#morality in fan spaces

[katyspersonal]

me: I do not really understand the hardcore insistence of some Mohg fans/simps that he could not or must not have done any sexual-incestous crime! Not only it is a reasonable version, but also extremely interesting and intriguing to explore how not all victims of oppressive system are good people! Soulsborne is super fitting for fucked up themes and characters, any Mohg is valid and fun including the darkest you can get, right? Extremely messed-up interpretations of Mohg don't THREATEN other fans in any way shape or form!

fandom clowns: *passively-aggressively shun Mohg fans from the circles, attack Fromsoft for """homophobia""" (wtf), confuse acknowledging the event with enjoying the event, will label Mohg fans as insensitive or danger to real SO/incest victims, fear Mohg as an awful scary taboo to bring up in memes compilations or fanart that could obliterate all fun despite him being part of the canon, demand blacklisting anything about him in their clown Discord servers thus making lore chats weird, shame or block people with flattering interpretations for MeDiA iLiTeRaCy uwu, treat hating Mohg as a moral act rather than personal stance and generally cause a lot of hostility in the fandom, ALL because whereas seeing Mohg's SO as canon they then got mad at this canon instead of either swallowing it or move onto another videogame free of this theme*

me:

me: Nevermind, this fandom is chronically incapable of handling the dark themes and think the fandom owes them sanitised experience.

[frootbyethefoot]

just this once, there could be a happy ending (there is an uproar of laughter.)

[sukibenders]

"Penelope has insecurities!" As an excuse for her harming others because of those said insecurities falls very flat when it puts the character's, who live during a time of few options especially if you were a women, at risk. And even with her insecurities, her lashing out and hurting people should be held in the same regard as how some view Cressida, who didn't get the luxury of a view into her home life until s3, unlike Penelope, and while it still has people calling out this behavior, although rightfully so, it often still includes denying that Penelope needs to take accountability as well.

[portalmon-au]

Some random doodles for this au!

[beansidhebumbling]

personally think 'live and let live' is an underrated philosophy this fandom should adopt.

[skyshipper]

A GIFT FOR KEEPER OF THE STARS

[whydoifeelthisquiet]

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[lexsnotdead]

i'm almost finished with act1, and most of the bg3 companions turned out to be not what i expected (in a good way). but the biggest surprise for me was that 1) i don't hate astarion? i like him, even. which means i will be blacklisting his tag forever. sorry if i have any astarion enjoyers following me but he looks like a type of character who would have the most annoying fans ever and i am not letting anyone ruin him for me 😶 i'm tired of being a hater i want to be a lover 2) i'm madly in love with lae'zel

[justthatspiffy]

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[stuffedsand]

There's something interesting to be said about the opinions of different fanbases based on culture and how it affects the votes but it's late and I can't write it out too much so only one example for today: amane

Down under the cut so if it gets too long it won't affect anyone's scrollin

Also warning the tags are long on this one

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Basically I think the jp/more asian parts of the fandom tend to lean towards greater good (amane guilty to protect shidou/mahiru/fuuta because if shidous incapacitated in any way someone's dying, mahiru is prone to dying any moment, fuuta is prone to cult mindset rn). Despite my non japanese speaking ass not being able to gather direct evidence for this, I use those surrounding me (asian in asian country) as evidence; namely, how they're mostly amane guilty voters

-Now I'm not saying my personal take but the reason given for guilting her is well. As much as it will cause her more woe it's one way of guaranteeing the safety of the prison. Shidou is the only medical professional after all, and she's "completely hostile" towards him, acc to jackalope. And she doesn't need to overpower him; shes smart, and could sabotage his equipment or just like. Go for his hands to incapacitate him. I doubt he'd fight back.

-Alternatively, it's because it would cause her to fall back on believing she's right. Telling her she's forgiven with how she's acting would cause her to believe her persistance and dedication to this (harmful) mindset is what got her forgiven in the first place

-Meanwhile more western? English fanbase ig I'm not too sure of demographic, but the English speaking side tends to focus on how it affects her. Because of the belief that another guilty verdict will cause more harm to her, an innocent verdict is the obvious solution. What I've seen is the greater focus on what caused the murder over the murder itself and the effects of an innocent verdict on others and then her beliefs. A focus on the past over what she's promised to do in the present and future perhaps. Idk.

-Another reason for the difference could. Possibly be how punishment is viewed? Western countries have much more stigma over any form of punishment but in Asian countries it's normal. Now while I'd say physical punishment isn't the way to go, the refusal of punishment shouldn't be rewarded (imo) but that's all I'll say on it.

-The English fanbase also focuses a lot on how young amane is and how her circumstances were terrible and all that. Those around me tend to focus more on her thoughts around the crime, what she believes the crime was for and how in the right she thinks she is. This may also be the cause of the moral grandstanding I see so often (ie. If you vote amane guilty you're a baaad person) (I don't agree with this btw. That's stupid this is fiction don't insult others over an opinion)

What I will say is the English speaking side is more sympathetic towards amane. They (y'all?) Take her situation into a lot of consideration, and focus on her age as a large factor. Whereas those around me and I assume might be close to the views of the japanese fanbase are more objective, looking at what harm she could cause and what's the greater of the two evils, as well as what she's going to do with the verdict (ie. Use the inno verdict as her doctrines are correct and very right).

There's slight thought given to her age and circumstance of course, by it that's not the main concern rn. Given the current situation, most of my milgram voting friends stay certain that an innocent verdict will not end well, hence the guilty vote. I mean I have a couple friends that feel bad for guiltying her because of her circumstance, but do it anyway cuz it's for the better. My opinion is that she should've been innocent trial one, since we wouldn't have known the concequences, but it's too late now and an innocent will cause more harm overall

tldr asian fanbase from experience focus on the crime itself + what they're gonna do with that experience whereas eng speaking fanbase focus on the circumstances surrounding the crime and on judging only the crime

In myyy opinion. Judging only the crime based on your interpretation isn't how the system should be working, it should take into consideration the prisoners' attitudes and how the prisoner perceives the crime as well.

I hope this was coherent I typed it out at 11pm and went to bed immediately after and I've barely edited anything cuz awake me is less coherent than half asleep me

Also hope this was an interesting post? This topic is interesting to me but I explain better in speaking over typing so it's probably hard to read but I hope this topic scritches y'all's brains like it does mine :)

[tiressian]

Just to get this off my head– I can't stop thinking that shoko might have mentioned her feelings (for gojo) to geto. So it's like, she was more open to geto. She started smoking again (I'm so sorry if she didn't stop at all for me to say that lmao) after he deflected because the friend she was confiding in was gone? And she didn't know how to deal with her feelings either so, to distract herself and with her interest in medicine(?), she decided to enter med school or whatever. But then there were times she misses him, so there comes in their hang-out's like in the novel?

UGH. I wanna defend them in the court HAHAHAHAHA. Like, c'mon, shoko having that talk regarding that "being alone" then segueing her "being in love and such" out of nowhere while gojo was being shown is just— AHHHHH.

Lemme have this. 😭✊️

there there let it allll out

it sounds like youre having a rough go of things

but look

[long winded rant under the cut (not really a rant)]

shipping's supposed to be fun, give yourself permission to enjoy your ship without needing to 'justify it'. beating allegations, going to court - it's all poopie! you don't need to justify anything. you think im gonna let the x number of thinkpieces stop me?

other ships have been shipped for much less. ive shipped characters that werent even in the same fandoms! hahaha! hetero, homo, it's all fairgame to me. if i think they're hot, thats justification enough for me. if theyve never met, ill make them meet. ill put them in the same room, ill contrive a scenario. there were two beds? nope! now there is one bed! and a snowstorm! and unresolved feelings!

i love 220. i love the insight i got into Shoko. I've been dying for insight.

at the same time, i didnt need it to continue enjoying my ship, and it's nice, dont get me wrong, but if it never existed i would still be here writing for the ship.

canon or no canon, i ship it.

because it's fun.

i dont care what the consensus is, because the consensus has never dictated how much fun i have. i dictate how much fun i have

and im having a blast, im giving myself permission. you dont need it from me, but here, look: im giving you permission

what are they gonna do, take my laptop from me? hahaha!

personally i just block the main tags so that it doesn't pop up in my For You thingy. it's been 400 days since ive seen The Discourse and i know peace like you wouldnt believe. im not debating anyone. protip haha.

[ozymoron]

starting to think this website is bad for my mental health.....

[coldgoldlazarus]

Me: Man, I just really don't care for the direction the Kazimierz stuff went in. And I feel so disconnected from the mainline plot because I'm still stuck in Chapter 6 while everyone else is on like, 11 or 12 or something.

Me: And given the aforementioned Kazimierz problem, am starting to wonder if the Reunion plot is really going to land as well as I had hoped, either; is the neoliberal vibe a problem unique to the jousting honses, or is that just the canary in the coal mine? Between all that and the gameplay burnout, maybe I should just back off more for a while...

Hypergrif: Winged Serpents real, hot evil feathered snake milfs spotted in your area.

Me: Fuckit, I can stick around a while longer yet...

[sam-reid]

not newer amc!iwtv fans trying to dictate what is and isn’t morally just on the subject of fanfic to the point that they’re bullying writers off ao3. this fandom has been producing fanfic for decades; you don’t get to ostracise people for their work, especially with what the older generations of fans went through in the 90s/early 2000s.

[acid-vanir]

Superheroism is a subculture with three genders: Good, Evil, and Made-In-The-Nineties. No I will not be taking any quotes I have said all i feel is necessary

[welcometogrouchland]

It's definitely not the most widely held belief in online fan spaces (at least not at it's full potency, I think a watered down version is more widely felt imo) but I do think some fans approach art and fandom with this weird idea that because a bad story disappoints or even hurts the fans of a work, it's like. A personal and/or moral failing of the creator for making that bad story. And it should be treated with the same gravitas as something with more far reaching consequences and implications. Yknow?