#muh muh it's to infantilize him muh muh
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Yeah. exactly
Abraham probably used to call Alucard "my boy" (when he wasn't torturing him)
#this is very funny#muh muh it's to infantilize him muh muh#maybe abraham's just a nerd#and also a huge asshole he's one of the characters I want to beat up that's not millenium#out of pure vibes and spite
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6 for Elden Ring, 12 for Bloodborne, 13 for Dark Souls
Link to the choose violence ask meme!
https://www.tumblr.com/yekokataa/715676686182711296/choose-violence-ask-game?source=share
6- Which ship fans are the most annoying? i dont really Interact with the shipping part of the fandom because even if i am a shipper at heart i tend to have mainly niche ships LOL. But def fin/lenia. I think the ship is cool, but alas, like every cool yuri ship, it has Those fans that will tear you apart like the Maenads did with Pentheus if you don't ship them. I also just. Really do not like melina/tarnished or ranni/tarnished fans that chickify them to the extreme. Ranni is a princess she would NOT cook for her husband
12- The unpopular character that you actually like and why more people should like them
Ok the tables have been turning in the last year but def Gehrman LMAO. Like. Ok. Dollcourse or whatever but the fact that fans just straight up characterize him as Humbert Humbert for having a mourning doll of Maria to the point of saying "he groomed her since she was a child" while there is a grand total of 0 information pointing towards this is headhold worthy. And like. The construction of the doll isnt even his worse act he committed a GENOCIDE for fucks sake and yet he's demonized for infantilizing maria or whatever lol. He can have depth aside from that. Misogynistic characters can have other traits outside of that. This is a dark fantasy cosmic horror game you are a fan of. You can do better i believe in you
Aside from that real!Iosefka. She is characterized yet again as the victimish waifu which makes her BORING. Especially since there are hints she is not as saintly as she seems (she was likely associated with mensis as we find her blood vial there and she had a pit of dead bodies behind her clininc). But alas. Female character that is remotely kind to the hunter so she needs to be waifu-fied
13- Worst blorbofication Ok don't kill me but. Solaire
I *like* him and dont think he is a monster or whatever, but it does get annoying keeping getting blasted with "sunbro" and "he's the bestest character ever in the trilogy" while there are way more interesting npcs. I also really dont like how some people on reddit are fixated on sulyvahn being a just and brave revolutionary leader that was on the side of humanity and everything he did to the royal family including rape and feeding an alive man to a cannibal was justified because "fuck muh gods they took away the possibility for humans to shine"
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listen i get your frustration about how people treat jack, i hate when people reducd him down to just a destiel baby too. but as an autistic person myself, i really disagree with you calling people that like baby jack ableist. he's canonically 4 years old and had to have his childhood basically stripped away from him due to how dangerous it was. i don't think people enjoying the thought of him getting to have that chance at a happy childhood is as cruel and evil as you seem to think.
hi, I’m actually going to answer this differently than I did at first, because I feel like I missed the point and spent way too much time on the canon logistics of “giving Jack a childhood that he chose to skip and is never shown to want,” or that he’s actually pretty obviously portrayed as a teenager in the show, or that his character fundamentally revolves around autonomy & the struggle to have it, and not enough on the actual ableism. I’m also going to be a lot meaner this time, sorry.
honestly, you don’t get my frustrations. you don’t get that this isn’t some petty fandom drama about “muh fav being misunderstood” or “grr this content bad.” you don’t get my frustration if you think that’s all there is to any of this. this is something with an actual bearing on reality and the entire topic of representation in general, which you’d get if you took your head out of your ass and looked around for once. autistic people are still immensely underrepresented and misrepresented in most mainstream media. we are still seen and treated as circus animals, as punchlines, as lesser humans if not subhumans, and we have to face that alongside navigating a world that is wholly and systemically unnavigable to us. fiction and fandoms are an escape for many people, but especially marginalized people who long for community and representation.
the autistic community has a pretty long history of resonating with nonhuman characters in fiction over time, from robots to aliens to monsters in horror movies. because whether it’s their mannerisms or specific struggles or even narrative experiences, they resonate with us. jack resonates with us. he’s important to us as autistic people—and namely, as autistic adults who very rarely see ourselves represented in ways that don’t depict us as gross man-children, infantilized precious beans or emotionless geniuses. in fact, the very notion that autistic people are inherently childlike or mentally children directly leads into our sole representation being children, and even more into the treatment of us as “precious small beans.” does that ring any fucking bells to you yet?
jack might not have been intentionally written with autism or representation on mind, but this fandom literally builds itself up on coding and unintentional implications. he was also confirmed to be autistic anyways, so anyone still whining should just grow the fuck up about it. also, ironically, most accidentally autistic characters end up being the best kind lmao. but these discussions? these analyses by autistic fans —and even just fans who actually care about his complexities — only exist within our own little circles, and the idea of baby!jack is very much the fandom’s steadfastly going mainstream version of him—so much so that people are convinced it’s actually canon, they die on that hill like it’s some obligation to uphold. and any viewing of his canon character with nuance or complexity, or even his basic personality, is left to gather dust. it stops becoming people having fun when it’s over-saturating and supersedes actual canon. it stops becoming people having fun when it’s actually fucking harmful.
it’s frustrating as a general fan, but downright upsetting as an autistic fan who sees themself in him and has to witness every fucking day — in a community that prides itself on being a big found family no less — the infantilization of traits I and other autistic people express, and the stubborn justification of him being “actually a toddler” with even more autistic traits. There are literal scraps of canon adult Jack content to engage with; of any semi-intelligent thoughts on him to indulge in.
what you don’t get (or you refuse to get) that there is a direct correlation between all of this, the way jack is treated (ie ‘reduced to a destiel baby’) and the ableist infantilization surrounding his character. as in, this content directly feeds into his treatment, which then feeds back into the content made of him, which then feeds back again into his treatment in a horrible and exhausting cycle.
what you don’t get is that constantly regurgitating content where the baseline is jack being actively stripped of his identity and autonomy for the sake of becoming an accessory to Destiel/Sastiel/the Domestic Winchester Family is inherently rooted in layers of deep ableist rhetoric, and you can perpetuate all of that even without any intent for it. I’m not a fucking moron, and I’m not the big bad guy you’re talking to me like. I don’t think anyone who enjoys baby!jack is inherently “cruel” or “evil,” or turning jack into a baby while thinking “this’ll stick one to those retards,” and twirling their moustache, okay? and it’s really so funny to me that you’re trying to point the finger back at me. at least you tried.
what you don’t get is that whenever autistic fans voice our perspective on baby!jack, we’re fucking ignored. we’re fed the same rotten slop over and over and over again. “But we want him to be happy!” “But it’s an AU, it’s not canon!” “But he actually is a baby because XYZ!” “But, but!” Buts are not an argument, they’re the thing you still haven’t found a way to pull your heads out of. maybe the lack of oxygen from so many people in one small dark space is why you’re so fucking stubborn to understand this.
you wanna know what is cruel? being told that you are doing something hurtful, something harmful and something that painfully reflects real life struggles a real community goes through, and shrugging it off. being aware of the value something brings to someone else, and stripping it away simply because it doesn’t matter to you personally. finding another But or a corner-cut to excuse yourself from blame. you didn’t have the decency to listen when general fans said “hey this is kind of annoying can we treat him like an actual person,” and you don’t even have the decency to concede when autistic people are saying this is a deeply wrong thing to do.
if you have to ignore an entire community’s voice to feel better about the content you’re making that directly hurts them, if you don’t personally think it’s harmful or even real because autistic struggles are never real, then I am well within reason to assume you’re not a good person. it’s one thing to do something wrong because you’re uninformed, and it’s another thing entirely to continue to do that when you’ve been informed, and simply decided that it wasn’t worth changing or stopping.
believe me, as an autistic person I am well used to being isolated, to not being anyone’s priority in this capitalistic circle of hell. I am ready to expect my struggles and existence to be tokenized for somebody else to feel good, or squeeze money from. Im used to seeing movies portray my experience as some Manic Pixie Star-seed or creepy overgrown child. I know the world doesn’t care about me. But I don’t think I’m asking too much for this, the big found family fandom that’s been shown to care so much about every other problem, to care about me. To listen when it’s hurting me, or uplift something I care about.
I don’t think I’m asking for anything less than this family to actually treat me like I am part of it. But can you even do that?
#holdthypeace.txt#spn#supernatural#jack kline#autistic jack kline#spn fandom#baby jack#baby jack au#team free will 2.0#tfw2.0#sam winchester#dean winchester#castiel#dadstiel#destiel#deancas#domestic destiel#supernatural fandom#fandom criticism#jack kline supernatural#jack spn#autistic characters#sorry this got so long lol I hope it isn’t too much for you to read#not even going into how jackgirls in general have no fandom presence that isn’t self contained#the autistic experience is being isolated everywhere forever for something everyone knows except you.#sastiel#toddler jack kline#spn family
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Think the only reason they don't put Lanolin to interact with Shadow, Blaze or Rouge is because then would have no excuses to them stand down and let Lanolin lecture them.
Fanon painted Silver as an uwu baby who depends on a badass girlboss to protect him, fanon painted Knuckles a dumbass who always gets to be awkward when he realizes he was wrong all along™, fanon likes Sonic's muh principles, fanon likes infantilizing Amy and Tangle, fanon likes Whisper being a trauma punchbag
But fanon would never accept any route to these three that wasn't badass butt kicker, either of these three would have to talk back and put Lanolin on her due trashcan because otherwise 80% of the remaining stans would turn against Idw immediately.
They don't want to lose the remaining stans, but they also don't want to acknowledge their "girlboss" is nothing but a rude bitch who deserves to have her ego shattered
With Shadow, you also can't have him rightfully fight back against Lanolin, because then it would be endless discourse about muh mandates making him mean (unlike his perfect portrayal of SA2, obviously) or muh sexism because see? it's fine if Shadow is a bit curt, but it's not fine when Lanolin is a complete ass to everyone nearby! clearly it's because y'all hate people with boobs!
(although IDW Shadow really has been an utter prick in the past, Mr. "It's what you deserve", so who knows how he'd be written)
I also suspect that Sonic is unusually docile with Lanolin because it recreates his dynamic with Sally :P
This is also another reason Lanolin feels so unpleasant. She talks big with people who don't fight her back. Tangle rarely if ever speaks up against her, Silver folds like a chair despite it being OOC, Whisper is naturally shy and prone to beating herself up. It's one-sided, and it almost feels like she's abusing her power. The only time it didn't feel like that was with Sonic, who talked back to some measure, but even he accepted her behavior.
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Oh I saw her video! Interesting we watch the same content gurl stahp!!!
I thought it was an interesting take too. Personally, it's how I've always felt about this whole situation pertaining especially to Jimin with that whole aegyo stuff he had going on and so it was validating to hear her say that.
And a lil TMI, she's probably the reason I blurted out that Nuna during you know...
She fine as hell and that sassy feminine dom energy... muh-mi!!!!!
She hit it right on the head when she talked about that whole aegyo thingy being forced on idols and required of them to draw a certain type of audience. I hate it when the men do it and particularly when the girls do it cos I just know they ain't doing it for the female audience💀
Listen, I struggled for a while getting used to Jimin doing that whole aegyo thingy and lord whenever JK was asked to do it I wanted to bust him out of there fast!
I snapped my fingers when she talked about how it's literally meant to put the person doing it in a submissive role- probably why she hates it so much🤣
As someone who've spent almost all my time in the fandom trying to fight this whole submissive gay assumptions about certain members it felt really nice to hear her say these things outloud.
Kpop companies do profit from the infantilization of idols. That's a matter of fact. It not only feed into the fantasies of certain pockets from the rich Japanese business men which is primarily the Asian male gaze but also panders to women, the maternal instincts of women who not only associate these aegyo childlike looks and behaviors in idols with that of children but also it kick starts their maternal drive to care and protect these men- say hello to the female gaze or an aspect of it.
Touche sis.
Drop your @ I'll tag you the next time she uploads💜
Oh another thing! I think she spilled tea on that whole "shi" thing. It gave me a whole new perspective on Jk calling Jimin Jiminshi.
Oh and about your question, I'm not korean but I doubt Oppa/Nuna carries the same honorifical value as hyung/dongsaeng. But I'd like to ask her if she thinks some men don't like being called hyung🤣
We talk about toxic masculinity and well in this case weird expectations of women and people think we crazy. I'm starting to think everyone is crazy and asleep. WAKE THE HELL UP.
Link to video here
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