#mockerd3light

[theparadiseproject]

They are still making up stuff that absolutely did not happen at all.

The vibes in this case is being normal and liking the character btw

[n0tark]

go read Post-Mortem by MockerDelight on ao3 PLEEEASSEEE. it’s about gojo reincarnating in the MHA verse with a phenomenal portrayal of his characterization and a subversion of the classic isekai-esque tropes!!! also it’s the best i’ve seen of this very niche gojo in other universes sub genre on ao3… it kept me on the edge of my seat like ohhh my god. also there’s ocs but TRUST they’re good and grounded and further the story!! the canonical characters interacting and situations are also really interesting!! god it’s like a character study of him i swear. @mockerd3light YAYAAAA

[evasive-anon]

@mockerd3light, I love your tags but I'm actually about to do a HEAVY lore drop showing their actual ages for this story and its smaller than you think.

This comic was written in Nov 2005 which means its the original ages for Jason (17/18) and Tim (16) as established in the comics at that time which means Jason was 18 at MOST during this point of the story. My opinion is he was 17 physically the entire storyline but 17/ 18 chronologically 'cause of the 6 months he spent dead.

Here is the timeline determining ages as best as I can tell:

Robin Vol. 2 #116 (July 23, 2003) - Tim's 16th birthday when Bruce gives him the gift of trauma and not being able to trust anyone.

Batman #617 (July 30, 2003) - #618 (August 27, 2003) - Husk storyline, Jason is 17 assuming this is less than 6 months before Batman #619 which seems very likely. (This is when Tim's throat was actually slit. Ok so technically this wasn’t even Jason at release but it was retconned later that Jason was there for part of this so we’re including it though this actually was retconned AFTER Titans Tower was written so really shouldn't be included in the writers intended optics either even though it was chronologically before within the universe.)

Batman #619 (September 24, 2003) - Start of Under the Red Hood, Jason is still 17.

Detective Comics #790 (Jan 7, 2004) - Bruce goes to Jason's grave for his 18th bday. (Using this as the baseline to show Jason was 17 prior to, this occurs during the UtRH storyline so Jason was back in Gotham for his 18th bday.)

Identity Crisis #5 (October 20, 2004) - tells us Tim is 16 years old.

Batman #633 (October 27. 2004) - Steph "dies" following torture at the hands of Black mask. Tim is confirmed to be 16 years old when this happens. I was shocked going back this happened DURING Jason's story arch and they STILL didn't work it in. I get he was a villain and fighting for Steph would have been good guy behavior but damn.

Batman #635 (December 29, 2004) - Jason has the scene with the dufflebag of heads. Jason is 18 chronologically, 17 physically.

Robin Vol. 2 #136 (March 23, 2005) - tells us Tim is still 16.

Teen Titans #29 (December 2005) - couldn't find exact date on this one. Jason is 18 chronologically, 17 physically. Tim is 16.

Batman #649 (January 25, 2006) - Under the Red Hood story ends, batarang incident, Bludhaven gets nuked. Jason is 18 going by his bday but if its been less than 6 months since issue 619 in the dc universe than arguably Jason is physically still 17 because of the time he spent dead, not even touching on the arrested development argument from the catatonic zombie period after his resurrection.

Batman Annual #25 (March 1, 2006) - establishes Jason was dead for 6 months, adds him to the husk storyline, and confirms Jason loves bread. (The last bit is very important.)

52 (July 2006 - July 2007) - this comic run had an issue come out every week for a year. This comic examines A FULL YEAR IN THE LIFE OF THE CHARACTERS. Tim turns 17 during this arch. That means definitely the Under the Red Hood story lasted much less than a year because Tim was 16 before and well after it started. This supports Jason being physically 17 for its entirety.

Jason was aged up in UtRH in retcons that occurred in Red Hood Lost Days (2010) and in the UtRH movie (2010). Both of these released nearly 5 years after the Titans Tower incident so those age changes were not intended to be their canon for Teen Titans #29.

Jason Attacking Tim at Titans Tower

Fanon vs Canon

We've all seen the versions in fanfiction but I'm not so sure everyone's seen the original so if you're one of those batfam fans who doesn't want to read the comics (regardless of reasons) but you are curious about how it actually went this is for you.

What I'm addressing:

What does Jason actually say to Tim during the attack?

Did Jason drug all the other Titans?

Did Jason really wear a Robin costume?

Did Jason slit Tim's throat or call him replacement?

Did Jason actually break Tim's bo staff?

Was Tim crying or scared?

Did Jason write a message on the wall in Tim's blood?

Did Jason's eyes glow green?/Did he follow pit rage mechanics?

Panels and details below. This is a LONG one.

What did Jason actually say to Tim during the attack?

Dialogue in fanfiction during the Titans Tower attack varies based on what kind of fic you're reading but usually its either 'time to clip Replacement's wings' if its staying a beatdown whump 'or oh no precious lil bby why is no one watching you' if its an accidental child acquisition. Not judging either option, but this ain't about them its about the real shit.

Look at these opening lines:

Hey, Tim. I was here first.You're the Red Hood. You've been cleaning up Gotham the easy way. Easy? What do you know about easy, Tim? You had a father that looked after you. You went to a private school, right? You slept in a bed. I slept on the streets, I lived in the alleyways in Gotham. Trying to survive. Until Bruce took me in. I trained as hard as I could. I did whatever he asked. . . at least at first. But it didn't matter. They said I wasn't tough enough to be robin. But today, they say you are. Show me, Tim. Show me what you have that I didn't.

Jason really puts himself out there in all of his dialogue in this encounter, the struggle of having to fight for anything and everything he got in life, even the things that came to everyone else for free, and then being told he wasn't even good enough for the things he fought for.

There's a trope in fanfics that if Jason knew Tim stalked Batman and forced his way into being Robin that it would change how Jason felt about the situation but that's even addressed in this comic:

You were a kid, worried about how Batman was spiraling down into darkness. You spent weeks tracking the dark knight. Solving a mystery no one else could. You discovered who he was behind that mask. Millionaire Bruce Wayne. You were so pleased with yourself, I'm sure that you forgot who you were really dealing with. I know Bruce Wayne. And let me tell you, Tim if someone was trying to find out who Batman really was. If someone was stalking him for weeks. He'd know about it. You can't be that good. I am. He let you find him. And I bet he said the same thing to you as he did to me, didn't he? That you had a talent to make a difference in Gotham. That he needed someone he could trust in war on crime. That you were one of a kind. The light to his darkness. Robin, the Boy Wonder.

Tim saying 'I am' is really such a moment that doesn't come through in text because he is right that he really did do that but I also completely understand why Jason wouldn't believe it.

TBH my favorite part is how done Tim honestly sounds with Jason thoughout all his trauma dumping. Like imagine a grown man who used to work the same part time job as you breaking into your house, dressing up in your work uniform, ranting about how much the job ruined his life while he beats your ass??? God, and he probably had to write a fucking report about it after. RIP Timmy.

What do you want? Do you want to be Robin again? Is that it? You... want to take it away from me? Why in the hell would I ever want that? Don't you get it? When I died no one cared! No one remembered me. Are you completely insane? No one could forget you. I've spent my entire career wearing this mask under your shadow. I had to convince Batman to let me try this. All because he'll never stop blaming himself for what happened to you. You ask me, that's the only reason he hasn't taken you down. He's holding back. But me? No freakin' way. That's the Robin I wanted to see. Still. You do realize the whole idea of training a teenager to fight against something he'll never eradicate is a mistake. It didn't even surprise anyone when I died. When I failed. I failed-- but I'm still beating you. Do you think you're that good now?! Do you really, Tim? Yes.

Tim bashing Jason across the face as he says 'no freakin' way'? *chefs kiss*

Jason drugging the other Titans to knock them out?

Little bit true, Kory was actually just already away from the tower and BB and Cyborg were about to bounce because of the drama going on with Donna's return but Jason like super tazes them and then drugs Raven who he thought already went through enough shit without him knocking her out violently.

Note: Jason says in the text here that he never rolled with Cyborg or BB but like he actually did in some comics so?? The continuity is lie I guess idk.

Did he show up in Red Hood gear or a Robin costume?

Both tbh but he spent most of the time in the Robin costume but bro actually made a stripper rip away version of his Red Hood gear so he could dramatically reveal the Robin costume underneath. I can't believe no one ever includes that in their fics its so fucking funny.

Does he call Tim 'replacement' or slit his throat?

No, this came from a Batman comic with Hush not Teen Titans. That incident takes place in a graveyard not Titans Tower and he calls Tim pretender not replacement.

Does Jason break Tim's staff?

Tragically, no. The bo staff snap would have been iconic. Instead he just takes Tim's staff and beats Tim up with it and breaks stuff. BUT!! He uses it to bust a statue in the TITANS MEMORIAL ROOM which is a place in Titans Tower just for having statues of dead previous titans and Jason is rightfully pissed he didn't get one. Like Tim is correct in saying no one forgot him still but like I would be hurt too if all my friends made cool statues of friends that died and then just left my zombie ass out, like wtf.

Note: I am seriously losing my shit that I have never seen someone bring up the memorial room in a fanfic. That is so much angst material. 😭

Tim crying/ being scared?

Hell no. He's a fucking Robin you know he's being a sassy boy the whole time, even towards the end when he's about done he's still saying he's her and I love Tim for that.

Note: There are a few different times where Tim does a flippy Robin move and then Jason just fucking copies it like flexing that he can do it too, and its just so petty and stupid he's trying so hard to be better than an actual child. 💀I get why in the context of the situation but its still so ridiculous.

Message on the wall in Tim's blood?

TBH I really don't know for sure on this one?? Like its implied that he did but Tim isn't bleeding all that much throughout this beatdown and like we don't see Jason do it just the Titans reacting to seeing it after. It could be Tim's blood, it could be red paint, and it could even be that Jason packed an actual bucket of blood to bring with him to write a message with after he finished. TBH the world is your oyster on this one.

Note: If anyone can find another comic where this event was brought up where they actually clarify it was Tim's blood hmu and I'll update this but I couldn't find any.

Pit rage/ glowing green eyes?

Fanon only at this point in the comics. Jason is seems to be himself and even thinks Tim and his friends are pretty cool at the end, and he's just like reflecting on if he had good friends if he would have turned out better as he leaves.

[tutantmeenageneetleteetles]

( jaune is a main character though ( both team rwby and jnpr were main characters team rwby are the protagonists ( primary main characters while jnpr are deutaragonist team ( secondary main characters ) and there are parallels between arkos with salem and ozma ( with pyrrha being ozma and jaune being in the salem role ( there are multiple parallels between pyrrha and ozma ( ozpin is not an asshole ( I still stand by my stance team Qrwby were jerks ( and hypocrites )

Idk how to tell you this but the show isn’t called RWBYJ. JNPR are main supporting characters, but in the end the show is still called RWBY. It’s about team RWBY and everyone else is supporting them. With the parallels between arkos and the immortals, I really just don’t care dude. Pyrrha’s been dead longer than she’s been alive like she’s gone. I’m not gonna spend my time arguing about a character that had death flags up the wazoo right up until she died. And I’m gonna stand by my opinion of Ozpin not being in the right and qrwby were rightfully angry. I’m just going to quote @mockerd3light ‘s entire post because they did a really good job of explaining it:

“Qrow: He had the biggest reaction, seeing as he has been fighting for Ozpin’s Ozlluminati for what we assume is at least 15+ years he’s just been told by the man himself that he has no plan to defeat Salem. In his view Oz has literally been throwing bodies (people Qrow has worked with and presumably seen die in horrific ways) at the problem with no plan to end or at least neutralize Salem(this is from his perspective; in my view I think that Ozpin has probably tried a lot of shit to neutralize Salem probably even stuff that was morally reprehensible, he has had hella lifetimes after all) Yang: who joined this whole journey to look after Ruby(WHO JOINED THIS LIttLE CABAL TO FIGHT SALEM) who says what boils down to “You haven’t told us the whole truth at all, how can we trust you?” this coming off her confrontation with Raven and the knowledge that people will look for all kinds of excuses to explain what she sees as cowardice. Yang in this moment is raring to go for a verbal argument, which is clarified when she says “We aren’t done talking yet!” when Ozpin retreats from the confrontation(understandable seeing as he’s just relived his oldest trauma involuntarily and just had one of the people he is closest too in this life tell him that their meeting “was the worst luck of [his] life”) This retreat does have the effect of exacerbating the problem. No one else really says anything except for Ruby, who doesn’t yell or anything, but simply asks; “Do you have a plan to defeat Salem?”. In later volumes Ruby is quite behind the concept that they don’t need to destroy Salem to defeat her. The inciting incident for Qrow is when Oz straight up says “I don’t have a plan to defeat her.” then Qrow loses control and punches him(Which is a whole different bag of worms since he is actually punching Oscar as well). I find that a lot of people who criticize this scene in how RWBY and Qrow are terrible for having this reaction and they all became huntresses for reasons other than Salem have a tendency to ignore the context. At this point in the show, they aren’t here as huntresses, they are here specifically because they have learned about Salem and the Relics(which are only explained to them+Qrow as objects of great power) and want to help prevent the fall of humanity at her hands.” (Here’s the post https://mockerd3light.tumblr.com/post/645850332653649920/semblance-of-sanity)

Ozpin really has been just kinda throwing bodies at the problem with no real plan, so I’d say the others were rightfully angry when finding out they’re essentially just more bodies to throw. I’m not saying that everyone did everything right, because if they did, that wouldn’t make for a very interesting story. I get that you wish Jaune was the main character, but he’s not and never will be. That’s what fanfiction is for.

[laufire]

I'm a basic bitch for this one, but I'd love to know a bit of your interpretation of a time travel: Robin Jason.

I came up with the basis for that one a while ago, when I was still actively seeking for jason fics and often disappointed by the results. I saw a trope that often came up was de-aging jason/swapping him for robin!jason/bringing robin!jason into the present. and I saw a lot of things about how it was done (granted, I know I haven't read every example of it) that just... irked me, in ways I couldn't properly put into words. as always happens in those cases, I think about how I could put it words, albeit more artistically xDD

in this fic I use the third iteration: robin!jason (circa 13yo) suddenly appears in the present, with no apparent explanation. present!jason is still around, but unaware of this, as the other bats are keeping the situation under wraps. the first part of the fic will be in robin!jason's pov, as he figures out there's Something Up and sets to search for his counterpart. the second part is about what rh!jason does when that happens.

some things I want this fic to feature are

a) jasons being kind to other jasons!!! (my paramedic!jason-from-an-alternate-earth wip will feature that too!! this is just important to me. it's about chosing to give yourself the grace and the understanding you need because who else is going to? no one!!),

and b) damian having FEELINGS about robin!jason. the latter is what decided me re: the timeline; I saw a post about it (didn't reblog it so now I can't find it :( ), about damian meeting this kid that's so different from the jason he knows and especially the jason that always gets talked about, and about how damian would feel given how jason-the-cautionary-tale is presented to him in particular.

all of that is why I landed one a (sorta) post-convergence: batman and robin timeline for the fic, a place where present!jason and damian could know each other a bit better, with bruce present... and sasha is there!!! sasha meeting robin!jason is something that I needed to make happen, once the idea crossed my mind.

ask me about my wips!

[mynewhyperfixation]

The first bit of tags are from mockerd3light

Ideal dickbats and goodmom Talia co-parenting dynamic send post

[beelzeballing]

(points) YOU. you get it....

(tags by @mockerd3light)

it pmo so badly when some people are like "awww but ambessa was proud of her in her last moments 🥹" without thinking any further abt it cuz like... mel has spent the entire series, has spent her entire life struggling to be different from ambessa. trying to escape from the ways of her mother and the ways of noxus. we can see how deeply traumatized she is by her upbringing, the moment we see a flashback of in s1 especially. her arc in the first season literally concludes with her taking off the symbol of the the medarda family and explicitly contradicting her mother' wishes. mel does not WANT to be what her mother wants her to be.

and in the end the very last thing her mother says to her is that mel's become EXACTLY what she wanted her to become. it's such a deeply tragic moment because, in killing ambessa, while theoretically speaking freeing herself of her mother's expectations, mel has fulfilled them in their entirety. mel has become the wolf.

[i-am-extremely-mad]

“#there was no relationship established between them yet#they were strangers to eachother and if someone came that close to me all of a sudden they'd have my knee in their guts#arcane”

mockerd3light

“Tbh it made sense to me for Vi to be aggressive and try to make Cait uncomfortable. Other than people with shipping goggles it's clear Caitlyn is uncomfortable and Vi is going for q kind of mean teasing/intimidation. Other than established attraction Vi kinda hates her. A privileged enforcer trying to use her for her own ends.”

1hellofacookie

“@mockerd3light of course the scene made sense

but all people were on about is that its oh so hot which was just weird to me”

mockerd3light

“@1hellofacookie ur right, shipping goggles can warp a lot of stuff. Even if Cait/Vi is basically canon.”

In the context of that scene, at that time, yes, Vi just wanted to get rid of Caitlyn whom Vi at the time considered just another enforcer. She practically just wanted to drive Caitlyn away so she could go on her own search and investigation. 

But also that scene in the brothel as well as the scene few minutes later where Vi saw Caitlyn enjoying the company of another woman and smiled about it, served to confirm that Vi and Caitlyn are exclusively having an attraction to women (I assume that in their universe there is no words for lesbians). 

And as for the fandom, the fact that a lot of fans find that scene hot, it’s because “pinned up against the wall” trope and that kind of domination kink is more or less popular with many fandoms. Practically many fans react to that scene with the “God I Wish That Were Me” meme. I’m not that into it, but in this case I can understand why some fans are.

to anyone confused why this scene made me uncomfortable, just imagine Vi was a dude