#might delete in the morning cause idk if my point got across

[wrenthetitmouse]

It’s so hard to have conversations on the internet or even in person these days that require nuance. It’s like most people expect everything to be completely black and white and for everything to be neatly categorised into ‘bad’ or ‘good’, and if you think something different to them then you must automatically be bad or wrong. People seem to jump to their idea of what they think I’m saying before I’ve even finished speaking.

So many important discussions require nuance, and someone disagreeing with you does not always mean they are morally reprehensible! Take guns for example - guns are not inherently evil or bad, they can be useful or even vital tools for some. This does not mean that it’s okay for everyone and anyone to have access to any kind of gun. That’s not safe or sensible, automatic or semi-automatic rifles are NOT necessary for hunting or pest control, and (where I live) there are very strict laws around what kinds of gun you can have and how you can store them. That’s what I’m advocating for when I say that gun control is vitally important - but so many people hear that and think ‘gun control’ means ‘ban all guns ever!’ Which it obviously does not! What I’m saying is that me having access to cool flashy guns that make loud noises and can shoot very fast is WAYYYY lower down on the tier list of important things than keeping my community safe from gun violence (look up the port Arthur shooting if you need some context for why Tassie is stricter on guns than a lot of places). I’m not saying that everyone must have their guns seized for this to happen, but so many people seem to jump to that conclusion and fill in the blanks to get something from what I’m saying that never actually came out of my mouth. There are a lot of different ways that people think we should be doing this but having that conversation feels impossible because nuance just doesn’t seem to be do-able anymore for many people. I don’t know if this is because of the internet or just a people thing but it’s concerning.

There are some ideas that are deeply wrong and never ok, but there are a lot of areas where more nuance desperately needs to be tolerated and we need to hear each other out more without jumping to the attack. Practice discerning tolerance - tolerate differences in opinion that don’t cause harm, but don’t lie down and tolerate fascist ideology that actively harms people. And, for the love of god, can we please stop jumping to conclusions with what people are saying!

[eberles]

i hate u, i love u

Rafe Cameron

(gif by @toesure :)

Request: A Rafe fic based on the song “I hate u, I love you” by gnash (ft Olivia O’Brien) PLEASE MAJOR RAFE VIBES 🥺💖 @fav-imagines

A/N: I wanted to cry writing this lol idk why but it hit me right in the feels!! it’s kind of all over the place, if anyone is confused by, don’t worry bc i am too!!!! lol anyways enjoy!! (this is probably the first thing ive ever written that goes with rafe’s character) bold = lyrics, italics = flashbacks

Warnings: angst, mentions of drugs, cheating, lying, toxic relationship, swearing

feelin used, but im still missin you and i cant see the end of it just wanna feel your kiss against my lips and now all this time is passing by, but i still cant seem to tell you why it hurts me every time i see you, realize how much i need you

I’ve spent months sitting in my room staring at the ceiling, and at the walls. I did a full Bella Swan from New Moon and let 3 months go by without being present for any of them. I didn’t care honestly...Even after spending all that time alone, i’m not still not healed from the heartache that was caused by him. I still miss him, his scent, his kisses, his clothes, everything. Rafe.

I went out once and he was the last person I wanted or planned to see, but of course, he was the only person I actually saw. Sure, there were other people around, but none of them mattered. Everyone else felt greyed out except for him. He was the only light I could see in those short moments. Everything felt like it was moving in slow motion, my breath hitched in my throat and it felt like there was no air left to breathe.

After months it still hurts to see him again. It hurts because I realized I still need him even after everything. I hate him. So why do I love him? The feeling of him being the only one I want, the one nobody could ever replace...it’s overwhelming and I can’t seem to shake it. But me? He replaced. It looked like it was easy from my point of view. He needed her, wanted her, and i’m not her.

i miss you when i can’t sleep or right after coffee or right when i can’t eat, i miss you in my front seat, still got sand in my sweaters from nights we don’t remember. do you miss me like i miss you? fucked around and got attached to you.

My head was consumed on thoughts of you. It was constant. Like the leaky faucet in the bathroom or the loose floorboard. Always running, always broken. I miss you. Maybe you’ll come around, but for now...I wish you were here instead. When it’s late and I can’t sleep, I think about you. When it’s early and I can’t eat, I think about you.

“Where are we going?” you giggled excitedly, grabbing my hand from across the console in my truck.

“Shh, I told you it’s a surprise baby, we’re almost there anyways.” I laughed at her giggling like a kid, she had so much excitement in her eyes. She was always ready for anything, even if it was 2 in the morning and I love that about her. I love everything about her.

“Ugh fine!” she groaned dramatically and rolled her eyes in a full circle looking up at the ceiling. “Why are we at the beach?” you didn’t even give me enough time to answer before jumping out of the truck and running towards the sand laughing the entire way to the water. Once I caught up with you, I grabbed your hands and pulled you close into my chest, kissing your forehead. When we broke apart I laid down a few blankets on the sand, noticing you were cold, I also gave you my sweater.

We stared at the stars and talked about anything and everything for hours. It felt magical. We stayed until the sun came up, watching the sunset before driving back to my house for some much needed rest.

Walking over to my closet, curious to know if that same sweater ended up back in my closet after that night. I reached in, digging around not finding anything and decided to look in my dresser instead. Of course, it was folded neatly in the drawer you used to call yours. Grabbing and shaking it out I noticed the light pieces of sand that fell from it. I brought it in to my nose wondering if it still smelt like your perfume. It did. I’m always tired lately, but never of you. Do you miss me too?

if i pulled a you on you, you wouldn’t like that shit, i put this reel out, but you wouldn’t bite that shit. i type a text then i never mind that shit, i got these feelings, but you never mind that shit. you’re still in love with me but your friends don’t know.

To Y/N: i wanna talk, i think...maybe i miss y-

*delete*

To Rafe: I miss you so much, it hurt someti-

*delete*

“Y/N...what’s going on? You’re off in never never land! Do you still miss him?” Kiara asked, gently shaking my knee to gain my attention back to the group. I looked at her and around at the rest of the pogues and put a smile on my face, shaking my head.

“Of course not, it’s been months! I’m so over him, guys. Besides even if I did, it wouldn’t matter.” I tried so hard to sound confident. I hope they bought it. Of fucking course, I miss Rafe. I’m still in love with him for gods sake. I hate that I want him.

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Sure, i’ve moved on, but I think about y/n, just about everyday. I guess for me, moving on is finding someone new, but not actually wanting anyone new. I just couldn’t bare to be alone anymore with my thoughts. I deserve better than that, personally.

“Anyways Topper, if y/n wanted me still, she would say so right?” I looked at Topper, silently hoping he would lie to me, just tell me what I want to hear, man. “If I were her, I would’ve never let me go. She’s missing out.”

“Hell yea, dude! That’s the right attitude.” Topper said, jumping up to high five me. Of course, that was the statement he was on board with. I hate that I want you.

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I haven’t been to a party in months, Kiara and Sarah thought that this would be the most fitting post-break up activity for me. Maybe meet a new guy or something. I tuned out when they were telling me about it and just agreed. What I neglected to listen to, was that it was a kook party. So now, i’m at a party alone, since my friends ditched me to dance with each other. And on top of that, I watch him watch her, like she’s the only girl he’s ever seen.

It took less than an hour of being at this party for us to end up in a room alone together.

“You don’t care! You never did!” Rafe shouted, running his hands through his hair, clearly exasperated with this conversation. I don’t even know how it started. One minute I was watching him with another girl, and the next he was hauling me off, away from everyone.

“You don’t give a damn about me, Rafe! How is it you never notice that you’re slowly killing me?” you wanted to yell back at him, to scream at him for putting you through this again, but you couldn’t. He didn’t say anything in return so you continued, “I hate you, and I hate that I love you, Rafe.” I’ve tried to move on, but even the simple thought of dating anyone but him, makes me physically ill. Why does it have to be like this?

“I don’t mean no harm, I just miss you on my arm, babe. Do you ever wonder what we could’ve been y/n?” He’s taunting me by asking dumb questions, as if I wanted this to happen, as if i’m the cause of all of this. Rafe’s the one that was closed off, not me. Of course, he switches the stories and i’m sure everyone at this damn party thinks I left him heart broken.

“You have a girlfriend, why are you even asking me that?” I was starting to get angry, I felt like he was toying with me.

He’s laughing. Of fucking course, he’s laughing at me. This is all one big fucking joke to him. “Lie to me, lie with me, get your fucking fix. Isn’t that what you always told your friends Rafe?” I was furious, how could he act that way after everything? He’s still a child though, that will never change.

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You were right. I did lie to you, multiple times. About where I was, who I was with, what I was doing. I didn’t want you to know I was such a fuck up. You didn’t deserve the pain of finding out I was lying and cheating and drugging. You did anyways though. Now all my drinks and all my feelings are all fucking mixed.

“Rafe! Come dance with me!” I downed the rest of my drink before throwing the glass down and walking away from the new girl I was seeing. I didn’t care anymore.

I don’t want you, Y/N. I shouldn’t fucking miss you. I don’t deserve to! Seeing you again is such bullshit. If you wouldn’t have shown up here, I wouldn’t have said those things to you. Sometimes you gotta burn some bridges, just to create some distance. You didn’t deserve that, I knew it, but at least now you might learn your lesson and stay away. It’s for the best, right?

I hate that I love her, but I can’t put nobody else above her.

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I wasn’t sure if I had the closure I needed, but after that particular conversation with Rafe I felt a little better. I returned to the party with my head held high and danced with my friends. I hoped he was watching me too since i’m not sure what he was trying to do by joking around at my expense. But maybe if he thinks it didn’t bother me he will know how it fucking feels. 

I learned from my dad that it’s good to have feelings when love and trust is gone. I guess this is moving on. I hate you, I love you.

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[wntersfire]

GET TO KNOW ME TAG GAME

Before I start I would just like to say (tw alcohol for now and question 19) sorry for any spelling mistakes or if I ramble a little. To cut a long fuckin story short I mis read the measurements of my shot glasses and so instead of having two cocktails I’ve had the equivalent of four in the space of an hour and a half. Being british, im not gonna let a good drink go to waste either so im onto my third/sixth now.

Tagged by @clints-lucky-arrow (an actual goddess among us mortals)

1. Why did you choose your URL?

So this reason is two-fold. One, I didn’t watch star wars growing up because I was dumb and didn’t understand the politics (it wasn’t until my boyfriend sat me down and explained it literally in January of this year that I actually got it) but I loved Sci-fi and space so the next best thing was Treasure Planet (2003 film, Available on didney+) My favourite scene is the ending when Long John Silver (spoilers) is about leave before he can be arrested and Jim confronts him. Seeing how much his character has grown, Silver says to Jim, “Look at you, glowing like a silver fire. You’re something special, Jim. You’re gonna rattle the stars, you are.” It literally makes me tear up every single time I watch it and its one of my favourite lines of all time. Second, this was actually quoted in one of my favourite book series ‘Throne of glass’ by Sarah J Maas. I adore the character of Celeana and again one of my favourite quotes from TOG is when Queen Elena says to Celeana“ You could rattle the stars. You could do anything, if only you dared.” Every time I read that line I literally get chills and I actually have plans to get this tattooed on me lmao

2. Any side blogs?

Yes my fanfic blog @second-stars-totheright (I like puns and I used to love peter pan)

3. How long have you been on tumblr?

I joined when I was 13 for the fanfiction and lurked for a very long time, just reblogging and liking things until I deleted it when I was 17. Re downloaded the app and got my account back back around February of this year (when I was 19, now 20) and since then I’ve found it much friendlier and actually interacted with people this time around, and actually started posting my work on here!

4. Do you have a queueue tag?

No. This is my general postings blog so I just kind of stick anything funny or worth keeping here, but I probably should make one!

5. Why did you start your blog in the first place?

As I said to read fanfiction (anyone wondering it was 5 seconds of summer fanfiction. Anyone who judges me in the comments its fair game 🥺) but I re-downloaded it this year because I noticed with my work on Wattpad, while I had some do really well (one has gotten 130k+ views) its very difficult to actually interact with readers and get feedback. I’ve only accumulated that high of a number after 5 years of it being on there, and so tumblr is just so much more personal!

6. Why did you choose your icon/pfp?

I did it this morning as I was getting tagged in this lmao. I wanted a cartoon girl who looked like me but because I had a specific colouring (ie my hair is black with a blonde streak at the front & my eyes have both blue and green segments because I have heterochromia) I couldn’t find any that looked like me so I recoloured a cartoon girl I found on pinterest.

7. Why did you choose you header?

The white clouds fit the stars theme and it looks pretty with the purple. ✨💜

8. Whats your post with the most notes?

“That girl is a problem | Javier Pena x Agent!Reader part 1” with 105 notes on my fanfic blog.

9. How many mutuals do you have?

I am still a little tumblr idiot when it comes to this so if someone could tell me how to find out I'll edit this

10. How many followers do you have?

72 on here, 107 on my fanfic blog (AND I LOVE ALL OF YOU ACROSS BOTH OF THEM MWAH, MWAH KISSES FOR YOU ALL 💜💜💜)

11. How many people do you follow?

165 (it was 700+ but the other day I unfollowed a bunch of accounts that haven’t been active since I followed them when I was 13. There were LOTS)

12. Have you ever made a shit post?

I mean all you have to do is look at the Nomad memes I make (UNAPOLOGETICALLY I might add 😤) for @clints-lucky-arrow to know I absolutely have. That series has a hold over me im telling you. I black out when I start reading and I awake with a bunch of meme editing apps open and my feelings tugged at from her amazing writing.

13. How often do you use Tumblr each day?

If I’m with my boyfriend which is like two days a week, rarely, but now I’ve finished uni, I’m on here all the god damn time. I feel so comfy and safe interacting with you all, not to mention some of you guys are funny as hell.

14. Did you have a fight with a blog once?

Not really on here, I haven’t received any hate luckily but I prefer not to spoil how comfy I am here with arguing.

15. How do you feel about ‘you need to re-blog this’ posts?

I’m a little confused by this I dunno whether I’ve just never come across any like this or if Stars is being a bimbo on the tl again. However, I only reblog things I’d like to keep for future reference or if something deserves to be shared to everyone else like a fic rec or a piece of art. (As Mack said, I’ve re-blogged so many in the past promising me money or luck and I am still broke as shit so what does that tell you).

16. Do you like tag games?

Yes!! I love reading everyone elses and getting to know my mutals better!

17. Do you like ask games?

Again yesss because it means I get to send love to my mutuals and get to know them better! I tend to not participate though just read their responses because I sometimes feel like I’m bugging people clogging their inboxes even though I know that’s the point idk I’m a hell of an over thinker sometimes 🥳

18. Which of your mutuals do you think is tumblr famous?

It’s been said before but @clints-lucky-arrow (wow you rlly owning this post bby girl) but I just remember lurking on Nomad early February and liking and reblogging her chapters so I could keep them to re-read cause that’s how much I instantly loved it and when she followed me I realised who she was and lowkey had a starstruck moment bcus id been ciaght up in her work for weeks and too nervous to make contact. Also @arduadastra, I saw her work all over the pedro tags for so long and now I’ve gotten to know her she is the sweetest girl!! We usually fan over Javier Pena gifs together, she’s solely responsible for ‘That girl is a problem’ bcus of her gif sending at 1am giving me Javi thots and now it’s my most successful one on my blog. And most recently @pedrosgirlx followed me this morning and her work is genuinely some of the best I've seen on here, as I said this morning it is the Sistine Chapel ceiling of Mando art it is actually jaw dropping!! I cant believe all these creators are rlly giving us this content for free and yet being so talented AND the nicest people I’ve ever met!!

19. Do you have a crush on a mutual?

No, although I hold a lot of them dearly as friends. 15/10 would treat you lovelies to a drink of your choice if we ever met (any of you from the uk who drink I’d get you a pitcher from Whetherspoons)

20. Absolutely no pressure tags:

anyone who wants to join! a lot of people I would have tagged have already posted theirs so go for it if you like the look of it!

[we-co-lab]

#GENERAL

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[2018-09-16T15:13:47Z] olso6229: Also just saw the workshop with Pablo is actually on Friday, not during our meeting time on Thursday.

[2018-09-16T15:14:26Z] olso6229: Does that affect anyone else? I can’t go if it’s on Friday during that time, if someone else wants to take my spot. :white_check_mark:

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[2018-09-17T06:44:33Z] mahla008: Just a link to a virtual tour of the Moriyama House, it's alot more complex and interesting than the movie showed. I have more articles and photos for anyone who's interested in seeing more

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https://campus-climate.umn.edu/content/apply-campus-climate-micro-grant-1

[2018-09-18T19:51:33Z] mahla008:

[2018-09-18T19:51:50Z] mahla008: MINNCOR revenue in 2009

[2018-09-18T19:54:17Z] mahla008:

[2018-09-18T19:56:40Z] mahla008: 22 million

[2018-09-19T00:23:51Z] watso595: Is everyone (or a majority) able to meet Thursday before class? I feel it could be a good idea to talk about our edits to the guide in person and thought that might be the best option for time based on last week.

[2018-09-19T00:25:08Z] watso595: Also, should we have a way of marking those that have/have not been edited since class today? Maybe your initials/time that you edited in parentheses at the end of each point?

[2018-09-19T00:25:21Z] watso595: I’m open to other ideas too, just thought that could be helpful

[2018-09-19T01:53:46Z] karle029: when/where?

[2018-09-19T02:08:53Z] watso595: We could meet in studio maybe like an hour before class?

[2018-09-19T02:25:54Z] olso6229: I like that and im open to meeting anywhere

[2018-09-19T04:38:38Z] bialo011: Sounds good to me!

[2018-09-19T05:45:07Z] batzl015: I probably can’t make it before class, but I will try my best to condense and edit the guide tomorrow. I will note what I edited and when I did it.

[2018-09-19T15:04:27Z] schra470: I can be there before class as well!

[2018-09-19T15:05:44Z] mahla008: So studio an hour before?

[2018-09-19T16:09:54Z] watso595: Yeah let’s plan on that for those that can make it

[2018-09-19T17:14:34Z] rumbe003: Yoooo so Matt wanted me and Colton to spearhead a movement of changing the manifesto to be more "question based" if that makes sense

Instead of giving statements that work as solutions, let's use questions in the same way that we use design, to push boundaries, create problems, and push ourselves to think further and be more provocative

[2018-09-19T17:15:34Z] mahla008: So like, what is love?

[2018-09-19T17:16:09Z] rumbe003: Yeah something like that, or "How will we feel love?"

[2018-09-19T17:16:17Z] mahla008: Oooo

[2018-09-19T17:16:21Z] rumbe003: Questions with a slightly more specific scope

[2018-09-19T17:16:22Z] mahla008: I like that

[2018-09-19T17:16:23Z] rumbe003: if that makes sense

[2018-09-19T17:16:26Z] mahla008: Ye

[2018-09-19T17:17:08Z] rumbe003: Matt was really about it, he liked the idea of posing questions now, and potentially answering them later in the semester with our work

[2018-09-19T17:19:11Z] bialo011: Honestly not crazy about that

[2018-09-19T17:19:31Z] mahla008: That sounds better than trying to have a set of definitives without actually experiencing wecolab as a whole

[2018-09-19T17:20:39Z] batzl015: Yeah, I mean it’s a different structure so that could be interesting, but it seems like with questions as the structure, it gets really simple and bony provocative

[2018-09-19T17:20:47Z] batzl015: Like it doesn’t seem like anything new

[2018-09-19T17:21:08Z] rumbe003: Yeah idk man haha I'm just communicating what Matt was excited about and wanted me to do

[2018-09-19T17:21:34Z] batzl015: Cause we can ask questions all day, but making statements that cause you to ask questions seems a lot more powerful

[2018-09-19T17:22:17Z] rumbe003: That's true, but also i feel like statements are already defining the answer to any question we may come across

[2018-09-19T17:22:34Z] rumbe003: I'm down with whatever

[2018-09-19T17:23:10Z] mahla008: We just need to destil and condense our manifesto, maybe doing what we did and just make a statement for each word we want to convey

[2018-09-19T17:23:43Z] rumbe003: What if we do both?? Come up with a statement about love, and follow it up with, "How will we feel love?" Essentially saying "How will we enact the statement we just defined?"

[2018-09-19T17:23:53Z] bialo011: I think we should talk about it tomorrow. Because this is our manifesto too, not just what matt thinks is best.

[2018-09-19T17:24:11Z] rumbe003: ^truuuuuu

[2018-09-19T17:24:18Z] mahla008: But do we want it done tomorrow, cause I think Matt does

[2018-09-19T17:24:39Z] mahla008: Like finish it before class when most of us meet

[2018-09-19T17:25:53Z] rumbe003: We have to find a way to meet Matt straight on with productive resistance ya know?

[2018-09-19T17:26:28Z] bialo011: For sure

[2018-09-19T17:26:40Z] watso595: I think should still edit them as statements like we were planning

[2018-09-19T17:27:01Z] watso595: I agree we can talk about the question stuff tomorrow

[2018-09-19T17:28:16Z] batzl015: I’m prob gonna edit quite a bit today, I’ll keep changes noted in the comments

[2018-09-19T19:01:30Z] batzl015: I just moved every statement of the same category next to each other. I’m going to see if I can condense to eliminate redundancy/condense

[2018-09-19T19:23:15Z] danks010: I'm really up for whatever. On one hand, I think using questions would allow individuals to put there own meaning behind their answers, especially as it pertains to answer the why question behind the point of the manifesto. Although I realize it is our manifesto so I think it needs to revolve around our goals and thus statements might help hold us accountable and solidify our ability to collaborate as one based on a uniform standard. For tomorrow, I don't think we should change what we have in terms of rewriting them in the form of questions. As long as we can condense and form our statements in the right terms, it should work and if we discuss the question idea tomorrow and want to push that concept forward we can.

[2018-09-19T19:23:54Z] danks010: Also, I can try to meet an hour before class. No promises though because I'm not sure how traffic will be. But I can always try!

[2018-09-19T19:24:17Z] batzl015: I’m editing rn if anyone wants to hop in the google doc with me :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-09-19T19:24:28Z] batzl015: Feel free to scrub anything I’ve done haha

[2018-09-19T19:24:35Z] batzl015: Just leave comments so we can talk about it

[2018-09-19T19:25:25Z] batzl015: Also it looks like there’s room for 16 statements on one page... We’re currently at 28

[2018-09-19T19:30:44Z] bialo011: I can hop on in a sec

[2018-09-19T20:14:44Z] danks010: I be on in a half hour Oliver! Just finishing up the model for Brad's class.

[2018-09-19T20:15:26Z] batzl015: Cool, Andrew and I have done a lot of editing, but please look through and share opinions. That goes for everyone!!!

[2018-09-19T20:16:25Z] danks010: I'm going to completely change it.....Nah ill proofread it and add anything that needs adding. I'm sure its coming along!

[2018-09-19T20:51:37Z] batzl015: We should probably arrange, delete, and get close to finalizing by the end of today. Tomorrow morning can be for last touches

[2018-09-19T20:53:11Z] danks010: For sure! I'm reading over everything right now to get familiar with some of the changes.

[2018-09-19T21:30:28Z] karle029: was the Destil on purpose

[2018-09-19T21:31:42Z] karle029: have we thought about inviting matt to this slack?

[2018-09-19T21:32:42Z] bialo011: I think he is already

[2018-09-19T21:32:51Z] karle029: also if anyone is interested in researching prison labor and prison censorship historically and today I got some really great leads from Linnea at the archives

[2018-09-19T21:33:06Z] karle029:

[2018-09-19T21:33:13Z] karle029:

[2018-09-19T21:33:42Z] mahla008: Is anyone in rapson?

[2018-09-19T21:34:01Z] mahla008: Me and parker are in studio talking about this if others wanted to join

[2018-09-20T00:45:24Z] olso6229: yes, everyone including Matt is in the Slack channel. His handle is

[2018-09-20T00:47:35Z] olso6229: Has anyone else looked at Boris' work/website/views on art+collaboration/bio on WAM site?

[2018-09-20T00:51:48Z] olso6229:

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Portræt af Boris Oicherman

https://vimeo.com/141645079

[2018-09-20T00:55:45Z] mahla008: He looks so different lol

[2018-09-20T00:58:32Z] olso6229:

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Art

http://oicherman.net/boris/art

[2018-09-20T01:29:24Z] olso6229:

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From the Archives: Allan Kaprow on the Legacy of Jackson Pollock, in 1958 -

http://www.artnews.com/2018/02/09/archives-allan-kaprow-legacy-jackson-pollock-1958/

[2018-09-20T01:32:29Z] olso6229:

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Allan Kaprow - How to Make a Happening

https://youtu.be/8iCM-YIjyHE

[2018-09-20T01:54:29Z] olso6229: Here's a PDF transcription of the whole LP:

[2018-09-20T04:04:53Z] mahla008: Hey guys, don't like be mad at me or anything but i've been doing research on MINNCOR and idk if they are really that bad

[2018-09-20T04:49:35Z] mahla008: Like they still bad but like not as bad as I think we were lead to believe

[2018-09-20T12:15:13Z] olso6229: Oh yeah?

[2018-09-20T14:02:08Z] bialo011: how so?

[2018-09-20T14:12:46Z] mahla008: Are we meeting in studio?

[2018-09-20T17:38:27Z] batzl015: theres a mincorfurniture folder

[2018-09-20T17:38:33Z] batzl015: channel*

[2018-09-20T17:45:44Z] feria006: Tales of the traveling bag. To be continued

[2018-09-20T18:27:01Z] krieg087: So I was thinking a lot in class today about research, I re-watched 13th, and then watched a Portuguese film called "How Tasty is my Little Frenchman" that is inadvertently about imprisonment in 1500s colonial Brazil. Would anyone be interested in me creating a channel for research on the history of imprisonment and prison labor?

[2018-09-20T18:27:23Z] bialo011: do it

[2018-09-20T18:42:10Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-09-20T18:44:06Z] olso6229: i wish my girlfriend was in the room for the first part of our conversation today, we would’ve learned so much about language

[2018-09-20T18:46:40Z] olson175: How so Lee?

[2018-09-20T18:58:12Z] olso6229: she did her undergrad in linguistics with several courses at graduate level during that time, her last 2 or 3 semesters of school were basically thesis

[2018-09-20T18:59:35Z] olson175: cool... would love to know who some of her favorite language thinkers are

[2018-09-20T19:00:00Z] olso6229: not chomsky, i can tell you that much

[2018-09-20T19:02:49Z] olson175: i love chomsky but, not because of his linguistic work

[2018-09-20T19:03:02Z] olson175: I wonder if she has thoughts on Barthes

[2018-09-20T19:07:07Z] olso6229: i will ask tonight. if anyone else has any questions about language, let me know anytime

[2018-09-20T19:08:05Z] krieg087: ^Same here Lee, my sister is currently getting her PHD in Linguistics and I can always ask her any questions as well!

[2018-09-20T19:08:35Z] olso6229: COOOOOOOOL

[2018-09-20T19:11:03Z] olson175: ask her about Barthes and Lakoff. I've watched a couple interesting lectures by Lakoff.

[2018-09-20T19:11:18Z] feria006: Bag makes it through lecture!

[2018-09-20T19:14:02Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-20T19:14:31Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-20T19:14:58Z] olso6229: Bag timelapse video + body art engulfed by bag body

[2018-09-20T19:34:34Z] krieg087: I absolutely will

[2018-09-20T19:43:43Z] olso6229: has anyone looked at the zines in the rapson library

[2018-09-20T19:45:35Z] olso6229: or read ursula le guin's the ones who walk away from omelas

[2018-09-20T19:45:57Z] olso6229: looking at the range of minncor products reminds me of her short story

[2018-09-21T00:47:08Z] santo204: Yee the zines in the library are really cool. Did we figure out if we were using a google drive or a Lightroom to upload media?

[2018-09-21T00:49:24Z] santo204: Or did we want to create a channel on this strictly for videos/photos/ other media

[2018-09-21T01:01:56Z] watso595: I thought we were planning on using Lightroom. I feel like starting a new channel for this might be good so we can share links to Lightroom and keep them in one place?

[2018-09-21T01:02:08Z] watso595: I can start a channel for media

[2018-09-21T01:17:29Z] santo204:

Apparently, Black Mountain College’s flame has been reignited on the same Claud location and has rebranded as School of the Alternative.

[2018-09-21T01:24:05Z] santo204: *campus not Claud

[2018-09-21T18:23:46Z] schra470: Hey guys! So Evan and I spent some time at Wilson library, and upon asking for information on university spending (and what kind of money is going from UMN to Minncor) we were directed to the "Purchasing Services" webpage. Although there were no readily available materials with this information, we contacted the general services via email and asked very politely who we may be able to get in contact with to understand the university's opinion on this matter. Hopefully they get back to me soon with some more information, and maybe a contact to sit down with and ask questions! Ill Keep you all posted :grin:

[2018-09-21T18:25:03Z] olso6229: Cool !!

[2018-09-21T18:26:03Z] kesse046: Here are some interesting resources:

[2018-09-21T18:26:08Z] kesse046: This video was helpful:

It mentioned these topics:

Minncor history:

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Prison Labor: Modern SLAVERY?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ7yN52tE5k

Burl Cain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burl_Cain

[2018-09-21T18:27:22Z] mahla008: What a picture

[2018-09-21T18:27:42Z] batzl015: Just got out of the collaboration workshop :sunglasses: this is gonna be cool to do with you all

[2018-09-21T18:32:08Z] mahla008:

[2018-09-21T18:38:43Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-21T18:54:14Z] olso6229: ... none of the librarians at the downtown minneapolis library are cool with us taking a photo

[2018-09-21T18:54:44Z] olso6229: All of them have politely declined

[2018-09-21T18:56:25Z] olso6229: Only library entity we could get a photo with so far

[2018-09-21T18:56:35Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-21T18:57:40Z] olso6229: FINALLY

[2018-09-21T18:57:53Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-22T18:24:03Z] mahla008: Hey has anyone been to the university resuse center this year yet? They might have MINNCOR furinture that we can purchase and own to do stuff with

[2018-09-22T18:26:08Z] watso595: Haley mentioned that too... I haven’t been but I remember talking to some people who found the “dorm chairs” there before I knew they were minncor

[2018-09-22T18:26:45Z] mahla008: Cool well maybe that's a next weekend trip since they only open on saturdays

[2018-09-22T18:27:00Z] watso595: We can also get it for free since we would be using it for university purposes

[2018-09-22T18:27:34Z] mahla008: Ooo ye or unless anyone has time to go to the center with a car today?

[2018-09-22T18:47:14Z] watso595: I've started putting together some of the clips I took on Thursday into a short video. A lot of my videos need some editing in premiere so I think it could be easier if I use the file I've already started but if others are interested in putting that video together we can find a time to meet and work on it!

[2018-09-22T18:48:54Z] watso595: otherwise, if you have videos, could you throw them in the drive?

[2018-09-22T22:20:06Z] danks010: uploading them now Parker! Sorry its taking so long. It's a decent size file

[2018-09-23T00:06:41Z] danks010:

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Bag of Air Performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z048OrJ57so&feature=youtu.be

[2018-09-23T00:07:02Z] danks010: This video has not been edited, so it is essentially the raw content

[2018-09-23T23:57:42Z] karle029: yes!

[2018-09-24T06:12:16Z] santo204: Parker, I’d be interrelated in meeting up this week & working on the film

[2018-09-24T15:37:03Z] schra470: A reply to my email to Purchasing Services about Minncor! Some good information in here!

[2018-09-24T15:38:51Z] batzl015: Good info find! could you post the spreadsheet as an attachment?

[2018-09-24T15:38:54Z] schra470: And here is the spreadsheet that details the amounts spent!

[2018-09-24T15:41:34Z] batzl015: cool! thanks!

[2018-09-24T17:17:19Z] rumbe003:

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13TH | Official Trailer [HD] | Netflix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V66F3WU2CKk

[2018-09-24T17:17:29Z] rumbe003: If anyone hasn't watched this yet, I would highly recommend doing so

[2018-09-24T17:17:57Z] rumbe003: Could help us gain some perspective and relate more closely to some of the stuff we'll be working on

[2018-09-24T20:01:42Z] danks010: I remembered that we touched on bell hooks a little bit last week and I found a really interesting book of her that related to Love and how people define, and acknowledge love and how love impacts relationships, both romantically and socially. I'm only a chapter in, but it is a really unique approach that I thought I would share with you. Here's the link for the online version of the book. It can be downloaded as a pdf from the site which is really nice.

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124493278-bell-hooks-All-About-Love.pdf

https://www.docdroid.net/goTB7E8/124493278-bell-hooks-all-about-love.pdf

[2018-09-24T20:04:32Z] danks010: She also talks about belonging in her work with regards to connection through love and compassion. She has a book about belonging, which I have attached, as well as a talk on youtube. Both are below and are very helpful in determining were each person belongs in this world. Really inspirational stuff and relates quite a bit to our manifesto. .

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Belonging: A Culture of Place by bell hooks

https://issuu.com/schoolofthedamned/docs/bell-hooks-belonging-a-culture-of-p

bell hooks & john a. powell: Belonging Through Connection (Othering & Belonging Conference 2015)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sX7fqIU4gQ

[2018-09-24T21:41:08Z] olson175: THX Colton!

[2018-09-24T22:03:21Z] olson175: Do any of you guys speak French?

[2018-09-24T22:14:18Z] karle029: I took three years of french in high school - so i would say very minimally haha

[2018-09-24T22:15:35Z] olson175: Andrew has been looking into Emanuele Coccia. He's mostly a European phenomenon so far but... there are some videos in French...

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Conversation: Emanuele Coccia - Vinciane Despret

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDGNEJfxAPg

[2018-09-24T22:17:25Z] olson175: Emanuele Coccia makes a couple appearances in the required texts... I hope you guys are digging in to those!

[2018-09-25T18:12:21Z] broad095: has joined the channel

[2018-09-25T18:46:13Z] boris: has joined the channel

[2018-09-25T22:35:18Z] olso6229: swapping my Chuck Close quote out of the zine FYI

[2018-09-25T22:39:44Z] olso6229: edited the wecolab guide doc, good to go

[2018-09-25T22:46:10Z] broad095: Is anyone else in favor of more images for the next edition? I feel like it might be too much text. Thoughts?

[2018-09-25T22:50:58Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-09-25T22:51:03Z] olso6229: And sketches

[2018-09-25T22:51:17Z] olso6229: Im drawing the interview i did with my mom for the next zine

[2018-09-25T22:51:28Z] olso6229: Comic book / graphic novel style

[2018-09-26T01:01:03Z] renst011: There will definitely be more already from the documentation of last Tuesday and today

[2018-09-26T01:01:07Z] renst011: Plus yes for sure any imagery to support the individual assignments and referential images

[2018-09-26T01:13:37Z] olso6229: do you need any more photos from today’s session? I took a few, but i saw you had taken some too. Let me know

[2018-09-26T02:30:37Z] renst011: Feel free to throw them in the media channel! I won't know for sure until I start in on the next newsletter but the more pics the better

[2018-09-26T13:29:25Z] olso6229: asked my partner, Calli, what she thought about Barthes and Lakoff. She said "they're outside my specialization so i don't know enough about their theories to really make a statement about them. but i do prefer lakoffs theory of generative semantics to chomskys generative syntax. basically, we have to take semantics and meaning into account in sentence construction. chomsky syntax treats the mind and language as highly logical and mathematical. however, humans don't operate on that alone. communication relies on meaning, memory, and intention, which must be accounted for when discussing linguistics."

[2018-09-26T15:44:13Z] olso6229: and then i asked her about something she says about language often, that language is referential. "well when i say its referential, i'm talking about the fact that we can talk about the world around us. things and experiences. i believe its universal. remember the isolated mind conversation? a mind outside of any kind of environment would still have the capacity to refer to itself, its experience, and its functioning."

[2018-09-26T15:45:32Z] fasbe023: has joined the channel

[2018-09-26T15:45:32Z] olso6229: i'm curious to hear how this overlaps/aligns/conflicts? with color science/perception?

[2018-09-26T16:54:37Z] boris: Color is an extremely interesting case study of language. I believe I mentioned the book "Through the Language Glass"- it's about that. It's very related to Lakoff and Johnson's metaphor theory, and how metaphors are not just language constructs but creators of realities. Remind me next time in class, I'll tell more

[2018-09-26T21:18:37Z] mahla008:

[2018-09-26T21:20:06Z] olso6229: becomes one with paper

[2018-09-26T21:21:17Z] olso6229: becomes one with minerals

[2018-09-26T22:13:28Z] olso6229: Everyone needs to go to the library in the walker art center

[2018-09-26T22:34:57Z] danks010: Here are a few photos from and I from our trip at the Walker Art Center Library. Found tons of resources on many of the people we talked about, as well as some useful prison and manifesto resources as well.

[2018-09-26T22:35:14Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:18Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:22Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:25Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:28Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:33Z] danks010:

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[2018-09-26T22:35:45Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:49Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:36:14Z] danks010: Tons of stuff on john cage that could be useful for your interview with him!

[2018-09-26T22:38:33Z] feria006: HAPPY BIRTHDAY LEE!

[2018-09-26T22:39:47Z] olson175: NOW I'M HAPPY

[2018-09-26T22:42:11Z] olso6229: Thanks for the birthday love

[2018-09-26T22:43:44Z] olso6229: deep in this black mt college tome. Theres a photo in there of john cage, merce cunnigham, josef albers together

[2018-09-26T22:44:39Z] olso6229: explores a collection of UMN installation artwork over the years

[2018-09-26T22:45:51Z] olso6229: Finding a potential path through Kaleidoscope magazine as a way for the zine

[2018-09-26T22:46:16Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T22:46:44Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T22:48:08Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T22:48:20Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T22:48:49Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T23:09:59Z] olson175: Fun fact you guys! I designed Kaleidoscope Magazine's booth at the NADA Art Fair in NYC a few years ago!

[2018-09-26T23:24:10Z] karle029: Do you have a copy?

[2018-09-26T23:26:19Z] karle029: Some of the topics we've been talking about in class are also being discussed in my sustainability class--for the first time that I've been aware of.

[2018-09-26T23:27:04Z] karle029: If anyone is interested in reading the entire article (3 pages)

[2018-09-27T00:00:52Z] olso6229: then it isnt coincidence that we gravitate to kaleidoscope

[2018-09-27T01:14:14Z] rumbe003: Lots of relevant theories and ideas brought forward by artist Joseph Kosuth here that could definitely be applied to our work and it's "meaning" and how we will construct that meaning

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ARTISTS TALK #4: JOSEPH KOSUTH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hpfkIPTRBo

[2018-09-27T01:16:04Z] olso6229: anything helpful that we should bring when you teach us the pablo workshop?

[2018-09-27T01:17:19Z] olson175: Hey! Didn't I tell one of you guys to look into Joseph Kosuth and his chair piece? Who was that?

[2018-09-27T01:22:50Z] rumbe003: Haha it was me Matt

[2018-09-27T01:23:20Z] rumbe003: Well at least you told me to look into Joseph Kosuth, you never said anything specific about a chair piece, so maybe someone else as well

[2018-09-27T01:23:47Z] rumbe003: just a level of high energy and eagerness haha as cheesy as that sounds

[2018-09-27T17:47:17Z] olso6229: Anyone else want how can i help by ram dass? i just got another copy

[2018-09-27T17:53:51Z] danks010: Perhaps...Can you bring it to climate change and I'll take a peek at it!

[2018-09-27T17:54:02Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-09-27T17:54:23Z] danks010: Alright! Coming in clutch....

[2018-09-27T17:54:29Z] olso6229: I think Public Functionary in NE minneapolis could be a guide for us, or something to draw from

[2018-09-27T17:54:32Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-27T17:55:24Z] olso6229: upcoming exhibits:

[2018-09-27T17:55:25Z] olso6229:

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— Public Functionary

https://publicfunctionary.org/calendar/racingmagpie

[2018-09-27T17:56:05Z] olso6229:

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— Public Functionary

https://publicfunctionary.org/calendar/conversation-matrix

[2018-09-27T18:13:17Z] olso6229: the new Moon Palace Books on Minnehaha is also very spicy right now

[2018-09-27T18:14:13Z] olso6229:

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Moon Palace Books

https://moonpalacebooks.com/?q=h.calevents

[2018-09-27T18:15:17Z] olso6229: They do a lot of readings/events with trans/gay/bi/etc authors. I don't know how to describe the sensation of being there but it's unlike any other bookstore I've been to

[2018-09-27T18:20:03Z] olso6229: also rad metal/noise concerts hahaha

[2018-09-27T19:26:46Z] olso6229:

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carsten höller: soma

https://www.designboom.com/art/carsten-holler-soma/

[2018-09-27T20:08:28Z] olso6229: revisiting my notes from allan kaprow's 1958 essay "the legacy of jackson pollock", this bit seemed relevant to our discussion about objects today

[2018-09-27T20:08:47Z] olso6229: maybe this can help guide us?

[2018-09-27T20:08:57Z] olso6229: At any rate, for now, we may consider that, except for rare instances, Western art tends to need many more indirections in achieving itself, placing more or less equal emphasis upon “things” and the relations between them. The crudeness of Jackson Pollock is not, therefore, uncouth or designed as such; it is manifestly frank and uncultivated, unsullied by training, trade secrets, finesse—a directness which the European artists he liked hoped for and partially succeeded in, but which he never had to strive after because he had it by nature. This by itself would be enough to teach us something.

It does. Pollock, as I see him, left us at the point where we must become preoccupied with and even dazzled by the space and objects of our everyday life, either our bodies, clothes, rooms, or, if need be, the vastness of Forty-Second Street. Not satisfied with the suggestion through paint of our other senses, we shall utilize the specific substances of sigh, sound, movements, people, odors, touch. Objects of every sort are materials for the new art: paint, chairs, food, electric and neon lights, smoke, water, old socks, a dog, movies, a thousand other things which will be discovered by the present generation of artists. Not only will these bold creators show us, as if for the first time, the world we have always had about us, but ignored, but they will disclose entirely unheard of happenings and events, found in garbage cans, police files, hotel lobbies, seen in store windows and on the streets, and sensed in dreams and horrible accidents. An odor of crushed strawberries, a letter from a friend or a billboard selling Draino; three taps on the front door, a scratch, a sigh or a voice lecturing endlessly, a blinding staccato flash, a bowler hat—all will become materials for this new concrete art.

[2018-09-27T20:18:26Z] olso6229: another forthcoming book from Emanuele Coccia in a couple months

[2018-09-27T20:18:30Z] olso6229:

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The Transitory Museum

https://www.wiley.com/en-ai/The+Transitory+Museum-p-9781509533077

[2018-09-27T20:18:44Z] olso6229: "Stemming from a case study of this genre-defining entity, this first philosophical inquiry into a store aims to shed a new light on how categories that have governed our modern social, economic, political and individual lives, such as commerce, art, fashion, museum, are being redefined today. It calls on us to re-engage with what we long considered to be separate: transcendence and immanence, human beings and their objects."

[2018-09-27T20:27:39Z] olso6229: Lil B was at my friend's house recently

[2018-09-27T20:29:15Z] olso6229: Emanuele Coccia interviewed about one of his new books this year (The Life of Plants: A Metaphysics of Melange), perspectives on biology/botany/chemistry here

[2018-09-27T20:29:17Z] olso6229: "Plants embody life’s continuity, not its separation into distinct realms."

[2018-09-27T20:29:31Z] olso6229: "The interesting thing is, the transformation of the atmosphere into an oxygenated atmosphere was a byproduct of plant metabolism. In fact, the primary function of photosynthesis is not the production of oxygen but the storage of solar energy in mass. The byproduct of that process is the production of oxygen."

[2018-09-27T20:29:57Z] olso6229: :seedling::seedling::seedling:

[2018-09-27T20:35:34Z] olso6229: I wanted to copy & paste every sentence from this interview

[2018-09-27T20:35:37Z] olso6229:

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Emanuele Coccia - purple MAGAZINE

http://purple.fr/magazine/purple-25yrs-anniv-issue-28/emanuele-coccia/

[2018-09-27T20:35:56Z] olso6229: This is powerful and I'm pre-ordering the book now

[2018-09-27T21:02:05Z] batzl015: Thanks for putting this interview up! I should get a little reading in before I interview my mom on the subject.

[2018-09-28T03:34:06Z] olso6229: EVERYONE WE NEED TO GO TO THIS

[2018-09-28T03:34:08Z] olso6229:

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Beyond Bars: A Public Reading - October 22, 2016, 7:00pm

https://www.mnprisonwriting.org/mpww-public-reading.html

[2018-09-28T03:34:29Z] olso6229: THIS IS CRITICAL

[2018-09-28T03:34:43Z] mahla008: #critical

[2018-09-28T03:43:12Z] olso6229: please someone else go to this tomorrow, im in a studio during this time so i cant

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We Are All Criminals | Share Your Story

https://wam.umn.edu/calendar/we-are-all-criminals-share-your-story/

[2018-09-28T04:04:47Z] batzl015: Just interviewed my mom (Janet Batzli) who teaches biology and ecology at the University of Wisconsin about Emanuele Coccia and the idea of oxygen as a byproduct. In short, we ended up talking about the larger systems involving plants and how nearly every part of the human body is directly related to plant processes. My mom’s dissertation research and expertise is in the process of nitrogen fixation which, similarly to Coccia’s book, involves plant byproducts and a symbiosis of microbes and plants existing while creating an environment for life to continue and flourish. Very cool in reference to connectedness.

[2018-09-28T04:05:22Z] batzl015: I have a link to explain nitrogen fixation a little better.

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nitrogen-fixing bacteria | Definition & Types

https://www.britannica.com/science/nitrogen-fixing-bacteria

[2018-09-28T04:07:09Z] olso6229: !!!

[2018-09-28T04:07:21Z] olso6229: I CANT WAIT TO SEE THE FULL INTERVIEW

[2018-09-28T04:08:22Z] olso6229: now interview emanuele coccia about your mom's ideas

[2018-09-28T04:09:04Z] watso595: Just read an interesting article for another class but I think there's a connection there. Something about trusting that the thing will take you somewhere and the importance of letting go to (in this case formal) prescriptions

[2018-09-28T04:09:06Z] watso595:

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Iceland students turn willow branches into materials range

https://www.dezeen.com/2016/03/18/iceland-academy-arts-product-design-students-willow-project-materials-range-designmarch-2016/

[2018-09-28T20:57:23Z] kesse046: Here's the thing I gave you guys yesterday. I hope this helps!

[2018-09-28T21:41:06Z] watso595: Hey guys, after you all send in your library selfies, come to studio for the BDA student association movie night at 7, we’ll have veggie chili!

[2018-09-28T22:32:58Z] olson175: Thanks for sharing these Evan. They aren't the only MINNCOR products tho. There are others as well. I discussed one with Brendan today that is a library cubicle/study carrel table that two people sit at. Sorta reminds me of when prisoners have visitors...? Something interesting about those forms...?

[2018-09-28T22:33:18Z] olson175:

[2018-09-29T04:22:32Z] rumbe003:

[2018-09-29T04:22:55Z] rumbe003: “I think collaboration is a prescription

or device that keeps one from getting hung up on a strong

single intention that blinds,” Rauschenberg reflected in

1987. “Every individual that you add to a project will result

in ten times as many new possibilities.”

[2018-09-29T04:23:32Z] rumbe003: This will tie into the workshop on Tuesday, more people = more possibilities

[2018-09-29T04:45:51Z] rumbe003: According to this article, prison labor has been exploited in the US for a lonnngggg time. In 1885(!!!!), prison industries produced 24.2 million dollars worth of products. That number had already skyrocketed up to 73.8 million dollars worth of products by 1923, and now it's valued at over 2 BILLION dollars worth of products a year. In 2001 it was valued at 1.8 billion, and it's already gone up.

[2018-09-29T11:44:22Z] olso6229: We should do a group outing before winter, maybe can can wonderland? Other ideas?

[2018-09-29T12:28:46Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-29T12:29:27Z] olso6229:

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PREVIEW Foam Magazine #51, Seer/Believer

https://issuu.com/foam-magazine/docs/41-004_fm51_01_reduced_pages_issuu_

[2018-09-29T12:44:47Z] olso6229: maybe we can use issuu as a platform to distribute our zine?

[2018-09-29T13:43:08Z] olso6229:

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Rick Owens: Furniture

https://www.moca.org/exhibition/rickowensfurniture

[2018-09-30T14:27:22Z] olso6229: Book arrived today!!

[2018-09-30T15:29:38Z] olson175: I'm a huge fan of Rick Owens! We remade one of his beds for an exhibit at Haus der Kunst in Munich

[2018-09-30T19:28:09Z] olso6229: WOW Ram Dass’ dolphin story at the start of How Can I Help? Also the chapter titled “helping prison”

[2018-09-30T19:28:38Z] olso6229: I have a reverse experience with a baby bird

[2018-09-30T20:17:32Z] karle029: Notes from class last tuesday, add to them if you have anything else to add/we can continue adding to this doc for future classes if that seems valuable

[2018-09-30T20:20:18Z] olso6229: YES thank you

[2018-09-30T21:47:48Z] karle029: I really enjoy a lot of these

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Art - Judd Foundation

https://juddfoundation.org/artist/art/

[2018-10-01T00:36:48Z] douga018: Hey guys, so I just saw a tweet about Washington State releasing prisoners that were convicted of marijuana possession, so I started to look into it more just by googling. I found a couple of different articles and a lot of them mention the war on drugs, a clear racial bias, and mass incarceration. I thought it related a lot to what we have talked about in class, here is a link to one of the articles. Its a nice short read, but relevant to our class discussions.

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Seattle To Become Latest City To Erase Past Marijuana Convictions

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/seattle-past-marijuana-convictions_us_5a7c661be4b044b3821a2a9f

[2018-10-01T01:45:52Z] olso6229: hey sasha, check these out, i dont know why your judd foundation link reminded me of this

[2018-10-01T01:45:54Z] olso6229:

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The Uncomfortable

https://www.theuncomfortable.com/

[2018-10-01T01:48:21Z] karle029: ooo fun thank you

[2018-10-01T02:33:18Z] olso6229:

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Library Record Detail

https://midwayart.org/library/record/9958/

[2018-10-01T02:38:56Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-01T02:48:33Z] watso595: Abe and I have started talking about noise music and I found a list of some of the music that was in Moriyama San if anyone is interested in listening

[2018-10-01T02:48:34Z] watso595:

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The Records of Yasuo Moriyama - Barbican Blog

http://blog.barbican.org.uk/2017/03/the-records-of-yasuo-moriyama/

[2018-10-01T02:52:30Z] olso6229: Merzbow's Pulse Demon is the obligatory album I have to mention

[2018-10-01T02:52:31Z] olso6229:

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Merzbow - Pulse Demon (Full Album)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AguPH0XBxdw

[2018-10-01T02:59:24Z] olso6229: soooooo we're all going to that moriyama gallery in london right???

[2018-10-01T02:59:27Z] olso6229: its open until june 23

[2018-10-01T02:59:35Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-01T02:59:48Z] mahla008: Hell ya

[2018-10-01T14:16:51Z] olso6229: about to pick up this book

[2018-10-01T14:16:52Z] olso6229:

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Stories of Almost Everyone - Hammer Museum

https://hammer.ucla.edu/exhibitions/2018/stories-of-almost-everyone/

[2018-10-01T16:43:40Z] olso6229: ram dass is still alive

[2018-10-01T16:43:45Z] olso6229: we should connect with him

[2018-10-01T16:44:19Z] olso6229: im calling it right now, when he dies someone is going to make a biopic and cast jaoquin phoenix as him

[2018-10-01T17:09:05Z] olso6229: this comes out tomorrow:

[2018-10-01T20:15:04Z] batzl015: IMPORTANT STUFF RIGHT HERE!!!! Sam and I are leading a workshop tomorrow for the class, it’s going to be super fun, but we’d like to communicate the following message in preparation for tomorrow morning.

[2018-10-01T20:16:05Z] batzl015: Internalize this message and do what you will with it: Think of something you’re an expert on, or passionate about, and come prepared to give an individual performance on it first thing tomorrow morning. Bring any materials/objects that you think may enhance your performances. Be creative, that is all.

[2018-10-01T21:12:04Z] mahla008: Me and Parker getting helped out by a lovely wood librarian

[2018-10-01T23:16:24Z] mahla008: I found 9 landscape manifesto books in the rapson trash just now

[2018-10-01T23:18:11Z] watso595: Whaaaat no

[2018-10-01T23:18:25Z] mahla008: come over here

[2018-10-01T23:20:18Z] mahla008: its about prison labor and using people for gain i.e. blood diamonds

[2018-10-01T23:20:26Z] mahla008: its so cool

[2018-10-01T23:21:59Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-01T23:22:28Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-01T23:23:55Z] mahla008: i'll bring them tomorrow so people who want to read them can get them after class

[2018-10-01T23:44:40Z] olso6229: Why were these in the trash???? :fearful::scream:

[2018-10-01T23:45:06Z] batzl015: those are COOL

[2018-10-01T23:50:10Z] mahla008: Idk I love them, I think Jacob Manz threw them out they were in a box with his name on it

[2018-10-02T02:58:52Z] rumbe003: IMPORTANT STUFF RIGHT HERE!!!! Oliver and I are leading a workshop tomorrow for the class, it’s going to be super fun, but we’d like to communicate the following message in preparation for tomorrow morning.

Internalize this message and do what you will with it: Think of something you’re an expert on, or passionate about, and come prepared to give an individual performance on it first thing tomorrow morning. Bring any materials/objects that you think may enhance your performances. Be creative, that is all.

[2018-10-02T02:58:57Z] rumbe003: Reposting so everyone sees it

[2018-10-02T05:09:07Z] danks010: I realize everyone has been researching different topics and different types of media with regards to finding information pertaining to prisons, prison labor, etc. With that being said, I decided to take a step out of the text aspect to see how forms can influence multiply people. Rather than continuing to flood the slack with readings and articles I have researched, I decided to look at a form of media that influences almost everyone. Thus, I looked into researching music about prison and how artists can evoke meaning and spread ideas about prison and prison labor. I created a document that starts to pile a list of songs and lyrics about prison songs, including links to the songs for those who have not heard some of them. For me, I think it was really beneficial to step back out of the book and see how prisons and prison labor is portrayed in other fields. Here is the link to the document, however if it does not work, I can share the google docs with everyone.

[2018-10-03T03:40:32Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-03T03:40:33Z] mahla008: Have you guys seen this?

[2018-10-03T03:40:41Z] mahla008: Rapson hall second floor

[2018-10-03T03:41:00Z] mahla008: Someone else is making zines

[2018-10-03T03:41:02Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-03T03:44:16Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-03T03:44:28Z] mahla008: Nothing too exciting but I got a couple if sweet buttons

[2018-10-03T03:44:50Z] mahla008: Maybe these people are someone to talk to

[2018-10-03T12:02:30Z] olso6229: thanks again for the landscape manifesto books, just read the manifesto on the inside covers

[2018-10-03T12:02:41Z] olso6229: I love the way its formatted

[2018-10-03T12:03:06Z] olso6229: Maybe something we can draw from if/when we reshape our wecolab manifesto later on?

[2018-10-03T12:25:43Z] olso6229: What do you all think of the undermining empire manifesto? I dont know how many people got a copy of it but we can share next time

[2018-10-03T12:27:13Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-03T12:27:37Z] olso6229: I feel like this one transcends the Canadian focus of the publication and bleeds over into what we’re doing

[2018-10-03T12:30:12Z] olso6229: Is there some way we can utilize voice with Danny’s project? Something that augments the experience? Like the idea we had to have a video loop projected on a wall/walls?

[2018-10-03T12:30:56Z] olso6229: How do you feel about that? Does the medium of voice excite you?

[2018-10-03T18:51:07Z] olso6229: Anyone else interested in going to this event? It's in Folwell Hall on Monday, November 5th at 4pm

[2018-10-03T18:54:26Z] olso6229: The title of the event itself seems compelling enough in relation to what we're doing. There's no event abstract up yet but I'll keep my eye on this one

[2018-10-03T19:50:39Z] olso6229: what did midway contemporary look like when you went? The gallery space only has paintings on one wall right now

[2018-10-03T19:50:54Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-03T19:51:09Z] batzl015: Yep!

[2018-10-03T19:51:43Z] batzl015: Also, I just put video of parts of the workshop on the drive

[2018-10-03T19:55:00Z] batzl015: Voice sounds really cool. I think t could be really cool for what we’re doing :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-03T20:00:50Z] mahla008: Insane book at Midway

[2018-10-03T20:01:09Z] mahla008: About prisoner abuse

[2018-10-03T21:44:17Z] olso6229: Whats going on with the prison playlist google doc? Can we make that a collaborative spotify playlist?

[2018-10-03T22:40:03Z] danks010: Ya that was mine Lee?

[2018-10-03T22:40:44Z] danks010: its suppose to be a collaborative playlist whereas anyone can add music that is prison related, maybe evokes ideas about prisons, etc.

[2018-10-03T22:41:51Z] olso6229: Is there a spotify set up? Or is it only a google doc right now?

[2018-10-03T22:43:21Z] danks010: Right now its just a google doc to document the songs, artists, and then I threw in some lyrics because I think it's important to understand the words and messages they are trying to evoke and or persuade others

[2018-10-03T22:48:28Z] danks010:

[2018-10-03T22:49:12Z] danks010:

[2018-10-03T22:49:30Z] danks010:

[2018-10-03T22:49:52Z] danks010:

[2018-10-03T22:50:17Z] olso6229: I have a different perspective on Yves Klein and Judo after reading through that book

[2018-10-03T22:50:48Z] olso6229: Tools of Disobedience was so simple but powerful

[2018-10-03T22:50:53Z] danks010: Some Lygia Clark Books at the Midway Contemporary Library! Good stuff there as well.

[2018-10-04T01:13:43Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-04T01:13:57Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-04T14:03:01Z] olson175:

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Pennsylvania Prisons Hired A Private Company To Intercept And Store Prisoners’ Mail

https://theappeal.org/pennsylvania-prisons-hired-a-private-company-to-intercept-and-store-prisoners-mail/

[2018-10-04T14:14:53Z] olso6229: What the f******k

[2018-10-04T14:14:56Z] olso6229: Hold on

[2018-10-04T14:22:49Z] olso6229: All mail to prisons in Pennsylvania gets routed through a private company in Florida

[2018-10-04T14:23:23Z] olso6229: The mail is scanned into a database, a photocopy is made and sent to the prison, and the original mail is destroyed

[2018-10-04T14:23:40Z] olso6229: "The DOC has also banned prisoners from receiving books from vendors—including book donation organizations like Books Through Bars. Instead, prisoners will have the option of paying for ebooks via tablets that cost over $147 each."

[2018-10-04T14:23:46Z] olso6229: >tablets that cost over $147 each

[2018-10-04T14:23:48Z] olso6229: HA

[2018-10-04T14:26:33Z] olso6229: The reason for this happening sounds like it was orchestrated by the Pennsylvania DOC

[2018-10-04T14:28:58Z] olso6229: “An incarcerated person may not want a private company to know about them and their family’s medical problems. They may not want a private company to know about grievances that they have."

[2018-10-04T14:29:16Z] olso6229: From Zeke Caliguiri we already know healthcare + medical access in prisons is a nightmare

[2018-10-04T14:40:55Z] olso6229: Oh man,

“This new policy is already having a chilling effect on how lawyers are communicating with their clients. Because legal mail is being opened and copied, attorney-client privilege is basically being ignored”

[2018-10-04T16:32:56Z] olso6229: Phillip Zimbardo

[2018-10-04T17:26:49Z] bialo011: ^his prison experiment was actually deeply flawed and widely regarded as being heavily biased. He basically set it up in a way where the guards where influenced to be more aggressive

[2018-10-04T17:42:46Z] olso6229: totally

[2018-10-04T17:43:47Z] olso6229: they definitely highlight that bias in him in the stanford prison experiment movie

[2018-10-04T17:45:27Z] olso6229: i think that incident could be valuable for us to look at, because we (maybe) are going to impact the space in a way where we want to encourage or suggest certain reactions (emotions, watcher/watched psychology shift, etc)

[2018-10-04T18:00:21Z] olso6229: WAIT, WOW

[2018-10-04T18:01:00Z] olso6229: A sign to push our video ideas ahead

[2018-10-04T18:01:34Z] olso6229: I had left off just before this paragraph in the Pennsylvania DOC article

[2018-10-04T18:01:36Z] olso6229: “Staff no longer are required to inspect each page for the presence of contraband, significantly reducing the time that staff handle or view privileged documents and allowing the inmate to receive the mail sooner. Finally, under the revised procedure, the entire transaction is recorded by video.”

[2018-10-04T18:02:08Z] olso6229: meta-recording

[2018-10-04T18:02:16Z] olso6229: i wonder if they have guards watching at the same time

[2018-10-04T18:02:17Z] danks010: My other idea came to me! I was thinking about the idea of freedom. We talked a lot about how prisoners are affected, what they lose, and I was thinking a lot about the idea of privacy or lack of privacy in prison. I think we often forget that privacy is a freedom and so I was curious of relating losing this privacy to the idea about observation. I'm not sure where I am headed with this idea, but just something I was thinking about......

[2018-10-04T18:13:34Z] danks010: Hey Matt, what was that video called with the prisoners chopping wood? It's been a while since I have seen it...I wanted to refresh my memory!

[2018-10-04T18:18:54Z] olso6229: take a look in today, are we set on the quotes? i think we need a better balance between men and women

[2018-10-04T18:19:50Z] olso6229: there are three quotes from that seems odd to me

[2018-10-04T18:19:58Z] renst011: The newsletter is already sent in for print but I added all of the quotes that were up before class today!

[2018-10-04T18:22:05Z] olso6229: ahhhh got it

[2018-10-04T18:22:57Z] olso6229: but thank you for crafting a wild zine with us!! :heart_eyes::rolled_up_newspaper:

[2018-10-04T18:28:44Z] batzl015: Yeah, I understand that they pertain to the class, but I think we already have Matt quotes in the writing he did for the first newsletter

[2018-10-04T18:29:03Z] batzl015: I think for the sake of diversity, we can leave those ones out

[2018-10-04T18:40:52Z] olso6229: Last section of the Pennsylvania DOC article:

[2018-10-04T18:43:15Z] olso6229: "The policy also bans educational programs and books donation programs. / Books Through Bars, a donation service that has operated in Pennsylvania for over 30 years, is protesting this change as censorship. Through the program, prisoners can request two or three free books every three months. / A “million books are published a year. The DOC is saying they’ll offer [about] 8,000 titles on e-readers,” [Keir Neuringer, a longtime volunteer with Books Through Bars, said.] “When you consider that those of us on the outside have access to millions and millions of titles. This policy cuts you out of such an enormous access to books.” Neuringer also stated that e-book tablets make it possible for the DOC to start monitoring what people were reading."

[2018-10-04T18:44:27Z] olso6229: I'm not going to read a million, much less 8,000, books in my lifetime

[2018-10-04T18:45:04Z] olso6229: My frame of mind on book access was changed already by us talking, and even more after reading this

[2018-10-04T18:45:51Z] olso6229: Yeah, all of us "on the outside" all have access to every coffee shop in the twin cities, but who cares?? It's a totally empty statement to me

[2018-10-04T19:00:09Z] boris: - might be this:

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no more, my lord

https://youtu.be/4Is6N4Q26Tc

[2018-10-04T19:01:58Z] danks010: Thanks Boris! This is exactly what I was looking for! :+1:

[2018-10-04T19:03:21Z] boris: note the sound of a chip striking the microphone towards the end

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Various - Negro Prison Songs

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Negro-Prison-Songs/release/1587237

[2018-10-04T19:04:41Z] boris: I have the record, maybe we should organize a listening session:)

[2018-10-04T19:04:45Z] olso6229: YES

[2018-10-04T19:05:52Z] danks010: I will definitely keep my ears peeled for it! Thanks again.

[2018-10-04T19:08:07Z] olso6229: Is there a turntable in the weisman? can we bring it down to the target gallery during our class? to see how our moods and ideas change with the addition of sound

[2018-10-04T19:08:54Z] danks010: YES! Great Idea...definitely would think it would change the space with some noise, especially with the vaulted ceilings bouncing the noise.

[2018-10-04T22:58:54Z] olson175: this is the largest user of prison labor in the state according to Danny...

[2018-10-04T23:49:49Z] batzl015: Whaaaaaaaaaat

[2018-10-04T23:50:02Z] karle029: lol the irony is 2 good

[2018-10-04T23:51:25Z] batzl015: Also everyone, meet up this weekend/Monday to discuss questions and principles of the book arrangement? I think best with others I think

[2018-10-04T23:51:52Z] olso6229: Aye aye

[2018-10-04T23:52:49Z] karle029: yeah i'm down

[2018-10-05T00:20:28Z] danks010: ill do my best to try to get there

[2018-10-05T01:19:40Z] fasbe023: I'm in

[2018-10-05T14:47:52Z] schra470: I only have one class Monday (11:15-12:30) so that sounds great to me

[2018-10-05T14:50:18Z] batzl015: Cool :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-05T15:11:04Z] schra470: Just remembered something I forgot to recommend yesterday during our short discussion on music! For all those who are curious about music, check out the “music” episode on a show called “explained” on Netflix. Super fascinating info on how humans understand and experience music unlike any other creature on earth. I think there is something to be said about how there’s no true way to explain how the human brain puts all the elements of music together and makes sense of it, and for that to cause an emotional reaction....just something to be curious about :thinking_face: Also, I’d recommend everyone just watch that show in general, every episode is super interesting and just makes you a little more knowledgeable about topics you may have never even thought about! And it comes out on a weekly basis, so you don’t run out of episodes to watch:slightly_smiling_face::v::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-05T18:53:56Z] olso6229: cool ill check it out, whats the nutshell of how humans experience music differently??

[2018-10-05T18:55:09Z] olso6229: Is monday or sunday a better day to meet? Open invitation to everyone

[2018-10-05T18:57:03Z] schra470: Basically from what I remember, there are all these different aspects of music (pitch, rhythm, harmony, etc) that are exclusively detected by different species, but we actually use all of these together to hear music

[2018-10-05T18:57:31Z] schra470: Also, a fun fact was that we are one of the only creatures that can easily move to a beat, almost unconsciously

[2018-10-05T19:10:30Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-05T19:10:32Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-05T19:10:37Z] olso6229: Markus Miessen will be at Rapson this fall

[2018-10-05T19:11:28Z] olso6229: Monday, November 26th at 5pm in Rapson 100

[2018-10-05T19:23:15Z] mahla008: Omg it's that guy

[2018-10-05T19:33:11Z] olso6229: Lets invite him to the weisman

[2018-10-05T20:18:36Z] watso595: Zines in studio for the studio crawl!!

[2018-10-05T20:28:47Z] olso6229: SENSATIONAL

[2018-10-05T20:29:07Z] olso6229: Anyone going to the WAM many visions preview party tonight after studio crawl?

[2018-10-05T23:54:57Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-06T00:27:28Z] krieg087: Hey everyone!! I think I finally have my slack up and running again?? I'm realizing my comments from last weekend never posted when I thought they were (Sam I'm pretty positive the same thing was happening to me, as what happened to your slack a couple weeks ago). So for my assignment I'm going to need some volunteers, the more there are, the more powerful the project.

Looking at the idea of imprisonment, I want to do portraits of our studio group and give people the chance to just bear raw emotion and discuss heavy topics in a public way. The theme of each portrait will be the question asked personally "What am I imprisoned by?" My portrait will be about my disability and feeling imprisoned by my own body.

If you want to be a part of this feel free to like this message, contact me via Facebook message, email me at , shoot me a text, send a telegraph, or a tiny rolled up scroll delivered by a fox, or a note on a carrier pigeon.

[2018-10-06T00:43:04Z] batzl015: Just wrote a little thing on the interview I did with my mom about her teaching practice and her thoughts on Coccia’s writing. Here it is!

[2018-10-06T00:46:44Z] olso6229: Wow good timing, heres my mom interview for the zine too haha

[2018-10-06T00:51:59Z] olso6229: i'll also post this in newsletter media [edited file, latest version is in ]

[2018-10-06T00:52:10Z] olso6229: here's a PDF too

[2018-10-06T00:52:29Z] olso6229: im heading to WAM preview party now, but i'll read it this weekend

[2018-10-06T01:27:28Z] rumbe003:

[2018-10-06T01:27:31Z] rumbe003:

[2018-10-06T01:27:35Z] rumbe003:

[2018-10-06T01:28:10Z] rumbe003: Matt had me handwrite an interview with John Cage about collaboration, and to try and incorporate sketches relevant to Cage's life/work

[2018-10-06T01:28:15Z] rumbe003: So, here it is I guess!

[2018-10-06T01:30:29Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-06T01:30:33Z] mahla008: It's Poppin at the weisman

[2018-10-06T01:30:57Z] olso6229: Im on #slack mom

[2018-10-06T01:56:27Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-06T02:12:00Z] mahla008: Are we meeting Monday or was there a plan for a time this weekend?

[2018-10-06T18:15:26Z] watso595: I could meet monday

[2018-10-06T18:25:45Z] karle029: If this helps to figure out a time when people are all available :

[2018-10-06T18:26:29Z] karle029: updated notes

[2018-10-06T18:28:26Z] mahla008: Wow that's a cool tool

[2018-10-06T18:29:08Z] olso6229: Oooo ty

[2018-10-06T18:43:52Z] olso6229: I like this way more than doodle

[2018-10-06T18:43:58Z] olso6229: Filled my availability out

[2018-10-07T19:51:20Z] schra470:

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The end of American prison visits: jails end face-to-face contact – and families suffer

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/09/skype-for-jailed-video-calls-prisons-replace-in-person-visits

[2018-10-07T19:58:08Z] schra470: This is what Matt was talking about on Thursday when he briefly brought up switching from in-person visits to video chats in prison. Not only is stripping away an inmates ability to have face to face contact unethical in my opinion, the fact that a person has to pay $13 for a 20 minute, glitching conversation is absurd. I personally believe nobody should ever profit off of crime and incarceration, but here is YET ANOTHER way in which someone is filling their pockets at the expense of others. It is sad. Also, I know this is nothing like being separated by incarceration, but being somebody who uses video chat almost daily to connect with my partner who lives in a different city, I can easily say there is so much lacking in a conversation that happens over a screen, vs in person contact. This is just sad.

[2018-10-07T22:54:36Z] rumbe003: Crazy... the prison phone industry is valued at 1.2 billion dollars a year! That's insane!

[2018-10-07T22:54:54Z] rumbe003: Monopolizing human rights

[2018-10-07T22:58:34Z] rumbe003: Are there any question that people might have about prisons and the architecture of prisons and how design might be used as a strategy in prisons? Or anything along those lines? I'm going into BWBR tomorrow for an informational interview and I know that one of the architects that I'm meeting with has a large body of work in prison design, so I plan on picking his brain a little bit

[2018-10-08T12:31:19Z] batzl015: Meet later today? Also does anyone know how to play piano/have access to a piano?

[2018-10-08T12:53:37Z] olso6229: you could open up a DAW like garageband or logic on your laptop and use a keyboard piano :musical_keyboard:

[2018-10-08T13:40:25Z] olso6229: aside from the 1st floor piano in coffman, there are pianos by the whole and upstairs around the president’s room

[2018-10-08T13:41:01Z] olso6229: There might be one in the lind hall library still

[2018-10-08T13:42:58Z] watso595: It looks like around 4 today might be a good time to meet?

[2018-10-08T13:44:54Z] olso6229: I could jam with a four

[2018-10-08T13:45:35Z] batzl015: 4 works for me!

[2018-10-08T14:56:55Z] olso6229: Just had a chat at work with our digital comms director, she pitched the idea of having me do a U of M alumni association instagram takeover for like a week. Im thinking it could be a good way to promote wecolab/weisman/danny’s project/BDA

Thoughts?

[2018-10-08T15:10:38Z] schra470: Yes!!

[2018-10-08T15:11:10Z] schra470: Also I can meet at 4 too :grin: BDA studio?

[2018-10-08T15:13:30Z] watso595: Yeah let’s meet in studio, there’ll be some classes going on but I think it could be good to discuss wecolab stuff around other BDA students since they aren’t able to see what we do as much

[2018-10-08T19:36:23Z] schra470: turned the google docs prison playlist into a spotify playlist for easier listening! Added a few of my own songs and made it collaborative, so if you have spotify, add away!

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Prison

https://open.spotify.com/user/1247497233/playlist/1v3SH9dyKt3X5ZAsuBBy4T?si=9LeF9BMGSx-bOm21bdswOQ

[2018-10-08T20:10:57Z] schra470: Artist Trent Bell created this very moving project in 2014 called "REFLECT Project" which basically consists of portraits of prisoners with letters to their past selves surrounding them....Powerful stuff that may give insight into the personal more human side of this project. Here's a link to the images:

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Reflect Portrait of Wes

https://www.trentbell.com/REFLECT-Project/prisoners/1

[2018-10-08T21:59:02Z] schra470: Lee and Oliver’s Collaborative transportation

[2018-10-08T22:01:51Z] karle029: bad news ppl

[2018-10-08T22:02:13Z] karle029: weismann is closed on mondays apparently

[2018-10-08T22:02:26Z] schra470: OMG NO

[2018-10-08T22:02:34Z] watso595: Oh no

[2018-10-08T22:03:03Z] schra470: Sasha are you still there

[2018-10-08T22:03:09Z] karle029: yes

[2018-10-08T22:15:30Z] schra470: If anyone who’s free wants to come to the wood workshop we are here!

[2018-10-09T14:23:45Z] schra470: Our prototype is being carted

[2018-10-09T18:26:24Z] olso6229: about NY book art fair

[2018-10-09T18:26:28Z] olso6229: i've mentioned moon palace books before

[2018-10-09T18:26:56Z] olso6229: moon palce is drawing from NY book art fair

[2018-10-09T18:27:46Z] olso6229: i can also see threads to the NY book art fair from this years Autoptic in downtown

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Autoptic 2018 / Aug. 19, 2018 / MPLS, MN

https://autoptic.org/

[2018-10-09T18:28:21Z] olso6229: beautiful place too, Aria

[2018-10-10T00:23:10Z] olso6229: Jakob colten and i are communicating with Jennifer at the MN Prison Writing Workshop. I can copy or summarize her email for you all, she’s been a great help to us so far. Does anyone have any questions or thoughts they want to have us translate over to her?

[2018-10-10T00:24:21Z] olso6229: The prison workshop also hosts a public reading event called Beyond Bars, which i think we all need to go to

[2018-10-10T00:24:41Z] olso6229: Jennifer was gracious and invited us all there

[2018-10-10T00:25:43Z] olso6229: It’ll be at Hamline this month

[2018-10-10T00:25:47Z] olso6229:

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Beyond Bars: A Public Reading - October 22, 2016, 7:00pm

https://www.mnprisonwriting.org/mpww-public-reading.html

[2018-10-10T00:28:09Z] olso6229: As far as book donations, we’re getting copies of the gift and how can i help? I mean, really, imagine the WARDEN holding copies of those books in their hands and deciding if they get in. That’s wild to me :face_with_cowboy_hat:

[2018-10-10T00:32:16Z] olso6229: and I also have some info to unpack and communicate to y’all

[2018-10-10T00:33:03Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-10T00:33:52Z] olso6229: We just found this earlier tonight

[2018-10-10T00:36:01Z] olso6229: In tune with ’s conversation with BWBR. Also, Sam, did the people you talk to at BWBR have a weird attitude about being a firm that has designed prisons? Were they embarrassed, was there a stigma attached to it, were they neutral or happy about it? Curious what their feeling towards it are

[2018-10-10T00:40:52Z] danks010: Super interested in exploring some of the ideas regarding a study by Laura Kurgan that mentioned above. and I are applying some of the things we learned in WeCoLab to a research project in another class.

[2018-10-10T00:41:44Z] danks010: You might need to give me a recap of the Beyond Bars Lecture if you go. I have class on Monday nights so I can't make it. Really wish I could go though.

[2018-10-10T02:56:57Z] olso6229: Anyone have time for a library visit tomorrow 2pm?

[2018-10-10T03:42:02Z] olso6229: We have room for 1 more to come with

[2018-10-10T03:42:16Z] olso6229: In coltens car anyway

[2018-10-10T03:42:42Z] olso6229: We’re going to MCAD / MIA at 2pm

[2018-10-10T03:43:57Z] olso6229: If you have time, you should meet up and check it out with us all! :bat:

[2018-10-10T17:25:40Z] olson175: could you guys bring some wecolabs and try to place them? especially using your new awareness of etiquette :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-10T17:25:55Z] olson175: newsletters that is

[2018-10-10T17:27:02Z] mahla008: where can we get the newsletters? Is there more in studio?

[2018-10-10T17:27:48Z] watso595: In the arch office, in a box

[2018-10-10T17:27:59Z] watso595: Mahva can tell you if you can’t find the box

[2018-10-10T17:30:34Z] schra470: can I come to the library today!?

[2018-10-10T17:32:13Z] mahla008: Cool cool pwatts

[2018-10-10T17:51:43Z] schra470: Shelves have been moved from our original cluster...interesting observation, wonder how this will affect the view from the window

[2018-10-10T17:55:43Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-10T17:55:46Z] mahla008: I bet it was this guy who moved them

[2018-10-10T18:25:23Z] olso6229: Let’s come up with some locations to group up outside of the Weisman for tomorrow:

[2018-10-10T18:25:44Z] olso6229: The graduate hotel lobby

[2018-10-10T18:26:24Z] olso6229: Nanotech building 2nd or 3rd floor

[2018-10-10T18:26:29Z] mahla008: ?

[2018-10-10T18:27:11Z] olso6229: Didn’t we say that we would think of places to meet with Danny outside of WAM tomorrow?

[2018-10-10T18:27:17Z] olso6229: Or did that get scrapped?

[2018-10-10T18:27:57Z] schra470: Graduate hotel lobby :heart_eyes: most comfortable seating

[2018-10-10T18:28:31Z] batzl015: I think it would be cool to meet outside of WAM or Rapson

[2018-10-10T18:28:49Z] batzl015: Maybe a room in Bruninks? I’m not sure

[2018-10-10T18:29:26Z] olso6229: Bruininks feels sterile IMO, the lobby areas facing the river is nice

[2018-10-10T18:29:31Z] mahla008: I thought we were just meeting in a different room of the weismann

[2018-10-10T18:29:39Z] mahla008: Cause we couldn't decide

[2018-10-10T18:30:00Z] olso6229: I thought that was for the first half before we meet Danny

[2018-10-10T18:31:53Z] mahla008: :thinking_face:

[2018-10-10T18:33:08Z] olso6229: the merge records bit in your email is really throwin me off

[2018-10-10T18:33:25Z] olso6229: Your friends know how to pick em

[2018-10-10T18:35:00Z] olso6229: about the book rearrangement, see ’s photo/message above. Seems like someone outside of our class did it? As far as i know, we left then placed neatly on the carts, which were clustered by the window

[2018-10-10T18:37:51Z] olso6229: We will distribute some magazines to MCAD + MIA today. Light Grey Art Lab is across the street from MCAD, maybe we can drop some off there.

[2018-10-10T19:09:21Z] olso6229: you still wanna come with?

[2018-10-10T19:10:22Z] schra470: Yes! I’ve been in contact with Colten, we good

[2018-10-10T19:10:29Z] olso6229: Sweet

[2018-10-10T19:10:36Z] olso6229: Jakob and i will come down to HGA

[2018-10-10T23:04:44Z] olso6229: we’ve got some cool news to pass on from our library visit today !!

[2018-10-10T23:05:41Z] olso6229: We’ll explain tomorrow :scorpion::basketball:

[2018-10-11T01:17:45Z] feria006: Matt asked me to share this manifesto by Jason Rens an individual not so characterized by his designs as much as the individual aspects of craft and emotion that they evoke. I looked into Rens further and discovered a couple interview in which he got into many of the topics/issues we are facing now. First, he talks about materials as letters in the alphabet, how when in the right combination and order they can make words, sentences and eventually language. I think this could be something to consider as we move forward in to making something.

[2018-10-11T01:21:26Z] feria006: Second, his thoughts on collaboration. Most of his projects involving collaborating across many different professions, mediums and ideologies. I think going forward we should use his manifesto in order to keep our ideas evolving and thus making the product much more evoking.

[2018-10-11T02:03:29Z] olson175: He's a friend so, if we wanna Skype with him or something, it'd be easy. (He might even say he learned some of this stuff from me?!) :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-11T07:54:53Z] olso6229: Highlights from 's interview with architects @ BWBR about prison design. Posting for Sam because his Slack has toys in the attic

[2018-10-11T07:54:56Z] olso6229: -In their eyes, prison design has become much LESS oppressive over the last 10-15 years.. more space is being provided for inmates in cells and in common areas, more focus is being put towards ventilation of the prison, circulation within the prison to best suite the prisoners, etc. I found that to be interesting because I see it as a sign of positive change and motion(hopefully).

-These designers/architects talked me through some design strategies that they use. In each prison, they strive for two things: Calmness and Security. How do these things mix and match? Security is such a tension-inducing word, calmness is the opposite. They aim to provide abundant amounst of daylight into qualifying areas of the prisons, as well as the use of acoustic materials on the walls and in corners of larger areas. Since there are so many hard surfaces in prisons, sounds bounces everywhere, especially when tensions are high and there is lots of yelling. I found this to be especially interesting, especially in light of our recent discussions regarding sound, and sound as a free and endless resource.

-Perhaps most importantly, they encouraged me to think of prison as a city. This I found to be incredibly thought provoking. Society always constructs this image of "real life" and the city life as one thing, and then prisons as an entirely different world/concept. In reality, prisons have stores, economies, transportations systems, postal services, recreational opportunities, educational facilities, etc. Many components to the cities that free citizens live in and understand! I think we could be more productive moving forward if we also thought of prisons as miniature cities, instead of thinking of them as other-worldly. We may be able to empathize more efficiently with prisoners and find more humanity in our humility.

[2018-10-11T07:57:29Z] olso6229: ++ in the morning let's all talk about meeting outside of WAM for the back half of class

[2018-10-11T18:13:28Z] feria006: Just a spark from the meeting with Danny today, he talked a lot of statistics of the people in jail (all family member, half parents, third with mental illness) an idea for redacting our readings could be using those percentages for the percent of the reading, skipping pages or words to raise awareness to the types of people that are in this system

[2018-10-11T18:19:10Z] olso6229: Damn, good observation , i totally missed that. I did pick up on Danny being into incorporating the number of balloons that a prisoner would pack for single shipping into something we make. Ideas?

[2018-10-11T18:23:06Z] olso6229: Overview from today with Danny:

- balloons :balloon: + handing out to people, incorporated with the target gallery space, something that gets handed out at the event? during the sleep conversation event, people were given pillows, pillow cases, and sewing kits to make at home, as an activity to help them fall asleep. Create a giant pikachu balloon glob at the WAM entry

[2018-10-11T18:24:00Z] olso6229: - evoke prison visitation environment. Rows/benches of seats where people face each other

[2018-10-11T18:24:40Z] olso6229: ^^ tie boris’ interview with robert irwin + habitability symposium into the way we think about this

[2018-10-11T18:25:46Z] olso6229: (Cool note, boris is generating a habitability symposium in 2020 here. Also, jennifer newsom + dream the combine will be the artists in residence at WAM next academic year)

[2018-10-11T18:27:20Z] olso6229: you should talk to jennifer about Spooky Architecture. She did a guest lecture in one of my classes on Halloween last year dressed as a witch.

[2018-10-11T18:28:47Z] olso6229: - directional lines on the floor. Tape may ruin the floor, try paint instead. Will people have a weird psychological obstacle of crossing a painted line on the floor?

[2018-10-11T18:30:59Z] olso6229: How that evokes control, restriction, authority, order, rules, manufacturing inaccessibility, obscuring. We don’t know what we don’t know

[2018-10-11T18:37:14Z] olso6229: - play handball as a performance? Activity outside of WAM to stop people on the street. Something we do during the workshop artist talk? Something filmed or photographed and gets projected into the space?

[2018-10-11T18:38:07Z] olso6229: - will WAM allow concrete or cinderblocks?

[2018-10-11T18:40:43Z] olso6229: - how can we use sound? Start recording books on tape. Redact audio - distort audio, censor with SFX, dont record certain words/topics/passages/etc. Is the redaction explicit or hidden? A false transparency? People wouldn’t know what they don’t know.

[2018-10-11T18:45:59Z] olso6229: - about materials, danny mentioned blue-gray enamel paint

[2018-10-11T18:47:12Z] olso6229: - can we see if the U of M has a banned books list?

[2018-10-11T18:47:38Z] olso6229: How does that list overlap, align, conflict, surprise us when compared to DOC lists?

[2018-10-11T18:49:16Z] olso6229: A reminder: MN Prison Writing Workshop’s Beyond Bars event is at Hamline next Saturday, October 20 at 7 PM – 9 PM

[2018-10-11T18:50:18Z] olso6229: The event is free and Jennifer from the program has warmly and graciously invited us all to attend

[2018-10-11T18:51:47Z] danks010: That Spooky Architecture lecture your talking about is really interesting, besides the point that it doesn't relate to this project

[2018-10-11T18:52:13Z] olso6229: In what ways does it not?

[2018-10-11T18:53:18Z] danks010: I suppose I would have to reflect more on it. That's a good question for me to explore.

[2018-10-11T19:01:32Z] danks010:

[2018-10-11T19:01:51Z] danks010:

[2018-10-11T19:04:00Z] danks010: Here was a few collages I had been working on to build ways to express ideas by storytelling. I realize after todays meeting that these may be irrelevant but the goal behind them was try to evoke ideas of viewing the space. However, I am keeping this on the back burner to allow other ideas to be generated.

[2018-10-11T19:11:40Z] olso6229: Thank you for sharing !!

[2018-10-11T19:12:22Z] olso6229: Markus Miessen will be in Rapson on November 26th.

He's the Principle Architect of Studio Miessen in Germany, which is self-described as a "decentrally-organized group of architects, designers, and researchers interested in the deployment of Critical Spatial Practice as a methodology. They collaboratively work and consult on projects that include spatial design, strategic frameworks, research, curatorial and discursive activities."

They also say they "work closely with artists, who we assist to realize small-to-large-scale spatial ideas and support them in realizing exhibitions and large-scale institutional shows. Our work also includes self-initiated activities and projects that span from physical construction to writing and criticism. Our practice is based on dialogue."

Sounds familiar. :slightly_smiling_face:

If Markus is here on the day before or after that Monday, we should invite him to WAM, talk with him, other ideas?

[2018-10-11T19:13:54Z] danks010: Most definitely agree.

[2018-10-11T19:13:57Z] olso6229: - here are some photos of Danny's work that I was referencing today:

[2018-10-11T19:16:52Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-11T19:48:11Z] olso6229: I've scheduled my office Instagram takeover for the week of Danny's workshop/conversation in November

[2018-10-11T19:49:46Z] olso6229: Following from our discussion on how to escape architectural material traps, here's a recent solo exhibition from MCAD faculty member Kate Casanova. This was at Public Functionary this August

[2018-10-11T19:49:47Z] olso6229:

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Body Works: Kate Casanova at Public Functionary

https://www.mplsart.com/written/2018/08/body-works-kate-casanova-at-public-functionary/

[2018-10-11T20:33:44Z] olson175: here's the guys I work with for context, you might even recognize some universal patterns and forms?

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Sober path out of prison in jeopardy

http://www.startribune.com/sober-path-out-of-prison-in-jeopardy/122632424/

[2018-10-11T23:42:09Z] karle029: could you add your notes to the google doc pls:)

[2018-10-12T01:16:31Z] karle029: ‼️ please fill out your availability !! ‼️

[2018-10-12T01:18:12Z] mahla008: ^^^^^^^^

[2018-10-12T03:16:42Z] olso6229: i would love to :heart:

[2018-10-12T03:32:44Z] olso6229: I've restructured the google notes document

[2018-10-12T03:32:47Z] olso6229: and added notes from today

[2018-10-12T03:34:34Z] olso6229: I've changed the chronology to descending dates, that way most recent meetings have higher visibility

[2018-10-12T03:36:59Z] olso6229: So a few of us visited MCAD/MIA this week. After talking to the librarians there, we found out MIA hosted an event during BANNED BOOKS WEEK at the end of September titled "Don't Read This! Don't See This! : Censorship and the Creative Truth of Words and Art"

[2018-10-12T03:41:30Z] olso6229: We passed over a few copies of the WeCoLab zine to the librarians to give to program/department heads and directors. We also exchanged contact info, and will stay in touch. I asked Danny if he's interested in connecting with MIA and will follow up on that with him

[2018-10-12T03:42:34Z] olso6229: Sam's BWBR interview summary is also on the doc

[2018-10-12T03:44:09Z] olso6229: Does anyone want to take a trip to Moon Palace Books together? If you want to experience the NY book art fair approach firsthand, that place is a great resource

[2018-10-12T05:21:54Z] olso6229: Anyone have time for a library visit next Monday or Wednesday afternoon?

[2018-10-12T07:32:00Z] olso6229:

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The Voice Behind Many Bestselling Books On Tape Is Actually That of An Infamous Serial Killer

https://www.shared.com/serial-killer-audio-books/

[2018-10-12T07:32:29Z] olso6229: Kemper murdered several people, including his paternal grandparents and mother

[2018-10-12T07:32:43Z] olso6229: He was also a necrophiliac

[2018-10-12T07:33:05Z] olso6229: Bits from the article:

[2018-10-12T07:33:07Z] olso6229: "From 1977 to 1987, Kemper had spent over 5,000 hours in the recording booth and had more than four million feet of tape and several hundred books to his credit"

[2018-10-12T07:33:11Z] olso6229: “I can’t begin to tell you what this has meant to me, to be able to do something constructive for someone else, to be appreciated by so many people, the good feeling it gives me after what I have done,” Kemper said.

[2018-10-12T07:35:07Z] olso6229: He is currently serving 8 concurrent life sentences in California

[2018-10-12T07:37:45Z] olso6229:

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Imgur

https://imgur.com/xzWBeyL

[2018-10-12T07:37:56Z] olso6229: Is there something we can do with the essence of inmate IDs?

[2018-10-12T07:38:30Z] olso6229:

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Ed Kemper Interview - 1991 (extended)

https://youtu.be/j8IfslxOmF0

[2018-10-12T07:44:27Z] olso6229: This is wild, imagine this: this video is an interview of Ed Kemper by French writer Stéphane Bourgoin.

In 1976, Bourgoin discovered his girlfriend Eileen, "killed, raped and cut into pieces" in their apartment in Los Angeles, California.

Since 1979, Bourgoin has interviewed 77 different serial killers.

[2018-10-12T14:08:55Z] mahla008: reposting cause we only got half the studio rn

[2018-10-12T14:11:13Z] olso6229: it takes like 10 seconds to fill out on your phone :)

[2018-10-12T16:25:31Z] mahla008: Are the only people still needing to do the when to meet, but so far only half of us could meet tonight. Alot of us could do saturday morning, half on sunday, and most of us monday evening

[2018-10-12T17:39:43Z] rumbe003: I am out of town at a family wedding all weekend so my only day I can meet is Monday evening

[2018-10-12T17:39:52Z] rumbe003: as I just put into the thing

[2018-10-12T18:05:10Z] olso6229: Sweet thanks for the heads up sam!

[2018-10-12T18:07:25Z] batzl015: just updated it!

[2018-10-12T19:26:41Z] olso6229: Thank you Pangolin

[2018-10-12T19:36:38Z] santo204: Sorry for the delay, I filled out the when 2 meet now

[2018-10-12T20:00:44Z] mahla008: Would we want to meet Saturday morning and then maybe Sunday night? And if we have to Monday night?

[2018-10-12T20:02:23Z] batzl015: I dig that

[2018-10-12T20:02:54Z] mahla008: And then maybe after the proposal we could maybe break into teams for certain projects for the 14th so it's easier for people to meet in those groups?

[2018-10-12T20:07:13Z] watso595: I could meet tomorrow morning! I like that plan

[2018-10-12T20:07:26Z] olso6229: Agree im into it

[2018-10-12T20:36:18Z] schra470: Spotted in the bathroom at St. Croix state park :eyes:

[2018-10-13T00:05:31Z] danks010: Nice find.

[2018-10-13T00:06:49Z] olso6229: See yall tomorrow around 9 am in rapson!

[2018-10-13T15:44:27Z] watso595: Hey , we're working on drafting a project proposal and want to know if we're thinking about two separate projects (one for nov. 14th and the other for dec 11th), or if we want to have all of our ideas done by the artist talk on nov. 14th?

[2018-10-13T15:45:29Z] mahla008: I vote Nov 14th all ideas

[2018-10-13T15:46:00Z] watso595: I wonder about what we do after nov. 14th if we have all the projects done by then

[2018-10-13T15:46:04Z] olso6229: I vote duo/concurrent projects

[2018-10-13T15:48:40Z] fasbe023: Duo/concurrent

[2018-10-13T16:10:25Z] : has a poll for you!

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Hey @everyone, we're working on drafting a project proposal and want to know if we're thinking about two separate projects (one for nov. 14th and the other for dec 11th), or if we want to have all of our ideas done by the artist talk on nov. 14th?

[2018-10-13T16:22:10Z] batzl015: I’ll be in around noon to work with y’all

[2018-10-13T16:48:32Z] schra470: Unfortunately I’m out of town today so I won’t be able to come help, but I will be available on Sunday night and Monday to help continue the project

[2018-10-13T16:52:11Z] mahla008: We will have a second meeting Sunday night, time to be decided later, we got a good start today and Parker and a few others will be forming a draft of the proposal to be edited and finalized tomorrow for matt

[2018-10-13T17:10:29Z] batzl015: Where are y’all?

[2018-10-13T17:10:37Z] batzl015: Did you finish up already?

[2018-10-13T17:11:21Z] olso6229: I left, but we set up a google doc draft for the project proposal :ok_hand::ok_hand:

[2018-10-13T17:11:36Z] batzl015: Ok, sounds good

[2018-10-13T17:11:40Z] batzl015: Sorry I couldn’t make it

[2018-10-13T17:12:21Z] olso6229: No problem, see you tomorrow?

[2018-10-13T17:16:09Z] batzl015: Yep!

[2018-10-13T18:43:54Z] olson175: great to see motion/enthusiasm! Nice job you guys. Just a reminder - maybe you're already doing this but - I encourage you to move all things forward at the same time... so discussions about dates are important but until we know more about what we're going to do, it's hard to make those decisions meaningful? I always try to keep as many variables in the air and moving with me as long as I can. The variables I can see now are: built objects (design, iterations, and prototyping may be necessary), policies the Weisman and Boris have that might affect those objects/designs, budgets and the necessity to get Gayla and Boris's approval, shop time and project planning, material considerations, de-installation and disposal/recycling at the end of the project, new ideas that will emerge as we move... so make sure you visit these things if you haven't! What am I forgetting? And let me know "how can I help" :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-13T18:44:16Z] rumbe003: Sorry I couldn't make it either, thank for doing that you guys! Exciting stuff!

[2018-10-13T22:50:26Z] watso595: Hey Matt, do you have any examples of project proposals or things like that your firm has made? might be useful as reference while we start to think about all these variables and work on the first draft of ours

[2018-10-14T00:40:37Z] olson175: as part of our attitude about 'open practice' we don't participate in competitions or RFPs so formal, written proposals have been rare in my work. We pretty much only work with people who approach us and never really seek work. But I'd be happy to talk you guys through a few projects on Tuesday to explain how they've come to life. Let me know.

[2018-10-14T14:41:23Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-14T14:42:25Z] olso6229: We should donate these books at Beyond Bars!

[2018-10-14T14:54:11Z] olso6229: Also, a few of us are going to the center for book arts + library in downtown minneapolis on monday afternoon. Open invitation to join us! :books::slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-14T16:37:37Z] mahla008: just a reminder that we are meeting from 3-5 in the the BDA studio today

[2018-10-14T16:45:41Z] olso6229: I’ll be there!

[2018-10-14T19:52:20Z] santo204: I’ll be working in the Rapson laser lab from 3-10, so if someone wants to come fill me or work on scale models of any concepts let me know

[2018-10-14T19:53:12Z] mahla008: Np abe I'll fill you in when you come in and we will come by the lab and get ur help

[2018-10-14T20:47:00Z] fasbe023:

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Joe Rogan Experience #1171 - Nick Yarris

https://youtu.be/AIc5XYpRc1M

[2018-10-15T16:46:05Z] schra470: Where are we meeting up for today’s field trip?

[2018-10-15T16:46:35Z] olso6229: BDA studio, then we’ll walk to the greenline station together

[2018-10-15T16:46:53Z] watso595: Meeting at 1?

[2018-10-15T16:46:57Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-10-15T21:33:59Z] batzl015: Move.

Some good advise from a zine I found at the Center for the Book Arts. Everyone should check this place out!

[2018-10-15T21:34:05Z] batzl015:

[2018-10-15T22:06:38Z] danks010: Wish I could have made it...Unfortunately I had class! Lol We have permission to skip class in favor of doing work for WeCoLab?

[2018-10-15T22:18:17Z] olson175: does move mean physical or conceptual?

[2018-10-15T23:29:53Z] batzl015: I think both

[2018-10-16T14:23:33Z] feria006:

Vice Article about prison handball. Many inmates talk about how the game play resembles life in prison.

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Handball Saved My Life: A Sport Behind Bars

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/yp7yyv/handball-saved-my-life-a-sport-behind-bars

[2018-10-16T14:46:40Z] fasbe023: A video to help understand what andy goldsworthy does

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Rivers and Tides- Andy Goldsworthy

https://youtu.be/f7sZv4_0Fxg

[2018-10-16T18:01:22Z] danks010: I have your sketchbook...you left it at the Weisman so I'll bring it to our meeting tomorrow.

[2018-10-16T19:26:10Z] mahla008: I bought batteries for the laser if you want to use it for measuring, if ur in rapson rn I can give it to ya or find a time to give it to you

[2018-10-16T19:28:37Z] fasbe023: Abe and I found this at the minneapolis central library

[2018-10-16T19:55:49Z] watso595: do you have the measurements of the space yet? does someone need to get an email to Boris?

[2018-10-16T20:32:00Z] santo204: Library visit

[2018-10-16T20:32:37Z] santo204: Happy Librarian

[2018-10-16T22:43:54Z] olso6229: The notes from today’s meeting are on the Google document. I organized everything we talked about into categories. There are plenty of ideas for each group to develop

[2018-10-16T22:47:45Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-16T22:50:23Z] batzl015: I will share a budget and material spreadsheet that I made earlier today with everyone tonight. It’s a list of possible materials, equipment, and costs that we can pull from when choosing our materials. Please take some time to take a look. I think we should have it filled out by tomorrow night at the latest. Keep the stoke high! :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-17T12:12:07Z] olso6229: the spreadsheet looks great, thanks for getting that started

[2018-10-17T20:31:42Z] santo204: & are we still meeting in the BDA studio?

[2018-10-17T20:32:38Z] karle029: weisman

[2018-10-17T20:54:51Z] schra470: Hey guys, just shared with you all an “observation log” that the guard gang is going to work on as the space changes. We will primarily add to it, but if you find yourself observing in your free time, feel free to log your findings on this doc!

[2018-10-18T03:54:06Z] batzl015: Great work filling out the materials spreadsheet y’all!

[2018-10-18T03:54:51Z] batzl015: We still need to fill the video and audio section, so if anyone has done research on that, please put it in the spreadsheet so we can discuss feasibility tomorrow!

[2018-10-18T15:07:22Z] kesse046: This is a simplistic shell of the space, feel free to request the addition of details we will need

[2018-10-18T16:27:07Z] batzl015: A used prison bench…

[2018-10-18T16:28:54Z] batzl015:

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Barker Built® Replacement Seat, Stainless | Jail and Correctional Supplies

https://www.bobbarker.com/replacement-seat-stainless.html

[2018-10-18T18:06:52Z] schra470: Here’s my really REALLY rough sketch from today if we wanna run with the idea of a slant

[2018-10-18T18:09:39Z] batzl015: I think I need more time to work over slants :thinking_face: I don’t know how that functions with the redaction of books that we were passionate about earlier

[2018-10-18T18:52:59Z] mahla008: I think there can be room for both, books on display and book redaction

[2018-10-18T19:36:41Z] batzl015: I totally agree

[2018-10-18T19:37:01Z] batzl015: We should be intentional about how those things relate though

[2018-10-18T19:37:31Z] batzl015: Maybe they’re the same, like redacted and displayed

[2018-10-18T21:55:34Z] feria006: I think the slant is super dope. #slantgang

[2018-10-19T00:25:34Z] olson175: could there be lighting under the benchs?

[2018-10-19T03:35:12Z] kesse046: Here's a quick model of a bench in Sketchup. 12 benches will cost ~$315 (including tax.) I looked on the Home Depot website and found the 2x4s (8' long) are $2.59 per piece and the 4'x8'x3/4" plywood is $20.07 per piece. It will take a total of 20 8' long 2x4's, and 12 sheets of plywood to construct all 12. The bench's dimensions are 1 1/2' x 1 1/2' x 8'

[2018-10-19T03:36:00Z] kesse046: This design is modeled off of Haley's design

[2018-10-19T03:36:08Z] kesse046:

[2018-10-19T19:08:39Z] mahla008: The gift and How Can I Help is on its way to the wardens office in stillwater

[2018-10-19T20:53:05Z] olso6229: Thank you !!

[2018-10-19T21:31:13Z] mahla008: Very cool!

[2018-10-19T23:03:33Z] olso6229: On display at All Square

[2018-10-19T23:44:16Z] olso6229: Bob Marley — I Shot the Sheriff was playing while we ate

[2018-10-19T23:50:44Z] olso6229: Quick info about All Square:

[2018-10-19T23:50:53Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-20T14:26:39Z] olso6229: Who all is coming to Beyond Bars tonight with , , and me?

[2018-10-20T14:45:27Z] batzl015: I don’t think I can come through :( My parents are in the cities tonight and I should spend time with them. I will work on getting some stuff seriously ideated for our big meeting tomorrow :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-20T14:45:55Z] batzl015: Let us know how beyond bars goes though! Report back!

[2018-10-20T18:11:41Z] krieg087: I'm coming! Is there someone driving?

[2018-10-20T23:32:04Z] olso6229: What’s the situation with the WeCoLab tumblr? Is it good to go? I feel like we haven’t heard about it for a while now

[2018-10-20T23:32:18Z] olso6229: Also do we have everything for zine #2?

[2018-10-21T01:23:17Z] olso6229: We need to do something with MPWW, moon palace, and/or free black dirt for the artist talk or beyond in WAM

[2018-10-21T02:42:09Z] olso6229: Holy shit wow, the MPWW event broke my heart and made me laugh hysterically and everything inbetween

[2018-10-21T02:42:51Z] olso6229: We connected with Jen of MPWW and Erin + Janauda of Free Black Dirt

[2018-10-21T02:43:17Z] olso6229: Would love to get them involved somehow

[2018-10-21T13:25:56Z] olso6229: Just got off the phone with Janauda

[2018-10-21T13:27:31Z] olso6229: such an awesome woman

[2018-10-21T13:32:20Z] batzl015: :+1::skin-tone-2::+1::skin-tone-2: amazing lee

[2018-10-21T13:32:58Z] batzl015: Hope to hear more and see where this relationship takes us!

[2018-10-21T13:51:13Z] olso6229: Who all is meeting today?

[2018-10-21T16:15:02Z] watso595: I will be

[2018-10-21T16:15:30Z] batzl015: Me!

[2018-10-21T16:15:40Z] batzl015: What time are we doing?

[2018-10-21T16:21:27Z] mahla008: 5:00 is when most people can meet but we can start a little bit earlier

[2018-10-21T16:28:48Z] olso6229: I will meet earlier

[2018-10-21T16:29:04Z] olso6229: Notes from thursday are up on the google doc !

[2018-10-21T16:29:30Z] batzl015: I’ll be in there at 2ish

[2018-10-21T16:47:15Z] danks010: Please keep me posted how it's going. I'll try to put in some work on my end with some sketches/iterations/elaborating on ideas. Apologize I can't make it down.

[2018-10-21T19:00:46Z] mahla008: If you in rapson there's a mini meeting in the laser lab

[2018-10-21T19:01:10Z] batzl015: Maybe 3ish, I got bad sleep last night

[2018-10-21T19:01:34Z] batzl015: Bottom line, I’ll be there before 5

[2018-10-21T19:01:49Z] watso595: All good

[2018-10-21T22:38:17Z] mahla008: We all in the woodshop if your late to the meeting

[2018-10-22T03:44:42Z] watso595: Notes from today’s meeting are in the doc!

[2018-10-22T03:52:50Z] olso6229: Thank you

[2018-10-23T01:37:31Z] olso6229: We should reach out to Emily Hunt Turner

[2018-10-23T01:37:41Z] olso6229: She's the founder of the All Square institute + restaurant

[2018-10-23T01:37:50Z] olso6229: Weird energy in relation to all of us, she's trained as an architect

[2018-10-23T01:39:22Z] olso6229: But mainly practices in public policy as a civil rights attorney

[2018-10-23T02:01:51Z] olso6229:

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Prison Life in Scandinavia - Discover Scandinavia

https://www.dailyscandinavian.com/prison-life-in-scandinavia/

[2018-10-23T02:02:17Z] olso6229: >_Based on figures, it’s safe to assume Norway’s criminal justice system is doing something right. Few citizens there go to prison, and those who do usually go only once. So how does Scandinavia accomplish this feat? The countries rely on a concept called “restorative justice,” which aims to repair the harm caused by crime rather than punish people._

[2018-10-23T02:11:53Z] olso6229:

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Why Scandinavian Prisons Are Superior

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why-scandinavian-prisons-are-superior/279949/

[2018-10-23T02:12:24Z] olso6229: >_Cellblocks look like dorms at a state university. Though worse for wear, rooms feature flat-screen TVs, sound systems, and mini-refrigerators for the prisoners who can afford to rent them for prison-labor wages of 4.10 to 7.3 Euros per hour ($5.30 to $9.50). With electronic monitoring, prisoners are allowed to spend time with their families in Helsinki. Men here enjoy a screened barbecue pit, a gym, and a dining hall where prisoners and staff eat together. Prisoners throughout Scandinavia wear their own clothes._

[2018-10-23T02:20:57Z] olso6229: >_Each prisoner has a “contact officer” who monitors and helps advance progress toward return to the world outside—a practice introduced to help officers avoid the damage experienced by performing purely punitive functions: stress, hypertension, alcoholism, suicide, and other job-related hazards that today plague American corrections officers, who have an average life expectancy of 59._

[2018-10-23T02:23:28Z] olso6229: >_Throughout Scandinavia, criminal justice policy rarely enters political debate. Decisions about best practices are left to professionals in the field, who are often published criminologists and consult closely with academics._

[2018-10-23T02:36:02Z] renst011: Heyo everyone, newsletter #2 is in progress so if you haven't sent your individual assignments or documentations to me yet from the last 3-4(ish) weeks of class that you'd want to include, please do soon! Especially from gallery arrangements, responses to thoughts brought up in class, etc. Not everything will be able to make it into print but I want to make sure I have everyone's stuff. This won't include the physical conceptualization/buliding yet (besides Jocie's chair and maybe Evan's cart) but mostly the progress of thought and movement in prep for the spacial outcomes that are happening now. Feel free to shoot me any questions as well! Thank you!!

[2018-10-23T02:38:48Z] renst011: Also terrible at email response but if you have already, thank you thank you :—)

[2018-10-23T03:49:16Z] feria006: I agree

[2018-10-23T03:49:37Z] feria006: She has done a ton of work in our immediate community and would be interesting to talk to

[2018-10-23T17:34:11Z] mahla008: Is there a tape team ?

[2018-10-23T17:47:22Z] olso6229: Anyone who wants to join tomorrow afternoon, we’re going to Moon Palace Books around 2:30

[2018-10-23T17:53:56Z] olso6229: And maybe grab some food down the street at All Square? :sandwich::fries:

[2018-10-23T17:54:04Z] mahla008: Ooooooo

[2018-10-23T17:54:21Z] olso6229: Theyre both on Minnehaha ave

[2018-10-23T18:07:57Z] douga018: yes, its me Cole and Abe.

[2018-10-23T18:08:26Z] mahla008: Would it be cool if I join you guys?

[2018-10-23T18:56:59Z] douga018: yeah of course! We were planning on working on some research and doing sketches of possible tape layouts and then meeting to discuss later.

[2018-10-23T19:10:27Z] mahla008: sounds good I'll work on that as well!

[2018-10-23T19:35:15Z] danks010: Added the notes to the WeCoLab document. Let me know if I forgot anything, otherwise go ahead and add it directly. I covered everything from matt and boris suggestions/conversations to what Danne spoke about and our interest and concepts.

[2018-10-23T20:39:50Z] olso6229: Full circle, just realized Danny redacted his own book

[2018-10-23T20:40:24Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-23T20:41:17Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-23T20:49:19Z] mahla008: speaking of that i'm watching an interesting video on an art installation right now called the redaction project

[2018-10-23T20:49:21Z] mahla008:

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Anne de Marcken, The Redaction Project

https://vimeo.com/159719562

[2018-10-23T20:50:25Z] mahla008: It's really interesting how she talks about the many ways shes redacted this one book, but not only that but in way she thinks about the words and how they relate and what they mean next to each other

[2018-10-23T20:50:42Z] mahla008: its an interesting watch for those interested in redaction

[2018-10-23T20:57:45Z] mahla008: "Everything was still there, I just couldn't see it all. At some point the redaction itself became a compositional tool, I began to treat it almost like an element of grammar or an element of language, so the blacked out words themselves had as much significance as the words you could see. It was no longer just about concealing the things, its about revealing other things that had been obscured by syntax and narrative, by the conventions of language"

[2018-10-23T21:08:16Z] batzl015: Cooool

[2018-10-23T21:08:23Z] batzl015: I like that v much

[2018-10-23T21:34:08Z] danks010: Here's a brief description of libraries in prisons in Europe that me, Lee, and Cole found while doing research for a project regarding prison infrastructure.

[2018-10-23T21:41:52Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-23T23:11:54Z] kesse046:

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Why Beautiful Things Make us Happy – Beauty Explained

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5kNPlUV7w

[2018-10-23T23:12:27Z] kesse046: something to keep in mind when designing, these ideas can be applied to prisons, as well as our instillation

[2018-10-23T23:13:59Z] olson175: Now I am Happy. Is that beauty?

[2018-10-23T23:39:54Z] karle029: @home depot

[2018-10-23T23:44:15Z] schra470: Not bad on price!!

[2018-10-24T01:00:48Z] mahla008: And they got lil stands

[2018-10-24T01:13:47Z] schra470: AND they are LED so no problems with heat!

[2018-10-24T02:44:12Z] olso6229: Excited for people to see Moon Palace Books tomorrow :)

Experience the NY book art fair / neo-Scholastic books aesthetic first hand

[2018-10-24T02:44:38Z] danks010: :ok_hand:

[2018-10-24T02:44:59Z] danks010: More excited to stop at All Square...

[2018-10-24T02:45:42Z] schra470: I am taking a second car to Moon palace tomorrow, so more people can come! I have room for 4 people if you haven’t secured a ride yet!

[2018-10-24T03:01:53Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-24T03:02:00Z] olso6229: For tape group: photos from conversations on sleep. they had the lamp cords taped to the floor

[2018-10-24T03:14:31Z] mahla008: Ooo neat

[2018-10-24T03:23:51Z] mahla008:

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__a_ i_ I _old you a __ory in a language I _an _ear?

http://www.lizasylvestre.com/__a_-i_-i-_old-you-a-__ory-in-a-language-i-_an-_ear/

[2018-10-24T03:25:45Z] mahla008: I think this is the Artist Boris was talking about today, Liza Sylvestre. In context of audio and redacting. Currently listening to some of her redacted audio work

[2018-10-24T03:27:02Z] mahla008: Definitely give the video a watch, very interesting

[2018-10-24T03:28:56Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-24T03:29:19Z] mahla008: On her website there is even a photo of her at the Weisman

[2018-10-24T03:29:24Z] olso6229: WOW

[2018-10-24T03:29:39Z] kesse046: Target Gallery Episode II: Attack of the Outlets

[2018-10-24T03:29:54Z] olso6229: GOOD CATCH JAKOB !!

[2018-10-24T03:30:12Z] mahla008: Oh she was part of the sensory loss workshop that happened like 3 weeks ago

[2018-10-24T03:30:27Z] mahla008: theres dannys books in the background

[2018-10-24T03:31:02Z] olso6229: Still no one else here saw the photo as far as we know right now

[2018-10-24T03:35:07Z] mahla008: It's really interesting to hear the original story she tells in this video and next to the redacted version, there the same story just in different languages. One as we hear it and one redacted. Kinda similar to the redaction project i posted eariler how what isnt there is just important as what isn't.

[2018-10-24T03:36:50Z] olso6229: funny you sent the stuff about sensory loss / hearing because i was trying to find this just a few minutes before your messages

[2018-10-24T03:36:56Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-24T03:37:52Z] mahla008: wow

[2018-10-24T03:37:58Z] mahla008: thats cool

[2018-10-24T03:38:16Z] mahla008: I wonder if that applies in other ways of sensory loss

[2018-10-24T03:39:22Z] mahla008: Does someone who is deaf view the face in the same way as this paragraph says the way blindness makes you view a face through sound

[2018-10-24T03:40:59Z] olso6229: I wonder

[2018-10-24T03:41:59Z] olso6229: In my tutor/TA days I used to regularly help a guy who was legally blind, we had a machine he used to read assignments which basically just made things 10000x contrast and some zooming

[2018-10-24T03:42:26Z] mahla008: woah what does that look like

[2018-10-24T03:42:35Z] olso6229: If I remember right he had a portable kind of version of that, or it was setup in the classroom, so he could see high contrast silhouettes of the professor and stuff written on the board

[2018-10-24T03:44:08Z] olso6229: Around the same time I knew someone else who was legally deaf and I've seen on social media over the years he's made a lot of posts about his appreciation of film, he probably notices more microexpressions and good acting because of the loss of one sense

[2018-10-24T03:45:07Z] mahla008: wow

[2018-10-24T03:46:08Z] danks010: Thats super cool! Thanks for sharing! It's amazing to realize the ability our senses have, especially when one is lost...glad you followed up on Boris's suggestion Jakob. And thanks for sharing your insight Lee.

[2018-10-24T03:46:44Z] mahla008: Ive never really thought about books in terms of someone who is visually impaired or audio books to someone who is hearing imparied

[2018-10-24T03:47:17Z] olso6229: tactile

[2018-10-24T03:47:29Z] olso6229: what happens when we pay attention to the feel of the books in our hands

[2018-10-24T03:47:41Z] olso6229: does that change how think about presenting them

[2018-10-24T03:47:47Z] mahla008: thats interesting

[2018-10-24T03:48:02Z] mahla008: I don't know but its an interesting question

[2018-10-24T03:49:36Z] mahla008: Does anyone know if they make braille books?

[2018-10-24T03:50:03Z] mahla008: Well I know they do but from what I can see from like a quick amazon search not really that many

[2018-10-24T03:50:15Z] mahla008: Are braille books banned in prison?

[2018-10-24T03:53:55Z] olso6229: what if we made a braille zine

[2018-10-24T03:54:03Z] olso6229: braille manifesto

[2018-10-24T03:54:07Z] mahla008: that sounds hard but cool

[2018-10-24T03:55:49Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-24T03:56:14Z] mahla008: Confirmation the gift and how can I help are at stillwater

[2018-10-24T03:58:39Z] mahla008: I wonder what will happen to them next?

[2018-10-24T04:09:06Z] schra470: That’s so awesome! Gosh I’d love to see who’s hands those books could end up in if they were allowed into the prison library

[2018-10-24T04:14:02Z] mahla008: I hope we get to find out, they are supposed to send me a letter so maybe I will find out soonish

[2018-10-24T04:18:48Z] schra470: Great! Keep us posted :grin: thanks again you guys for doing this, what a cool way to get involved

[2018-10-24T12:25:24Z] batzl015: Super cool stuff Jakob, pretty wild to know Ram Dass is in the hands of the warden.

[2018-10-24T12:50:54Z] olson175: re your question about the deaf and sight, it's def the case that they "hear" some through "seeing" and lip reading requires a sorta expanded sense of reading the different layers of visual information!

[2018-10-24T16:24:11Z] santo204: Is anyone driving to Moon Palace books that I could possibly get a ride with?

[2018-10-24T16:31:12Z] olso6229: Talk to Haley, Sasha, and Kailee

[2018-10-24T16:33:06Z] schra470: what time works for you guys to head out? I can pick you up from wherever!

[2018-10-24T16:33:25Z] olso6229: For all the people going, Moon Palace has a generously sized parking lot FYI

[2018-10-24T16:33:39Z] olso6229: that group is the 4pm squad

[2018-10-24T16:34:08Z] olso6229: Including

[2018-10-24T16:34:21Z] olso6229: And

[2018-10-24T16:37:52Z] schra470: Sweet okay :+1::skin-tone-3: thank you!

[2018-10-24T17:21:40Z] santo204: I’m off work at 3 & can go be ready on campus

[2018-10-24T17:25:39Z] schra470: :+1::skin-tone-3: sounds like I’m picking up a crew from rapson at 4? If anyone wants in for sure, let me know by then!

[2018-10-24T18:10:05Z] santo204: Thank you! I’ll for sure be at Rapson by 4

[2018-10-24T20:10:43Z] watso595: could I get in on that?

[2018-10-24T20:12:06Z] schra470: Yes for sure!

[2018-10-24T20:15:29Z] watso595: Where are we meeting?

[2018-10-24T20:16:11Z] santo204: Let’s just meet in the studio

[2018-10-24T20:16:57Z] schra470: I’m actually at home right now so I’ll just pick you guys up in that new little turn-around thing between the Northrop parking garage and Rapson at 4! I drive a blue Hyundai Elantra

[2018-10-24T20:57:40Z] schra470: Waiting outside rapson!

[2018-10-24T21:11:21Z] mahla008: Got some good books at moon palace u guys might get here before we leave

[2018-10-24T21:16:38Z] olso6229: :crescent_moon::ocean:

[2018-10-24T22:09:57Z] karle029:

[2018-10-24T22:10:26Z] mahla008: Woah

[2018-10-24T22:12:48Z] mahla008: Go check out the Guantanamo diary second floor bargin shelf

[2018-10-24T22:14:45Z] schra470: Love it forward...with balloons

[2018-10-25T04:12:57Z] danks010:

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Handball Saved My Life: A Sport Behind Bars

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/yp7yyv/handball-saved-my-life-a-sport-behind-bars

[2018-10-25T04:13:20Z] danks010: Insane article about the power of handball in prison.

[2018-10-25T04:41:26Z] danks010: Possibly an overlap area for the tape group and the handball group? Thoughts?

[2018-10-25T16:39:13Z] fasbe023: ok everyone. disregard that first link, here is the link to the AndyG exercise

[2018-10-25T16:39:16Z] fasbe023:

[2018-10-25T17:34:12Z] feria006: Here’s an idea for a plan for a Handball Exposition. Covering each wall and the respective floor space with overlapping handball courts. I think maybe a video or using audio or noise music of different handball sounds coming out of the space.

[2018-10-25T19:48:43Z] olso6229: Oooooo i love the overlapping courts

[2018-10-25T19:49:57Z] olso6229: We’re chasing down light rentals. Sunbelt Rentals is a prime choice for us right now

[2018-10-25T20:34:50Z] olso6229: Filled it :slightly_smiling_face: thanks

[2018-10-25T20:35:19Z] olso6229: Quick update on lights for everyone:

[2018-10-25T20:36:41Z] olso6229: Sunbelt Rentals has 6 balloon lights ready to go, no minimum quantity for rental, fine to use indoor at the museum, no foreseeable problems with the outlets and power draw/breakers. Sunbelt’s warehouse/supply is off of 35E and Hennepin, about 5-10 min north of the U campus.

Colten is going to Menards and Home Depot this weekend to check out the light rental situation.

Parker is still waiting for campus facilities to get back to him.

We're also looking into Powermoon LED balloon lights.

Other ideas? Anything we missed? :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-25T20:37:24Z] olso6229: Powermoon lights can be set up / torn down in less than 5 minutes

[2018-10-25T20:39:06Z] olso6229: They also match Danny's comment about blue-grey enamel paint in prisons.

[2018-10-25T21:34:33Z] douga018: Here's the Handball Tape Layout that we ended on in class today.

[2018-10-26T02:52:31Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T02:52:40Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T02:52:46Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T02:52:52Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T02:53:09Z] mahla008: Redaction Groups - Black out poetry

[2018-10-26T02:53:33Z] mahla008: If you are interested and want to do some black out poetry attached is the word document

[2018-10-26T02:53:46Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T05:20:59Z] danks010: Really Powerful Poetry! Fascinated with each iteration from each person. Nice Work Redaction Group!

[2018-10-26T05:21:05Z] danks010: :+1::+1:

[2018-10-26T16:03:26Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-27T00:03:12Z] olso6229: Open invitation for a library visit next week to American Craft Council

[2018-10-27T00:04:04Z] mahla008: Memememe

[2018-10-27T00:10:36Z] olso6229: I have a photo of myself with some friends with this ROLU project from 2012. Also the executive director at american craft council used to be the Curator of Public Practice and Director of Education at the Walker Art Center. do you have any memories / stories about Sarah, either from this project, Fritz Haeg’s residency, or otherwise?

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Visiting Lecture: Sarah Schultz, Walker Art Center, Wide Open Public - The Contemporary Austin

https://www.thecontemporaryaustin.org/event/visiting-lecture-sarah-schultz-wide-open-public/

[2018-10-27T00:51:29Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-27T02:39:03Z] mahla008:

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The Vault

https://vault.fbi.gov/

[2018-10-27T02:39:14Z] mahla008:

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National Security Archive

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/

[2018-10-27T02:40:07Z] mahla008: For anyone interested in redacted documents, two websites with a database of governmental redacted documents ranging from alot of things. Mostly due to the freedom of information act

[2018-10-27T02:49:43Z] mahla008: Heres one example, they are just really neat to look at

[2018-10-27T02:55:39Z] mahla008: Last one -

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Projections — Jenny Holzer

http://projects.jennyholzer.com/projections

[2018-10-27T02:56:03Z] mahla008: Jenny Holzer does cool stuff with sign painting and redaction, with projects and scrolling text

[2018-10-27T02:57:46Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-27T02:58:19Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-27T03:00:04Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-27T03:00:38Z] olso6229: the quotes on the stone benches at the walker garden are her work, also check out her “truisms”

[2018-10-27T03:00:50Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-27T03:01:20Z] mahla008: I love her projection work, i never knew she did redaction stuff

[2018-10-27T03:02:21Z] mahla008: Oh yeah, i was litteraly just looking at the "truisms"

[2018-10-27T03:17:48Z] mahla008: At the UMN reuse center 30$

[2018-10-27T03:19:42Z] olso6229: We want something wayyyyy taller, like 9’

[2018-10-27T03:20:03Z] mahla008: phhf

[2018-10-27T03:20:15Z] mahla008: get an extender

[2018-10-27T03:21:02Z] mahla008: Like that babys gotta be at least 8'

[2018-10-27T03:34:15Z] mahla008: I'm still gonna go tomorrow at like noon and see what they got, anyone is welcome to join

[2018-10-27T09:39:06Z] olson175: I remember everything!

[2018-10-27T11:25:38Z] olson175: just sent an email. make sure you read as soon as you can. THX!

[2018-10-27T13:46:23Z] olso6229: WHEW, it’s GO time :stopwatch::woman_climbing:

[2018-10-27T13:48:01Z] olson175: "Plant Seeds with Care"

If we act constructively, happiness will ensue; if we act destructively, problems will result…We create the causes by our actions, and we experience their results.

—Ven. Thubten Chodron, from “What Is Karma?”

[2018-10-27T15:01:32Z] olso6229: Alright, what’s the weekend scoop? Where’s everyone at? :nerd_face:

What all is on our plate? Benches, shelves, lights, tape, balloons, performance, redaction, outreach, proposal document? Did I miss anything?

do we have ideas for tape color/material? what type of tape won't leave an adhesive residue? What effect will a matte or glossy tape have when it interacts with the lights? Can we borrow or rent from anyone, or is it easier to buy? Maybe the theatre dept. at Rarig will be kind to us? Either way, they probably have some interesting and unexpected advice for us. :slightly_smiling_face:

+ + Is there a way to incorporate redaction into the larger conversation of what we're doing? Does it become part of the Target Gallery space? A performance outside of or within in WAM? If you're interested in opening it up as a larger conversation, I can connect you with Jen of MPWW and/or Junauda of Free Black Dirt?

Can our redaction poetry become part of a zine issue or Tumblr?

+ + Anything new on the balloon front? Is there the potential to combine the redaction group's work and balloons? LOVE balloons? A balloon performance?

Can handball and balloons tie together? Any ideas with the tape group for a handball event in WAM? How do we get the word out on this? :slightly_smiling_face:

is going to Re-use today to possibly pick up test lights

is checking out Menards + Home Depot for light rentals

and I are checking with light rental companies.

is it better to hold off on the Goldsworthy performance until after the 14th?

and , can you coordinate with Kevin / Justin / whomever about time in the shops? I see on the calendar there are BDA (box problem+dimensional color), PDES, GDES, and furniture classes that will flood the shop soon. It looks like afternoons are a bad time for us?

+ + can we get some mockup bench/shelf masses made to test in WAM alongside lights? Something simple made from scrap material? I think it’ll be great to use those to inform lighting and tape placement. :slightly_smiling_face:

And for everyone, can we follow the mantra Danny learned from his sculpture professor and passed on to us, “How much can I take away from this before it becomes something else? Peel it away to the most powerful elements.” Danny asks if we can keep it open, graceful, and thoughtful? Place-making and experiential qualities are our tools.

How can we peel the layers of everything we're doing to their most authentic, powerful, and essential parts? Simplicity comes after complexity.

[2018-10-27T15:03:53Z] olson175: Holy shite! (Irish accent) Lee. Psyched. This is a team. Thanks!

[2018-10-27T15:07:22Z] olson175: I'm sorta obsessing about this image/idea? It feels punk... and maybe a little post-Habitability? So I love the aesthetics. It would be really easy to make a version of something based on this. It would be incredibly cheap. And thanks Lee for invoking what Danny said about reduction... because this is simple. Thoughts?

[2018-10-27T15:10:28Z] olson175: Benches made from 14" tall sliced Sonotubes... ready-mix bags... Simpson strong ties for piers to elevate off the footing... or maybe we could custom make some more formal ones like in this pic? Then some sort of matching bookshelves or book presentation objects on casters? (Didn't someone mention A-frames at some point? maybe?

[2018-10-27T15:10:59Z] batzl015: Moving with the complex->simple mantra seems to be the way

[2018-10-27T15:11:14Z] olson175: Maybe some redacted text prints on tubes?

[2018-10-27T15:11:24Z] batzl015: I think we’re getting there with what we were doing on Thursday but I think it still needs something else

[2018-10-27T15:12:26Z] olso6229: I totally get and love sonotube seating from a time/material/construction POV. Stay fluid, right? I feel it’s honest to Danny and the essence of his work/subject matter, and will evoke the feelings we’re going after. As a bonus: the clarity/strength of this + smaller budget + less shop time is a WIN+WIN+WIN between Boris, WAM, Gayla, the Rapson shops, and (of course) us

[2018-10-27T15:12:37Z] olson175: This wouldn't require the shop as much either

[2018-10-27T15:13:35Z] olso6229: What're you feeling, chief?

[2018-10-27T15:15:23Z] batzl015: I need to work it a little more. Would you be down to get together today to throw down? Maybe get a large group formed to go hard on design?

[2018-10-27T15:16:11Z] batzl015: I like a triple win option

[2018-10-27T15:16:45Z] batzl015: When can we all get together today or tomorrow? Does a when to meet work?

[2018-10-27T15:17:53Z] olso6229: Let's go chief

[2018-10-27T15:18:09Z] olso6229: Can you set up the W2M link?

[2018-10-27T15:20:12Z] olso6229: I can meet both today and tomorrow

[2018-10-27T15:23:33Z] schra470: I am very free!

[2018-10-27T15:25:40Z] boris: Hello people. Just noting it here that I do not monitor what happens on slack. If you need a response from me please send an email (or text if it's urgent)

[2018-10-27T15:26:09Z] olso6229: Thank you for the heads up, Boris :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-27T15:28:05Z] batzl015: Do y’all want to meet at some point around noon?

[2018-10-27T15:28:34Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-10-27T15:28:37Z] batzl015: Idk what we would do but there’s a lot to do, so we’ll figure it out

[2018-10-27T15:28:47Z] olso6229: Totally :+1:

[2018-10-27T15:29:06Z] batzl015: I’ll prob bring lunch/a snack if people wanna bring food for a throwdown

[2018-10-27T15:29:12Z] batzl015: Meet in studio?

[2018-10-27T15:30:04Z] olso6229: BDA it is chief

[2018-10-27T15:30:43Z] schra470: Yeah I’m in!

[2018-10-27T15:31:18Z] watso595: I’ll be in the laser lab so if you guys could fill me in or wanna meet down there that’d be cool

[2018-10-27T15:31:27Z] olso6229: can you make a meeting post with location+time back into the general chat? :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-27T15:32:03Z] batzl015: Sure! Would an email be helpful too?

[2018-10-27T15:32:15Z] olso6229: What number can we contact you at?

[2018-10-27T15:32:23Z] schra470: Definitely

[2018-10-27T15:35:07Z] batzl015: Hey, who can should come to the BDA studio at noon today to throw down on all parts of our project.

Urgency is high, but so is energy!

We will likely have to meet tomorrow as well, so keep posted if today is full for you.

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