#mysogynoir in fandom

[jacki-daytona]

I have such a tiny following but um hi friends I don’t wanna lose the gay men in this fandom because of shitty people please can we make sure they know we value them and their contribution to fandom? I also don’t wanna lose the black women, men and non binary friends because this can be a hostile space for them. Um. Drop into their asks with a love letter? Find them and reblog their takes? Fandom is a shitty echo chamber when it’s just us white women - queer or not, let’s not pretend that being queer makes us above having shitty and harmful opinions!!

Ps: Tag me if anyone wants me to fight for them, I got all day and a passion for fandom inclusion.

I mean it, I’m here for you.

[afrofairysblog]

I know it's old news, but it still STANDS!!!

sofia wylie is an incredibly talented actress and performer that has been giving amazing monologues and acting performances like she gave in gina’s goodbye speech in 4x08 since forever and instead of appreciating her for that and also appreciating how far her singing has improved since s1 (when she’s never been a singer) half this fandom consistently tries to dim her light and overshadow her because they cannot let go of a Certain actress and a Certain real life relationship they still obsess over to this day. any time without fail she gets shine whether it be a performance of hers or a scene with ricky as character they come out of the woodworks talking about they miss olivia and it could have been her. every time she has a big scene and/or duet as gina with ricky they constantly bring up a duet or scene between rini and talk about how nothing can compare when we All know they’re talking about that certain real life relationship and not the actual characters; especially because the only scene they ever talk about is ricky’s confession and that’s because they’re obsessed with the fact it was improvised bc of that certain real life relationship.

and then they’ll pretend they like sofia and their comments aren’t in bad faith when it happens constantly in so many ways and has been since s1 (trying to convince people that joshua didn’t like her and sending her hate for liking rina being examples). they’ll get mad at you when you tell them to stop spamming every video of hers that has to do with hsmtmts that she “looks like olivia rodrigo” by saying it’s not that deep and it’s a compliment. would you want your comment section obnoxiously filled with how you look like someone else and that be the only thing they focus on? and we all know whenever they try to weirdly say it about gina they really just are trying to think of her as nini because they can’t let go of That relationship.

i love hsmtmts but one of the reasons i’m glad it’s ended is so sofia can eventually move on to a show or movie that doesn’t have a fandom (and unprofessional journalists and news outlets like entertainment weekly who literally is cutting her out of videos and the daily beast with their terrible s4 reviews) that is constantly trying to dim her light.

[jewishdainix]

Btw if your analysis of the reaction in the epic fandom to calypso doesn't talk about the mysogynoir in the fandom affects how people view and interpret her it is worthless

[caatws]

The sad thing about woc and shipping is that I've seen characters called aggressive, pushy, predatory and the list goes on just for showing any interest in male characters. Most often when dealing with white male characters. I'm certain if the roles were different there would be tons of hate towards Gam laced with mysogynoir if people tried putting her with the male lead after what happened.

That's if even half the same amount of people saw fit to do so. The degree to which people insist characters like her need to be alone, are too strong for a relationship, aren't seen as attractive enough, feminine enough and the list goes on is so pervasive. The way this is reflected in real life is also pervasive. Then it often runs into different kinds of love, support and how we routinely undervalue some women. It can influence reactions to when some women are hurt or killed which I think parallels reactions to Gam. I do think there's enough information out there today to easily understand this on at least some level.

This is why I can't love the movie as much as I'd like too. There are too many ways it treated Gam with a disregard for her death and who she is now. It kept her from experiencing the love of a family the whole trilogy is about. This was the last movie and many characters barely spoke to her. I can't ignore that she went from a lead to sidelined after being vital for 3 appearancs. She ended her arc with less connection to what was going on than a tree, more minor character like Kraglin and even a dog got to celebrate Christmas. By the time credits were done rolling every character got to be on the team but her.

you're so valid anon. it's crazy how the gotg franchise has managed to give a certain humanity to characters like rocket and groot consistently that i feel like it's lacking with original gamora...like the dignity of just having a complete arc at all

so much of my feelings toward the treatment and reception of gamora is just an extension of what i've felt and observed in fandom, but especially mcu fandom, for years. the way there will be thousands upon thousands of fics for two white male characters who've never met, hardly interacted, or have barely anything in common, yet literal crumbs for fics showing natasha and gamora meeting and finding common ground. the way yelena has existed in mcu canon as nat's sister for not even 2 years yet the yelena & nat tag has already blown the gamora & nebula tag out of the water on ao3 (~1600 fics and 365 fics, respectively)

like i get it, the gotg were never going to be as popular as the avengers in fandom or whatever, but still it's just. kinda wild to me LMAO. and even if you just look in avengers fandom works alone, there's a clear racial bias there already—i mean, just look at the popularity of something like st*ve/b*cky compared to rhodey/tony, who have pretty comparable, longterm friendships, yet one is Infinitely more popular as a romantic ship than the other, and i wonder why.... so add that already present racial bias in with gotg being less popular and gamora having the misfortune of being both a woman and a poc. Well. the math sure maths, don't it

[ambelle]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1pP9NcdGcpv2qPOFoKHJmp?si=PIXT-UEaSim9-uiEbiH8WA

We cover season 4 casting news , Dick and Kory as a couple and individuals, the dismissal of Kom and Mar’i by the fandom, and more

[planetsam]

The timing of this is not what I was expecting, but I swore that if I got back into writing for Roswell I was going to make this post. I’ve struggled with the question of by creating content for a fandom that has a lot of racism and toxicity in it, I am helping to support it? I think the answer is yes. The very least I can do is acknowledge that and try to help bring about change. I think the show is written in a racist way but we can do better than falling into that trap. After all, isn’t that the point of fan fiction? 

Honestly I can only come at this from my perspective, there are a lot of aspects of this that I can never understand. Below are a bunch of links to articles on mysogynoir, which is something I see again and again but is especially prevalent in this fandom. If you enjoy my work, I hope you take a moment to read some of them. The first two are from 2016 but focus on the black female characters in Carina’s earlier shows. Being aware is the first step, but it’s not enough. We can do better. 

This is a great article on misogynoir that lays out what mysogynoir is and how it is on the cw: https://comicsverse.com/culture-black-girl-tragic-misogynoir-cw/

This is a more general article but has a lot of familiar fandoms we all know in it: https://stitchmediamix.com/2019/01/28/what-fandom-racism-looks-like-misogynoir-convenient-excuses/ 

This is a great post made by a tvd fan about how the show could change the way it treats its black female lead, I think it highlights the kind of insidious racism we need to be aware of so we can stop: https://bonneibennett.tumblr.com/post/120122227710/5-simple-ways-the-vampire-diaries-can-treat-bonnie

This is fanlore’s article on race and fandom: https://fanlore.org/wiki/Race_and_Fandom It links a lot of excellent articles but this is one I would suggest reading: https://www.blackenterprise.com/the-power-of-black-women-in-fandom/

[jacki-daytona]

911 fandom listen to gay men challenge.

Get it together people we’ve got a 911 fandom listen to black women challenge coming up and I DONT WANT TO BE LATE.