#mechtagon

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Had a realisation. Does the size of the bakugan effect the size of the mechtagon...

If so... how small are any mechtagon generated by Seno?

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Is it really cheating if you accidentally summon the embodiment of your friendship with your adoptive dad?

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I was thinking up dialog between specific characters, and then it hit me that the initial summoning of a mechtagon (falling out of sync with your partnered bakugan, usually temporarily harming a friendship) must be mentally and emotionally taxing.

Any summoning afterwards is fine, because it doesn’t have the side effects of the initial summoning.

Imagine, though; being put through emotional and mental pain, because this creature decided you weren’t getting along well enough, so it forced you (without you knowing) to summon it, went on a rampage that you had to terminate a whole battle to save anyone at all...

And all you get out of it is a ban, because it’s seen as cheating.

Emotional and mental pain, and then salt on the wound. No wonder Dan ran off to Vestroia.

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“According to Genesis Dragonoid, Mechtogan are also born from desire to come together with others.” (source)

So basically, not only are these guys massive friendship-made murder robots, but you’re telling me that they’re also a massive sign that says that you wanna group up with people, and be surrounded by friends who all support each other?

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Sksnenwjwwkd Mechtagon being 'friendship robots' is simultaneously the best and worst thing in Anime ever.

The best kinda mechs are the ones that are made of friendship.

The worst kinda mechs are the ones that exist in shows not meant for mechs, or alternatively, all the mechs look humanoid.

Silent Strike should’ve been a mechanical bull. If Shun’s leaderboard climbing wasn’t akin to a raging bull, then I don’t know what it was akin to.

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I'm seriously wondering if the show writers just had a mech kink or something.

I think they did... I mean, bakugan was the show that introduced me to mechs, and immediately put me off of mecha anime/shows afterwards (seriously... did the mechs have to be humanoid?? I WANT TO SEE A BULL MECH BECAUSE THAT WOULD LOOK SUPER COOL!!)

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Imagine if bakugan was just a Kaiju anime with not card game. Only the balls being rolled out and OH WAIT-

Season 4 part 2 has you so covered it hurts to think about.

Also, speaking of Mechtanium Surge, lemme give you a lil aside; I wish, I wish so hard, that the first set of gamerules made a reappearance in the Interspace as a seperate game mode. You wanna play Movement ruleset, or Strategy ruleset? Choice is yours!

Too bad the Interspace only ever has the Movement ruleset.

(I'd love it more if there was therefore two leaderboards; one with Dan at the top, the other with Shun at the top. Y'know? Showing their particular strengths in battle; powerplay, and strategy respectively.)

(It'd be fun seeing oldschool brawlers returning for the strategy ruleset, even if two of the bakugan are clones generated by the Interspace for use. This would possibly be based on the first VG's selection of monsters, with the guardian bakugan in all attributes this time.)

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Mechtanium surge is my guilty pleasure. Even if it's not that bad. Mechtagon were really cool until they just became mindless beings. Like Zenthon??? So much potential for character. (He even had a voice actor i-) and the evil mechtagon????? Sure they were basic villains but atleast they had some personality.

My only gripe is that Wiseman should've been a masquerade type situation instead of being not Gunz. Like Gunz's character being controlled but at the same time we had the other Gunz(mechtavious) calling the shots. It would've made the scenes in the caves hit so different, atleast in my opinion.

My gripes with the mechtagon are more with their existence; Why does falling out of sync cause them to (initially) appear? The Mechtagon are embodiments of the bond between a brawler and bakugan, so why do they appear when you fall out of sync? I get they ramage because you're out of sync, but why show up if I'm out of sync with my guardian??

The mechtagon titans are a little worse to me, because they seem unneeded; just the mechtagons themselves would be fine, why have a titan?

Also the personalities going out the window; Duomechtra is shared between two brawlers, and would've been flipping between personalities. I'd love to have seen that happen.

Other gripes with Mechtanium Surge are to do with Dan during part 1 (was accusing him of cheating and refusing to listen to him seriously necessary? I get there were tensions, but its one of the most childish things to come from Shun, who is the wise one of the main trio. What--)

Wiseman is a... weird character. The idea of a character looking like another to deflect blame onto them is really interesting, but I would've given that curse to one of the main brawlers (given how Orbeum and Skytruss dislike humans but work fine begrudgingly with Shun, I'm gonna say it'd work super well against him. Or Dan, so Dan can have some rest for once), and also do that from the start.

I feel super bad for Gunz; he got blamed, then took it to heart, until he snapped out of it, and his relationship with the brawlers doesn't get less tense.

Wiseman being a mechtagon wasn't great, to me. Evil mechtagon who threatens to be let loose and create havoc for everyone, if their minions don't serve them? That suits the power mechtagon have much better, imo. If they don't serve their master, then they're first on the hitlist, even before their enemy.

Evil mechtagon twist villain (because you thought he was human) is much less terrifying, even if it's an impressive level of disguise. That's what Wiseman is.

But a bakugan of somesort (Core, trap, mechtagon) being a brawler in their own right? That's cool. I'd love that.

Also the reveal of the Current of Time, that's another gripe. I would've introduced the concept way earlier, maybe in BB, where one of the newly dying warns the brawlers about a terrible cyclone that can kill by sending you too far back or too far forwards in time. Also, given it's a current that is very obviously wind, I wonder if it's connected to the ventus attribute energy... hmm...

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You and your partner bakugan attempt to summon a mechtagon, but instead you summon this mechanical bull that roars sometimes, despite his name including "Silent".

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okay about Dimensions, hear me out: Pokemon logic. Juts cause you can only use a certain amount, doesn't mean you don't want to catch them all. In all seriousness, that does seem... not thought out, shall we say. xD Like, there is the whole attribute realtionship thing but shouldn't be a limit?? how would someone get a hold of more than like, 5 Bakugans?? Idk what's a normal number but more than six seems overkill imho.

Bag of Holding all of Vestroia to become god, I guess? Bakugan can't suffocate, they'll be fine in there.

6 seems pretty average to carry around; backups in case you get Masqueraded?

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Mechtagon are cuddly, there I said it.

Robot... cuddly?... Cuddly robot...

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Did you have a crush on any of the brawlers when you were younger? Did you watch he show when you were younger or did you get into it after it finished?

Had a huge crush on Gunz for like 3 years and I look back upon it fondly but also I'm noticing I have a type. Sooo-

Also for a mechtagon, wiseman acted very much like Gunz but edgy. Makes you wonder if there The big bad of s4's second arc might have been from Gunz's resentment towards the brawlers after his loss.

I’d be a great big liar if I said I didn’t have a crush on Shun when I small. Although! My first crush was Ace of all people, and that’s all you need to know about small me’s tastes. And my server is constantly informing me I have a type, of which is edgy boys, but I’d say they’re wrong--

I did watch bakugan when I was small! When I was minute! I watched it with my brother. Both of us have weirdly vividly good memories of the first watch around, amazingly.

God, I wish the big bad was his resentment- that’s not something you can brute force your way through; Dan would struggle for once, and it would probably highlight how much of his identity is based on bakugan, if he struggled enough to have Gunz forgive them. Even more so with Shun, who’s genuinely terrible with feelings, and Marucho who is booksmart and not streetsmart.

The only person who could feasibly be easily forgiven by Gunz would be Julie, out of the battle brawlers (I don’t think Runo’s exactly the most compassionate, if not the most hot headed.)

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Bakugan could have the most terrible plot in existence but I'd still cry ugly tears when it ends.

Also I blame the mechtagons for making me have an odd fascination with robots.

Now I just want a character in MS2 who’s fascinated with robots, almost morbidly when it comes to the mechtogan.

Preferably make the humans completely unreactive to it because it makes sense to them, but it scares Mechtavius way too much for him ever show up, because this human has informed him very loudly that they’d love to open him up to see how the mechanisms are connected and work together, and how that could help human inventions in the future.

Crisis averted- all we needed to do was terrify him enough!

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Okay but what if the og series continued on instead of battle planet.

After MS, I had little faith in the show(even if I love s4 to death despite its faults) it felt like it had no real direction because there was none. The ideas introduced were so intriguing and mysterious and the Roster of characters were so good and so terribly in need of development. Mechtanium surge needed time to fully develop their characters.

Would we get an entirely new story in the canon or would it be dan and company on a new adventure?

I personally wanted the old battle system to come back and it did, in bakutech, but I do realise that having a battle system like that made absolutely no sense given the high stakes and increased violence of later seasons.

Maybe the Vexos members would come with a thirst for vengeance?

Alice's story(as much as I liked her) was complete. She had accepted Masquerade as a part of her and had moved passed it to be a better and more mature person. So I feel like she wouldn't return.

The Vestals were interesting but we rarely saw anything about the actual vestal people outside of a few moments.

Gundalia and Neethia were at peace and okay.

Bakugan had wrapped up pretty nicely if I say so myself. Dan going off into the sunset made for an excellent way to actually tell us that the show we grew up with had ended.

What do you think?

Lemme tell you; I originally skipped MS. Entirely. This meant that I generally had no idea how MS2 ended.

I burst out laughing in disbelief when I heard about it ending like a cliche western. But no; that actually happened.

As a kid, watching amvs in the early 2010s, and coming across the mechtagon that way, was like a punch in the face. They'd added mechs. Personally speaking, I super don't like mechs (or mecha anime by proxy but that's unimportant), so I was basically set to not return to watching the series.

Mechtanium Surge appearing as two seasons in a trench coat didn't help it; two seasons of 52 episodes had to be cut down to 26 or so episodes each to even fill a single season. That'll cripple any character development for characters only meant to be around for a season; it's probably why we had the fun of only figuring out Robin's name in the jp dub was Robin through reference sheets. The jp dub never mentioned him by name.

MS should've been a full version of part 1. Part 2 should've been a different season entirely.

Even better? Have Gundalian Invaders (and MS) take place later. There's 4 or so games worth, by that point, of story that goes completely unused for the anime.

Leonidas? The Regulars? The Hurranians? Oh, and don't get me started on Abyss- the Earth's core? Is she not important enough, despite being equivalent to the perfect core?

This may be me liking to occassionally torture characters while I'm writing coming through, but I feel like Drago should've gotten his comeuppence for absorbing so much power; Naga exploded when trying to become the perfect core. I'm aware Drago is much more built to handle the perfect core (he has an attribute for starters), but shouldn't the constant energy absorption every year or so have him eventually explode?

Bakugan don't (and shouldn't, because Drago has plot armour here) have infinite power; give them more than they can handle and they explode. Drago absorbed the perfect core, all attribute energies (apparently? When the BT system exploded? That definitely wouldn't have consequences /s), the element, the gate and key thing, Dharak's half of the gate and key, and the power of friendship (by the way the fight against Mechtavius goes, only.)

That's 10 different powers, 11 if you separate the perfect core into it's parts (not counting PoF here.) That's a recipe for disaster.

If there was ever a way to demonstrate why biting off more than you can chew was a bad idea, then having Drago explode over his 10 different external powers would definitely be it.

And they're free once he's exploded, too; these things wander. The Battle Brawlers would technically have a self made mess on their hands.

Fixing the mess they caused, because why is everyone relying on a space faring baby civilisation to solve their problems and ultimately take this massive source of energy for their help, which, I'm going to be honest?

They didn't deserve those powers (I'm aware the Element was given to Drago, so Neo's capture was no longer such an obstacle, and also Neo had no better options.)

I know it's cruel to kill a fan favourite, but it has a lot of story potential. A lot of potential. We'd get to see what Dan would go with in Drago's stead, for one. It also gets the brawlers to revisit older season's planets so they can get the wandering powers back, and this time give them to different bakugan (Ingram is gonna have words about being given his attribute energy back, I feel?)

TlDr: we're extending it by extending MS to two seasons, and making Drago into a piñata, that's above the slipperiest floor, and we're trying to grab the wrapped up chocolates from inside before the dog eats them.

In otherwords we're exploding him to create chaos that we can fix, with alien planet visiting involved. Also perfect excuse for Alice to return.

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Do you have any general headcanons for the Nekomata AU? I would love to hear them! :D

Ah yes, tiny fluffy dumbass time.

Shun’s family is a long line of bakeneko/nekomata/maneki neko. If you’re a Kazami, there’s a 100% chance that one of your parents is a supernatural cat.

Shun is completely thought of as either the cat or the human, and not both, unless you’re a bakugan.

Every bakugan knows Shun is a cat and a human, but absolutely none of them will mention it to anyone. The only bakugan that don’t know are either Naga made, from Neathia and Gundalia or is a Nonet.

As a result, any bakugan that doesn’t like humans likes Shun a lot more than they would’ve otherwise; useful when it comes to Skytruss and Orbeum.

Masquerade finds the fact that cat Shun can use bakugan really impressive.

The Resistance knows Human Shun and Cat Shun share Ingram between them, but never realise the two Shuns are the same being.

Do not roll a bakugan past Shun; he will swat at them. Every bakugan he’s ever owned know to not do this, even Shadow Wing and Clone Hawktor know it’s a bad idea.

Shun pretends to be on good terms with the Vexos when cat shaped, but dropped it when they decided killing the bakugan was a great idea. Lync’s first battle with Aluze as his partner had a very angry cat involved.

Shun was able to sneak around Beta as a cat because no one realised he was the Resistance’s cat.

In terms of games; first game protag knows something’s up with Shun, and only figures out what’s up because Shun’s human disguise glitches in the half doom, half earth arena. He says nothing, but after storymode is completed, you can challenge Cat Shun in the park.

DOTC Shun in the nekomata au is human the whole time, but on the England and USA exploration maps, he’ll show up as a cat. He gives you a vexos pass if you interact with him, but may also give you a vexos bakugan early on certain maps in certain areas of the map. If you try to throw a bakugan during interaction, your character pets him. If you try to activate your goggles during interaction, you can show him your most recently used bakugan. He’ll purr-meow if you show him Ingram.

He takes on his human form for most of GI. He had to run around the gundalian controlled interspace in cat form as to not get caught.

Kazarina once tried to mind control him. It didn’t work, but he did pretend it did by giving himself cat eyes.

Mechtanium Surge? Thief!! Cat Shun is used more often, usually to eavesdrop on Team Anubias and Team Sellon under the guise of being cute, but he will just... Grab one of their bakugan in his mouth and run off for the fun of it. He’ll be human shaped any other time. He reverted to cat shape for a few seconds when he summoned a mechtagon for the first time. Seemingly though, everyone forgot...

Because he could, and it makes hitting him hard, he fought in cat shape during The Prodigal Bakugan when he was left without a bakugan to fight alongside.

Dan is insistent that Shun adopted the cat, but everyone is pretty sure Dan adopted him in spirit.

Shun would adopt BBP Shun, cat or not.

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I genuinely want to know what happened to the budget that they had after season 1. Like Bakugan was REALLY popular and made a lot of money.

Why couldn't some of it be put into the anime??? Promotion in Japan???? Seasons longer than 52 episodes????? The show actually looking like a modern day anime?(okay yes 2006 was a while ago,but GI has no excuse for how low quality it was)

Im am in no way an expert on animation but I really like MS's animation. But it was still dull and bland colour wise. Take yugioh zexal, for example, the show Is bright and colourful(and realesed around the same time as GI.)

But I also have some positives ofcourse, the 3d animation was very good to be fair(Dryoid hit different)

The bakugan were really expressive in every season past 1, in ball form. Remember that really bad drago? I do.

Also, I really want a dub of Bakutech but the likeness of that happening is next to nothing.

In conclusion, thank god for the reboot actually being C R I S P, and doing something with its budget.

Ok. I’m no expert on this, and I know nothing about Nelvana, especially about what they did with the series before it was rebooted, but, if I had to guess...

The budget was probably spent on the anime after season 1. The bakugan had CGI models and were no longer drawn as blobs, and the other characters, especially Shun, had consistent designs (I’d like for everyone to look the boy up and see his reference sheet; his hairstyle was never consistent, except for in the VG, where he had a model.)

This is a personal thing, but I vastly prefer the legacy art style to the reboot art style. I also vastly prefer organic beings with flesh and keratin feathers, to organic beings that look like robots.

The aesthetics in the reboot aren’t great. They look... how to put it... it doesn’t have much bite? It appears like it’s supposed to look cute and cool at the same time, and misses both marks, to me. They look squishy; kind of like a melted chocolate bar?

I’m whole heartedly ignoring the whole Shun debacle. That could’ve been solved by not calling him Shun Kazami, or having a different character who actually emulated legacy Shun, but eh... I like both versions of the boy, I just wish that they weren’t the same character in name.

I think the quality in Legacy came down to Dan’s plot armour, and power scaling. Drago especially threw a wrench into that, and then there was Farbros’ 4600gs. Power scaling really stung the series, even if most bakugan literally explode if they exceed 1000gs by too much. Naga. We saw Naga explode because he got too powerful for himself to handle.

(I don’t know what the specific number would be/is? Whatever, if a bakugan is too powerful, its body literally explodes because it can’t hold the power it has efficiently enough. It’s the only defence the series internally had against power scaling, that is until we get into lore mechanics that override that defence, like the mechtagon, and “ultimate” bakugan in general. Not to forget the Descendants; Dharak and Dragonoid. They can infinitely evolve because they’re descended from Eve’s first bakuga-- ugh... it’s messy and was unnecessary.)

While the stories of neither are nothing to write home about (none of us like to see MS as canon, and for good reason), I find Legacy to be better.

Speaking of BakuTech and dubs/adaptions... I’m surprised that there were no attempts to make an anime adaption/special based on the VGs, especially given that the first VG was actually written by the show writers.

Or, and while I’d prefer not to mention it, but it was only ever in manga form, The Evo Tournament. I’ve heard it’s a little fanfictiony (obviously; it wasn’t written by the show writers? I believe the “fanfictiony” comment was to do with fanfic that was written when Legacy was still going. Wattpad is a goldmine for this, if anyone is curious about the quality bar for Legacy contemporary fanfics.)

The main point of contention for the Evo Tournament is characters being out of character (mostly in lieu of Shun), and the protagonist, Katie Lowery, being Y/N-like. She’s childhood friends with Shun, if that tells you anything (if it does, then it should tell you that all the battle brawlers are Y/Ns! They’re all childhood friends with him!)

Bringing this back to the question. While the reboot is doing damn good for the TCG, the anime is not great, to me at least, even if it’s doing things with the budget. Doing things with the budget doesn’t always equal quality, even if it usually does.