#moon conjunct pluto

[cosmicplexus]

Random Synastry Observations

🌸Mars conjunct Ascendant or Mars in 1st house can be one of those relationships where you aren't too sure if someone likes you genuinely or just for your looks.

🌸Venus in 5th house has an easy going atmosphere helped by a shared sense of humor and playfulness regardless of other aspects in synastry.

🌸It can be very difficult to end a relationship with someone with their Mars in your 8th house as they will persist to make sure the relationship continues.

🌸Having your natal Moon or Venus conjunct/opposite/square Pluto makes your relationships with people close to your age very intense for better or worse.

🌸People with Venus in 12th house synastry tend to dream about each other a lot.

🌸Relationships have a better chance of surviving if 4th house,5th house and 8th house synastry are all present.

🌸People with Venus in 10th house synastry most likely met or connected through work or school and tend to bond over career related matters.

🌸If Moon conjunct Mars synastry has no strong aspects to aid the relationship, the Mars person may view the Moon person as merely someone to procreate with, this is especially true if Mars is a man and Moon is a woman.

🌸Venus-Saturn strong aspects tend to be present in age-gap relationships.

🌸Strong uranus aspects to personal plantets in synastry may create an element of uncertainty or instability to the relationship

[mercurianchild]

hey love! what does a Plutonian chart look like? i'm not sure if I have one. how would that affect me?

Strong influence of Pluto…

What a strong Plutonian influence of Pluto in the chart could look like:

Pluto in the 1st, 4th, 7th and 10th house

Pluto aspecting inner planets (Mercury, Venus and Mars)

Pluto strongly aspecting the moon and ascendant, especially tight orbs

TW: mentions of s*x and death!!

Being Pluto dominant or having a strong influence of Pluto means that transformations, ego deaths, feelings of death and rebirth will accompany you for a life time. From my experience, this will be especially harsh in the childhood, youth and maybe in your early adult years. As time passes and as you get older, you might develop self care habits and safety mechanisms to protect yourself and your inner peace. Practising self love, meditation and mindfulness could be important to these individuals, as they could underestimate their beauty and their outstanding personality.

I’ve also seen that most traumatic events happen in the childhood, youth or early adulthood. But that’s just my observation.

Feelings of being deeply misunderstood rise while you are young and this feeling might follow you for years. Constantly searching for someone to understand your complex mind and depth of emotions. These people could benefit from searching for a valve to turn pain, bad experiences and any form of built up emotion into art. Be it writing, drawing, making music…

A reoccurring theme for Plutonians is sexuality. There may be blockages in regards of the own sexuality or experiencing it, but once they overcome this, they literally start to bloom in that area. This could turn into being hungry for power in general (or simply being turned on by overpowering the partner) or in being lascivious. They can be pretty much extreme and freaky in bed, actually. Being intimate never gets boring with them.

I know, this is what you read everywhere, but plutonic people are deeply magnetic and will catch your eye with their intense aura. Even if they are not seen as traditionally beautiful, these natives exude attractiveness and charisma. You just can’t ignore them and they will even stand out in a crowd. BUT! A lot of them don’t have the sex appeal like (for example) Megan Fox has. A lot of them have such an innocence to their appearance, but if you take a closer look you’ll see that they’re like fallen angels.

From my experience, plutonic people will have a deep connection to spirituality or the occult and a profound interest in psychology (for good and bad). They usually get into these things after really hard times in their life. They will attract jealousy and hate like flies, unfortunately and this could take a toll in their self esteem. Even strangers tend to be very competitive and mean to them in some way, because most people simply feel challenged by their presence.

Dear plutonic people,

you ALL are wonderful and you deserve so much more. I feel for every single one of you and I hope you will find true happiness and self acceptance. You’ve been through so much and you deserve the world for all that. I’m sending you all the love you might need right now or later! 🩶

[myun-saidthoughts]

Reasons Why Water House Synastry Is Karmic and Intense:

In this post, I want to address some reasons why water house (4th, 8th, and 12th) synastry can be very intense, very transformational and why it creates/increases codependency.

(the basis of this thread is the fact that there is attraction and desire within the romantic connection, and the depth of feeling will run more true if you share multiple other intense synastry aspects/past life connections. Friendships/family relations that have heavy 8th/12th house synastry overlays manifest *very* differently)

Each water house has one common factor, and that's with these type of synastry overlays; you will feel seen or accepted. In some way, some form, the severity of it depends (as usual), but

if you struggle with:

4TH House:

Showing your true character to others without the fear of being judged.

Sharing your inner thoughts to others with ease and safeness.

The fact that you never felt/had a safe home, so now you long for that feeling (of being at ease/comfortable with someones presence).

Feeling ease and comfortability within your environment or within yourself, instead you experienced that those feelings came at a cost.

Feeling secure when you're meeting others/being open to others.

Stating your inner thoughts or feelings outwardly and confidently.

Trusting others.

8TH House: If you struggle with:

Self acceptance.

Self worth.

Self love.

Self confidence.

Accepting/receiving love.

Having low respect for yourself (meaning how others treat you may be hurtful but because of lack of validation within, you allow or accept that behavior).

Having a pattern where the way others treat you either gives or takes away validation your inner wounds need.

Deeply craving emotional closeness yet fearing it at the same time.

Allowing yourself to desire love.

The fact you're emotionally unavailable; so you're unsure with how to deal with romance, and yet a part of you still deeply desires a partner.

These also may resonate if you have 8H Placements, Pluto aspecting inner planets/Scorpio placements.

12TH House: If you struggle with:

Emotionally availability/allowing someone to see you, all of you.

Receiving tangible, stable, harmonious, love.

Having a habit to/find it easier to fix or save someone in hopes of changing their self destructive habits or mental health issues. This type of tendency creates an avoidance within yourself especially if you don't focus on your own needs or problems. (it's easier to focus on someone else's pain rather than your own)

Feeling safe with the idea of not being needed, instead you choose to be the giver or other woman since it subconsciously keeps you at a distance of being openly loved (which is something you subconsciously fear)

Holding the deep desire to feel seen past the physical 3D.

Allowing yourself to receive the type of love you're able to give/shower another.

Wanting to fix or heal someone's mental health wounds or problems, you find it safer to be their savior rather than have a true give and take partnership.

(These also may resonate if you have 12H, Neptune aspecting inner planets/Pisces placements)

These are a few examples of how intense these synastry overlays may manifest if you are struggling with the above statements. I briefly mentioned a few indicators, needless to say they are more and each synastry chart or even natal chart will always paint the picture better of how deep these relationships can manifest.

then 4th, 8th, and 12th house synastry will cause internal shift within, whether you want it to or not.

4th House: With the 4th house and when someone walks into your life and they ignite your IC, the part of your character that you readily hide becomes unlocked. If you personally have struggled with being comfortable in your skin, or have struggled with feeling secure with who you are as you are, then this person to you will feel like a comfort blanket. Their presence will shift you into a mood where all you feel is safe, present, and in the moment. With them, you will feel complete in showcasing your inner world and your inner thoughts. Their presence will become this key that you didn't even knew you need. It'll feel easy with them, and there is no hesitation, confusion or worry. You can't feel worry, and it's not because they insistently tell you not to feel anxious, you just naturally won't. You guys will likely share the same humor or communication style, and if there is a Venus conjunct IC then the IC person will feel this romantic pull with showcasing their personality outwardly that they won't be able to shake towards the Venus person. Overall these feelings are especially true if you struggle with letting someone in, if it takes some time for you to allow someone else to see your personality or thoughts, then they will feel like a cure for allowing to let that side of you out and when you're next to them; you'll feel like you're finally home.

Example: you walk into a bar and they make eye contact with you, you instantly smile, they instantly smile, and the conversation that ignites feels as if you just spoke to them. It could be weeks, months even since you last saw them but the comfortability between the two of you oozes out in a way where it feels like they just came back home to you. (especially if you share heavy 3H synastry overlays as well or if their mercury softly aspects your inner planets, vice versa)

The reason why this type of connection can be hard to let go of is because their presence might cause or create a codependent need in you for them in order to feel "safe." All their presence is doing is igniting the secure feeling in you that you wish you had, you finally can look into another's eyes and feel that type of comfortability you've always been scared enough to unlock or accept. Your private thoughts and characteristics feel safe next to them, and because of that, they create this security within you won't know how to let go of. So, all they are doing is unleashing your wish of being your truest self without fearing the consequences of being seen for who you are.

In some cases, 4th house synastry may not run as intense, and some say it can be 'mundane' or boring, especially if you don't struggle with the listed wounds I stated, or if you don't share other intense or cute attraction synastry aspects with them; but in essence this individual will feel like a grounding force.

The bond you can form with them is tangible, it's secure, and it feels real. So, letting them go will feel as though you're letting go the one desire of ever revealing your private inner self with ease, especially if this is a part of you that you've been too afraid to openly show or even accept.

Songs That Relate

Look After You - The Fray

Chasing Cars - Snow Patrol

Control - Zoe Wees

Hey Stranger - Billie Flynn

8th House: With the 8th house, these type of connections are more intense, and naturally so. With this type of synastry, and if you struggle with self acceptance especially with self love or self worth, then letting go of this connection will feel near to impossible. It will feel like life or death if they walk away from you, and it will feel like a part of you dies every time they don't give you the reassurance or acknowledgment your soul wishes for. Their eyes alone, tell you it's time to let that wall down and without effort your wall crumbles. You know that if they leave, a part of you will leave with them but if your wound of wishing to be accepted runs so deep within, you can't help but take that risk. You're aware that the unavoidable low following their absence will cut deep, yet instead of walking away, you prepare yourself for its inevitable arrival.

You allow that pain to embody you because that pain hurts less than not feeling those moments of acceptance that they are able to give you, especially if it's what you've always reluctantly wished for.

With their presence that void of wanting emotional closeness that you've always longed for will feel like it has vanished, their eyes alleviate the long-ignored half-empty feeling, and so the part of you that wishes to been seen, the part of you that wishes to feel accepted, the part of you that wants to be vulnerable won't know how to let go.

You could run into them and it could be weeks, months even and if you still struggle with loving yourself in the way you wish they would, their presence will create this upheaval that will shake within you, this synastry holds cycles, loops, ups and down to the point of where if you don't hate them, a part of you will still want them.

This synastry creates a dynamic where this soul that entered your life is only igniting the parts of you that you, yourself don't accept, love or acknowledge. Their presence becomes this band-aid that somehow soothes the deepest parts of you that have been abandoned, and their presence soothes the part of you that you yourself believe you can't heal. This fear then creates a scarcity mindset that can cause you to become someone you're not, and even if you logically know what is objectively best to do in situations to not create more intensity within the connection; there's just a part of you that can't care.

The reason why this type of connection can be hard to let go of is because their presence might cause or create a codependent need in you to have them in order to feel "seen." Their presence gives you a sense of acceptance where you allow yourself to accept love in. If you struggle with emotional abandonment, or fear love, then their presence will feel like a "skip the line" pass with inner healing the parts of you that feel broken.

The reason why 8th house synastry is discussed so promptly and openly is because these feelings that persist (when dealing with inner wounds) become such catalysts of growth and ego deaths; but that is only because this connection allows in the hope for love you've been wishing for all your life. You want to be held, you want to be cared for and loved in a way that you've never received, and this person presences grants that sole wish. They bring you that one solace feeling that you've never felt and because of that, letting them go is letting go the one key that makes you feel worthy, seen, and accepted.

Their presence creates this codependent need within because they become this one "thing" that you think you need in order to fulfill that self love wound you keep repressing. You'll start to rely on them for emotional clarity or serenity, you'll start to "need them" in order to feel good, and you'll expect them to make you feel "better" emotionally and if they fail to meet those expectations, all you'd be faced with is the unwavering feeling of the lack of self love or worth you're too afraid to self develop.

The love you're so readily able to give them, is what your soul is asking you to give yourself.

*Those who have prominent natal Scorpio or 8th house placements as well as having Pluto aspecting harshly their inner planets or ascendant will feel these trials and errors more*

Songs That Relate:

Locksmith/You Don't - Sadie Jean

Addicted - Kelly Clarkson

Im Yours/Heartbeat - Isabel LaRose

Just a Little Bit of Your Heart - Ariana Grand

Heavenly - Cigarettes After Sex

Is There Somewhere - Halsey

12th house:

This post focuses exclusively on a 12th house relationship between two kind and evolved individuals. While there are other darker themes associated with 12th house synastry — such as deception, substance abuse, hidden affairs (like being the other woman or mistress), lies about one partner’s true nature, or fear that one partner is withholding information or their true self — I won’t be discussing those here. I might explore those themes in a future post, as they are important to note, but for now, my main focus will not include those themes.

“Though I barely know you, it feels as if I do. Your eyes and body language seem to speak your thoughts, even the ones I can’t fully grasp. There’s no visible thread connecting us, yet this feeling remains.” — Planet Person

With the 12th house, this synastry unlocks so many different routes and experiences. Many factors influence how each individual can feel towards this ethereal connection. One way this synastry can manifest is through the tendency for the 12th house to cloud, confuse, and bring hesitancy into the connection. In some cases, Person A (or the person who has heavy Neptune/Pisces/12th house placements) will feel as though they can read Person B in such a deep and subconscious way; this type of knowing may even be hidden from Person B to the extent that they are unaware of their own subconscious emotional needs, thoughts or feelings, and yet (especially if there's care or desire on their end) Person A can read Person B like a book. 12th house synastry can be so thought provoking because of the absolute depth and surreal feeling it can add into the connection. The planet person (or the person who has heavy Neptune/Pisces/12th house placements) will feel this innate drive to be with the house person (or the other partner who isn't as spiritual adept). It's as if one partner, driven by an innate need to give endlessly, is profusely tossing their sole bucket of water into the vast ocean of the other partner's needs. The giver (or the person who has heavy Neptune/Pisces/12th house placements) is so focused on giving that they overlook the importance of receiving, while the receiver remains oblivious.

If Person B remains unaware of the deep spiritual bond between them that can manifest, they may perceive Person A's actions as invasive or unnecessary. Person A, recognizing wounds in Person B that Person B may not be aware of can evoke a sense of fear in Person B, this has to deal with the issue of them not allowing or accepting a form of love that they believe (Person B) doesn't serve them.

If this scenario resonates with you, then this individual is provoking a wound within yourself that deals with the acceptance of receiving authentic love. This innate need to only give highlights your own fear of receiving real reciprocal, stable, tangible love.

In this scenario where one party wants to save, fix, heal or give, highlights that fearful nature within you where you allow to stay in shallow waters. You subconsciously know that you have such passionate love to give, but that thought of giving to someone who in turn might be willing to give back evokes fear and uncertainty within you.

This subconscious block holds more comfortability within you since it allows you to never accept a love where your soul will fully be fulfilled. It's self sabotaging and self written, you naturally already know how the story will end between you two, and so you subconsciously will find a character who perfectly embodies the story you yourself say you try to run from.

On the other hand this synastry (when desired and when it's dealing with highly evolved individuals) can unlock such deep soulfulness between both partners. Between the two parties, it'll feel as if they have found someone that can finally understand them better than anyone ever has, it'll feel dreamy and mystical. It'll feel as if their body language writes stories that you could only read.

In a pure sense, one partner that desires the other very deeply and whole heartedly wants to make sure that their partner is seen, and understood. And this comes from a very sincere place and if the other receiving partner allows that kind of love in while being okay with giving that same love back, that is when this type of connection can be ideal.

Now in this scenario, this type of codependent nature deals with over emphasizing redemption with no boundaries. If there is solid exchangeable love, a part of you may believe there is always more good than bad within them or within the relationship, and so their wrongdoings or unacceptable behavior to you or to others somehow receives justification or more understanding than he or she should receive. (especially if you also share 8th house synastry with them). As well as it's important to understand that if there is this innate understanding given by one partner that's always present when there shouldn't be, that's when the relationship can become overwhelming, or draining. Just because you know, understand or empathize with the other partner's actions or patterns doesn't make their actions okay.

This type of dynamic receives interchanging parts, with the 12th house things can lack a solid foundation and have a lack crystal clear communication, some days you both won't deal with struggling dynamics, then one day Partner 1 acts out, to which Partner 2 cuirasses and holds, then a few weeks later Partner 2 acts out and Partner 1 comes to their aid.

Truly the amount of stories, experiences, how Person 1 will feel vs Person 2 is genuinely so intercomplicated and nuanced. Each story lies within the two parties involved, with this house they are just so many different routes and avenues it can uphold, so this particular post may not cover every ounce of information on 12th house synastry. If you are curious to learn more only about this synastry I have a long updated post titled "Understanding 12th House Synastry" and it's far more in-depth (click the text).

In essence, how the other partner receives this type of boundless understanding calls for them to be a very kind and open individual. It's important to understand and recognize red flags or self undoing patterns. Staying aware of the actual real situation instead of sitting in bed thinking of the "What if's" are key. Their posts may not be about you, that song on their story can be just a song, remember that. Especially if the individual lacks self awareness or care on their end.

Finally, I don't believe water house synastry holds malicious energy or serves as a dictatorship with stating how the relationship will fail. Not every synastry overlay is set for such intense energy or uncomfortable experiences, each planet in a natal chart holds different themes. What truly matters at the end of the day are the two souls involved within the connection. Desire, care, love, and acceptance are all foundational keys for any relationship to last even those with or without water house synastry. Accepting yourself in the purest form when it comes each water house theme (4,8,12) is key.

Your natal chart when it comes to synastry serves as a mirror within yourself, everything you are feeling for someone else is already sitting within you.

Don't forget that.

[bouquetface]

SOLAR RETURN: The Year You Meet Your Spouse & Move Countries

This is the sr chart of the year this person met their boyfriend (now spouse) and moved to NYC.

You may use this chart to find similar indicators in your own chart. Of course, it won’t manifest in the same way due to natal being different but you may still find this helpful.

INDICATORS SHOWING A BIG MOVE:

SR ASC in Virgo & Ruler (Mercury) in 9th H:

ASC in virgo can be a year when one is typically focused on: routine & managing. Their approach to the year can be critical and analytical.

9th house shows foreign travel. This year this person spent a lot of time in NYC. It was a big and expensive move. A lot of time was spent deciding where exactly in NYC they would want to live.

SR MOON Conjunct PLUTO in 4th House

For this person, this is conjunct their natal Uranus. This person decided to move to NYC after meeting their spouse (than boyfriend). This was a sudden and shocking choice to her family as they had just met. Although, they were not opposed.

Uranus brings this shocking & sudden aspect.

Pluto brings the huge transformation.

Moon&4th H show it being connected to their home and family.

SR North Node in Natal First House

This connects to home since their natal NN is in 4th House. This shows the focus of home being brought to the front of their focus.

It shows a fated event being triggered in regard to self and home. This is further supported by Vertex being in 4th House.

SR IC conjunct Pluto

This further supports that a huge transformation was going to occur this year.

SR 4th House in Sag with Saturn

Sag is the sign of travel, education/knowledge. In 4th, it can show travelling or moving around a lot. This is a very small indicator but when backed up with the above it further supports that this person was going to move this year.

Saturn’s influence shows it wasn’t going to be a small trip as this person originally planned. They met their spouse, dated long distance for most of the year. Making the best move for their career & this relationship, they say they decided to begin the process for a permanent move.

Meeting An Important Romantic Partner:

SR Venus conjunct Venus

This is one indicator of romance being highlighted for the year.

In this case, this is in different signs but still in very close conjunction. SR Venus is in 10th, Natal Venus is in 9th. This person experienced a lot of blessings in their career this year too. This was a good year for business and romance.

Romance isn’t always the case with venus conjunct venus. However, this person has multiple indicators of a relationship.

SR Jupiter transit Natal Jupiter’s House

This isn’t conjunct, however it is still prominent. Like venus conjunct venus, this alone would not indicate romance. When paired together with even more relationship indicators, it shows a very important relationship forming.

For this person, they met their spouse through a friend they were visiting in NYC. Jupiter can show where you will meet the spouse. In 11th, through friends/social network.

This person’s SR Jupiter conjunct part of fortune. This further shows this person experienced feeling lucky and blessed in abundance. They say everything went perfect this year - in business, romance, family, etc.

SR Uranus conjunct Mercury in 7th H

This shows meeting was going to be sudden and surprising. This person was not looking for a relationship when they went to NYC. They truly thought it would be a short and fun visit to their friend’s place.

SR South Node in 7th H

This alone can sometimes indicate less focus on relationships. And this was true at the start until they met their boyfriend.

The other relationship indicators this person had shows it was inevitable this would change.

This can indicate they have a past life connection with their spouse too.

KEEP IN MIND: Ofc most people will NOT meet their spouse & move to NYC in the same year. This is very specific to her life. She comes from a very financially fortunate family who was able to support her dreams. Don’t compare your life to hers or expect the exact same outcome.

[bestlilithian]

Home is the first grave.

[ Moon-Pluto, Pluto in 4th house culture ]

tw for various mentions of abuse and death as well as mental problems, sh and su!cide, also needles (dont ask)

- may have experienced a lot of death in thr family or in the close neighborhood

- feel more connected to your dead relatives than your alive ones

- there mightve been a death in your family before you were born

- feeling peacful in graveyards

- may have fantasized about death/su!cide, might percieve death as something that brings peace (hence the fantasies, because really all you ever wanted was peace)

- wanting peace but knowing you cannot have it because of your nature; feeling like theres just something in your blood in your soul that is uncontrollable and overwhelming

- your household was always a house , never a home

- being raised by very old people, enjoying the presence of much older wiser people (like, literal elders not hot teachers 💀)

- enduring literal psychological warfare in your home (usual your mother waged war on you as soon as you were old enough to form a coherent critical thought)

- "I hate you, dont leave me" (might be the attitude of your mother towards you, or yours towards others you love)

- Your mother always knew when you were lying or hiding something. Especially if she had a scorpio moon or moon/pluto aspects herself. You grew up extremely fearful of her.

- moon pluto culture is hearing your mother talk lovingly about her own fucked up mother, she never accepted the severity of her own abuse, until of course she needs to use it in an argument against you "Im a great mother, my mother was so much worse"(basically Im good because I abuse you differently than I was abused 😍 same shit different package)

- not liking motherly women or women who try to be mother figures to you, feeling uncomofortable around them; youre uncomfortable with how much you crave motherly love and people who can provide you that become threats because of the power they could have over you if you opened up

- being betrayed by the women in your life, especially those who were much older and supposed to take care of you (teachers, tutors, family members, therapists, babysitters..)

- toxic female friends 😁🔫 bonus : really close but toxic female friendships in youth that feel like death when you end them even though you know it was necessary

- feeling pain so deeply you think you will drop dead or have a heart attack. (When I was little and depressed I wrote in a diary of mine "My body will kill me before I get to")

more on this : when you start crying because of immense emotional pain and suddenly your heart is burning and beating too fast and youre getting light headed and throwing up , and suddenly youre not crying because of the pain, youre crying because youre afraid youre about to have a heart attack and die

- fearing that your mother will k word herself or you if you try to leave her (harsh aspects mostly)

- learning what emotional violence is very early, how to wield it and defend against it

- turning your emotions off completely for a while and then having a nervous breakdown when it all rushes back

- reading up on psychology, psychiatry and works of psychotherapists so you can heal and never become your mother

- wanting to put a bullet in your head when you notice yourself thinking or behaving like your mother

- going home after you spent time somewhere where you felt good and safe is extremely dreadful

- your mother doesnt see you as a human being (harsh aspects especially), and may take you a while to figure this out

- extremely controlling behavior from your mother or other caretakers (for example my mother threatened to send people to stalk me when I moved to a diff city, to 'make sure Im not doing something bad')

- deeply grieving the loss of your childhood and your inner child

- almost choking while crying or passing out

- feeling like youre a horrible person and dont deserve your family [because youre in deep denial and are seeing the flaws of your family as your own and denying your own trauma]

- learning about sex early on, perhaps early sexual obsession but not like promiscuity more like craving for deep intimacy (also you were probably deeply ashamed of it)

- not telling your family (esp mother) anything because they will ruin it for you

- being accused of being a psychopath, uncaring, selfish for "not loving your family enough"

- not knowing how to feel about the members of your family that played a more passive role in your life because they didnt do anything wrong but they didnt do anything right either; surely they knew , why didnt they stop it? why didnt they save you? (Im talking about adults obviously)

- your parents mightve been much older when you were born, you might have siblings much older than you

- doing anything to avoid your intense emotions and then when you break down and feel everything you realize how freeing it is and how comfortable you actually are with the intensity

- gutteral reactions to songs you deeply relate to (I hear 10 seconds of 'Slipping through my fingers' and I am dead on the floor)

- being afraid of your mother or just of your family in general

- you could probably kill someone with your bare hands if you were angry and hurt enough

- scary as fuck when you actually show your anger

- if you cry in the midst of a fight (verbal or physical) ... someone tell that person to make peace w God . cause thats you crying because of what youre about to do, because thats you loosing the last crumb of humanity you had for them and that can only end one way.

- you would probably kill for your loved ones

- your friends feel like you would help them hide a body (and you probably would)

- recognizing people by footsteps and breathing patterns (especially family members)

- deep deep eyes, people can see war and death them, and they feel like you see their pain too (because you do)

- reading people easily

- enjoying? cruelty (to yourself or others), like getting impulses to do something that would cause you or someone else that ugly feeling of facing cruelty

- finding comfort in the cold and the dark

- insane nightmares since youth, growing to be used to them

- its very hard to shock you

- you know when someones lying

- you might dread certain types of pain yet feel pleasure from them (personally I hate having my blood taken for a test but then I end up immensely enjoying the feeling of a needle pricking my skin and going deep into my vein)

- feeling the need to "kill" some your habits; most likely to drop things cold turkey and be extremely strict in breaking bad habits

- might enjoy really dark, emotionally and morally complex media

- immediately recognizing other moon pluto people and trauma bonding

- extremely good pain endurance. not necessarily tolerance , but endurance. you feel the pain and do it anyway.

- might not react to physical pain at all from a young age

- fantasies about drowning or slipping away peacfully

- either loving deep waters or hating them

- randomly breaking down in the middle of the day because of some pain you buried 5 years ago

- might self harm a lot because of your complex relationship w pain, it genuinely helps sometimes

- home feels like literal prison

- seeing the value in suffering, you might reject the idea that suffering is bad and should be avoided and prevented at all costs

- you might become religious as you mature (but usually in your own way, not necessarily according to tradition)

- forced to eat or denied food in your home, this mightve fucked up your relationship with food

And lastly, I need you to engrave this in yourself :

Wrong love is not love.

[wolfflows-world]

2nd house Pluto/Mars Notes

Those with the aspects listed below might find themselves changing jobs a lot, as Pluto brings transformation/change— it’s like tower + death energy.

Second house deals with the way in which we make money and our personal finances/stability. In particular, those with malefics ruling the second might find themselves struggling moreso than those with benefics. Of course, this might not be true if the benefic is being maltreated by Pluto/Mars through an opposition/square.

This can lead to a lot of financial instability. You may even be labeled a job hopper. I would bet the majority have had to deal with their fair share of toxic workplaces/shitty managers that play favorites/the wrong side of nepotism/bullying-- my heart goes out to y'all. Please remember you are NOT what you do for a living and just because you haven't found traditional stability yet does not mean you are less than or inferior in any way. Think of all the wisdom gained and the ways in which your negative experiences caused you to develop stronger boundaries + intuition.

I actually think these folks would probably do quite well in a fairly chaotic environment like ER doctor, EMT, surgeon, professional fighter, etc. Notice I said chaotic and not stressful/dysfunctional-- there is a difference. Think very busy, something always going on.

JUST A THEORY but those with these aspects could struggle with ADHD/ASD/BPD/PTSD/bipolar or other mental illness/personality disorders/developmental disorders that cause them to struggle keeping a job or reaching + maintaining financial stability.

The following placements should only be considered if the aspect is within a 3 degree orb (except for the Moon):

Aries/Virgo Risings --> Venus oppposing/squaring/conjunct Pluto/Mars within 3 degrees

Taurus/Leo Risings —> Mercury opposing/squaring/conjunct Pluto/Mars within 3 degrees

Gemini Risings —> Moon opposing/squaring/conjunct Pluto/Mars within 14 degrees

Cancer Risings —> Sun opposing/squaring/conjunct Pluto/Mars within 3 degrees

Libra/Pisces Risings —> Mars opposing/squaring/conjunct Pluto within 3 degrees

Scorpio/Aquarius Risings —> Jupiter opposing/squaring/conjunct Pluto/Mars within 3 degrees

Sagittarius/Capricorn Risings —> Saturn opposing/squaring/conjunct Pluto/Mars within 3 degrees

2nd house Pluto/Mars may struggle as well with this

I feel like the conjunctions might not feel it as much or it might not be as negative as the oppositions/squares are.

Those with Jupiter/Venus ruling the 2nd house also may not feel it as negatively, given the positive influence of benefics.

[malachiteclouds]

Some thoughts on Scorpio Moons

as a scorpio moon I have to say Im not sure I would make the best mother.

I recently got two cats with my man and one got sick and I couldn't sleep for a couples nights bc my mind was racing, thinking about how if she died through the night and I was asleep while it happened I would never forgive myself. since scorpio can be such an obsessive sign and the moon is affiliated with our nurturing abilities and tendencies, I find myself being obsessive towards anything I need to nurture to the point of being too miserable to even enjoy it.

I also think bc scorpio moons or placements in general tend to see the dark underbelly of a lot of twisted and taboo things, sometimes the knowledge of it transforms into an obsessive awareness of it.

for example my scorpio moon is in the 5th house, I worked a long time in child care. I was really good at it and formed strong bonds with the children bc I was so protective of them. however bc of my own life experiences, I notice a lot of things that tend to go over caregivers heads like certain ways that older men look at kids in public, dark sides of the internet thr can come from just one photo of your kid online, etc etc. I know too much about all of that stuff that i would constantly stress about it. I had a lot of dreams about really morbid and terrible things happening to the children in my care cause I was just so terrified about the darkness that exists within the world getting it's filthy hands around the kids I took care of. this made parts of the job unbearable.

I think this is why scorpio moon mothers can be so suffocating and domineering bc a lot of the time it may come from their own traumas or knowledge of darkness being projected onto their children. I know if I did have my own kids I would have to work through a lot of my own shadow.

[paradoxicalrising]

Astrology Observations :)

preface: this is my first time doing this, these are all either my personal placements or I've had multiple experiences with a certain placement. none of this is absolute, pretty pls take it with a grain of salt, these are very general. Every single one of these placements depend on aspects in an individuals chart. WARNING: some 18+ topics. Enjoy :)

Mercury in the 8th house: naturally good at reading people, interested in psychology, religion, spirituality, astrology. chronic over thinkers + intrusive thoughts galore. could either really enjoy giving/ receiving head and/or dirty talk, reading smut.

Pisces Mars: sweethearts on the surface, usually soft-spoken or doesn’t talk much, spends more time observing or making up scenarios. also another overthinking placement. could also be someone who does drugs/ drinks alcohol. excels in the entertainment industries (film, theatre, music, art etc). either have a piss kink, foot fetish, or demisexual. 

Scorpio Venus: intense lovers. my ex had this placement and told me he’d die for me only knowing me 3 months. my sister also has this placement and will not eat dinner without her husband (could be the taurus opposition = not eating (taurus) until lover (Venus) is around), I think it’s a symbol of loyalty. once this placement finds value in someone, they are ride or die type loyal until you betray them. may stay in relationships longer than they should because it’s fixed emotion unless they finally see it themselves.

Cancer Moon (men specifically): I've had 3 cancer moon men take me to the beach on our first date. they’re always gassing themselves up on their cooking skills. their moms can be really restricting, especially those with Saturn in cancer as well. I've also seen their moms be really detached, cold, basically telling them to fend for themselves. highly intuitive but may get too caught up in the potential of a situation/ person and being disappointed when reality is different. hopeless romantics fr just throwing themselves into anyone they have a good feeling about without the physical proof.

Fixed Rising: the RBF (I love y’all). 

Vedic v. Tropical Astrology: honestly I think they’re both valid, and everyone should decide what placements resonate more with who they feel they are. Ex: I  have Venus, Jupiter, and my Sun in the 7th in Virgo (Tropical) but they’re in the 8th in Leo (Vedic). I feel more of the 8th house but in Virgo.

Pisces moons: I never feel like they’re listening to me if they aren’t looking at me because when they’re looking at me I can literally see them digesting the info w/ their dreamy eyes, but when they look away I just know they’re imagining some kind of fantasy that has nothing to do with the convo. 

Libra Moons: try to be soft and sweet but they have that fiery underside. I've noticed they’ll get all excited and sometimes aggressive and then apologize for it, like no girl look at you having a good time. they usually look aesthetically pleasing, you will never catch them not matching/ lookin raggedy in public, but they won’t judge others for it, Virgo and Taurus will haha.

Virgo + Libra: specifically rising + degrees, moon, or Venus combo usually have clear, healthy looking skin, especially after high school w/o all the teen acne hormones. 

Moon Conjunct Pluto: anyone else noticed the effect these placements have on their peers? it’s so weird but people are like magnetized to whatever house this placement is in. I guess cos it’s generational and yk it’s Pluto, but people around this placement can’t help but be enticed by these individuals. could be amazing actors if they can harness those dark emotions into a piece of work. these are the type of people to succeed out of spite of their trauma; very determined people. they can put such dark emotions into easy actions and words that others find hard to say out loud but they don’t shy away from dark stuff, they’ve dealt with darker topics since they were young.

Neptune in the 1st house: people constantly projecting onto these placements ! it’s important these people form a ground sense of self they can remind themselves of when they feel like someone is protecting on them. I have this placement and someone told me I was intoxicating to be around/ they felt intoxicated around me though they are sober. I fr think people get drunk off the illusion of this placement. These people are never what people say they are, if you want to get to know them I beg of you to please talk to them yourself instead of listening to others opinion of them. the women are cursed with the manic pixie dream girl trope. hella sex appeal bc of the blurred perceptions. make amazing actors/ musicians. very intuitive placement, but can doubt themselves.

[bitesize-astrology]

Emotionally Done

Thursday - November 7, 2024

I have one area in my life where I have let certain individuals run emotional "roughshod" over me (roughshod - when someone does what they want without giving any attention to other people or what they want or need). Face it, we all have. But then one day you realize that can't continue and you decide to say NO MORE.

Today you not only say NO MORE, but decide to YES, MORE PLEASE to those things that bring you emotional happiness, satisfaction and wellness.

Today the Moon will conjunct Pluto in Capricorn at 29° at 5:37pm ET. This is the LAST Moon/Pluto conjunction in Capricorn for 245 years. (And my apologies, I incorrectly said the same thing on October 11th, but I double-checked this time!!!) So there is an emotional habit or tone that comes to an end today IF YOU CHOOSE TO END IT.

It could be you have an emotional reliance on someone or something, and that needs to end. It could be the way you emotional react in certain situations, and a measured response is more in order. Or it could be that you are damn tired of feeling a certain way, and today say NO MORE.

But I encourage you not to focus on the NO MORE, because what you focus upon expands. Instead use the energy of Jupiter retrograding to 19° Gemini and focus on what you are saying YES, MORE PLEASE to. Focus on the YES to feeling emotionally more complete. YES to feeling more emotionally in charge and aware of your feelings. And YES to emotional fulfillment.

Use today's energy to build and fortify, climb and conquer. And to control your own emotional landscape.

[paradoxical-plutonian]

"Weeping Willow", July 4, 2023

[daportalpractitioner]

Hi. Are you able to talk about moon conjunct Pluto mother? Recently had my first born and not sure if I like this placement as his mother? It’s in his 8th house, whole sign and 7th house placidus . I have sun and venus 5th Pisces placidus. Thank you

first of all, congratulations on your baby! i'm not a mother yet, so please take my advice with a grain of salt.

moon conjunct pluto is not a placement to fear. in fact, it's a very powerful placement and a lot of people with this placement fear that very same power. this fear can come from repressed emotions that have no outlet to erupt, family trauma that led you to feel unsafe, experiencing abuse (which is a common theme with pluto-influenced people), etc etc. it requires you to really learn how to validate yourself, embrace your darkness, and do what it takes to protect you and your child(ren). you are the dark mother.

with your 5th house placements and that 8h synastry, i would be mindful of putting your identity in motherhood. you are still a person, a woman at the end of the day and you were not destined to live for anyone before yourself. don't abandon yourself for your baby. if you want to be able to be the best version of yourself for your baby, then make sure that you are pouring into (your name), the person so that you can be (your name), the mother.

hope this helps!!! x

[ooooshetriesss]

ASTROLOGY RELATED!

If you LOVE astrology … u MIGHT want this intel:info for science purposes…

Positive sides of Pluto/moon +Pluto/venus in Scorpio in synastry..

I recently found out my Rope Top not only has moon+pluto conjunct in his natal (scorpio)

But it’s ALSO conjunct MY Pluto/venus conjunction …

And well yeah..that explains…. A lot..💀

I think this is even more fascinating cause, we tie platonically..and despite HIM having a lot of experience w/rope & myself havin little prior to us meeting/tying… not only did we move pretty fast into tying/suspension..NOT because we were rushing; but I’ll never forget him saying “idk what it is.. but the min I got u in rope & saw how u reacted… I knew i could trust u to trust ur body.”

We DEFINITELY share a crazy telepathic connection in rope.

We never plan out anything & yet we end up always pulling these INCREDIBLE collaborations.. he’s always telling me how meaningful our tying is to him; so I know it’s a reciprocal feeling.

But the most interesting thing I wanna mention that I’ve noticed in this … is HOW *healing* tying with him is & just being in his presence generally is.

Specially towards the end… I’ll come down from the ropes, he’ll drag me into his chest & lay there on the floor as we both just kinda merge.. it’s the deep INTENSE physical contact I’ve ALWAYS wanted…

But by someone who 1) respects me, 2) respects my boundaries & 3) I’m at a point in my life where I realize u can want to be grabbed hard…. DEEPLY & STILL not want to be emotionally hurt… I’m honoring those things about myself. Ive gone thru A LOT of trauma in my life, but am at a point where im choosing to bloom from those years of torrential downpour, rather then drowning in it…

He’s someone whose done insane amounts of work to integrate his shadow aspects positively (a journey I’m on atm myself)

A HUGE time of transformation for me…

(My Scorpio conjunction in my chart 11H is also aspected by my 8H moon in cancer … which is conjunct my Chiron & Jupiter..)

The more I learn about astrology… the more it absolutely blows my mind.

[mercurianchild]

A lot of people romanticise Pluto stuff, until they experience Pluto stuff

[myun-saidthoughts]

8th House Synastry Observations

🍄 These types of connections (romantic or platonic) can't be lighthearted; if there is genuine care within the dynamic intensity is very likely.

🍄 You have to consciously tell yourself to "not react" in moments when the other person fails to meet your expectations.

🍄 Emotions flood within you before your brain can logically calm you down.

🍄 Upset facial expressions/elongated eye glances/staring oftentimes can occur when the other person is again *failing to meet expectations.*

🍄 You always will compare how *they* make you feel vs how other people make you feel.

🍄 With other intense synastry aspects (such as more 4h/12h, nodal, or vertex synastry) or genuine care, reading each other just by their eyes alone is extremely easy. Just by a look, you will know how they feel.

🍄 In these connections you may know what not to do, you logically will know that the long period of stares, the obvious dissatisfaction you feel is not really justified usually because of outside factors, the lack of foundation within the connection, or just by the fact there's been little to no communication on either end, and yet that doesn't change or minimize the pain or feelings you have towards them from their actions.

🍄 Even if one person doesn't have natal scorpio/pluto/8th house placements/aspects in their chart, if they care about the other person; they will also have intense expectations on the other person.

🍄 In a platonic opposite-gender connection where one party has a romantic partner, you might understand that their actions towards you should lessen, especially in respect towards their partner but despite that rational understanding, the pull of your connection with them often overrides. Even if a part of you wants to respect their relationship logically and consciously, the underlying need for their attention or care persists.

🍄 In romantic connections (especially with moon/venus in another's 8th house) their eyes (the planet person) tells you it's okay to let that vulnerable side of you that you've shunned out, and without words; that emotional closeness that you've always wished to feel is suddenly fulfilled and with ease.

🍄 8th house connections undertake more Plutonian energy. If you are un-healed, then their actions or lack thereof can ignite parts of your character that you don't even recognize.

🍄 If you struggle with BPD/BPD tendencies then connections that take on more 8th house/pluto synastry will feel enticing and familiar, you are more likely to be drawn to the intense high and lows that this connection brings.

🍄 The deep rooted attraction with these connections mainly lies in the fact that you can allow yourself to feel emotionally close and vulnerable to someone else, the more you crave expressing emotional vulnerability the more attractive they become to you. (especially with objective/attraction synastry aspects)

🍄 Once their actions or once certain consist factors/situations creates a severe emotional blockage between you and them; the less desirable they will feel to you (especially so if you struggle with polarizing emotions)

🍄 It could be months since you've spoken to them, months since their eyes have met yours and if you still struggle with emotional acceptance/self love/self worth/self value; then a longing for them might ignite in any abrupt moment (whether it be from a photo of them, running into a mutual friend, from reading a cathartic quote that reminds you of them) a spark that once persisted for so long will make it's self known, and the part of you that you thought you said good-bye too, might reappear again.

🍄 8th house connections consist of cycles and loops, it's a dilemma of letting go to longing, it's understandable to sometimes have these waves of wanting even if you logically know you shouldn't.

🍄 Longing for one another on both ends (all that needs to be present is sincere care) can occur.

🍄 The longing you feel if they do leave your presence is the part of you that craves emotional closeness and serenity.

🍄 Logically you may know and have objective expectations of how they should treat you because of other factors and yet certain expectations or desires you have within will persist.

🍄 Even if nothing substantial or foundational ever occurred between the two of you, the reactions within you might reenact as if the two of you dated for months, years even.

🍄 There could be an emotional block between you two and the desire for them may diminish but If they look at you for one second the way they used too, the desire for them will arise as if the feeling never left.

🍄 In romantic/attraction based relationships, and if you share 12th/South Node synastry/conjunctions with them; then you might feel this underlying tension to stay loyal to them.

Example:

For the more anxious type or with natal 12th/8th influence: At a party you focus on not giving another person too much attention because you feel they might get jealous or upset, even if there's nothing foundational. You only focus on their eyes in the room, and you make sure to showcase that your undivided attention is on them; even if they don't do or say anything to receive that loyal behavior. You can't help it.

For the more avoidant type or without natal 12th/8th influence (or no attraction even): You might overcompensate and try to talk/give attention to other people in front of them to showcase how "little" you care; so you may try to act like they are unimportant. This behavior could be out of insecurity, especially if this occurs when you feel jealous/or if they didn't exceed an expectation you had. It also could stem from the fact you feel fearful that you care and it feels uncomfortable that you dislike when they receive attention from others. (another note is if you're avoidant and when you get too much attention from someone else, you may realize how little you care about the 'distraction' you asked for and you'll start to wish the person in front of you was person you share 8th house synastry with)

The loops!! Cycles!! Staring! Longing! You want them then you don't, then you do, then you don't.

💞 In these observations each individual has to be emotionally prepared and open to emotional closeness, if someone is emotionally and spiritually un-evolved then no matter how "open" you naturally feel with them, that should never justify reoccurring pain or abuse that the other party causes 💞

[bouquetface]

Solar Return Observations 6

Accuracy is influenced by ENTIRE chart

SR DSC in 8th H - transformation in your relationships. Depending on how 7th h and 7th h ruler are placed/aspected, this will determine whether it is positive or negative.

SR 7th H Ruler conjunct SR Pluto - another indicator of transformation in relationships. If well placed in 7th H, this can show marriage/engagement. If negatively placed in 6th or 8th, this can show a breakup. However, this depends on the ENTIRE chart.

DIVORCE STORY in SR:

SR South Node conjunct SR 7th H Ruler - this is one indicator for a breakup in a romantic, platonic or business relationship. My sister had this the year she began to have serious issues in her marriage. This conjunction occurred with SR 7th H Ruler in 6th H - this house can show a person’s struggles/burdens.

SR 7th H Ruler conjunct Pluto - The year after my sister began having issues in her marriage, my sister had this in SR. This was the year they finalized the divorce. For serious events like this there are always more than one indicator.

The year of her divorce she had SR Jupiter & South anode in 8th H. 8th H deals with resources that aren’t yours and court matters. To divorce she went to court, she gained some assets (Jupiter expands) but she also lost a lot. It was also a permanent detachment from her partner’s resources (South node brings decrease/detachment).

SR North Node was in 2nd H. This often indicates gaining resources - buying things, finding new income, being helped out, etc. However she has Saturn in her natal 2nd H. Saturn brings restriction/limits so this can influence the fact that she didn’t gain an excessive amount. North Node can be obsessive wherever it is placed.

She had SR Mercury conjunct Mercury in 7th H. When planets in the 7th H or 7th H ruler return to their home, there is usually some major event being triggered. In her case, it brought the end of her marriage.

SR Venus conjunct SR Uranus in 6th H - uranus conjunct venus can bring sudden and shocking changes to venus related things - love, money, etc. She was aware they were having troubles, she was not expecting him to ever ask for a divorce. This is because he had always said he was against it. This was in 6th H, this further indicates the change is likely to be negative.

This conjunction squared SR MARS, mars represents cutting/separating among other things. 6th H also deals with pets. They owned 2 dogs together, she had to give one up in the divorce.

If you have similar placements don’t worry because your ENTIRE chart will be different. This influences how placements manifest.

SR MC conjunct Saturn - this can indicate you might need to develop thick skin when it comes to your public reputation. ex: if opposite mercury, you may be aware of people gossiping about you.

SR Mars conjunct Venus - It shows passion - this can come out in a good way or negative way. There may be conflict within a current romantic connection. The person ik w/ this broke up w/ their boyfriend that year. However, for big life changes there are always multiple indicators so don’t worry if you’re in a relationship. Another manifestation of this is you may make careless/impulsive purchases.

6th H stellium (SR Venus, Mars, Uranus, Sun, Mercury) This year this person experienced a lot of health issues. They struggled mentally and physically. This person gave birth 2 years prior to this year. The interesting thing is her child has Moon conjunct Ketu in natal. In vedic this conjunction indicates the mother will experience minor or serious health problems after the person’s birth/in their childhood.

NEW RELATIONSHIP STORY in SR:

In natal they have a cancer 7th H w/ mercury and south node. In SR, they had SR Venus conjunct Mercury in 7th H AND SR South Node conjunct South Node in 7th H. This emphasizes something signifiant would happen. However, 7th H Ruler (Moon for this person) was in 8th H. The 8th H connection and South Node in 7th indicates this is a karmic and past life connection. They met someone who they dated seriously for years. BUT this person turned out to be a very toxic and narcissistic person. This person has said this felt like a past life connection.

If you have similar placements don’t worry because your ENTIRE chart will be different. This influences how placements manifest.

❤️‍🔥 When you do have many relationship indicators, you can find traits of the partner based on where natal & SR 7th H Ruler is placed.

For ex: Aries 7th H contains SR VENUS & SR NORTH NODE. SR DSC conjunct Venus. This could show a relationship coming into your life. To find out what the partner will be like check where SR Mars is as it’s the 7th H Aries Ruler.

If sr mars is in 11th H leo - the person will be like a best friend. they may be very social. they may have many friends.

If sr mars conjuncts Jupiter or Venus - this person will be a serious relationship. they may be the person you marry. you would need to check so many other charts and dasha periods to be sure of this. All this is very general information.

if sr mars conjunct asc - this person could be controlling. they may be a bit aggressive if the chart is negative. they may encourage you to take on aries traits - be bold, stand up for yourself, independent, etc.

[ancientgoddessofegypt]

Scorpio Moon/8th House Observations: The Good, Bad, & The Ugly.

Scorpio Moons/8th House Moons are and interesting brand of individuals. As they are the most secretive in the group, they are also the ones who hide their hand a lot of the time.

Scorpio/8th House Moons have a tendency to leave their vulnerable state in the closet when around a certain crowd. This isn't always a bad thing, however the closer you get the more they'll put you through a test. This is unbeknownst to people most of the time. They dont like to tell you when their putting you through a test because wheres the fun in that? To prove your loyalty, you must already be ahead of the game. They hold a lot of secrets, and because they have to know who can go through this made up maze to get to the other side, you will be on the closed end of the hearts until you are close enough to be given the key.

8th house moons are capable of being vulnerable to the right individuals, however this may take a few years. You could know this person all your life and you still wouldn't know too much of them. I would say its because they don't trust you but its deeper than that. They dont trust themselves.

As scorpios can be a walking mirror, others are mirrors to them as well. They cannot hide their skeletons as much as they think they can, because its always staring back at them through others. Again, people do not realize they are doing this to them. Only scorpios moons can tell when something is showing it self through others on a psychological basis.

Scorpio Moons/8th house moons are 'mysterious' due to not expressing their emotions to people on a day to day basis. While everyone else is used to expressing their emotions (depending on the house) in a more open manner, these individuals are always controlling them. This gets to the point where this becomes unhealthy. Because later down the line, the energy thats hurling up inside of them eventually needs a release. & when its not.... it'll get poisonous. The venom starts shooting out in more ways then one, causing them to hurt people in the process.

They can have psychological warfares going on if they are not healing what is locked in those closets of theres, which is why its safe to say they must be more vulnerable as this is apart of the healing process.

Most won't ever go this far, though. Most times they feel the need to show this to romantic lovers and lovers alone. & This is when we see the heart attack. Because the lover is suppose to be the one that doesnt judge you so what happens when they do? They shut them and the rest of the world out. Scorpio moons/8th house moons already dont show to much to their family, because they grew up being on a different dimension then the rest of them and are often misunderstood. So if your lover or not even your friends can love you even in the state you hide the most.. who can?

So all those precious secrets, dreams, talents, skills and powerful emotions get locked away and to never be seen again. Sometimes they might show us a glimpse of what it is that they have going on in that beautiful world of theres but eventually hide back into their shell because how do they know if youre just saying that to be real? Or just trying to find a way to get into what's in their minds?

One thing I will say is that is a toxic trait is their ability of being a master manipulator and hiding their hand. When it suits them, they do this to get the other hand. Especially when they're trying to prove their 'point'. Because I have known many 8th house moons and scorpio moons personally (and have so for many, many years) there has never been a dull moment where this did not happen. To prove their point and to seem less guilty, they will only show you one side of the story. You need to know how to discern and listen out for the things they say or you'll be sitting in that loop of destruction and lies.

You have to be up on your game on how manipulation works to see how they could be doing it since they are already so good at it. If they only show you 'one side' and I mean if every time you guys talk or link up they are only showing you one version of their complex personality and thats it. You are not getting the full dose of who they are and thats okay. They might not be sure if they can show that side to you yet, or at all. And from what I've noticed, most dont see the reason too if they like you enough.

If you are very close to them though, at some point they arent able to hide these traits like they think they do. Because there were times where I pointed out the things that they do at times were wrong, selfish and manipulative and they would 'stop' doing it but later down the line you would realize they just found a better way to hide it and never really changed it. Not only that, they'll probably stop telling you certain things so you will look at them a certain way. And if that doesnt work? They will run & hide for the hills.

Its all about the control, and if their not able to control their inner reality from showing itself to you, then they will get you out of their outer reality. Works to keep that 'magician' persona alive.

Another thing I will express about them is that most times they are not fully aware of their darkness but are still coming into terms with it. So many childhood, woes, fears, and psychological traumas can come out through these placement holders because they are most likely the healers of their generation. Their family bloodlines are needed to be healed through them so these beings can go through a lot when its time to get through the trauma. Healing is not linear for them so at times this can look very crazy so they need someone who understand them in some way because they do not understand themselves most of the time.

They do have wonderful insight on the world around them and can see through anybody if given the green light (green light as in morphing into their surrounds and allowing information to come through them without trying to control it). I would be mindful with telling them certain stuff, people feel the need to tell them things because it feels easy to (like any water sign) but I'd hold back a bit if you know someone with those placements. Because although most can keep a secret some will lash out and may use them against you. This is the unevolved ones of course and sometimes most won't use it against you per say, will just use it or talk about it as if you didnt just share a vulnerable moment with them & act like its nothing.

I'll speak more on these individuals later, as this is a pretty heavy topic. And I wrote too much lol. If you enjoyed my insight on the placements let me know :) I like feedback.