#mhaegen

[westerosiladies]

Love no one but your children. On that front a mother has no choice.

[aegor-bamfsteel]

I find it weird that LF selling Jeyne Poole to brothel considering she is not even of age. He could have assign her as a maid or left her be. Her father has been dead and she is not from some great house to keep her for bargain. Her being sold to brothel at 12 for no reason is ridiculous. Was LF thinking he could have used her for future plot?

I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but not all of it.

First off, Baelish didn’t sell Jeyne to a brothel. He owns several brothels, and he basically kidnapped her (with Lannister knowledge) to be one of the girls/women in one of them. And we’re told only a few chapters earlier when Ned visits Barra's mother (called Mhaegen in the show) “The girl had been so young Ned had not dared to ask her age. No doubt she'd been a virgin; the better brothels could always find a virgin, if the purse was fat enough.” (AGOT Eddard IX). Basically girls barely flowered fetch higher prices at brothels, not lower, because a lot of the particularly awful men prefer extremely young girls (Baelish knows this and is one of them). There was no way Jeyne was going to be walking free after the entire Stark household was massacred; the Lannister men killed a defenseless septa, so they weren’t going to have someone pro-Stark to bear witness to what happened. If Jeyne wasn’t going to be sent to a brothel, she probably would’ve been quietly killed, because you’re right; to the Lannisters, she doesn’t matter due to her minor status. You’re right in that GRRM didn’t have to create this world where preteen girls are seen as most desirable, and we already know Baelish is evil, but that’s his misreading of the Middle Ages/ancient Roman view of children as not inherently innocent.

I don’t think LF was thinking of using her except to make a quick buck off selling her to johns, because I don’t think GRRM had thought of the Bolton fake wedding plot until ASOS (Ramsay isn’t mentioned until book 2). But the Boltons needed a young girl who knew Winterfell, and they had the other Winterfell women captive in the Dreadfort, so Jeyne seems like the best choice considering she was in the area Arya was last seen.

tl;dr I agree that sending a preteen girl to a brothel is disgusting, but I disagree in that it makes sense for Baelish (given GRRM’s worldbuilding) to do so

[lyannasnowplays]

Sims of Westeros: Chataya’s Brothel

[spooky-space-kook]

There is literally nothing more infuriating than living rural and reading a vegan recipe.

WE DON'T GET ANY OF THIS SHIT AT THE WALMART, MHAEGEN.

[mirdaniaa]

also fandom consistently ignores ros, shae, chataya, alayaya, daisy, mhaegen, and doreah when not flat-out hating them because y’all don’t support sex workers and this IS a hill i will die on

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As Ladies Die... No One Sings a Song About Them Part 1

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Lady Corenna Swann, Ser Stevron Frey's 1st wife, mother of Ser Ryman Frey, died from a waisting illness.

Lady Jeyne Lydden, Ser Stevron Frey's 2nd wife, mother of Aegon "Jinglebell" Frey and Lady Maegelle Frey, died in a fall from her horse.

Walder Rivers's mother, fell from her horse.

Lady Rowena Arryn, Lord Jon Arryn's cousin and his 2nd wife, died of a winter chill.

Lady Waynwood, daughter of Ser Elys Waynwood and Lady Alys Arryn, died of a pox.

Lady Waynwood, daughter of Ser Elys Waynwood and Lady Alys Arryn, died of a pox.

Prince Jaehaerys's Wet Nurse, behead on orders of King Aerys II in 274 AC.

King Aerys II's Mistress, tortured and executed in 274 AC.

Lady Melara Heatherspoon, one of Cersei's childhood companions, drowned in a well, murdered by Cersei Lannister in 276 AC, was only 11 years old.

Lady Serala of Myr, married to Lord Denys Darklyn, blamed for the Defience of Duskendale, burned alive by Aerys II in 277 AC.

Lady Darklyn, married to Ser Jon Holland, sister to Lord Denys Darklyn, executed in 277 AC on Aerys II's orders.

Lady Cassana Estermont, married to Lord Steffon Baratheon, shipwrecked & drowned in 278 AC.

Victarion Greyjoy's 2nd wife, stricken with a pox.

Victarion Greyjoy's 3rd wife, s salt wife, beaten to death by Victarion after Euron got her with child.

Serra of Lys, 2nd wife of Illyrio Mopatis, died in the Grey Plague outbreak in Pentos.

Lady Clegane, sister to Ser Gregor Clegane & Sandor Clegane, died under queer circumstances, aka Gregor murdered her.

Ser Gregor Clegane's 1st wife, murdered by Ser Gregor Clegane.

Ser Gregor Clegane's 2nd wife, murdered by Ser Gregor Clegane.

Urswyck's wife, killed by Urswyck.

Princess Rhaenys Targaryen, daughter of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen & Princess Elia Martell, murdered by Ser Amory Lorch in 283 AC.

Princess Elia Martell, murdered by Ser Gregor Clegane in 283 AC after he killed her son Prince Aegon.

Lady Bethany Ryswell, married to Lord Roose Bolton, died of a fever.

Obara Sand's mother, drank herself to death.

Elza or Ella, the old Weaver, died in 294 AC.

Bessa of Hag's Mire, murdered by Chett.

Mother of the Girl from Sherrer in the bloody dress, killed by the Mountain's Men in 298 AC.

Septa Mordane, killed with most of the Stark household in Kingslanding in 298 AC.

Hali, a spearwife, killed by Summer in 298 AC.

Mirri Maz Duur, burned on Khal Drogo's funeral pyre in 299 AC by Daenerys Targaryen.

Barra's mother, (called Mhaegen in Game of Thrones), killed by Allar Deem on the orders of Queen Cersei in 299 AC because she refused to stand aside while her baby was murdered.

Masha Heddle, owner of the Inn at the Crossroads, hanged by Lord Tywin in 298 AC.

Eroeh, a Lhazareen girl that Daenerys Targaryen saved, rapec and killed by Mago in the wake of Khal Drogo's death in 299 AC.

The One-Armed woman found by Yoren's group, died in 299 AC.

Doreah, handmaid to Daenerys Targaryen, died of fever in 299 AC in the Red Waste.

Girl who shared a soldier's bed for 3 nights running, died in 299 AC.

Young Mother with Pox Scarred Face, in 299 AC killed by the Tickler during questioning.

Young Mother's daughter, in 299 AC killed by the Tickler during questioning.

Mother of 3 year old boy, in 299 AC killed by Raff the Sweetling for screaming after her son was murdered in front of her.

The pretty girl who hit one of her rapists with a rock, Ser Gregor Clegane cut her head off in 299 AC.

The Woman who tried to be brave, in 299 AC killed by the Tickler during questioning.

The Mother of the Boy with the Crossbow at the Inn of the Kneeling Man, died at the hands of the Bloody Mummers.

The Woman of the Innkeeper of the Inn of the Kneeling Man, found dead.

Lady Donella Hornwood, possibly starved to death by Ramsay Snow in 299 AC.

Goodwife Harra, executed by Lord Roose Bolton after capturing Harrenhwl in 299 AC.

Lacey, who was raped till she died.

Lady Dacey Mormont, murdered in 299 AC at the Red Wedding, killed by Ser Ryman Frey.

Lady Catetlyn Tully, murdered at the Red Wedding in 299 AC.

Ygritte, takes an arrow in the attack on Castle Black, dies in 299 AC.

Shae, is strangled by Tyrion Lannister in 300 AC.

Lady Shella Whent, Lady of Harrenhal, reported dead in 300 AC.

Lady Tanda Stokeworth, Lady of Stokeworth Castle, died of a chill in 300 AC.

Lady Lysa Tully, Regent of the Vale, pushed by Littlefinger through the Moon Door in 300 AC.

Mother of one of the orphan girls at the Inn at the Crossroads, killed.

Grey Jeyne, hunted down by Ramsay Snow, given a "quick" death.

Red Jeyne, hunted down by Ramsay Snow, given a "quick" death.

Helicent, hunted down by Ramsay Snow, given a "quick" death.

Alison, hunted down by Ramsay Snow, given a "quick" death.

Maude, hunted down by Ramsay Snow, given a "quick" death.

Sara, hunted down by Ramsay Snow, given a "quick" death.

Willow, hunted down by Ramsay Snow, given a "quick" death.

Kyra, worked at the Smoking Log, hunted down by Ramsay Snow in 300 AC.

Jez, hunted down by Ramsay Snow, given a "quick" death.

Harma the Dogshead, killed in the battle with King Stannis Baratheon's army in 300 AC.

Mother of the boy who stabbed Varamyr, died in 300 AC.

Thistle, killed by the wights in 300 AC.

The Mother of the Boy in the grey tokar's, who was raped and murdered in 300 AC.

Hazzea, apparently burned to death by Drogon, died in 300 AC.

The Green Grace of Astapor, impaled upon a stake in the Plaza of Punishment in 300 AC.

Queen Whore, concubine of King Cleon II of Astapor, died fighting the Yunkai in 300 AC.

One of the Merling Queen's Mermaids, drowned in 300 AC.

Old Woman at the House of Black and White who died in 300 AC with a smile on her face.

Senelle, maid in service to Queen Cersei, given over to Qyburn for "spying" on Cersei, died in the Black Cell in 300 AC.

Lady Falyse Stokeworth, died in the black cells in 300 AC, experimented on by Qyburn.

Rylona Rhee the Harpist, they cut her fingers before the Sons of the Harpy killed her in 300 AC.

The Ugly Broken Girl, Arya's first face, asked for the gift of death at the House of Black and White.

[lyannasnow]

Sims of Westeros: Chataya’s Brothel

I was just working on some pics for my next SOW video and I just loved the images. Dancy is at the bar, Marei at the lute, Jayde and Alayaya playing cards and chilling at the bar, and a little look at Mhaegen with her daughter Bella. 

[lannistersmakequeenstoo]

If Myrcella had found out about Barra before she was killed, Myrcella would have befriended Mhaegen and insisted that she help raise Barra, so she doesn’t grow up to be forced to be a whore like her mother, and she would tell Mhaegen that she would make sure Robert knew about her and got to see her.

Basically, Myrcella would adopt Barra. I wonder what Cersei would do then? Kill Barra from her own daughter’s arms?

[aegor-bamfsteel]

Why do you think Tywin had Jaime lied to Tyrion about Tysha being a whore? I found the gangrape of Tysha being disgusting and unnecessary to the story. Since Tywin already had the marriage undone, Tywin could have thrown Tysha out of kingslanding and it could still had impacted Tyrion. Tywin will still look bad guy. Don't understand with forcing Tyrion to raped Tysha decision. I really hated grrm here.

Rape is a very sensitive subject, so I’m sticking my answer under a cut:

Jaime tells Tyrion why when he admits Tysha was a crofter’s daughter:

A girl, she was only a girl, no older than Sansa. "My wife," he croaked. "She wed me."

"For your gold, Father said. She was lowborn, you were a Lannister of Casterly Rock. All she wanted was the gold, which made her no different from a whore, so . . . so it would not be a lie, not truly, and . . . he said that you required a sharp lesson. That you would learn from it, and thank me later . . ." —ASOS Tyrion XI

I interpret this as Tywin not believing Tysha loved Tyrion for himself but rather because he was a great lord’s son and she could get money out of a relationship. Thus sleeping (among other things) with Tyrion for gold was the same as what Shae did, just without Tyrion being aware of the arrangement, according to Tywin’s idea. In addition, Tywin also thought that Tyrion needed to be taught a lesson about not to trust lowborn women who would—in his eyes—make a mockery of the Lannisters as their paramours; this seems to be what he felt Lord Tytos’ second mistress did, as he punished her by having her paraded naked for 2 weeks confessing to be “a thief and a whore” before being exiled. Yes, Tywin could’ve exiled Tysha from the Westerlands and be done with it, as some lords did with lowborn paramours, but that’s not in Tywin’s petty, cruel character. He wanted Tysha to suffer for being a peasant girl who dared to marry his son, and he wanted Tyrion to suffer for daring to love a peasant who obviously was just after his money and Lannister name; the “lesson” was that no woman would ever love him, but just his money. And while Tytos’ mistress was a public affair because she’d basically replaced his wife, nobody knew about Tysha, so any lesson would have to be private. Hence the gangrape by Lannister guards giving her a silver each, proving that Tysha was “nothing more” than a prostituted woman with the only value between her legs, ending with Tyrion forced to rape her and give her a gold coin because “he was a Lannister and worth more” to show Tyrion shamed House Lannister by marrying her.

I’m pretty sure that HBO agrees with you that the gangrape of Tysha was disgusting, because she’s not in the show. While people complained this muddles the Tyrion-Tywin relationship and why he latched onto Shae so fast, I disagree because there are enough reasons for Tyrion and Tywin to hate each other. Tyrion didn’t necessarily need to be told of the lie about Tysha to want to kill him; finding Shae, the lady who testified against him, in his bed could’ve been enough. We didn’t need another peasant woman—we already have Pia, Shae, Alayaya, Palla, Layna, Bessa of Hag’s Mire, Kyra, Lacey, Maerie, Mhaegen, both of the Miller’s wives, Pycelle’s serving girl, Senelle and the two puppeteers, Victarion’s salt wife—in the main series whose role in the story is to be beaten, tortured, raped, or murdered just to show how bad war is or that the lords don’t care about the smallfolk…or in this case, to further a conflict between two male characters while the smallfolk woman is a memory between them (and not even, if Tywin says he forgot who she was). Yes, Tyrion was a victim of Tywin’s abuse, and he needed a reason to kill him and to get mad at Jaime to not trust him anymore, but GRRM could’ve told that story without yet another weakly characterized peasant woman being unrealistically raped. Women in Refrigerators is never going to be a trope that sits right with me, and unlike Victarion’s third wife—which considering GRRM considers Vic a dumb brute, makes me think that she’s basically a parody of fridged women—Tysha is played disgustingly straight.

[sansalayned]

A Song of Ice and Fire + prostitutes (requested by anonymous)

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the mother of your baby child

the one to whom you gave life

[mirdaniaa]

honestly tho my first clue that d&d were not to be trusted was that they took a name that already has five hundred stupid spellings and made it stupider. mhaegen? really? you really took one of the most contested names out there and made it STUPIDER? shame. SHAME. 

[lyannasnow]

Sims of Westeros | Meet Chataya’s Brothel

Meet Chataya, Alayaya, Jayde, Marei, Dancy, Mhaegen, and Bella. You also get a look at the Hoe it up mod and Go to school Mod. Also I actually edited the video! 

[mirdaniaa]

remember when d&d made a character named Mhaegen

I'm still haunted to this day