and all of your own explanations/interpretarions as this was very confusing. I really hope I’m correct about primordial humans NOT being made by the death of the self, as that would a) be boring and erase everything I like about Childe; himself b) “primordial human” as a phrase implies the root of humanity and our selves are very important to that, you don’t have a human without a self (perhaps primordial humans are seen as a blank slate; however it’s hard to imagine a will without a self). Ultimately, I’m so excited to see where this goes

[angee1011]

I finished up the Fontaine world quests last night and wtf was going on with Elynas and Jakob and the fucking Narzissenkreuz???? I’m really interested to see where this ends up going especially in Mary Ann’s case.. I’m also still pissing enigmatic pages for that damn book.

There was a lot of weird shit going on and honestly I’m just impressed by Genshin’s ability to continue to make me question everything

[zinnia--0]

energy using elemental force?

this is a very dangerous passage; what if people started thinking about trying to use visions as a source of energy since it can be used to channel elemental energy and is powered by a person's will?

— from rene's investigation notes

it doesn't really help that fontaine is facing a huge power crisis right now. 🤷‍♀️

[nonbinarysucrose]

LAST BIG NARZISSENKREUZ ORDO WORLD QUEST SPOILERS

UNAUTHORISED FUCKING THING BLOW IT UP NOW

like. what do you MEAN he just. came along after the traveler beat him??? that was so surreal not at all what I suspected

[turtlespancakeart]

I'm so glad nothing bad has happened to them ever :)

[blauequuleus]

Y’all ‘The Narzissenkreuz Adventure’ quest in Fontaine is a Month Python and the Holy Grail reference. They even put in the “help help I’m being repressed” joke

[purpleheroine]

[solns]

the music is so ominous but jakob made her an honorary member cuz they enjoy the scones and cookies 😭 tf that's adorable haha